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Title: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Unknown User on March 04, 2010, 01:21:40 PM
In last book Ax becomes a part of a creature called The One, I have noticed that this creature bears a striking resemblance to Father (the seasponge in The Elemist). Is The one nothing but a space-faring version of Father or is there something more to him, it, they? I know that we were given extremely little information about The One, but what are your conjectures?

Personally, I think that The One is the entity that threw Cryak from his home galaxy.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Chad32 on March 04, 2010, 05:39:38 PM
There is nothing to spoil about The One, as we really know nothing about it. yes it seems similar to Father, and could be like a more advanced version of it. It could be what kicked Crayak out of the other galaxy. it's all up to fanfiction.

The thing is, The One is described as a terribly evil force. Like all the evil of the galaxy combined or something. But Father wasn't really evil. He was just a sponge that absorbed entities, and its sentience came from the minds of other creatures. It had no real mind of its own, so father can't be considered evil.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: VisserZer0 on March 04, 2010, 07:54:35 PM
I think the whole The-One-threw-Crayak-out-of-galaxy thing has been discussed before. I've kinda stuck with that idea.

@Chad28: But, couldn't it also be, since The One absorbs sentient life, that it's intelligence also partly comes from other beings? Maybe it didn't start out evil but the minds of everything it assimilated caused it to go insane with power?
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Shock on March 04, 2010, 11:20:22 PM
we know nothing about it other than it takes new species and absorbs them in some way.

other than that, one guess is the same as the other.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Chad32 on March 05, 2010, 08:02:59 AM
Its conscience could have been molded by the minds it took. I guess it depends on what the first race it took was like.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: MoppingBear on March 05, 2010, 04:46:03 PM
im partial to a fanfic explanation i read that said the one was created by crayak.  it sorta makes sense for it to be a creation, or a tool in the sense the yeerks are.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: VisserZer0 on March 05, 2010, 06:57:36 PM
Ooooh! Pick me! Pick me! Crayak creates The One, thinking it will give him an edge the Ellimist knows nothing about BUT The One grows strong from absorbing other races. Too strong. So The One kicks Crayak out of the galaxy and sort of "becomes his own man." That would be an interesting fic from Crayak's point of view...
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Gafrash on March 05, 2010, 10:10:05 PM
Ooooh! Pick me! Pick me! Crayak creates The One, thinking it will give him an edge the Ellimist knows nothing about BUT The One grows strong from absorbing other races. Too strong. So The One kicks Crayak out of the galaxy and sort of "becomes his own man." That would be an interesting fic from Crayak's point of view...
I like this concept, having a creation from the ultimate evil biting himself on the back and the good guys coming across it and having to clean it up.
If 'The One' isn't Cryak himself, can anyone hypothesize how it seemed to know Jake?
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: MoppingBear on March 06, 2010, 12:50:35 AM
Ooooh! Pick me! Pick me! Crayak creates The One, thinking it will give him an edge the Ellimist knows nothing about BUT The One grows strong from absorbing other races. Too strong. So The One kicks Crayak out of the galaxy and sort of "becomes his own man." That would be an interesting fic from Crayak's point of view...
I like this concept, having a creation from the ultimate evil biting himself on the back and the good guys coming across it and having to clean it up.
If 'The One' isn't Cryak himself, can anyone hypothesize how it seemed to know Jake?

it was the being that caused jakes future halucination in that one book.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Cloudbreaker on March 06, 2010, 04:05:45 AM
Ooooh! Pick me! Pick me! Crayak creates The One, thinking it will give him an edge the Ellimist knows nothing about BUT The One grows strong from absorbing other races. Too strong. So The One kicks Crayak out of the galaxy and sort of "becomes his own man." That would be an interesting fic from Crayak's point of view...
I like this concept, having a creation from the ultimate evil biting himself on the back and the good guys coming across it and having to clean it up.
If 'The One' isn't Cryak himself, can anyone hypothesize how it seemed to know Jake?

