Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Visser19 on March 29, 2010, 01:27:33 AM
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I forget which book this is, but it's the one where Jake wakes up as an adult in a world where yeerks have taken over. My question is, how did he get there? And how does he get back to his own timeline? It doesn't seem to be the workings of Crayak or the Ellimist, rather some other all powerful being. In all caps there is something that says INTERESTING REACTION. WE WILL CONTINUE THIS STUDY. Or something to that effect. But what in the world was that?
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We'll never know. Word of god says it was NOT the One.
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Maybe it was... ^-^
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It must have been Q. That's something he'd do, right? Either that, or Jake's on something very strong...
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Maybe it was... ^-^
KA said it wasn't, and we have no evidence that it was, so it wasn't the One. But if you write a fanfic where it is the One, I don't think many people will flame you for it.
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Maybe it was... ^-^
KA said it wasn't, and we have no evidence that it was, so it wasn't the One. But if you write a fanfic where it is the One, I don't think many people will flame you for it.
When/where'd she say that? I'm not doubting it (I didn't think it was him anyway XD) but I want to know what I missed.
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coincidentally, i'm reading that book as we speak.
i have no answers for you. looks like another job by katmike to create a potential plot-twister for later... that never panned out.
thank goodness. how many ultimate beings does one series need? D: i call it a fluke.
you know, in my own way, i see this as being some weird skrit na experiment; little green men kidnapping jake and inducing some weird alternate universe scenario-dream... clearly, this isn't. but it amuses me to think it might be. ;)
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It must have been Q. That's something he'd do, right? Either that, or Jake's on something very strong...
Yeah, drugs, that the answer to everything! Marco probably slipped some acid into Jake's dinner just to be funny.
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Maybe it was... ^-^
KA said it wasn't, and we have no evidence that it was, so it wasn't the One. But if you write a fanfic where it is the One, I don't think many people will flame you for it.
When/where'd she say that? I'm not doubting it (I didn't think it was him anyway XD) but I want to know what I missed.
She didn't specifically say that the One wasn't the voice in the Familiar. What she did say was that the One was a completely new character, and was not part of the backstory.
Link (http://animorphsfanforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2062&sid=1355fcd9d1da98fde2b12b8df45beebe&start=10#p94014).
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Ok, yeah that's what she said. i kind of wish it was the Skrit na. They don't even make an appearance in the main books, do they?
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i didn't think so. D: just in various references.
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XD I had never even thought of it being the Skrit Na.
To tell you the truth, in my head the voice was pretty much God. A voice both male and female commenting on the nature of Jake's moral choice that induces a scenario where he'd have to make one? It just seemed like the kind of thing the guy would do to test Jake's mettle as a leader. But this is coming from a person who thinks of there being a God. : )
I loved that book, if only because I love even twisted acid trip dream dystopias. It sounded a lot like any number of dreams I've had in the past actually, except more detailed. XD
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haha, well.... i figure that an omniscient god wouldn't test jake looking for a reaction; he'd already know what it would be. ^^ so...
that, AND katmike tend to stay away from most religious references... i mean, for all that strict atheists/confused agnostics aren't all THAT common, the animorphs were. O___o
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Good point, although I figure it'd be a test for Jake and less an experiment the creature didn't know the outcome of. But then again it did say "Interesting choice," which brings the omniscience of interdimensional beings into question anyway. Ohhh Katmike, you create such conundrums with your unanswered questions! XD
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no lie. ANSWER MY QUESTIONS, DARN YOU!
...it's an excuse for laziness. ;) ;) has to be. no more of this "oh, we want the readers to think..."! i mean, who does that anymore? haha.
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It might be some being more powerful than the one or Ellimist who's observing the game that is taking place between the two. :huh:
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D:
....katmike! the culprit!
KAA must have been the one speaking, there. torturing jake must be some sort of pastime for her.
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awww poor tortured jake :( makes you just want to give him a big hug
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haha, well.... i figure that an omniscient god wouldn't test jake looking for a reaction; he'd already know what it would be. ^^ so...
that, AND katmike tend to stay away from most religious references... i mean, for all that strict atheists/confused agnostics aren't all THAT common, the animorphs were. O___o
I'm confused... are you saying that the Animorphs were atheist?
