Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: powertrash on February 03, 2010, 01:28:51 AM
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I was going to blame this on Twilight, but in truth, I am just so obsessed with Buffy that I can't not think about this ****.
Hypothetically, if supernatural creatures were real, could you morph them? Is vampire DNA different from human DNA? What if you morphed a werewolf on the full moon? Would you change? Could you morph a zombie?
/super lame
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well according to twilight, vampires and werewolves have different numbers of chromosomes than humans, so I guess they're just different species.
but none of it is real so you can justify it any way u want
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As long as it's based on DNA, it can be morphed, so I'm thinking yes.
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Vampires and zombies, I'm not sure of as they are essentially dead. Plus, not sure about vampires, but zombies would have the exact same DNA as the person they used to be so if anything you'd probably just morph into the living person - remember, absorbing DNA doesn't absorb injuries so you diffinitly wouldn't be able to morph a zombie and even a vampire I find iffy.
A werewolf however could be possible as that is an entirely different, living, creature that the person changes into. I'd say 'Nay' on Vampire and Zombie but 'Yay' on Werewolf. But that's just my personal belief.
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I agree with Slushie that you shouldn't be able to morph something that's undead. In the case of Vampires, the blood running through their veins is not their own anyway. Werewolves should be fine because they aren't undead.
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What a stupid question ^^'
lol sorry ;)
Anijen, [spoiler]just to tell you... There is no werewolf in Twilight (we don't see them, to be exact...).[/spoiler]
Except that... I think morphing a (un)dead wouldn't be a good idea. And morphing a werewolf would be dangerous. But the best way to know... would be to try ;)
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I was going to blame this on Twilight, but in truth, I am just so obsessed with Buffy that I can't not think about this ****.
Hypothetically, if supernatural creatures were real, could you morph them? Is vampire DNA different from human DNA? What if you morphed a werewolf on the full moon? Would you change? Could you morph a zombie?
/super lame
Vampires are supernatural dead things that need human blood to continue their existance. so no morphing could not happen.
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It all depends on what "type" of Vampire you're talking about, as not all fiction describes Vampires as dead. However, assuming that they were indeed dead, it would be impossible to morph them (it was never explained why exactly, but it was made clear that you couldn't acquire a dead animal).
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eh, that's contradicted. In #18, they morph mosquitoes in order to get the blood so they can acquire it (eg, dead tissue) but then in MM2 they can't acquire the T-Rex that Ax killed so they can have a thrilling action scene acquiring a live one. I'm convinced that if someone wanted to write fic with this (I think Visser Zero already has, actually), you could definitely make it work, depending on what detail from this canon and what vampire canon you pick.
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(super-)Natural shape changing and morphing should interact in interesting ways; the butterfly morph is our only cannon example.
Would make good fanfic if I could get my writing skills up to grade.
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eh, that's contradicted. In #18, they morph mosquitoes in order to get the blood so they can acquire it (eg, dead tissue) but then in MM2 they can't acquire the T-Rex that Ax killed so they can have a thrilling action scene acquiring a live one. I'm convinced that if someone wanted to write fic with this (I think Visser Zero already has, actually), you could definitely make it work, depending on what detail from this canon and what vampire canon you pick.
I haven't really given much thought into them morphing the vampires/werewolves but this topic kind of gives me some motivation to try. By the way, thanks for my first review ever. :)
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Other stupid question for cross-over: If you morph Sylar, would you have the powers he took from other people?
Oops sorry, it's off-topic ^^'
Phoenix is right: a vampire who is in fact a mutant, I don't see why it wouldn't work. But Dracula or other dead vampires... you can't really do it.
In Animorphs, (I don't really remember who it happens but) maybe in #18 they thought they could do it, and in MM2 they saw that in fact they couldn't, and if they tried in #18 it wouldn't work...?
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I did only watch up to s3 of heroes, but we never do find out how Sylar takes the other's powers, do we? So it would depend on if he was able to incorporate them into a part of his DNA or if they were just...something else.
What if they tried to morph the Ellimist?
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What if they tried to morph the Ellimist?
Well that's really a different topic, but I would assume not. The Ellimist no longer has a physical body, therefore it's highly unlikely he can be acquired.
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...may be a stupid question, but it's exactly the type of thing the real animorphs would've discussed lol.
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At least Jake and Marco anyway, lol. And not so much discuss but more like playfully argue over, lol
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eh, that's contradicted. In #18, they morph mosquitoes in order to get the blood so they can acquire it (eg, dead tissue) but then in MM2 they can't acquire the T-Rex that Ax killed so they can have a thrilling action scene acquiring a live one. I'm convinced that if someone wanted to write fic with this (I think Visser Zero already has, actually), you could definitely make it work, depending on what detail from this canon and what vampire canon you pick.
vampires are in essence, dead things (you know, the actual ones from lore, not the glowing HE-MAN male models that twitlight is trying to sell them as). you try to morph one and you may lack the mystical component that keeps vampires active.
the T-Rex was alive once and thus was once a living animal and is prefect viable to morph. namely because it isn't supernatural..
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Dear God, are we seriously going to go by the definitions that Stephanie Meyer laid out for us?
The woman blatantly said she never did any research on vampires and werewolves and just pulled it out of the part of her where the sun don't shine.
I don't think you could morph the undead for the aforementioned reasons, but you could totally morph a werewolf, since they are humans with a transformative disease.
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Oh, about werewolves... Zaprow made me think about something, maybe it's stupid but...
"A transformative disease"... Would it be like the natural morphs? I mean, Cassie could change back to Human after she became a butterfly. So if somebody morphs a lycanthrope, and then is trapped. Will he be free to morph again in the next full moon? And if we follow this rule, then the nothlit would be able to demorph during each full moon, don't you think?