it was the being that caused jakes future halucination in that one book.
Or it had Ax's memories.  And Ax knew Jake...
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Gafrash on March 06, 2010, 07:20:14 AM
I'll take the latter.
Think those aliens in The Familiar were a bit more ambiguous than this One-entity-creature lets one. I think it's more probable to think of it along the lines of The Cryak or one of his creations.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: VisserZer0 on March 06, 2010, 11:27:25 AM
One of his creations? The only ones we actually know about are the Howlers as far as I remember and they're gone (although I wonder why Crayak can't just start again on them from scratch).
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Gafrash on March 06, 2010, 09:07:27 PM
You are forgetting The Drode, mate...
It's just for a creature to be that evil and that powerful living in the Animorphs Universe, it has to have something to do with the ultimate-antagonist: Cryak, me thinks.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: RYTX on March 07, 2010, 04:27:57 PM
He's a servant, but no one ever said Crayak made the Drode: he had a race, but we know nothing more than that.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Azguard on March 07, 2010, 06:33:56 PM
 Personally, there was nothing in the series for me to imply the One was more powerful than Crayak (and nothing to imply he isn't), but the way he presented himself just didn't seem to line up with the way the all-powerful beings in Animorphs do (ellimist and crayak). I've always picture the One as robotic in original nature.

I also thought that he was either another servant similar to the Drode (like the new "Drode") or either something that came from the Kelbrids.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Chad32 on March 07, 2010, 09:16:55 PM
If I was going to give the One a backstory, I'd probably have him be to the kelbrids what the Ellemist is to the Pamalites and Crayak is to the Howlers. And since no description is given for Kelbrids, they could be anything.

What do you think of him forming a mouth for Ax and speaking through it. do you think he's able to completely control Ax's morphing, or might it me something else?
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Azguard on March 08, 2010, 12:00:15 AM
 yeah, that sounds about right. The One to the Kelbrids.

 Uh... what if its some hologram thingy and not actual flesh? Or maybe it is total assimilation with a corruption of the original creature's thoughts
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Chad32 on March 08, 2010, 12:44:28 AM
It can be anything really. Maybe that really was a corrupted Ax talking.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: bizarrocarlos on March 13, 2010, 09:54:30 PM
i always thought that kaa wanted book 41 to be an introduction to a new villain (kinda like book 6 introduced crayak) then changed her mind( like how book 1 has jake using thought speak and morphing not healing injuries.) then threw in the ending with the one as a tease.

Post Merged: March 13, 2010, 10:09:10 PM
wait i got it. back in book 25 (the extreme!!!!!11 :o) ax is explaining how the venber went extinct, he says some race called "the five" was behind it. maybe the five were all absorbed by some reason or other and became "the one"
"maybe they live between the four and the five" said marco.
and to quote ax:"the five are no longer in existence. soon after we encountered them for the first time.....well, no one knows for certain what happened to the five."
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Azguard on March 13, 2010, 10:20:47 PM
that would make sense!

 the One, then... the Five. Yes!
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Gafrash on March 13, 2010, 10:35:19 PM
The link between The One and The Five is feasible in the Aniverse, me thinks. Weren't The Five extinct? One could say The Cryak was behind it and formed the creature we know of as The One?!?!!
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Azguard on March 13, 2010, 11:05:55 PM
 it would make sense if the andalites didn't know what happened to them because....they crossed into Kelbrid space!
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Silk on March 19, 2010, 01:40:21 PM
I'm just going to make a note about some common speculation.

Lots of people assume that The One was the being in book 41 (responsible for the alternate reality Jake saw). Well, recently, someone asked K. A. Applegate about that directly. She and Michael Grant answered that: "The One is a purely future creation/event, not entwined in the backstory." Source (http://animorphsfanforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2062&p=94014#p94014)

Therefore, it was not responsible for the events of the 41st book.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: VisserZer0 on March 19, 2010, 07:26:09 PM
Well, that just plain sucks. Hard. And do you know why?? Because that means #41 was just another one of those pointless placeholder books that doesn't really serve a purpose. Man...

