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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Homer on January 07, 2009, 11:50:47 AM
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As i read the series i noticed many errors throughout the book:
1. In book 1, jake is able to thought speak to tobias even though he is in human form
2. thoughout the whole series: inconsistencies in Andalites not understanding humour; some Andalites have humour, some don't even know what humour is.
3. it is not mentioned how Yeerks find their hosts again once in the pool, since according to Ax in book 6 Yeerks are blind in natural state, and cannot even see the animorphs standing right beside the Yeerk pool, and according to book 29 Yeerks fire some kind of echolocation that helps them 'see' vaguely, but not clearly enough to see the faces of people (if the echolocation thing is clear enough then in book 6 the animorphs would have been seen when standing beside the Yeerk pool)
4. ebooks have many errors in spelling
etc... ....
Do post and discuss more errors in the series here! [youtube][spoiler][/spoiler][/youtube]
note: do make a note if you are going to reveal any plot spoilers. thanks. the above are NOT spoilers since they don't really affect the plot in any way.
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_ In book 18, Ax is shocked to see that the Visserk can morph into a bird from his planet.
It's weird that he is shocked when you know that this bird is the first animal into which little andalites morph ...
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_ In book 18, Ax is shocked to see that the Visserk can morph into a bird from his planet.
It's weird that he is shocked when you know that this bird is the first animal into which little andalites morph ...
yea it makes sense cos alloran (the andalite controlled by visser 3) probably already aquired the kafit bird when he was a kid...
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I've seen plenty of times where the Animorphs in morph talk like: "blah". Or where the just demorphed Animorphs talk like: <blah>.
Vice-versa for Ax, obviously.
Still throws me for a loop.
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As i read the series i noticed many errors throughout the book:
1. In book 1, jake is able to thought speak to tobias even though he is in human form
2. thoughout the whole series: inconsistencies in Andalites not understanding humour; some Andalites have humour, some don't even know what humour is.
I know! For Number One it didn't make sense how he could thoughtspeak and then later, they made it clear how you could only do it in morph :P
Also, I just started reading that book where it's in Elfangor's p.o.v., and he seems to understand sarcasm and other things that Ax explained to be "human". I was under the impression that the Andalites didn't have any sense of humor or anything.
ebooks aren't the only ones with grammer mistakes, a lot of the books had grammer mistakes/punctuation mistakes.
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thoughout the whole series: inconsistencies in Andalites not understanding humour; some Andalites have humour, some don't even know what humour is.
So just like humans in that way, then?
4. ebooks have many errors in spelling
Are you offering to fix them?
it is not mentioned how Yeerks find their hosts again once in the pool, since according to Ax in book 6 Yeerks are blind in natural state, and cannot even see the animorphs standing right beside the Yeerk pool, and according to book 29 Yeerks fire some kind of echolocation that helps them 'see' vaguely, but not clearly enough to see the faces of people (if the echolocation thing is clear enough then in book 6 the animorphs would have been seen when standing beside the Yeerk pool)
They could be like Sharks, in the sense that they can feel the vibrations in the water.
Also, I just started reading that book where it's in Elfangor's p.o.v., and he seems to understand sarcasm and other things that Ax explained to be "human". I was under the impression that the Andalites didn't have any sense of humor or anything.
Because he had been with them for awhile by this point, and he's started to pick up on various human traits.
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These are small errors that have been brought up too many times to count. SOme of them, such as Jake using thought speech as a human in book 1, are commonly referred to as KASUs (Katherine Applegate Screw Ups). It's a term she came up with herself to identify mistakes she made in continuity or times when she just changed her mind about something (eg. humans using thought speech).
KA wasn't perfect, but nobody is and I challenge anyone to write such a long book series without making any mistakes.
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haha i know.
4. ebooks have many errors in spelling
maybe it was spelled like that IN the actual book?
if not, i'll proofread some and fix them if you want ;)
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I forget if it was book 2 or 3, but on page 124 of one of those books, someone began a thought speak ( < ) but ended speaking normally ( " ). It was fairly amusing. I'll have to find it when I have time.
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Given the length of the series, there are quite a few. I kinda think it only human and given the amount of people a single book would have had to go through, I think it virtually i-m-p-o-s-s-i-b-l-e to have an impecable work. I imagine, ALL the other big time Young Adult book series have just as many errors!
