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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Essam 293 on June 21, 2008, 12:30:44 AM
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I got to thinking about this a while ago: Would the Yeerks have stopped invading other planets once they had taken over Earth?
The reason why I'm thinking this is because of the insane amount of humans we have on this planet. If the Yeerks had taken over, wouldn't they easily be able to find a host for every Yeerk in the Pool Ship? I think there were millions of Yeerks at most, where as we have billions of humans on this planet (all who could reproduce really fast too, if needed).
To me, the whole point of the invasion and the war in the first place was that the Yeerks wanted to be free, and to see the world as other creatures did, which is why they escaped from the Andalites after they were given portable Kandrona Rays. The Yeerks then went going around the universe looking for a Class Five (?) species where they could permanently settle their species into. From what I remember of Visser, humans were that set of species that they were looking for.
Am I not right? Was that not the objective? Do you think that if the Yeerks had taken over the humans, that the objective would've been completed? Would they have been content with living their lives as humans? Or would they lust for more power, invading as many planets and species as they could find?
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some yeerks most likely, yeah. they'll probably be content. some like visser three (or visser one by then) would probably just want more.
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yea i can see some of them wanting to find an even better species to replace the hork-bajir as their shock troops but you're probably right, for the most part they would be fine with humans, unless the homeworld had alot more yeerks, cause I dont think they ever said.
I think the objective at that point was to obtain enough hosts to re-take their homeworld, who knows what they would want to do after that. Especially if their whole governmental structure was based on conquest, it would be tough to switch over to a peaceful existance. Especially for the leaders who would be giving up their ranks and power
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wait...maybe once they have earth, they might want to try to take the andalites next...
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Yes,
Step one: Take over Earth.
Step two: Re-claim the blessed Yeerk homeworld.
Step three: Take over Andalites.
If satisfied: Terminate the process be peaceful.
If greedy: Take over the whole universe. Then be peaceful.
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oo good call, forgot about the andalites, they'd def want them, then once they had them id think they would go for total conquest lol def yeerk style
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With Espilin (Visser one/Three) as Visser One, oh man... peace is never an option.
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If greedy: Take over the whole universe. Then be peaceful.
well visser three/one sounds greedy to me
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That may have been all the majority of Yeerks wanted, but not the ones in charge. Once they have Earth and a host for every Yeerk then they would have been their forces would have been strong enough to move against the Andalite homeworld. Why settle for human when you can have Andalites? And once they have the Andalite homeworld then they will be the most powerful race in the galaxy.
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Well, there is still the Kelbrid... which might have power at par or even greater than the Andalites... :)
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It's far too late in the war for them to stop without defeating the Andalites. They didn't betray the Andalites for the goal of obtaining other hosts. They could have gotten voluntary hosts with the aide of Andalites.
They betrayed the Andalites because someone up top thought galactic conquest would be a good thing. The Council may have even gotten the idea from Crayak, but that's speculation at best.
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They would have to overtake the andalites as well, since the andalites would have continued to battle them. And on another level, it seems all yeerks hate andalites (and vice versa), even those yeerks in the peace movement., perhaps one can't survive while the other is around.
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Yeah it seems like they'd want to go after the Andalites and take back their homeworld, at least, although some Yeerks probably would be happy enough settling on Earth. It seems like with that many bodies some Yeerks could afford to live a relatively civilian lifestyle rather than the constant militaritic society of invading alien parasites x3
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But then again, thank Cassie for letting Yeerks morph... that way they can have a suitable body without enslaving others... ^^
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Yes,
Step one: Take over Earth.
Step two: Re-claim the blessed Yeerk homeworld.
Step three: Take over Andalites.
If satisfied: Terminate the process be peaceful.
If greedy: Take over the whole universe. Then be peaceful.
uhh... you mean:
step one: take over earth
step two:
step three: profit
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Well, there is still the Kelbrid... which might have power at par or even greater than the Andalites... :)
Fair point, maybe the Yeerks would have upheld the agreement and just left them alone, or maybe they would have gone after them with their new found military strength (after the conquest of the Andelites). It would depend if they were perceived as a threat, or if they had more value as hosts that humans or hork bajir, or even if they technologies worth taking.
Random thought as well, if the conquest of Earth was a success then the Yeerks would probably have done away with Taxxons and Gedds as hosts and dumped them all back on their own planet. Lets face it, there were more humans than Yeerks and since they were so hard to control the Taxxons were really at the bottom end of the hosts. Same with the Gedds, clumsy and almost blind, humans were a far superior.
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I agree with most of the others so far. If our pal the Visser had his say, I'm not so sure Earth would be enough for him. Nearly positive he would want to go after the Andalites next.