On a side note: NOOO! AFF has discovered our plans and is now attempting to copy the greatness that is RAF! Revolt, man the Hork-Bajir, get the Visser--lol I'll stop now.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Alic on March 19, 2010, 08:20:30 PM
What plans?
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Galladerotom on March 19, 2010, 09:01:02 PM
Actually the animorphs article one wikipedia said it had to do with something that absorbed the Ellimist (turns out the bits about the ending with total bull some moron made up).

The problem with the one is that we know so little about it that we can only guess at what it is. Analyzing the animorphs is like trying to analyze a sitcom, their are masses of contradictions and things that don't make sense in the real world.

The only thing we can be sure of is that the one has a source of Kandrona as the yeerk homeworld was taken and all the other yeerks became nothlits. The one could produce kandrona naturally and the Yeerks came to worship it like the ancient cultures worshiped the sun.

Once again that is just my best guess.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: VisserZer0 on March 19, 2010, 09:34:32 PM
What plans?
I dunno, really. I was just shouting randomly. :P
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Silk on March 19, 2010, 09:43:09 PM
Actually the animorphs article one wikipedia said it had to do with something that absorbed the Ellimist (turns out the bits about the ending with total bull some moron made up).

The problem with the one is that we know so little about it that we can only guess at what it is. Analyzing the animorphs is like trying to analyze a sitcom, their are masses of contradictions and things that don't make sense in the real world.

The only thing we can be sure of is that the one has a source of Kandrona as the yeerk homeworld was taken and all the other yeerks became nothlits. The one could produce kandrona naturally and the Yeerks came to worship it like the ancient cultures worshiped the sun.

Once again that is just my best guess.

That is as good a theory as any I've heard. The Blade ship presumably has its own pool and Kandrona generator, but the generators don't last forever. After three years in space, it'd probably run out.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: JFalcon on March 19, 2010, 10:16:55 PM
The Blade ship presumably has its own pool and Kandrona generator, but the generators don't last forever. After three years in space, it'd probably run out.

I don't see why; if it were properly maintained (and let's face it, it would be, it's unlikely they wouldn't have had the means aboard the ship and if they did they could have stopped off at the nearest Yeerk stronghold for what they needed before the empire fully crumbled) its lifespan could easily be as long if not longer than the ship's. Unless it went without proper maintainance for years--maybe decades--three years seems ridiculously short for a ship that could spend that length of time on assignment away from resupply. On a Yeerk ship a Kandrona generator for the onboard pool would easily be as important as the walls, and they may have linked up with other Yeerk ships, allowing them to swap parts, or even build entirely new generators as needed.

In Visser they had portable generator that lasted them quite a long time and a portable model shouldn't last longer than one meant to feed an entire crew on a vessel. Even if we assume it came from their Bugfighter--before they destroyed it--a capital ship such as a Pool or Blade Ship should have a more durable model aboard I would expect.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Silk on March 20, 2010, 02:48:57 PM
The Blade ship presumably has its own pool and Kandrona generator, but the generators don't last forever. After three years in space, it'd probably run out.

I don't see why; if it were properly maintained (and let's face it, it would be, it's unlikely they wouldn't have had the means aboard the ship and if they did they could have stopped off at the nearest Yeerk stronghold for what they needed before the empire fully crumbled) its lifespan could easily be as long if not longer than the ship's. Unless it went without proper maintainance for years--maybe decades--three years seems ridiculously short for a ship that could spend that length of time on assignment away from resupply. On a Yeerk ship a Kandrona generator for the onboard pool would easily be as important as the walls, and they may have linked up with other Yeerk ships, allowing them to swap parts, or even build entirely new generators as needed.

