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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Zues770 on June 16, 2008, 04:40:16 AM
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I remember this topic from good ole' blue and remember saying I didn't like the first Helmacron book but now that I realize I actually liked it.
Still hate The Mutation
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The oatmeal idea in The Underground always seemed kind of lame to me, I also was not a huge fan of The Ellimist Chronicles as I've said before for the lack of answers I thought it would have. I also disliked The Return, not because I disliked the book really but because it was Rachels last narrated book and I dont feel like she was given her due. Other than that though I would be hard pressed to pick any off the top of my head I disliked, I'll have to take a second look back at them
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May I ask what about the mutation you disliked so much?
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the alternamorphs
next in my opinion, are #24 and #42. the helmacrons were a bad idea. they were seriously annoying. and before you guys say they were funny, I'm gonna say they're not because of their way too big egos. A big ego is fine. It makes the villian funny. Too much ego, not knowing when you lost, that's just stupid and annoying.
don't really have any others ones that I can think of right now.
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Number 48. I liked the idea of David returning, but everything in that book was just done poorly. Rachel was made out to be some crazy psycho ***** and KA didn't even tell us what happened to David! I'm not a big fan of cliffhangers.
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I think Applegate could have done better with Davud's return as well. There's also a part about the book where Jake's family, including Tom, goes somewhere for four days to a funeral. It was the PERFECT time to make a "rescue Tom" mission. All they had to do was grab Tom when he was close to his three day limit, and starve the Yeerk. The other Yeerks would have no suspicions about a Yeerk just dying after a four day trip away from the pool.
They didn't even attempt it, though. Not as far as I can remember.
This is all in addition to the last book, which I won't even go into. I've already explained myself in that regard.
As far as books I didn't like go, parts of the latest ones come to mind. Maybe a sparce few parts of some earlier books too, but none that I can think of at the moment.
Edit: I didn't really mind the Helmacrons. If your people were more or less immortal, you probably wouldn't fear death either. The memories of the fallen just go towards the survivors.
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I hate The Mutation. The Nartec just plain do not fit in the Animorphs universe, I won't suspend my disbelief that much.
I also strongly dislike 42 and 44. Both were boring and pointless. 39 isn't boring, but it has major gaping plot holes...and the buffa-human.
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Hmm, I can't think of any books I HATED right now, though there were I couple I felt were a complete waste of my time. Can't remember which ones tough. Oh yeah, alternamorphs. But that's about all I can think of right now.
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What was the Mutation about, again?
I will agree the book with the Buffa-Human was weird, but I fu=igure it was supposed to be.
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Can't think of a book I thought was the worst off the top of my head. I'll have to do a re-read of the series over the summer.
But I'll just say, and probably get things thrown at me for it, that I wasn't too interested in/thrilled by the whole David trilogy. The whole "new team member goes evil" thing just didn't grab me. I don't know why, but it seemed overdone. Once I get around to the re-read I'll see if I can come up with a logical/reasonable list why I think so. *holds up SWAT shield and prepares for onslaught of tomatoes and other various objects*
As for the Helmacrons. I found them entertaining for a bit, then they got obnoxious. I found myself thinking "Oh just step on them for crying out loud! Get a fly swatter or something."
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The alternamorphs and The Ellimist Chronicles
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i loved the ellimist chronicles, and i liked the helmecrons
i really didn't like the one when david comes back
i didn't like the one when jake and his family go on vacation for grandpa G's funeral
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May I ask what about the mutation you disliked so much?
It was to unrealistic, even for the Animorphs universe. I also hated the Magic School Bus one.
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The Mutation did seem kind of pointless, except for the part at the end where they are talking about what the Nartec do with the bodies they find (preserve them in museums), and how if they don't like what the Nartec are doing, they should stop supplying them with bodies and weapons (which were obtained through the World Wars).
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I think Applegate could have done better with Davud's return as well. There's also a part about the book where Jake's family, including Tom, goes somewhere for four days to a funeral. It was the PERFECT time to make a "rescue Tom" mission. All they had to do was grab Tom when he was close to his three day limit, and starve the Yeerk. The other Yeerks would have no suspicions about a Yeerk just dying after a four day trip away from the pool.
They didn't even attempt it, though. Not as far as I can remember.
This is all in addition to the last book, which I won't even go into. I've already explained myself in that regard.
As far as books I didn't like go, parts of the latest ones come to mind. Maybe a sparce few parts of some earlier books too, but none that I can think of at the moment.
Edit: I didn't really mind the Helmacrons. If your people were more or less immortal, you probably wouldn't fear death either. The memories of the fallen just go towards the survivors.