That being said, has there been a list of the K.A.S.U.s??
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But... aren't editors supposed to proofread stories and... proof it? lol
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k.a. isn't perefect. neither are the proofreaders. besides, do the proofreaders actually read the books to find continuity errors? I figured they only find things like grammar errors.
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That being said, has there been a list of the K.A.S.U.s??
there are some fansites that have a list of them
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I am interested in seeing them listed. Can anyone paste them in for discussion?!
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These are small errors that have been brought up too many times to count. SOme of them, such as Jake using thought speech as a human in book 1, are commonly referred to as KASUs (Katherine Applegate Screw Ups). It's a term she came up with herself to identify mistakes she made in continuity or times when she just changed her mind about something (eg. humans using thought speech).
KA wasn't perfect, but nobody is and I challenge anyone to write such a long book series without making any mistakes.
Stephen King did it when he wrote the Dark Tower series. It is an epic containing a story length roughly the length of Animorphs as well. How did he manage to make practically 0 mistakes? By planning for the story for 20+ years. And by proof reading the manuscripts countless times. K.A Applegate probably didn't proofread her stories, which is why the animorphs series don't have the 'polished' feel, unlike the everworld series.
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roughly the length of Animorphs as well.
Animorphs is longer. Even though they're smaller in length, if you were to add them all together, I'm pretty damn sure it's longer then the Dark Tower series.
How did he manage to make practically 0 mistakes?
He didn't. He actually had to go back and re-write the first novel a few years ago, and then re-release it, because it contradicted so much in the later novels.
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I forget if it was book 2 or 3, but on page 124 of one of those books, someone began a thought speak ( < ) but ended speaking normally ( " ). It was fairly amusing. I'll have to find it when I have time.
"yeah, i've noticed a few endings or starting though-speak>
bugs bug me. :nerd:
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I ignore the ones were people out of morph use thought-speak and vice versa. I figure she's not forgetting what state they're in, she's just hitting the wrong keys. I write Animorph fan fiction and I make that mistake a lot.
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I forget if it was book 2 or 3, but on page 124 of one of those books, someone began a thought speak ( < ) but ended speaking normally ( " ). It was fairly amusing. I'll have to find it when I have time.
Neither, i just went and looked in both books and in book 2 only one thing is said in thought speech and thats jake when he is in flea mode on rachel's back and no one thought speaks at all on page 124 of book 3
And throught all the books ive read (1 through to 6 :P) its mentioned in every book how there clothes rip and they don't wear shoes yet down in the corner when you can flick the pages and watch them morph and on the front covers they're all fully clothed with shoes on all though i spose it wouldn't look that good if there were people in skin tight clothes on every cover now would it?
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David B, Mattingly (the cover artist) was well aware of that. Therefore, it's not exactly an error cuz it was done purposely.
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Be careful looking for KASU lists online, some are wildly inaccurate. Like there's one that lists David watching Buffy on a Thursday as one because 'Buffy wasn't on Thursdays', when in fact there are at least three districts that ran Buffy reruns on Thursdays during that time. Not to mention the whole thing about the alien calanders in the Hork-Bajir Chronicles being inconsistant, something I personally proved was not true with the power of Math!
On a semi-related note, I also used math to show that if the ant eater morph they acquired when they were tiny sized up realitive to the ani's sized, then the morph would be almost two miles long. It's in the RAFcast and somewhere on the forum. (Search "Math it's what's for dinner")
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once again its the covers that get to me. And this time its the hair of characters. Tobias in the book has blond crazy hair, but on the cover he has "tidy" dark hair, i mean like come on they compensated for Marco when he got a hair cut but cant get the colour of another one right? same as the show Tobias had dark "tidy" hair.
It's the little things that get to me :P
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These are small errors that have been brought up too many times to count. SOme of them, such as Jake using thought speech as a human in book 1, are commonly referred to as KASUs (Katherine Applegate Screw Ups). It's a term she came up with herself to identify mistakes she made in continuity or times when she just changed her mind about something (eg. humans using thought speech).
KA wasn't perfect, but nobody is and I challenge anyone to write such a long book series without making any mistakes.
Stephen King did it when he wrote the Dark Tower series. It is an epic containing a story length roughly the length of Animorphs as well. How did he manage to make practically 0 mistakes? By planning for the story for 20+ years. And by proof reading the manuscripts countless times. K.A Applegate probably didn't proofread her stories, which is why the animorphs series don't have the 'polished' feel, unlike the everworld series.