In Visser they had portable generator that lasted them quite a long time and a portable model shouldn't last longer than one meant to feed an entire crew on a vessel. Even if we assume it came from their Bugfighter--before they destroyed it--a capital ship such as a Pool or Blade Ship should have a more durable model aboard I would expect.

I halfway agree with you. Three years is pretty short for a big-time Kandrona generator like the one the Blade ship probably has. But we don't know how long they've had that particular one. Maybe the Visser got a new one just before book 53. Or maybe he's been going on that one for the last ten years. We've really got no way of knowing.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Chad32 on March 20, 2010, 04:43:38 PM
That might be partly why they decided to worship the One. They were all about to starve to death because they were running out of Kandrona. And then in their time of greatest desperation, a powerful being offered them a way out.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Unknown User on March 20, 2010, 10:07:22 PM
Actually the animorphs article one wikipedia said it had to do with something that absorbed the Ellimist (turns out the bits about the ending with total bull some moron made up).

The problem with the one is that we know so little about it that we can only guess at what it is. Analyzing the animorphs is like trying to analyze a sitcom, their are masses of contradictions and things that don't make sense in the real world.

The only thing we can be sure of is that the one has a source of Kandrona as the yeerk homeworld was taken and all the other yeerks became nothlits. The one could produce kandrona naturally and the Yeerks came to worship it like the ancient cultures worshiped the sun.

Once again that is just my best guess.

Where in any of the books does it say that the yeerks were all forced to become nothlits? Or even that the homeworld was totally conqured by the andalites? People really count the yeerks out at the end of the series, but they owned several other planets. Although the loss of earth would have hurt them really badly, it doesn't mean the empire instantly crumbled and stopped existing.

As for the one and the yeerks worshiping it, no where in the book does it even imply that all the yeerks worship it, just the ones that where on the blade ship.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Chad32 on March 20, 2010, 10:09:09 PM
The ones on the bladeship were the ones I was talking about.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: INH on March 20, 2010, 10:31:25 PM
Where in any of the books does it say that the yeerks were all forced to become nothlits? Or even that the homeworld was totally conqured by the andalites? People really count the yeerks out at the end of the series, but they owned several other planets. Although the loss of earth would have hurt them really badly, it doesn't mean the empire instantly crumbled and stopped existing.

I don't know about the other stuff, but the yeerk homeworld has been totally conquered by the andalites since before the war.  After the first yeerks escaped, the andalites blockaded the planet.  The yeerks were never able to retake it, and in The Beginning, Ax says that the homeworld is still under blockade 3 years after the end of the war on Earth.

People forget this a lot, and it kind of bugs me.  Admittedly, even Applegrant have forgotten this a few times.  For instance, early in The Beginning it mentions that some yeerk ships contacted the homeworld and were told to fight.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Unknown User on March 20, 2010, 10:36:16 PM
I thought that the andalites had just blockaded the home world? I got the feeling that the andalites had been driven off the surface by yeerk attacks in The Hork-bajir Chronicles?
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Silk on March 21, 2010, 12:13:42 AM
While we know the Homeworld was blockaded (at least at times), we also know that it's possible for Yeerks to get in and out of the blockade. Edriss has no trouble with it in Visser, for example, or at any other time. Maybe the Andalite blockade had to be lifted at some point during the war and was reestablished some time afterwards. In any case, it is pretty clear that yeerks can infiltrate and exfiltrate their homeworld, as well as send and receive messages.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: INH on March 21, 2010, 01:40:49 AM
While we know the Homeworld was blockaded (at least at times), we also know that it's possible for Yeerks to get in and out of the blockade. Edriss has no trouble with it in Visser, for example, or at any other time. Maybe the Andalite blockade had to be lifted at some point during the war and was reestablished some time afterwards. In any case, it is pretty clear that yeerks can infiltrate and exfiltrate their homeworld, as well as send and receive messages.