Actually, they attempted that.... and the 4 day funeral? THAT WAS THE WORST CHANCE TO RESCUE TOM. It even forces the Yeerks to either infest Tom's dad, or kill him (see book 31). I mean, the Yeerk will never want to go there... and will plead and beg not to come... and if Jake's dad refuses.... down to the Yeerk Pool he goes. Jake actually almost lost it trying to save his dad WITHOUT killing Tom. ;)
Also, I believe the reverse about Rachel is false. The Return actually made Rachel's other side, shine... the lighter side of her. See, this book really had shown how much the others (not to mention the readers) view her as a psychotic killer, when what she actually doing is protection the other Animorphs from doing stuff that would destroy their souls (the dirty work). Rachel isn't purely doing for the thrill, just to protect the others. Its just that too much isn't good... and too much fighting made RAchel's dark side shine..
Also, the ending of The Return was awesome. I actually cried. If I was in Rachel's shoes.... I wouldn't have the guts to kill David.
But if I had to hate a book... it would have to be the Buffa-human book.... it was just.. so... wrong....
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I hated #39 (the buffa-human book) because it was too much like Megamorphs #1.
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Basically, it was MM#1 without Rachel having amnesia. And of course the legendary mighty morphing buffalo and ant. MM#1 was so much better. :)
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Yes, but after they left with Tom. Not before, when it would be risky.
I know they tried to distract the Yeerks by capturing Chapman, and succeeded, but after they sccessfully left with Tom they should have starved the Yeerk.
Instead they basically saved the Yeerk in Tom's head instead of killing it. I stand by my opinion that it was the best time. After they left town, though, not before, when Tom's Yeerk could have gotten some support.
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Yes, but after they left with Tom. Not before, when it would be risky.
I know they tried to distract the Yeerks by capturing Chapman, and succeeded, but after they sccessfully left with Tom they should have starved the Yeerk.
Instead they basically saved the Yeerk in Tom's head instead of killing it. I stand by my opinion that it was the best time. After they left town, though, not before, when Tom's Yeerk could have gotten some support.
well, after they left with Tom, at Grand G's house, Jake had thought the Yeerk had lost this battle AFTER they left the house. But, to Jake's dismay, Tom tried to kill his father to create an excuse to go home. The same way, after they leave, Tom will still try to find a way, and the Animorphs would not be able to do anything without revealing their identities. I mean, Andalites don't interfere with human families.
Plus, if Tom was suddenly free, then the Yeerks would hunt him down. Worse, they would hunt the rest of the Berenson family... then the rest would be easy. From Jake, going to his best friend Marco and his cousin Rachel. From Rachel to Cassie. Then Ax's and Tobias's places. If one of them was infested, so do the Hok-Bajir lose hope.
So, they had no choice to return everything to normal.
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not to mention the chee...
there's something I don't get. How does killing jake's dad save tom's yeerk from dying?
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When Tom goes after Jake's dad at the end of 31, he does it mostly for revenge. The Yeerks have pretty much given up on trying to save Tom and Tom wants to vent.
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what about when they were still in the city, like the night jake's dad was watering the lawn...
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i think number 19 is the one that makes me mad when im rereading, i think the helmacrons ones were funny not the best but funny. everyone seems to hate them though
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The book that didn't move the plot forward were the ones that annoyed me the most, such as plots that involved unless time traveling events a.k.a Oh I read a whole book and then non of it happened... etc etc
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not to mention the chee...
there's something I don't get. How does killing jake's dad save tom's yeerk from dying?
Umm... if Jake's dad dies... then there would be an excuse for Tom to stay for his dad's own funeral, right? Or stay in the hospital to "watch for" his dad while the rest of the family go to Grandpa G.
Chapman even tried to run him down with a machine gun..... coolness.... ;D
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if his dad is dead, there's no reason to stay in the hospital, and there's no guarantee his dad's funeral is in the same city. plus it could be that they first have Grandpa G's funeral, then his dad's. so the problem isn't really fixed. it could end up he was killed in vain.
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now that you mention that.... i'm having second thoughts...
But for Chapman to have Jake's dad gunned down... they may have a really good idea on how to make Tom stay instead.... ^^,
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if his dad is dead, there's no reason to stay in the hospital, and there's no guarantee his dad's funeral is in the same city. plus it could be that they first have Grandpa G's funeral, then his dad's. so the problem isn't really fixed. it could end up he was killed in vain.
The Point is that his mother is already out of town so if his Dad got shot or killed or whatever then he would have no one to tell him he HAD to go to Grandpa G's funeral.
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and after a day or two, his mom and grandparents start wondering where they are, then what?
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They would have obviously been informed of his fathers death and no one is going to say anything to a high school guy, who is inconsollable (sp?) and doesnt follow out to his grandfathers funeral, that just lost both his father and his grandfathe rin the same week
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hmm...I guess so...
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The book that didn't move the plot forward were the ones that annoyed me the most, such as plots that involved unless time traveling events a.k.a Oh I read a whole book and then non of it happened... etc etc
And maybe 28, when Visser Three tried to remove sentience from Humans. It wound up being impossible, so the whole life endangering mission was unessassary.
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#28 was one of my favourites and it's because of the same reason you hate the book.
