Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Fwahm on November 10, 2009, 02:57:30 PM
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Civilians counts anyone that didn't interact significantly with the Yeerk wars (for example, rank and file controllers count).
I'd say David's parents had it pretty bad. Right after moving to a new town, their house is destroyed, they get turned into controllers, and their son vanishes. Even after the war ends, they would have no idea whatosever about what happened to David.
Honorable mention to Jake's parents; niece died killing their son, and other son goes into depression for three years before leaving earth (presumably) forever.
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How about Nora?
She fell in love with the love of her life only to be turned into a controller at about the same time that he disappeared to 'die.' Not to mention that she had to have learned about Visser One from her Yeerk, so she knew that the wife of the guy who thought he loved her was still alive. Boy, that had to have been an entangled emotional mess for her.
Then, the war ended, and Marco's dad presumably lived happily ever after with Marco's mom, and forgot all about Nora completely.
Hmm . . . That sounds almost exactly like the plot of that new movie, "Brothers," except in reverse and Eva and Nora are unrelated.
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Yeah, I always wandered how they'd explain things to Nora once the war was over lol
"Well Nora, it's been fun(really fun) but it turns out my baby-mama is still alive sooooo you're fired"
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Rachel's dad
no one cared about him and he lost his favorite daughter!!
lol actually I agree with Nora but this is kind of a fun brainstorm
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Nora and David's parents do end up pretty bad. I'd also give Loren some mention. She loses her son, and when she finally reunited with him finds out he's a bird. Then after that his girlfriend dies and he leaves her to live in Yellowstone or whatever.
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yeah I found it funny how Rachel was really close with her dad but never really freaked out when they couldn't save him
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Nora and David's parents do end up pretty bad. I'd also give Loren some mention. She loses her son, and when she finally reunited with him finds out he's a bird. Then after that his girlfriend dies and he leaves her to live in Yellowstone or whatever.
True, but I always got the impression that Loren had never felt terribly attached to Tobias. Aside from the time she save his life, she never really acted like a mother to him.
Then again, given the fact that that was probably because she lost her memory of everything she ever cared about, her life still sucked pretty hard.
Has Melissa been mentioned yet? Even after going through this big emotional episode in book #2 about how her parents didn't love her anymore, all she ever got in the way of closure was "Oh, they love you more than you could ever know." To which she was almost certainly like, "WTF is that supposed to mean?"
I'm sure she had a better time of it after the war, though. Then her parents could finally explain what had happened.
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also Ax's parents
they lost both sons as casualties to a war, and collectively have about 4 lines in the entire series.
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Although we never find out what happened to them, two minor examples leap to mind. Captain Torelli (the military guy from #14) is presumably held responsible for allowing 3 teenagers to trespass on a restricted military area and for letting a bunch of horses stampede the same restricted base. He was then almost captured, infested or killed by hostile aliens, then embarrassed on national TV. Somehow I doubt he got a promotion...
Another person is the nameless woman saved from the Yeerk Pool in #1. Who was she? What happened to her? She must have been on the run for the rest of the war to avoid the Yeerks.
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Another person is the nameless woman saved from the Yeerk Pool in #1. Who was she? What happened to her? She must have been on the run for the rest of the war to avoid the Yeerks.
I think it's pretty widely assumed that she's the same person as the crazy lady from MM #1. In which case, I can't feel too sorry for her. On the run from Yeerks or not, she does try to kill Rachel just for the random possibility of her being a controller.
Hey, how about the kid from #16? The one who finds out about his dad being a controller, and then is told to do nothing about it? That has to suck.
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I would think the families of the Auxiliary Animorphs probably had it bad.
So, you have a child that's either severely injured or permanently crippled. That's pretty bad. Then you find out they were brutally killed. That can't be nice.
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I don't think the kid from 16 has it as bad as some other people. At least he knew why his dad wasn't the same anymore, as opposed to Mellissa.
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I don't think the kid from 16 has it as bad as some other people. At least he knew why his dad wasn't the same anymore, as opposed to Mellissa.
True, but in some ways, it might almost be worse to know, if you're powerless to do anything about it.
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What about Eslin in book 8
The love of his life is killed off by starvation he tries to avenge but totally fails. Who knows what happened to him after the war or if they found out.