Actually I noticed a tonne of spelling/grammar mistakes when I read Stephen King...
But, I notice them more than most people. They bug me out on the OCD level...
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The only thing that bothered me was that Marco's mom was "dead for two years" and then later we find out they were fighting the yeerk,s for two years. 2+2=4 <-- by the end of the series that's how long she should have been presumed dead.
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Why does that bother you?
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_ In book 18, Ax is shocked to see that the Visserk can morph into a bird from his planet.
It's weird that he is shocked when you know that this bird is the first animal into which little andalites morph ...
And that wasn't even the first time. I'm really tired about this too. I thought Ax would be smarter then that
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which one is right?
1) horkbajir make a war every 62 year (book eight)
2) horkbajir never kill each other until yeerk arrival (horkbajir chronicle, Dak Quote: "Shut up andalite, it is not your race that will kill each other"-well, something like that)
CMIIW :)
(please don't double-post)
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Why does that bother you?
Because the whole time I thought they were only fighting for a few months like 8 or so, not two whole freaking years.
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^ I thought it was a three-year war. o0 I could be wrong.
_ In book 18, Ax is shocked to see that the Visserk can morph into a bird from his planet.
It's weird that he is shocked when you know that this bird is the first animal into which little andalites morph ...
yea it makes sense cos alloran (the andalite controlled by visser 3) probably already aquired the kafit bird when he was a kid...
When Aldrea was a kid in HBC, and Alloran was an officer and an adult, the morphing technology was described by her as being 'new'; if I remember right, it wasn't thoroughly tested at that point and she only had it because she had a friend whose parents worked with the technology. I don't think they had it when Alloran was a kid, therefore, he wouldn't have morphed the Kafit for fun. It makes sense for Ax to be surprised by Esplin having the morph.
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I just started re-reading the series from the beginning, and there are tons and tons of errors. One thing that really struck me was this line in book one:
"four Andalites, standing all together, looking like a strange gathering of deer with solemn faces. Two of them looked very small--kids. I realized this was a picture of the Andalite's family." p. 20
I've read the first book a few times now, and that line never stuck out at me before because I just figured it was Ax + Elfangor and their parents, but for some reason, this time, I realized that was Elfangor's wife and kids. Elfangor's not a kid anymore--he wouldn't be one of the little ones. At this point, I think it's safe to say he's at least in his thirties, in human years. There's no indication anywhere in the series that Andalites remain "kids" that long, in fact, in the Gafinilan book, I think they remark that Elfangor was actually pretty big for an Andalite.
Of course, it's done in vague enough language that it's possible to argue either way, but I really think she fully intended for Elfangor to have an Andalite family before she retconned him being Tobias' dad. I've only read the first two and a half books, but I've come across a few more errors, let me see...
oh, in the second book, Visser Three picks up a cat carrier with a cat inside and choke-holds Chapman, when it's later indicated that Andalite arms are very weak (he can't even squish a Yeerk in his hand in book #29)
The nature of the Yeerk population--in book #1, V3 indicates that they'll need to breed more Yeerks to infest all the humans ("With this many hosts we can spread throughout the universe, unstoppable! Billions of us. We'll have to build a thousand new Yeerk Pools just to raise Yeerks for half this number of bodies." p. 36), while in later books, especially the Hork-Bajir Chronicles, it seems that within the Empire you have to be "selected" to infest a host, like there's more Yeerks than there will ever be hosts.
Oh then there's just stupid stuff, like that ridiculous book where the buffalo and ant got the power to morph, when it's clearly shown in the books that morphing requires a lot of concentration: "When you acquire, you have to think hard about the animal, focusing on it and blocking everything else out." (Book 2, p. 55)
w/e there are a ton of little inconsistencies. I really kind of like them, to be honest. I mean, if you think about it, Scholastic had about a month to write, proofread, and publish each of these books. Not only that, but like most TV shows, there's no end-point they're aiming for, it's impossible to make them entirely self-contained. I think KA even said at one point she had enough ideas to start off with for 12 books, and then it was like, "well, now what?" So mild contradictions for the sake of good storytelling don't really bother me, and not only that, but they leave ripe opportunity and inspiration for fanfic. Like what someone said about Andalite senses of humor--yes, in both the AC and Ax's flashback in #8, it shows that Andalites have a concept of humor, but maybe it's not based on the same thing as the human sense--I'd love to see a fic that explored that a little more deeply.