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Yay! I'll applaud morfowt for that! I never hated any of the Ax's books.. and the Experiment was also one of my faves because of that senseless plot. Although from the start I already had doubts that human sentience can actually be removed... :)
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number 9 has to be one of the worst books. Its the books that are exercises in futility. The Tobias books are the best.
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#28 was one of my favourites and it's because of the same reason you hate the book.
I didn't mean to imply that I hated 28. It was definitely funny, infiltrating a slaughterhouse as a cow.
I was just giving a further example of a book that probably didn't continue the plot for the person I quoted.
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number 9 has to be one of the worst books. Its the books that are exercises in futility. The Tobias books are the best.
um, no number 9 was pretty good. I especially liked the part where they were taking care of the baby skunks.
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yea i didnt like 9 that much either, for being so early in the series it seemed like the first real filler book, and the ending was more silly kids series than any of the others, i mean come on spraying the bad guy with a skunk and then tricking him with grape juice or w/e tee hee, it was just a little too corny to keep up with the style of the other books
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well how would you have wanted it?
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gruesome bloody battle haha
i dno it just seemed a little cartoony
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yeah, I know. which was the best part. I don't need to read about how some knife is stuck in your stomach...
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I personally didn't care too much about the skunk babies, but what do you expect from one of Cassie's books? Saving the animals is her thing.
I loved the ending to that one. Very funny.
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Well, personally, i also like the book 9, though mostly after I finished the series. After the final arc, my soul just absorbed all the pains of the critical part of the war... enough to miss the "good times". When they still had time to hang out at the mall, take care of baby skunks...
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Well, personally, i also like the book 9, though mostly after I finished the series. After the final arc, my soul just absorbed all the pains of the critical part of the war... enough to miss the "good times". When they still had time to hang out at the mall, take care of baby skunks...
Yes, over time the books became more and more serious. We see fewer and fewer of the little hijinks like when Cassie morphed a mouse to run through a maze for a school project, or when Ax ate so many cinnamon buns that he got a sugar rush.
<She said I could have one. One bun? One tray? She didn't specify. I would not be at fault for any confusion.>
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I thought he also had a stomach-ache.
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I thought he also had a stomach-ache.
Maybe. I don't remember all the details.Maybe that's part of the reason I like the earlier books more than the later ones. I never really thought of the series as a serious war story. Part of the fun of reading was all that other stuff that distracted from the brutal fighting and such.
I think that may have been what I tried to say earlier in the thread. It's like the series started as a kid's book, and slowly gravitated to an adult's book. Does that make sense?
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Actually, the cinnabon bun thing was confusing for the group. Ax seemed to had both Sugar rush AND stomach ache... ^^
Probably he didn't have a refreshing bottle of beverage known as vinegar to wash it down.... ;D
Well... it just starts out light. The reason it's called a kid's book because it is easy to read. There is a certain kids book that was banned because it contained content for kids.
Also, most nursery rhymes have "adult" meanings. Ring around the Roses? Depicts the bubonic plague AFAIK....
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I still hate #36: The Mutation to this day. Atlantis does not fit in with Animorphs, and I did not find it to be believable in their Universe. In fact, it was the one book that almost made me quit Animorphs permanently (This was around the time when the series seemed to be starting to drag, with upcoming filler books being thrown in here and there). I kept away for about a month before re-reading it as #37 came out.
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Hmm, then it's probably a good thing I decided not to read that one.
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Actually, the cinnabon bun thing was confusing for the group. Ax seemed to had both Sugar rush AND stomach ache... ^^
Probably he didn't have a refreshing bottle of beverage known as vinegar to wash it down.... ;D
Well... it just starts out light. The reason it's called a kid's book because it is easy to read. There is a certain kids book that was banned because it contained content for kids.
Also, most nursery rhymes have "adult" meanings. Ring around the Roses? Depicts the bubonic plague AFAIK....
Yeah, I know about the nursery rhymes and stuff. Wierd that they told children that stuff back then.
What book was banned for having content for kids?
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Ermm.. it was, again, a mistake in typing.. sorry... must have dozed off...
I mean, it was a kids book... with kids language and stuff similar to the way Animorphs was written. but it was banned because of some stuff i don't have to mention. I think it was "Of mice and men" or " Mice and Maximillian". I read excerpts from both... but I'm not really sure... Either of those two... =)
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I still hate #36: The Mutation to this day. Atlantis does not fit in with Animorphs, and I did not find it to be believable in their Universe. In fact, it was the one book that almost made me quit Animorphs permanently (This was around the time when the series seemed to be starting to drag, with upcoming filler books being thrown in here and there). I kept away for about a month before re-reading it as #37 came out.
I totally agree. #36 through #44, those were some hard times. Atlantis, psycho-leader Rachel, buffa-human, Magic School Bus, freaking Australia...so much plot advancement in those books. Even though 41 was an engaging read, I disliked it in retrospect because it was so unexplained. But I like it now. #38 was good, #40 was ehh, and #43 was great.