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Obviously if he ever made any more attmpts, they failed too. He either gave up and drifted into obscurity, or was killed one way or another.
Or perhaps the guy that came to earth with Visser One and died because he had become too attached to Humans. And his poor host that went insane because the Yeerk didn't get out quickly enough.
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could animals count as civilians? if so, I nominate spawn, david's cobra. imagine what visser three would've done to him, thinking he was an andalite...
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T_T poor spawn
i can't even imagine what they did to teh poor snake
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could animals count as civilians? if so, I nominate spawn, david's cobra. imagine what visser three would've done to him, thinking he was an andalite...
Oh, or how about that eagle that got eaten by Taxxons in book #33?
Returning to humans, I can't believe nobody's mentioned poor George Edelman yet . . . the guy with a Yeerk stuck in his head forever, and who couldn't even commit suicide over it because a bunch of birds of prey had to go and save him. :(
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I wonder what they did with all the Humans after everyone found out about the Yeerks. Did they leave them in mental institutions, or did they try to get the Yeerks out somehow? Who knows. I feel kind of bad for all the Georges out there.
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Another person is the nameless woman saved from the Yeerk Pool in #1. Who was she? What happened to her? She must have been on the run for the rest of the war to avoid the Yeerks.
I think it's pretty widely assumed that she's the same person as the crazy lady from MM #1. In which case, I can't feel too sorry for her. On the run from Yeerks or not, she does try to kill Rachel just for the random possibility of her being a controller.
i'd never really thought much into that, but it makes sense.
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Surgery could possibly get the Yeerks out, like Jake threatened to to do Visser One.
Probably a big risk of brain damage though, unless Andalites are brain surgery pros.
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Another person is the nameless woman saved from the Yeerk Pool in #1. Who was she? What happened to her? She must have been on the run for the rest of the war to avoid the Yeerks.
I think it's pretty widely assumed that she's the same person as the crazy lady from MM #1. In which case, I can't feel too sorry for her. On the run from Yeerks or not, she does try to kill Rachel just for the random possibility of her being a controller.
i'd never really thought much into that, but it makes sense.
I've heard that theory but it's really just a guess. It makes sense, but there's no real evidence to support it. If it is her, it's hardly her fault if she's gone crazy, but yeah it's harder to feel sorry for a crazy woman who tries to kill you...
Surgery could possibly get the Yeerks out, like Jake threatened to to do Visser One.
Probably a big risk of brain damage though, unless Andalites are brain surgery pros.
It's possible it might work, but who knows what they Yeerk might be able to do in response? It's possible the Yeerk might kill the host, or that forcibly removing the Yeerk would cause permanent brain damage.
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Did Chapman survive? I think his life pretty much sucked...
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I think he lived. His Yeerk probably didn't.
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Prolly ended up in some mental hospital with what he had to go through...
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I think Chapman was a stronger and bigger man than to succumb to mental illness and frankly mental illnes is not caused by experience, but biological chemistry within the human brain causing psychological problems. People who have survived horrors in real life (such as the Holocaust) may be affected, but most go onto lead normal lives. Meanwhile people living beautiful priviliged lives under western democracy experience mental illnes and go to mental hospitals. Sometimes it is not society but psychological (and screw Durkheim).
Perhaps Yeerkbane could remove the yeerk, and also the andalites could develop morphing technology so that it can 'reset the DNA' and thus reduce the brain damage and injuries without giving huge numbers of untrustworthy humans morphing technology. If not then George and Co are the most unfortunate people; after all many humans could've benefited from yeerks (illiterate people taught to read and fly spacecraft engineers taught superior yeerk technology thus giving themselves employment oppurtunities)but there would be no benefits to George and Co. Just a life time of mental hospitals and requiring care.
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How about John Berrymen's parents from MM#3? The Animorphs had good reasons, and breaking up ended being accidental, but they were still homewreckers.
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Dude, you feel sorry for John Berryman's parents?
John himself had it waaaaay worse off. He ceased to exist! And for no other reason than because his Yeerk screwed up history.
How much must that suck? To know that you will not just die, but be completely deleted from space-time as if you'd never existed in the first place?