Anyway, obviously that's me being nerdy. For serious I'm going through the entire series and just taking notes of every inconsistency/clue/thing I find interesting. Cassie/Jake and Tobias/Rachel were already getting shipped in the first and second books. And there's a really interesting line on like the first page of book one that's something like "I'm good at video games b/c I get a lot of practice but Marco analyzes them for weak points and designs strategies, so he beats me sometimes." I think it's amazing that little stuff like that gets so wonderfully integrated into their characters later on.
Okay w/e I'll come back here when I notice more
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It's interesting that you mentioned the bit about Tobias/Rachel and Jake/Cassie being shipped in the first few. My fiance is finally reading the series, and he's only on book #6, but he also saw signs of Rachel/Marco shipping (Marco liking Rachel, not so much the other way around), which is much more subtle and, obviously, never fully explored. As the series goes on KA forgets about it completely, but it is noticeable in the first few.
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I think I can explain that though
It starts with Marco just seeing Rachel as pretty, but then as he gets to know her better, and her personality he realizes;
he wants to live ;)
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...3. it is not mentioned how Yeerks find their hosts again once in the pool, since according to Ax in book 6 Yeerks are blind in natural state, and cannot even see the animorphs standing right beside the Yeerk pool, and according to book 29 Yeerks fire some kind of echolocation that helps them 'see' vaguely, but not clearly enough to see the faces of people (if the echolocation thing is clear enough then in book 6 the animorphs would have been seen when standing beside the Yeerk pool)...
This has been one of the biggest KASU confusions for me in the series.
The Yeerks are meant to be BLIND and deaf and defenseless in their true shape and form. PERIOD! Otherwise their whole 'we must enslave other species' gimmick thing doesn't work.
BUT then, down the series, we learn that they can actually see.
So HOW is it that a number of Animorphs have used the pool to demorph and remorph without being infested. If these Yeerks have this 'echolocation' ability, surely they were able to detect and identify the animated human bodies swimming in the pool. And yet, NONE were infested.
_ In book 18, Ax is shocked to see that the Visserk can morph into a bird from his planet.
It's weird that he is shocked when you know that this bird is the first animal into which little andalites morph ...
This is another KASU that bugs me, too.
once again its the covers that get to me. And this time its the hair of characters. Tobias in the book has blond crazy hair, but on the cover he has "tidy" dark hair, i mean like come on they compensated for Marco when he got a hair cut but cant get the colour of another one right? same as the show Tobias had dark "tidy" hair.
It's the little things that get to me :P
This one is a gold one too. WHAT colour exactly is dirty blond?! In the beginning the model has long darkish. Later on, short blond. They can't be one and the same.
I think in #2 the Visser tells Chapman something about contacting the Homeworld. He spoke as if the Homeworld was not in Andalite-control. And later in the series he makes a big speech on V1 about taking back the Homeworld..
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oh, in the second book, Visser Three picks up a cat carrier with a cat inside and choke-holds Chapman, when it's later indicated that Andalite arms are very weak (he can't even squish a Yeerk in his hand in book #29)
The nature of the Yeerk population--in book #1, V3 indicates that they'll need to breed more Yeerks to infest all the humans ("With this many hosts we can spread throughout the universe, unstoppable! Billions of us. We'll have to build a thousand new Yeerk Pools just to raise Yeerks for half this number of bodies." p. 36), while in later books, especially the Hork-Bajir Chronicles, it seems that within the Empire you have to be "selected" to infest a host, like there's more Yeerks than there will ever be hosts.
First, Alloran was described in TAC as being very well built, his arms being thicker and stronger than normal Andalites
Second Many Yeerk Pool ships are still out there finding and taking other species, then there's also the fact that the Yeerk homeworld is under a blockade, so they can't ship 'em from home.
second continued: the host selection was because before Earth, they only had small numbers of Ged and Hork-Bajir hosts compared to Yeerks, but then add 7 billion hosts to that number, and I'm sure that more than overwhelms their numbers that are not currently confined by the Andalite blockade.
Of course, it's done in vague enough language that it's possible to argue either way, but I really think she fully intended for Elfangor to have an Andalite family before she retconned him being Tobias' dad. I've only read the first two and a half books, but I've come across a few more errors, let me see...