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ugh 36 was just god awful, probably the worst of them all, not only was the plot just not animorphs, but the ghostwriter just didnt have the tone of jake down at all, just a complete miss
edit and what do you know, its the only book that author ghostwrote lol
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I don't know. I kinda liked #36. what I don't get is why did they have to acquire killer whales? they already have squid morphs and those should be able to travel deeper than killer whales.
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I *hate* the suspicion and the extreme. Both to me were so bad that I had to force myself to finish them. I disliked them a lot!
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43 didn't give as much Tobias insight as I would have liked. The others were more interesting. Plus Cassie is barely in the book and her state of mind is only explained quickly at the end. They could have done more with her. Plus the whole Taylor in love with Tobias thing seemed a little weird. I mean 33 was really weird especially with the pain and pleasure SM thing that it starting to veer towards.
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43 didn't give as much Tobias insight as I would have liked. The others were more interesting. Plus Cassie is barely in the book and her state of mind is only explained quickly at the end. They could have done more with her. Plus the whole Taylor in love with Tobias thing seemed a little weird. I mean 33 was really weird especially with the pain and pleasure SM thing that it starting to veer towards.
I never really understood the ending part with Cassie. I think she was crying about something, but I never understood why.
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I think it has to do with killing all the controllers at that station...
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the books i disliked most were books w/too much cassie. i know, there are gonna be ppl here who disagree with me. but oh well. she pissed me off, plain and simple. ALL THOUGH, i loved book #14 and #24. they were hilarious. sure it was cuz of marco, but still. awesome reads. to me the last book was the worst, i hate things that dont end. if its an ending, it should end. not introduce a new topic like there is gonna be a sequel, but then have no sequel. i dk, i kinda liked the mutation, not my fave, but not my most disliked either. cassie in australia was lame, wasn't a fan much. book 43 wasn't well written enuf i think. the idea behind it was good, but the author just didn't know know to expand on it and explain it well.
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yeah number 44 i think was by far the worst
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what's wrong with #44?
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what's wrong with #44?
Yea, I know, what's with everyone not liking it much?
I'm kinda biased being Australian I guess, hehe
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I never really liked #2...the two friends in real life that care about Animorphs I have liked it though and are mad at me. One of them just likes every book and the other is a huge Rachel fan...But, Michael said it sucked (on steroids) so that doesn't make me feel bad about hating it.
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I never really liked #2...the two friends in real life that care about Animorphs I have liked it though and are mad at me. One of them just likes every book and the other is a huge Rachel fan...But, Michael said it sucked (on steroids) so that doesn't make me feel bad about hating it.
I read #2 recently, and don't think it was bad at all.
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#2 was fairly good for an early book.
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Meh... they probably hated it for the lack of Rachel-battle-scene. But its one of the earlier books, and like morfowt said, its pretty good for one.
It depicts the effects of Yeerk infestation in the family... kind of important in the series... :)
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what's wrong with #44?
Yea, I know, what's with everyone not liking it much?
I'm kinda biased being Australian I guess, hehe
ya, its def the biased thing :P
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#44 isn't really that bad.... not too good... but it wasn't bad either.. I kinda liked the first parts of the book.. where Cassie gets a lot of action LOL. ;D
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what's wrong with #44?
Yea, I know, what's with everyone not liking it much?
I'm kinda biased being Australian I guess, hehe
It's kind of funny that you would think this, since you normally can't stand that everyone thinks you already hang around with kangaroos. Then Animorphs goes and does the stereotypical thing and puts them in everywhere, with boomerang fighting locals too, of all things, lol :P
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Meh... they probably hated it for the lack of Rachel-battle-scene. But its one of the earlier books, and like morfowt said, its pretty good for one.
It depicts the effects of Yeerk infestation in the family... kind of important in the series... :)
Granted it did not show real kickbutt action with Rachel, but it does show what the Yeerks are doing to families.
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what's wrong with #44?
Yea, I know, what's with everyone not liking it much?
I'm kinda biased being Australian I guess, hehe
It's kind of funny that you would think this, since you normally can't stand that everyone thinks you already hang around with kangaroos. Then Animorphs goes and does the stereotypical thing and puts them in everywhere, with boomerang fighting locals too, of all things, lol :P
Lol, I guess.. I just thought it was cool being set in Australia
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# 42 suck-diddily-ucked
and 19 wasn't bad but the last line in it pisses me of off so much I could just....do... something.....
maybe I just don't like split stories out of the MM but yeah. 42=wtf
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I don't like #42 either but my reason is because it has helmacrons in it. I absoluetly hate the helmacrons. If there weren't helmacrons, that book would be one of my favourites.
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I wasn't crazy about The Experiment. Kind of annoying, not really worth reading in my opinion.
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are you kidding? #28 was great. How ironic at the end they didn't even have to do anything to stop the plan. and the scene where cassie turns out to be right was funny.