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Fortunately for him, he never existed, so he was never the wiser! :)
I don't know why we're talking about some guy who never existed, though, and I can hardly qualify him as a "survivor"...
*feels the headache setting in from thinking about the space time continuum*
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Never existing is not a bad thing. It's not good either.
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Dino, I agree that John was way worse off than his parents. But I thought this topic was about surviving civilians, and I don't consider having your existence being erased counts as surviving.
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Dino, I agree that John was way worse off than his parents. But I thought this topic was about surviving civilians, and I don't consider having your existence being erased counts as surviving.
Oh, right, yeah, I forgot that they had to still be alive.
He's sort of still alive, though . . . just in an alternate timeline. (Lol, maybe in MM#4 he comes back.)
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I certainly agree with the previous suggestions of Loren and Nora, as well as a few others.
I feel really bad for the hosts of the Yeerks that escaped on the Blade Ship. The damn war is over, and these poor people are still stuck as hosts! That really sucks.
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Yeah, I guess you could say those Humans had it really bad.
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Especially considering their Yeerks were nowhere near the peace movement... Talk about a crappy existence...
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That's what Jake wanted to save Tom from. Unfortunately he had to be killed to be free, and Rachel died with him.
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Especially considering their Yeerks were nowhere near the peace movement... Talk about a crappy existence...
It is a particularly awful fate. Made even more awful by the fact that the hosts must know the war is over, and that everyone else is free apart from them. That must burn, and give those damn Yeerks an awful lot of mental-torture material.
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I suspect that they were easily broken (if not already) and not much fun to torment after that...
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I'm not sure if they count, considering that nobody is sure if they lived or not plus the fact that they aren't humans but...
What about Estrid and Gonrod? Mainly Estrid. I mean she Pretty much runs to her death in the end of 38. With a bunch of yeerk ship plus the Bladeship girding Earth, I would be surprised if they lived. And if they made it to the Andalite Homeworld, Gonrod would probally go back to jail, and Estrid, too, for making a Quantum Virus. Might even be isolated from the plant. If the yeerks catch them then, either Gonrod and Estrid die, or they're infested for info mation. If they did get caught, then the form or most likely happened, because there haven't been any count of any Andalite controllers except Alloran.
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they weren't really civilians, though
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I believe Estrid and Gonrod are classified as dead, so if they escaped the Yeerks they priobably just tried to lay low for a while. I don't know if the Andalite civilians would know of the virus deal, because the military tried to cover up the act by listing them as dead.
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they weren't really civilians, though
They where Andalite civilians though.
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I just mean they were like a black ops group under the command of an Apex Level Intelligence Agent. "Civilian" implies no affiliation with the military, which they had
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What about Saddler's parents? They're son has a fatal disease, he has a miraculous cure, then disappears/drops dead with no explanation. They never do say whether or not they found Saddler's body.
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I wonder what David did with his body. Saddler was taken into an Elevator, David morphed him, and no other mention was made. what did David do with the corpse?
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That's what I mean, maybe because it was a young adult series, they didn't want to get to nasty about it so Schoolastic took it out?
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I don't know why, but I always imagined he was dropped down the elevator shaft...
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yeah, I think I imagined that David shoved him in a storage closet somewhere but whatever it was it was not respectful or happy.
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Either way, his parents are probably freaking out about it.
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How about Mertil? I know, technically not a civilian, but he had it pretty rough. Lost his tail, can't morph to get it back, has to live in hiding on Earth, and then his caretaker/bestfriend/shrom/soulmate(?) dies of an Andalite equivilent to cancer, and he's left alone. In a human house that probably doesn't have the full morgage paid off, and will probably be reposessed at some point.
Even after the war, once Andalites are more well known, he'd still be shunned BY the Andalites for being a vecol. And there's no mention of Marco making good on his promise to hang out with him.
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Obviously if he ever made any more attmpts, they failed too. He either gave up and drifted into obscurity, or was killed one way or another.
Or perhaps the guy that came to earth with Visser One and died because he had become too attached to Humans. And his poor host that went insane because the Yeerk didn't get out quickly enough.
Book 17: The crazy man whose Yeerk had ODed on oatmeal and gone insane.