That's the thing with conquerors who are like the Visser. I'm pretty sure once they conquer one race it isn't enough. They gotta show how much power they have. "I crushed these guys, and I'm pretty darn sure I can crush you too."
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...To me, the whole point of the invasion and the war in the first place was that the Yeerks wanted to be free, and to see the world as other creatures did, which is why they escaped from the Andalites after they were given portable Kandrona Rays....
This is a very mild and nice way of looking at how the Yeerks started off, in my opinion,......The Yeerks then went going around the universe looking for a Class Five (?) species where they could permanently settle their species into. From what I remember of Visser, humans were that set of species that they were looking for.
I think the Yeerks were more interested in literally spreading throughout the planetary systems. Not necessarily finding ONE species and settle for them.
Am I not right? Was that not the objective? Do you think that if the Yeerks had taken over the humans, that the objective would've been completed? Would they have been content with living their lives as humans? Or would they lust for more power, invading as many planets and species as they could find?
No way! They were after the Andalites and their own Homeworld, remember?!
I am uncertain on the amount of Yeerks that were assigned human hosts and on standby on the artificial pools during the Earth Invasion, but I, too, think that the number of our human population was greater than the available Yeerks.
Well, there is still the Kelbrid... which might have power at par or even greater than the Andalites... :)
Who were the Kelbrids again?! I don't remember this species... Were they on the Ellimist Chronicles?!
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Yes,
Step one: Take over Earth.
Step two: Re-claim the blessed Yeerk homeworld.
Step three: Take over Andalites.
If satisfied: Terminate the process be peaceful.
If greedy: Take over the whole universe. Then be peaceful.
I agree.
I just add that, with Human hosts, they would take over the whole universe. Human mind wouldn't help them stopping, and to make all the Humans live, have more spaceships and technology for everybody, to build cities, countries for everybody... Yeah, I'm sure they're invade all the universe.
Don't you think, Esplin? Good plan, isn't it? ^^
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I believe the Yeerks would go on conquering but I also believe they would have ended up with a Civil War about any further expansion beyond reclaiming their Homeworld and defeating the Andalites. They would have morphing capabilities, in mass if they take the Andalites after Earth which was likely with our abundant resources and hosts.
Some Yeerks did not want unwilling hosts or to depend on Kandrona Rays. Some would want to become Nothlits and some would sympathize with enslaved hosts and be willing to fight for them.
And we cannot dismiss the outright common killing of subordinants. I think the defiant nature of human hosts would help influence a movement against the estabished leaders of the Yeerks by the underlings. That's my theory anyway. I think there expanision would have a lot to do with who ends up leading the Yeerk Empire when the dust settles...
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AniJen, you could be right... We'll have to be careful ;)
Humans are so... unpredictable!
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No, they wouldn't. Due to their internal hierarchy, where acquiring new, improved hosts is linked directly to advancement, it would only make sense for them to want more.
I do believe some Yeerks, once their race's survival and prosperity would have been ensured, would protest continued expansion and form groups like the EF (from book 41).
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Yep, gotta agree with the assessment that once the Yeerks counted their human hosts in the billions, they'd move against the Andalites.
They didn't really need physical prowess, more just sheer numbers by the sounds of things. Humans are adaptable, and would probably kick up their military production of ships and weapons by a couple of hundred percent, just through sheer numbers.
With 4-5 billion humans (leaving a billion margin for deathtoll), and eventually whatever Andalites they could manage to take alive, they'd probably be like mega-brutal-heavy-metal-unstoppable, yo.
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With 4-5 billion humans (leaving a billion margin for deathtoll), and eventually whatever Andalites they could manage to take alive, they'd probably be like mega-brutal-heavy-metal-unstoppable, yo.
Mega-brutal-heavy-metal-unstoppable to you or me sure . . . but not to the Borg. (dun dun DUN!)
Just kidding, couldn't resist.
But yeah, Visser Three states clearly that Earth is a stepping stone to the Andalite world, the Yeerks weren't going to stop, I don't even think they'd stop after the Andalites, they'd go after that race from 54 who'se name I can't remember, the one the Andalites had a treaty with but had never actually seen. I think they'd see them as a threat since the Andalites evidentally did.
Once you achieve Dominion you see threats everywhere.
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AniJen: Exactly what I was thinking. With such a large empire there would definitely be internal conflict possibly revolution with a) morphing capability presuming the blue box is found after taking over Earth b) the massive massive sheer number of potential human hosts which are far better than Taxxons and Gedds.
When someone takes over a country they also absorb into their culture all the things about the culture they enslaved whether they intend to or not. Considering that Yeerks inherently do this anyway it will DEFINITELY bring about great change. Remember the Visser One chronicle? (If anyone read it) she almost had a complete turn around based on her singular experience on Earth.