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naw, i'm suggesting that the books make it appear as though the animorphs were, at most, confused agnostic... if NOT, atheist. no one had anything religious to say except "god... IF there is one..." or something to that effect. and then, that's a rare thing in the series.
if you ARE religious, it tends to come out when you're under a ton of stress.
plus, katmike have a very strict "don't commit to any sort of theological answer ever" policy in this series. they wouldn't have made any of the characters religious.
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That's a good point. Draw a connection to the only religious person I can think of from an applegate/grant book--April from Everworld. Lots of stress, it comes up. ('Course, considering the topic/setting of Everworld versus the topic/setting of Animorphs, it's somewhat more applicable. :P)
But yeah. I agree with itw. From what you can gather from the series, there's stronger evidence for the Animorphs being at least agnostic than there is for them being connected to any sort of relgious/spiritual beliefs.
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no easter egg rolls for them. D:
speaking of which, i need someone to let me adopt his/her child for a day. so i can go to the white house easter egg roll! xDD (i promise i will return it in nearly the same condition it was in when i got it.)
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Simple answer: the Observers.
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it was all just a dream. with all the dealings jake has had with crayak and elimmist its entirely likely he would dream up a voice saying something like that at the end of a dream.
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Simple answer: the Observers.
Are you talking about Fringe?
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Simple answer: the Observers.
Are you talking about Fringe?
No. No I am not.
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it was all just a dream. with all the dealings jake has had with crayak and elimmist its entirely likely he would dream up a voice saying something like that at the end of a dream.
Quiote possible, but if it was it's not something KA would ever admit to, as "it was all a dream" endings suck, which is why I choose to believe this isn't the case (even though it does seem like the most likely scenario).
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I always thought it was Crayak. It's not really his MO but I just always thought that, logically, Crayak was the most applicable omniscient being. I pretend it's him acting differently so that Jake doesn't know it's him. And considering the book's placement towards the end of the series you could even argue that it is Crayak trying to stress Jake out and make him doubt himself and fall apart in the most tense phase of the invasion.
I dunno, I completely understand the arguments against it being Crayak but that's just what I always thought rather than leaving it to a 'We'll never know I guess...'
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it was all just a dream. with all the dealings jake has had with crayak and elimmist its entirely likely he would dream up a voice saying something like that at the end of a dream.
Quiote possible, but if it was it's not something KA would ever admit to, as "it was all a dream" endings suck, which is why I choose to believe this isn't the case (even though it does seem like the most likely scenario).
See, I would disagree with that, if only in this one example. Most "it was all a dream" endings DO suck, yes. But in this one case, it actually /works/. You can see it coming, for one thing, because reality is not making sense (even less so than usual in Animorphs, in any case). Thus, you begin to suspect it's a dream from the start and so it doesn't feel like just an author's cop-out.
And it still is a very strong statement about Jake's character and state of mind at that point in the series, even if it is a dream (heck, perhaps especially so). His conversation with Tobias/Elfangor can be seen as an argument with himself, for example ("We can fight a war without sacrifice"/"You know better than that").
I think the whole book (including the voice that Jake heard) could have been a dream sequence and still be an intensely wonderful and meaningful book.
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But yeah. I agree with itw. From what you can gather from the series, there's stronger evidence for the Animorphs being at least agnostic than there is for them being connected to any sort of relgious/spiritual beliefs.
Although, Eva (Marco's mom) does admit that she believes in higher powers in Visser, and that they've helped her son survive and fight back.
I actually loved #41, even if it was a dream sequence that had its share of dream sequence plot hiccups. It was a dream, or a vision, after all, so I can forgive the fact that Rachel hadn't morphed away her injuries, or the weirdness of the Yeerks' super long numbers, or Cassie being a terrorist Controller. I actually really liked the last point.
I'd vote for someone above both the Ellimist and Crayak, and leave it as a mystery. Unless it really was KA ;D
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Eva's Christian; in #5 Marco mentions that she sang in the church choir. Cassie was also probably raised Christian, as her parents joke about taking her to see 'Father Banion' about her improper feelings for Jake in #14.