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Re: What was that?
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2010, 03:24:18 PM »
It might be some being more powerful than the one or Ellimist who's observing the game that is taking place between the two.  :huh:
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Re: What was that?
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2010, 03:55:58 PM »
D:

....katmike! the culprit!

KAA must have been the one speaking, there. torturing jake must be some sort of pastime for her.
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Re: What was that?
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2010, 03:59:50 PM »
awww poor tortured jake :(  makes you just want to give him a big hug

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Re: What was that?
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2010, 07:15:31 PM »
haha, well.... i figure that an omniscient god wouldn't test jake looking for a reaction; he'd already know what it would be. ^^ so...

that, AND katmike tend to stay away from most religious references... i mean, for all that strict atheists/confused agnostics aren't all THAT common, the animorphs were. O___o

I'm confused... are you saying that the Animorphs were atheist?

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Re: What was that?
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2010, 07:33:30 AM »
naw, i'm suggesting that the books make it appear as though the animorphs were, at most, confused agnostic... if NOT, atheist. no one had anything religious to say except "god... IF there is one..." or something to that effect. and then, that's a rare thing in the series.

if you ARE religious, it tends to come out when you're under a ton of stress.

plus, katmike have a very strict "don't commit to any sort of theological answer ever" policy in this series. they wouldn't have made any of the characters religious.
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Re: What was that?
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2010, 08:33:42 AM »
That's a good point. Draw a connection to the only religious person I can think of from an applegate/grant book--April from Everworld. Lots of stress, it comes up. ('Course, considering the topic/setting of Everworld versus the topic/setting of Animorphs, it's somewhat more applicable. :P)

But yeah. I agree with itw. From what you can gather from the series, there's stronger evidence for the Animorphs being at least agnostic than there is for them being connected to any sort of relgious/spiritual beliefs.

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Re: What was that?
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2010, 08:53:27 AM »
no easter egg rolls for them. D:

speaking of which, i need someone to let me adopt his/her child for a day. so i can go to the white house easter egg roll! xDD (i promise i will return it in nearly the same condition it was in when i got it.)
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Re: What was that?
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2011, 10:38:37 PM »
     Simple answer: the Observers.
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Re: What was that?
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2011, 02:45:21 PM »
it was all just a dream.  with all the dealings jake has had with crayak and elimmist its entirely likely he would dream up a voice saying something like that at the end of a dream.

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Re: What was that?
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2011, 11:22:58 AM »
     Simple answer: the Observers.
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Re: What was that?
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2011, 12:36:04 PM »
     Simple answer: the Observers.
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Re: What was that?
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2011, 03:42:10 PM »
it was all just a dream.  with all the dealings jake has had with crayak and elimmist its entirely likely he would dream up a voice saying something like that at the end of a dream.

Quiote possible, but if it was it's not something KA would ever admit to, as "it was all a dream" endings suck, which is why I choose to believe this isn't the case (even though it does seem like the most likely scenario).
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Re: What was that?
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2011, 07:48:50 PM »
I always thought it was Crayak. It's not really his MO but I just always thought that, logically, Crayak was the most applicable omniscient being. I pretend it's him acting differently so that Jake doesn't know it's him. And considering the book's placement towards the end of the series you could even argue that it is Crayak trying to stress Jake out and make him doubt himself and fall apart in the most tense phase of the invasion.

I dunno, I completely understand the arguments against it being Crayak but that's just what I always thought rather than leaving it to a 'We'll never know I guess...'

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Re: What was that?
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2011, 08:30:08 PM »
it was all just a dream.  with all the dealings jake has had with crayak and elimmist its entirely likely he would dream up a voice saying something like that at the end of a dream.

Quiote possible, but if it was it's not something KA would ever admit to, as "it was all a dream" endings suck, which is why I choose to believe this isn't the case (even though it does seem like the most likely scenario).

See, I would disagree with that, if only in this one example.  Most "it was all a dream" endings DO suck, yes.  But in this one case, it actually /works/.  You can see it coming, for one thing, because reality is not making sense (even less so than usual in Animorphs, in any case).  Thus, you begin to suspect it's a dream from the start and so it doesn't feel like just an author's cop-out.

And it still is a very strong statement about Jake's character and state of mind at that point in the series, even if it is a dream (heck, perhaps especially so).  His conversation with Tobias/Elfangor can be seen as an argument with himself, for example ("We can fight a war without sacrifice"/"You know better than that").

I think the whole book (including the voice that Jake heard) could have been a dream sequence and still be an intensely wonderful and meaningful book.

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Re: What was that?
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2011, 10:50:58 PM »
But yeah. I agree with itw. From what you can gather from the series, there's stronger evidence for the Animorphs being at least agnostic than there is for them being connected to any sort of relgious/spiritual beliefs.

Although, Eva (Marco's mom) does admit that she believes in higher powers in Visser, and that they've helped her son survive and fight back.

I actually loved #41, even if it was a dream sequence that had its share of dream sequence plot hiccups.  It was a dream, or a vision, after all, so I can forgive the fact that Rachel hadn't morphed away her injuries, or the weirdness of the Yeerks' super long numbers, or Cassie being a terrorist Controller.  I actually really liked the last point. 

I'd vote for someone above both the Ellimist and Crayak, and leave it as a mystery.  Unless it really was KA ;D


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