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A transformative disease isn't the same thing as natural metamorphosis. If you morphed a werewolf, would you just get the human--cause the obtained(?) disease isn't part of the dna?
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Yeah probably
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If the person was turned into a werewolf by some kind of bizarre disease or curse, then it wouldn't work. If they were born a werewolf (or becoming one altered their DNA) then it would work.
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But if you transform into a werewolf, wouldn't your DNA also change as well?
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Technically yes, but it really depends on how the transformation works. If it's supernatural then it's unlikely that the morphing technology could work with it.
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Technically yes, but it really depends on how the transformation works. If it's supernatural then it's unlikely that the morphing technology could work with it.
again depends. right now, there are 2 different type of werewolves in pop culture.
1. the ritual transformation: the moon goes full, the ****er goes crazy, grows hair, and goes on a killing spree. anyone trying to morph a werewolf at that stage would either end up dead or stuck as the werewolf anger would simply overwhelm him/her. (werewolf in londen)
2. the choicer. the werewolf chooses to go into this form and still has control but still wants to kill everyone (the howling, Dog Soldiers). you can try to do this one but then again, it's highly unlikely that a werewolf will stay still long enough to get it and you still have to deal with the instinct to kill everyone..
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There's also the third option, the one that once you get bitten, it takes until the next Full Moon for your transformation t be complete and once you transform into a werewolf then, you are perminitly stuck in that form, ala Ginger Snaps.
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I definitely should watch Ginger Snaps, The Howling movies and American werewolf movies >_<
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I say skip the Howling movies, at least all after the first one. They're all horrible and have nothing to do with each other. But the first one is decent, although a tad boring. The American Werewolf series is good though, and Ginger Snaps is great. My second-favorite movie series behind Jurassic Park.
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Thanks Slushie ;)
In fact, when I'll have finished my vampire movies, I'll probably watch a lot of werewolf and zombie movies :P I already took Ginger Snaps, American werewolf in London (may in Paris too, not sure) and some Howling movies.
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There's also the third option, the one that once you get bitten, it takes until the next Full Moon for your transformation t be complete and once you transform into a werewolf then, you are perminitly stuck in that form, ala Ginger Snaps.
i've thought about it but it would seem to be the ritual thing all over again..
i've seen ginger snaps and while i love the plot of it, i hate the werewolf model/design with a passion.. :P
the thing looks more like a were-naked mole rat than a werewolf..
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I LOVE the design of it. Unlike most werewolf movies, its not CGI but practical effects, and its something unique and not the same old design we've seen in a dozen other movies.
Although the werewolves in GS2 and 3 have much more fur on them, so it could just be that she was a newly-turned wolf and had not yet grown her fur.
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I don't know a lot of werewolf:
- Oz from Buffy
- George Sands in Being Human
- Larry Talbot in The Wolfman, House of Frankenstein, House of Dracula, etc....
- Scott Howard in Teen Wolf
- Tommy Dawkins in Big Wolf on Campus
I think my favorite design is Oz. But I also like George Sands (the actor is really great in that role, and the design of the werewolf is close to Oz), and Larry Talbot ("I wanted you to cure me, but now it's too late, and tonight, as 6 days ago, it'll be full moon and I'll kill again! No, you can't help me anymore, I leave!" lol EMO!! haha but I love it!) as characters. Tommy Dawkins is less funny than Merton, and the design is kitsch but funny ^^'
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In terms of self-consistency, I see morphing technology as very similar to two biological phenomena:
- complete metamorphosis
- regeneration
If you cut a leg off an axolotl, it will grow back. (Proven scientific law. Scientists are bastards.) Its cells "remember" what shape it should be and re-grow.
If you let a silkworm grow large enough, it will do one better than the axolotl. It will actually change its bodyplan. Its cells grow one shape from egg, and a very different one (a very fat white moth) from pupa.
Now if there's one thing werewolf stories agree on, it's that they're hungry. There's obviously some metabolic activity going on at an insane pace. One explanation is that werewolves are regenerative--nothing short of a catastrophic injury will slow a werewolf down (except possibly for silver, which seems to inhibit regeneration).
Similar to metamorphosis, however, the "targeted form" the cells grow towards is not the original body plan.
Now, does any of this sound familiar?
Regeneration, change of form? Mmmhmm.
Thus, the following hypotheses:
- The human form of a human lycanthrope can be acquired. The full-moon form cannot be acquired.
- A morpher may be infected with lycanthropy. A lycanthrope may use the Escafil device. Either way, the result is a morph-capable lycanthrope.
- A morph-capable lycanthrope has greatly enhanced, though imperfect, control over transformation. Transformation is forced under a full moon, and morphing is extremely difficult and tiring under a new moon.
- A morph-capable lycanthrope might involuntarily morph any acquired morph under a full moon, not just full-moon form.
- A morph-capable lycanthrope, like all lycanthropes, constantly regenerates under a full moon.
- A morph-capable lycanthrope, like all lycanthropes, is ravenously hungry under a full moon.
- A nothlit lycanthrope transforms and regains the ability to morph with a full moon.
- A nothlit infected with lycanthropy becomes a morph-capable lycanthrope, but cannot recover his original form.
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Woh! :o
Amazing explanation! ^^
Well, it still depends of the kind of lycanthropy it is, but it sounds right ;)
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Right!
If you want the werewolf morph, just "acquire" it the old-fashioned way... and then wait for a full moon!
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I love that this conversation is going on here. This forum rocks! :D
But this got me thinking:
Time Lords?
The Stig? (I don't know if anyone here has seen/heard of Top Gear?)