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My least favorites:
1. #42 The Journey
2. The Ellimist Chronicles
3. #44 The one about Australia
4. #39 The one about the buffalo
5. #37 The Weakness
I think reasons for 42, 44 and 39 are covered quite enough here. I hate TEC because it just seems like a different universe that has nothing to with Animorphs. It read like a bargain bin sci-fi book. There were some cool ideas, but the overall "What's the point of this?" feeling left me cold. The Weakness had a pretty good idea with putting Rachel in charge, but the situation was incredibly bland (Visser Three's new feeding spot! Let's wreak havoc!) and the writing was really sub par. Rachel as leader didn't seem to weigh enough in the story for it to be powerful.
Why did Cassie and Rachel get so many of the worst books, anyway?
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Up to around #30, the series is quite good. Once some of the ghost writers come in it goes either way. So my shortlist would be:
#31 is ....meh. It has some good parts, but otherwise I'm not to interested in it.
#36 is .... It's okay. I love the idea of an "Atlantis" type place, but in the Animorphs Universe?
#37 .... No comment. I mean it's a good plot, but badly and hastily written. My LEAST favourite book.
#39 .... Eh .... ::)
After 40, there are some awesome stories.
But ....
42 .... It's sort of been overdone, storywise. But it's okay.
48 .... Oh man, I cannot stand this book. I think I might have only read it that one time, because I'm looking at it now and it's in pristine condition.
The last few books were good, had few problems with them. Although #54 was a little disturbing. I loved all of the Chronicles (Ellimist is odd, but has some interesting imagery) and Megamorphs.
Alternamorphs I never even bothered with.
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Thats okay, nobody else bothered with them either. They are like the ultimate sell out books. Total prostitution of the work.
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My list of least favourite books are:
#24 - The helmacrons were just annoying
#42 - Same reason, although the plot was kinda cool so I gave it a few more points
#39 - Was way too much like Megamorphs #1.
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I never liked The Attack because I always saw it as superfluous. So there is a race that the yeerks MAY become. Whoopty crap. Every other lesson in the book was learned elsewhere. On a good note, I'm rereading the series and all the ghostwritten books surrounding it make me realize how great MM4 is.
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The Attack was one of my favorites, plus it covers the "dream" Jake had in book 6. The Attack, in my opinion, is one of the great curves in the development of the Arcs, introducing Crayak, and the personal war between Howlers and Chee. And yeah, the almighty Iskoort. ;D
The only book I diskliked was the one with the Buffa-human. I mean, Nartec was okay.... Helmacrons were okay.... Australia was okay... but buffa-Chapman and Ant-Cassie? Definitely NOT okay.
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The attack is my 3rd favorite book.
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My issue with The Attack and Crayak in general is that it makes that scene Jake saw in 6 no longer open to interpretation. I always thought the yeerk was going to hell. The Attack was also just a weird book.
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so think the yeerk went to hell. what does that have to do with the revelation of crayak?
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Well, it means that the scene Jake saw wasn't hell. I thought originally that Jake had Glimpse the Yeerk going to hell.
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Well, I dunno... do Yeerks have a god? Anyway... some people say 48 wreaks, but, I dunno, I loved that book... Explains the other side to Rachel, that she isn't just some bloodthirsty warrior as the other Animorphs describe her.
I've reread number 47, and before, I hated the Fitzenhenry parts... but now, I've come to like it. Fits well with Jake's scenario in the book... :)
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I skipped the Fitzenhenry parts. #48, I don't know. Half the time I couldn't tell what was real, what was a dream, and what was memory.
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Well, I dunno... do Yeerks have a god? Anyway... some people say 48 wreaks, but, I dunno, I loved that book... Explains the other side to Rachel, that she isn't just some bloodthirsty warrior as the other Animorphs describe her.
I've reread number 47, and before, I hated the Fitzenhenry parts... but now, I've come to like it. Fits well with Jake's scenario in the book... :)
I loved #47 and don't see why people dislike it at all. The war scenes were an interesting parallel, even if they were a tad unrealistic. It was a nice idea, unseen anywhere else in the series, but it fit. Also, the battle between the free Hork-Bajir and the Yeerks was awesome.
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yes! And the battle between Fitzenhenry's 3 dozen troops versus the hundred General Forrest's troops were awesome. Kinda symbolizes the few hork-bajir vs. the vast Yeerk Army.
plus, Jake couldn't decide whether to let the Hork-Bajir fight, just like Fitzenhenry couldn't decide whether to let the Trekkie humans fight with them in the losing battle. The only difference though, is that in the end, Fitzenhenry lost his war. Jake won his.
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Yea I'm not sure if I really liked book 47,c oz of all the Fitzhenry parts..
I can't think of any others I don't like..
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I think it is a must read, I'm not American, I know squat about the Civil war. Yet I enjoyed it. I think Americans at least should enjoy it too.... :)
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nah. I care about history and the civil war like I care about some guy that ate chocolate. And it's not just because I'm living in China. I lived in america for 7 years which is more than half of my life.