In terms of intelligence Gedds, Hork Bajirs, Taxxons. They're not particularly smart/advanced enough to give the variety and potential that humans have come up with. I mean even the Andalite(s) couldn't come up with the things us "backward humans" have done. The best the Hork Bajir came up with was knowing which type of wood to eat. Humans have created the ultimate "cinnamun bunzah"!
Okay back on topic to would the Yeerks have stopped invading Earth. It's quite hard to say but based on the assumption that the enslavement of Earth does not bring about an epic proportional revolution we can say that based on the propaganda control of their government Earth would not be enough. Sure a lot of Yeerks will be assigned to babysitting our planet but from past experience they usually end up stripping a planet of all resources for furthering their empire.
Actually in fact there were at least two instances where Earth was taken over so we do know what KA thought would happen. So yes on the list of the Yeerk agenda given that no revolution occurs:
- Molding Earth for Yeerk purposes
- Making Visser 3 member of council
- Wiping out or enslaving Andalites
- Wiping out or enslaving any other similar level of threat
eg. Kelbrid from the last book ever of Animorphs for those who didn't remember/know (SPOILER) the Andalite space neighbours who don't want trespassers - Exploration
- Meeting new-Howlers replacements and enslaving them if possible
- Meeting Iskoort in the far flung future and mocking them and then
- Getting beaten by superior (tech/numbers/combo) of aliens or internal conflict
Let's face it with possible Andalite technology, human numbers, human ingenuity and possibly several dozen other species and/or planets at their disposal the Yeerks aren't exactly going to just sit and play nice with their brand spanking shiny new hosts. They would have to have a massive change in government after conquering Earth to change their minds and even then they wouldn't just give up all their hosts and revert back to Kandrona lit swamps.
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no way! they invaded earth to be strong enough to invade andalite planet
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Wasn't it their plan to take the Andalites after earth?
And then any species they can find?
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Yep. People give the Yeerk's too much moral credit, to say they'd be happy with the morphing power alone. The resistance movement is pretty clearly a minority.
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A good example is that Visser Three says they'd need to breed more yeerks just to take all the humans. If they're willing to lose 3 experienced soldiers to make a hundred or so newbies just to fill in bodies I don't see them stopping at Earth or Andalite-Prime.
Go Yeerks go!
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Die filthy slugs, die!
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My interpretation of numbers:-
moral Yeerks : non moral Yeerks
equivalent to
vegetarians+vegans : everyone else
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In all seriousness, it's not really that simple. But in general, yeah, it'd be remiss to cling to the idea that the Yeerk Peace Movement was a MAJOR segment of the population. They wouldn't have had enough influence to turn the tide of the Empire and its wars.
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Weird, though I;d posted here already...
Anyway, I think it's safe to say the Yeerks wouldn't have stopped after Earth. The main reason they wanted to take Earth was because they needed a Class Five species, easier to invade race in large numbers and suitable for physical tasks. The reason they wanted Class Five hosts was so that they would finally be able to overpower the Andalites and then take back their homeworld, before spreading out across the rest of the galaxy.
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They would probably have had an all out war to destroy the Andalites and enslave them for the Vissers. They would have evolved into a howler type of dominators only more evil since with the howlers it was a game. The yeerks would have destroyed just to destroy those who were not enslavable i.e. the Gedds would have been killed off since they would no longer be needed.
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I agree that after humans were enslaved, they would have gone after Andalites in revenge, and taken their homeworld back.
Still though, sure they'd have enough humans for everyone, but in all honesty, humans suck. We're physically weak, slow, need a relatively varied as well as large diet to maintain health, etc. We consume too much based on our physical abilities. Hork-Bajir just need bark. That's basically it. And plants can be dried and compacted, and can be easily reconstituted. That's just with simple human technology. I'm assuming they'd want a race that is more physically abled for combat, as well having a simple mind, and lesser need for resources. Hork-Bajir are great hosts, as well as Garatrons for their speed.
I'm sure after they are done with humans and Andalites, they'd continue hunting for the perfect host race, conquering everything on the way. Even if they found the perfect race, they'd continue on because it's all they'd be able to do at that point. A race warring so generations just doesn't decide to stop. Also include the greed of leaders like our friend Visser Three/One.
I see the peace faction as a relatively small proportion, and eventually they'd drill out sympathy for hosts through propaganda. Remember how Russians were EVIL in the 60's? And how they thought the same of us? Same deal.
Assuming they succeeded in these endeavours, the only way I see for them to fall would be internal conflict. The only way for internal conflict to really tear them down would be something like another Visser battle; two powerful leaders with similar resources fighting it out for dominance, possibly with Tom-like traitors seeking hierarchy. When this fault or civil war happened, a powerful race would need to take them down, because eventually one of the Vissers would win, and rebuild.