Huh?  When in Visser did Edriss ever go to the yeerk homeworld?  Doing a quick Ctrl-F through the e-book, the only time the yeerk homeworld is ever mentioned is when she says that she named her daughter after one of its moons.

I'm pretty sure that the yeerks never communicate with, much less go to, their homeworld after the first ones leave.  The Council of Thirteen is scattered throughout space, and the Hork-Bajir and Taxxon worlds are their biggest strongholds.  So, even if they could get through the blockade, there wouldn't be much of a reason to.  This is pretty consistent throughout the series, and anything that indicates otherwise is probably a KASU.

And yes, the Andalites probably don't have much of a presence on the surface of the yeerk homeworld.  However, the yeerks there are still cut off from the rest of the universe, including the empire started by their brothers.  On an interplanetary scale, the planet is effectively under Andalite control.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: VisserZer0 on March 21, 2010, 11:19:10 AM
I wonder why the Andalites don't just zap it out of existence or something. Ax said once that the Yeerks could just incinerate Earth with high powered Dracon beams if they felt like it. Or why can't they just extinguish it with a virus like the Hork-Bajir world? Seems kinda stupid to just hang out above the homeworld not doing anything.

And no, the ex-Visser One never visited the homeworld in Visser.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: INH on March 21, 2010, 03:48:31 PM
Well, I imagine that the andalite civilians would frown on committing genocide, especially against people that really aren't a threat to them.  Alloran ended up disgraced for his actions on the hork-bajir world, remember.

Besides, all that would accomplish is prevent the empire from ever taking more yeerks from their homeworld.  And from what we've seen, the empire's supply of hosts has been shorter than its supply of yeerks for a long time.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: VisserZer0 on March 21, 2010, 07:24:20 PM
They were planning on wiping out Earth the same way towards the end though. Does it matter if they're not a threat? I thought Andalites had some sort of primal hatred for Yeerks regardless. If the Andalites had just wiped out the homeworld they would have had a greater force to combat the Yeerks with. I doubt all they had up floating above planet Yeerk was just a few fighters. They probably had a Dome ship or something up there. Otherwise I think it would be child's play to just send, say, a Blade ship over there and wipe the Andalite force out. I just think the Andalites were wasting their forces by monitoring the Yeerk planet 24/7.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: INH on March 21, 2010, 11:19:57 PM
The andalite military was planning on wiping out Earth towards the end of the series.  Once they realized that the electorate was watching, they changed their plans pretty quickly.  It would be very hard to wipe out the yeerk homeworld without anyone noticing.

I'm sure that some andalites have a "primal hatred" for yeerks, but that doesn't seem to apply to most of them.  In The Andalite Chronicles, Elfangor vehemently refused to kill defenseless yeerks.  When he returns to the fleet at the end of the book, the commander says that he was right to do this, even though it led to Alloran being infested.

Also, frying the homeworld wouldn't just kill yeerks.  The gedds would also be wiped out, and the implication is that they're mostly involuntary hosts.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: VisserZer0 on March 21, 2010, 11:40:42 PM
Ooh. Forgot about the Gedds. Although they were barely sentient in the first place. Okay so scratch blowing it up, but couldn't they have spared some forces from the Yeerk planet? Or maybe they did. It's not really stated in the series.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Unknown User on March 22, 2010, 11:21:40 AM
I always wondered alot about the emporer of the yeerk empire, what host he had or where he was, did we ever hear anymore about him other than the fact that his identity was a closely gaurded yeerk secret? I would have guessed Akdor, but he was killed.
Title: Re: The One [spoilers]
Post by: Mark on March 23, 2014, 09:35:24 AM
the one could very well be father, remember the Ellimist absorbs him, then splits himself into hundreds or thousands of ships, what's to say at least one section didn't go in the black hole or get shot by Crayak, and had fathers mind in it? Then it would do what it did on his original moon, only now he has a spacefaring body and weapons to help him(it) along.