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I'm not a big fan of cliffhangers.
Then you're on the wrong forum lol
Personaly, The Ellimist Chronicles were just flat-out boring.
as for the main books, #9 and #31 sucked
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what's wrong with #9?
the ellimist chronicles...well the first time I guess it would be boring. It was boring to me. But re-reading it, it became more interesting. Have you re-read it?
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The last part is ok, but the first part is torture.I've re-read it about 3 times.
and #9 was a perfect example of Cassie's Bullcrap. Her Spraying Homer was kinda funny, but getting almost trapped in skunk morph ove a bunch of damn kits? rediculous.
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hey, they were cute
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true, but not worth risking the fate of the human race over
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Cassie was still 13 by then... 13 yr. old people are not yet that matured yet. Cassie loves animals more than most humans, so she must have felt she was protecting something important to her.
Plus, what is the point of saving the world if you don't get to spend it with the things/people/animals you love? right? :)
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i agree with u tinshadow. #9 was ridiculous. but to me cassie just got worse as the series progressed. another book i hated was the last one. oh wells. if i ignore book 50 to the end, i love most every book in the series.
ellimist chronicles bored me even the second time around. not my type of book
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Cassie becoming Aftran's controller in #19 was what crossed the line for me.
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dude me too! tinshadow, ur cool
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lol when I was reading the ultimate, when cassie bites jake, I was so mad that I threw the book and it hit my sister :woot2: :evilgrin27:
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y hit the sister tho?
but ya cassie pissed me off in book 50. ppl will argue, but she did. she ruined book 50 for me
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I didn't mean to hit her lol
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i hope nots
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>:D
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book #9 was terrible ( they blackmailed Visser 3 with grape juice which is idiotic) also book #36 was ridiculous, a modern submarine is made out of steel and wouldnt be damaged by angry whales and the yeerks are way more advanced. Also the whole idea of an entire underwater civilization woulda worked better if they were zapped sumwhere else in the galaxy, having them on earth was just out of place >:(
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My personal Bottom 5 (in no particular order):
1. #28
2. #39
3. #48
4. #42
5. #44
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Why didn't you like The Journey? It's one of my favorites.
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I didn't like the journey because it has helmacrons in it. without the helmacrons, that'd be in my top 10 favourite.
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The Helmacrons were actually pretty funny in #24, but they crossed the line into annoying in #42, imo.
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For me, the worst book is easily The Beginning, #54. That wretched book has haunted me. Seriously, every time I think about it... I also hated the casual way KA talked about Rachel: "Oh, yes, poor Rachel." ARGH! I understand the main message in the series was "war is hell" but the good guys lost so much...
Also, I hated The Return, #48. I felt like I was in a bad dream; the reader didn't know what was real and what wasn't. It was lousy. Plus, not knowing Rachel's decision was incredibly annoying.
I also disliked MM #4. It was too depressing and the cover (inside and out) made me want to vomit.
Actually, pretty much every book from #49 and up I despised. The new kids on the cover... knowing the series was coming to an end... those months reading crappy book after crappy book... that was a bad time.
Book #54 is the devil!!!
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For me, the worst book is easily The Beginning, #54. That wretched book has haunted me. Seriously, every time I think about it... I also hated the casual way KA talked about Rachel: "Oh, yes, poor Rachel." ARGH! I understand the main message in the series was "war is hell" but the good guys lost so much...
Also, I hated The Return, #48. I felt like I was in a bad dream; the reader didn't know what was real and what wasn't. It was lousy. Plus, not knowing Rachel's decision was incredibly annoying.
I also disliked MM #4. It was too depressing and the cover (inside and out) made me want to vomit.
Actually, pretty much every book from #49 and up I despised. The new kids on the cover... knowing the series was coming to an end... those months reading crappy book after crappy book... that was a bad time.
Book #54 is the devil!!!
I liked MM 4 when I got older, but I second 48.
The idea was great, but the way it was implemented just didn't work out. It was badly written and you'd think that KA would be bothered to write such an important book herself or at least read over it for longer than five minutes.
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When I am doing my occasional read through of the series I find myself not even bothering with a few of the books. Most notably Cassie's books...Some of her adventures just don't do it for me. From a dumb buffalo human hybrid to getting lost in Australia. I even find myself not enjoying number nineteen like I used too.
What book or books in the series do you find yourself passing over?
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I wasn't a fan of 36, where they morph killer whale and end up diving into some place filled with fish people. Or however it went. Other than that I like 'em all!
-merged with Worst Animorph Book-
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*Police mode*
A thread already exists about that - even if I understand you didn't see it, 'coz it was pretty far on the list of thread:
http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,322.0.html (http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,322.0.html)
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My bad XD. I shoulda looked into the earlier post. Feel free to delete it if you think it is needed. I don't wanna overcrowd the forum.
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I'm just in the RAFpolice, not a Mod, so I just can help but not delete it. A Mod will eventually pass by and lock you thread.