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your forgetting one imporant fact think.
that fact is that humanity has been killing each other ever since we learned how to pick up tools and we have become quiet good at it. im sure that we could eventually find away that could deal with the yeerks that was both brutal and effective.
if it came down to it, the superpowers would just use the M.A.D. tactic and kill everything under atomic fire.
kill off 90% of the human population and im sure only a hundred hosts aren't very appleaing for a war machine marching threw the comos.
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Yes, but if all the humans are controllers, that will not get the opporunity to do so.
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I'm tempted to agree with Shock actually. There's no certainty that all humans will be controllers. As with virtually every empire/nation/organisation there will be freedom fighters/terrorists who will try and change the status quo. The fact that the Yeerks find the quantity of humans large means more chance of there being a larger rebellion force. As a species if we're desperate enough we'll try anything ask the 9/11 terrorists. I think I mentioned it earlier in this thread but the Yeerks downfall if it isn't a superior race would be internal strife.
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Yes, about the 9/11 terrorists. They hurt the "evil empire" so to speak, but look what happened. We basically shrug it off and go to war with their nation(s), and unless they get a nuke to threaten with, they have no hope of conquering us. We're just chasing Al Queda in circles.
I agree internal problems would be the downfall, but not freedom fighters. I think it would be Yeerks competing for power sabotaging each other.
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Yeah 9/11 wasn't my ideal example but I didn't really have any realistic situations where someone actually stole a nuke and planned to execute mutual annihilation or something more apocalyptic. Still that possibility exists.
On a slightly different note. Does anyone remember the hierarchy of the Yeerk empire? I vaguely remember something about:
Emperor-Council of Thirteen
50 Vissers and Sub-Vissers?
Hork Bajir, Human host
Taxxon, Ged host
No host Yeerks
Also how large is the Yeerk population?
I'm probably going a bit too extreme in trying to work out how their government and society works ;D
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The Yeerks then went going around the universe looking for a Class Five (?) species where they could permanently settle their species into. From what I remember of Visser, humans were that set of species that they were looking for.
didn't Visser Three say something about that because of the sheer amount of human hosts, that they woud have to breed haps more yeerks? i'm not too sure what book, but i'm sure that i read it somewhere...
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The Yeerks then went going around the universe looking for a Class Five (?) species where they could permanently settle their species into. From what I remember of Visser, humans were that set of species that they were looking for.
didn't Visser Three say something about that because of the sheer amount of human hosts, that they woud have to breed haps more yeerks? i'm not too sure what book, but i'm sure that i read it somewhere...
That was in Visser. And it was said by the original Visser One (Marco's Mother), not Visser Three.
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The Yeerks then went going around the universe looking for a Class Five (?) species where they could permanently settle their species into. From what I remember of Visser, humans were that set of species that they were looking for.
didn't Visser Three say something about that because of the sheer amount of human hosts, that they woud have to breed haps more yeerks? i'm not too sure what book, but i'm sure that i read it somewhere...
That was in Visser. And it was said by the original Visser One (Marco's Mother), not Visser Three.
ahh ok.... well, i still stand by what i said
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The Yeerks then went going around the universe looking for a Class Five (?) species where they could permanently settle their species into. From what I remember of Visser, humans were that set of species that they were looking for.
didn't Visser Three say something about that because of the sheer amount of human hosts, that they woud have to breed haps more yeerks? i'm not too sure what book, but i'm sure that i read it somewhere...
That was in Visser. And it was said by the original Visser One (Marco's Mother), not Visser Three.
Actually Visser Three says it too in book 1, whilst he's taunting Elfangor.
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My interpretation of numbers:-
moral Yeerks : non moral Yeerks
equivalent to
vegetarians+vegans : everyone else
Oh my Gee! That's a good one! I would agree to this ratio, too!
PLUS, the Yeerks pick and adopt things they learn from other races. All the stuff you guys stated about human nature, like capacity for violence; human will, to persist inspite the odds; would be susceptible to all the Yeerks this Earth-conquer.
They certainly would not have stopped after Earth. They would have rounded all efforts to overwhelm the Andalites, RE-TAKE their Homeworld AND FURTHERMORE proceed to look for the ULTIMATE Controller species.
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I think it's important to think of yeerks as being just like humans, equally capable of good and evil. During WWII alot of german citizens went along w/ their country's actions out of nationalism, being brainwashed, fear, etc. I think that eventually if all yeerks had suitable hosts the majority of the yeerks would have been fine living more peacefully.
If you look at book 41 as a vision of the future, it seems that the yeerks settle into a pretty peaceful existence after conquering the humans and andalites. I remember seeing a billboard for some sort of yeerk vacation? I forgot what that was. Also, they adopt human business ideals such as teamwork and communication.