And don't worry, I don't look at all the old thread when I wanna create a new one ^^' Just I remembered the old thread about that. And on the Animorphs board, almost all the subjects were begun in a thread or 2 =_=' So except if you have very new/strange ideas or an idea about something very precise, you'll already have a thread about what you wanna say ^^'
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Without a doubt, my least-favorite Animorph book is Megamorphs 2: "Dinosaurs are Marketable!" That's the one Animorphs book I wish would die in a fire.
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I suppose my most disliked books are the ones I don't remember so well. Mostly located later in the series. With the exception of the last one, which I really hate, and also remember quite well.
Anyway, the ones I don't remember too well are likely ones I only read once before the series ended.
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god I totally agree about Cassie's books. I just read the buffa-human one again and I could barely get through it. IT'S 30 PAGES SHORTER THAN THE AVERAGE BOOK.
I mean, I think the basic thing is, the ones that BLATANTLY AND UNAPOLOGETICALLY contradicted something that had already happened in canon. The buffa-human, for example, should have been ENTIRELY IMPOSSIBLE since it's well established in the first decade of books that concentration is completely vital for a morph to work, and it's very easy to get distracted. Not to mention the hypocrisy within the book "oh the poor buffa-human it's not his fault he's a freak now let's nurture him and try to teach him english OH MY GOD THAT ANT MORPHED ME KILL IT KILL IT LET IT BURN IN THE FIRES OF A THOUSAND HELLS AHHHH"
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I think I had a hard time going through the book too. It was just too weird. I call Discontinuity.
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i know its not cannon or whatever, but alternamorphs 2 pissed me off with how bad the characterization of the animorphs was, im pretty sure vegemorphs did a better job.
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I didn't like #7, don ask me why, it seemed like nothing really happened, except that they destroyed the kandrona which they had to pay for later.
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Wasn't the Ellimist introduced in #7? That was kinda important. :P
Actually I don't think I liked that book all that much either. The whole relocation-to-another-planet thing was weird.
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I didn't like the one where Jake goes away, and Rachel's in charge. Her character seemed all wrong. :-\
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Ugh, buffa-human. I dunno about the worst ones (as 11 was pretty bad), but continuity-wise, I feel like Cassie contributed the least. Too much morality, too little contribution from the books with her POV. #4 brings in Ax, which is obviously important, but beyond that she doesn't add much. #9 (with the logging company) had the skunk kits drowning out the actual story, #14 stated in the actual text that it was all a useless mission, #19 sees her turn her back on the Animorphs, #24 has Helmacrons, etc, etc. Until #50, all we really see is bleeding heart sentimentality. I just wish Cassie's books had added more to the storyline.
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Yeah, I thought all of the Helmachron books were the worst.
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Ugh ugh ugh, I just finished #39, and I want some brain-bleach and a blowtorch. UNCLEAN! UNCLEAN!
Honestly, how out of character was their plan? There's a helicopter that needs to be destroyed. We can't go inside it, because there might be Taxxons and Hork-Bajir in there! And they're dangerous! So, instead, LET'S DROP A WHALE ON IT!!! I mean, what could possibly go wrong? Not only do helicopters, in fact, move, as was seen in the book, but they have these little blades on top that might possibly tend to hurt when you land on them. Just maybe.
The Animorphs have come up with some pretty hare-brained schemes in their time, but that one took the cake for sheer "What were you thinking?!" ridiculousity.
I was bothered by #37, too. Yes, yes, we get it, Rachel is reckless. But the key point, which they totally missed, is that she is only reckless with her own life. She would never flagrantly risk the other Animorphs' lives the way she did in that book. That made me mad, when she wouldn't even listen to Marco trying to tell her "Hey, yanno, we could all die. Just sayin'." The Rachel from the rest of the books would have listened to him.
I didn't have a problem with the first helmacron book, actually. At that point, they were even kinda cute, in a totally lunatic kind of way. Sure, they seemed to be there mostly for comic relief, but they were still an interesting race.
The second helmacron book (which I'm re-reading now) always struck me as being too contrived. Like they were just looking for a way to get the Animorphs to go inside the human body, and the whole plot was basically just an excuse to stage a Magic School Bus field trip. Nothing against Magic School Bus. But it, and Animorphs, were never meant to mix.
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MM4! It's so boring that it should be used for torture in the prisons. It didnt even happen in the end...
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Perhaps, but in the same vein as #41 (didn't really happen), it does show the interation between our choices and reality. Does nothing for the continuity, but it does bring up certain personality traits and expresses that everything results from individual action, not fate-tied events.
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Actually, #41 was probably one of the worst for me... There was absolutely no closure with that one... who knows what actually happened, and do we ever see those cool, "clear"-bodied aliens again??? Noooo... >:(
I think Alternamorphs 2 was the worst for me... I never did shake the feeling that I was supposed to be David... and that just doesn't sit well with me. :no:
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Actually, I really liked both #41, and Megamorphs #4.
I just re-read #41 recently, in fact, and I think it even ranks among my favorite books of all time. It's really a very profound book, so long as you don't try too hard to make sense out of it. I've decided that the whole thing was probably just a dream sequence, and, while that particular tactic is seen as a "cheat" by a lot of books (to pull the 'it was all a dream' twist is all-too-often a cop-out to save an un-resolvable plot), I think it worked very well in this book. It shows a lot of insight into Jake's character, just by way of the fact that he even has dreams like that.
Megamorphs #4 wasn't nearly as high on my favorites list as #41, in fact I might be inclined to think that it was too much a "worst-case scenario" to be very realistic. Still, I wouldn't quite call it boring, or suggest it to be used for torture. It showed that the Animorphs couldn't have had normal lives outside the war, which is an important point, although the book could certainly have made it better. It was a little too "Murphy's law," if you know what I mean.
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You mean, like, Tobias a controller, Rachel and Marco dating, dogs and cats living together, MASS HYSTERIA!!
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You mean, like, Tobias a controller, Rachel and Marco dating, dogs and cats living together, MASS HYSTERIA!!
Yes, that's exactly what I mean.
Not to mention, we're talking about a world in which Ax liked Oreos instead of Cinnamon buns, here! Oh, the insanity!
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That doesn't seem too insane to me...
I'd rather have Oreos than Cinnamon Buns ANY day! ;D
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Yeah, I loved #41! It was like those "what would happen if they failed?" books. I love those, it gives you more drive to hope that they win.
Megamorphs #4 I thought was more interesting than pointless.
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They were both very interesting... I guess I just kinda wish she'd done more with 41... I felt that it was out of place in the series... like it was... incomplete... if that makes any sense...
Alternamorphs 2... prolly... Though I liked the Alternamorphs idea... and the first one was one of my favorites.
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Well, I think #41 was mostly just a vision into the failed future, it wasn't supposed to be any more than that.
Yeah, I liked the thought of being an alternate David, but those alternamorph books were just too flawed.
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Please explain what you mean by "flawed"?
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It sounds good in theory, but they didn't execute it well.
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Yeah, you're probably right...
But I still like the first one, because it formed the basis for this story I started to write... basically an alternate Animorphs "What If" they had had that sixth Animorph...
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Problem in my mind was that they had about 140 pages, and nearly 8 different endings. What we ended up with was a situation where no set of events was explored in depth, so it didn't have the connections it should. Alternamorphs tried to be too many things to too many people, and failed for many of the fans who enjoyed the in-depth story lines and complexity of the characters. They sacrificed too much to include the readers, when we were all captivated to begin with.
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Exactly, good theory, horrible execution.
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I see your points Spartan and HA3. As a part of the series, it did fail to live up to expectations...
IIIIIIII... still like it. ::)
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The one with the super Rachel or whatever you call it. I think I skimmed through the book in 15 minutes or so. Now that was awful. ::) The other one with Fitzhenry too, I read the first few chapters of his story then I skipped them all. Boring.
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I don't know if I posted in this thread before, but 31 springs to mind. It strikes me as the book with one or two of the biggest plot holes. Yes I'm aware that Yeerks die if they don't feed every three days, and this was going to be a four day trip. However, it's established that Tom's Yeerk was reasonably important and there were small portable Kandrona machines that important people use. Could he not pull any strings to borrow one just this once? Did Yeerks really never have any contingency plans for travelers? If all else failed, could he not have some people follow him and switch Yeerks? I don't know how Yeerks feel about others borrowing their hosts, but it's better than starving to death.
Also I don't think Jake ever thought that this was a great time to plan a rescue. It should be easy. Starve the Yeerk out and have Tom fake a suicide. The Yeerks would believe that Tom committed suicide, and would have no reason to believe the bandits were involved in the Yeerk's death? Why would they if they never made plans for the even of a four + day trip away from the main pool complex?
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I can forgive the entirety of #31's stupid plot because it has some of the best Marco/Jake interactions in the series. Through most of the series we spend a lot of time being told they're BFF's, but #31 both shows us a bit of that while showing us how much it's changed. Also, when paired with #30, it sets up interesting parallels between their characters.
#41, on the other hand, has no excuse. "I just nearly sentenced Rachel and Marco to death and then had a freaky dream...better call and apologize to Cassie, 'cuz I hurt her feelings!". What a head-desking conclusion to a book that did nothing but set up the Yeerk future as generically miserable and boring.
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Character development was good to have. Kind of the silver lining in 31, I guess.
I actually found it amusing the way Cassie acted in 41.
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The Mutation DDDDDDDDDDDD: THERE ARE NO FACES SAD ENOUGH FOR THE MUTATION. EVER.
However, I wasn't a big fan of The Underground. Or The Reaction. The Helmacron books I like because they're ridiculous, but I mean I know they're stupid. I could go on but I think as an Animorph fan one of the many realities is simply we're also the biggest critics.
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you're not a true star wars fan unless you hate star wars