K.A. had intentionally linked Tobias and Elfangor as father and son from the very beginning, "We all looked at each other. All except Tobias, who never took his gaze off the alien." and,
"We ran. All but Tobias, who knelt beside the Andalite and took his hand. The Andalite
pressed his other hand against Tobias's head. Tobias rocked back, like he'd been shocked.
Then he, too, was up and running, stumbling over the loose junk and potholes of the
construction site."
She hinted at a more-than-curiosity connection between them from the get-go.
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_ In book 18, Ax is shocked to see that the Visserk can morph into a bird from his planet.
It's weird that he is shocked when you know that this bird is the first animal into which little andalites morph ...
This is another KASU that bugs me, too.
I already mentioned this, but I'll repeat it. ^^() In the beginning of HBC, Aldrea notes that the morphing technology is new and untested, and she only has the technology because the mother of a friend of her's worked in that department and showed her an Escafil device prior to the novel. Alloran is already an adult at the time; there was no morphing technology when he was young. He would not have acquired the Kafit as a child to experiment with morphing; he would have gotten the morphing technology some time after HBC, long after he'd grown up and become a warrior. Ax was fine to be surprised by Esplin morphin' Kafit in #18.
once again its the covers that get to me. And this time its the hair of characters. Tobias in the book has blond crazy hair, but on the cover he has "tidy" dark hair, i mean like come on they compensated for Marco when he got a hair cut but cant get the colour of another one right? same as the show Tobias had dark "tidy" hair.
It's the little things that get to me :P
This one is a gold one too. WHAT colour exactly is dirty blond?! In the beginning the model has long darkish. Later on, short blond. They can't be one and the same.
I believe I read somewhere that KAA initially intended Tobias to be blonde; like, yellow-blonde, but she changed it to "dirty-blonde" because the model, which looked like she wanted Tobias to look otherwise, was brunette. All the models were changed around in the duration of the series- except, I believe, Cassie's- and so when a new Tobias was found, he had the originally correct hair color, and Tobias was blonde again.
Even though I liked Tobias #1 more, personally. x3 He was the Tobias of my childhood, darnit.
I think in #2 the Visser tells Chapman something about contacting the Homeworld. He spoke as if the Homeworld was not in Andalite-control. And later in the series he makes a big speech on V1 about taking back the Homeworld..
I have to ask, and this might have been answered sometime in the series- but was the Counsel of Thirteen on the Homeworld, or were they floating around on a Pool Ship somewhere? The latter makes more sense, since the Andalites were dominating the Yeerk Homeworld, but I also seem to remember some discussion of the Homeworld as some central Yeerk command. ^^()
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First, Alloran was described in TAC as being very well built, his arms being thicker and stronger than normal Andalites
Second Many Yeerk Pool ships are still out there finding and taking other species, then there's also the fact that the Yeerk homeworld is under a blockade, so they can't ship 'em from home.
second continued: the host selection was because before Earth, they only had small numbers of Ged and Hork-Bajir hosts compared to Yeerks, but then add 7 billion hosts to that number, and I'm sure that more than overwhelms their numbers that are not currently confined by the Andalite blockade.
All of that makes sense, but there doesn't seem to be any consistency. They've got Pool Ships and ships with vats that store Yeerks and most of the Empire seems to agree that humans are going to give freedom and mobility to the Yeerks, yet they also seem very selective about what hosts they choose to infest. If I remember, they outright refuse certain people for really dumb reasons (V3 refused to infest Tobias after the reading of Elfangor's will just because he was a hood rat or something), although that just might be plot-induced pickiness rather than a real attitude. And, once again, this is an overall impression. In some cases it seems like the Yeerks are willing to take whatever they can get (I mean, hell, they took Taxxons even despite their distracting and effiiency-destroying hunger) and in some cases it seems like they only want the *best of the best*.
K.A. had intentionally linked Tobias and Elfangor as father and son from the very beginning, "We all looked at each other. All except Tobias, who never took his gaze off the alien." and,
"We ran. All but Tobias, who knelt beside the Andalite and took his hand. The Andalite
pressed his other hand against Tobias's head. Tobias rocked back, like he'd been shocked.
Then he, too, was up and running, stumbling over the loose junk and potholes of the
construction site."
She hinted at a more-than-curiosity connection between them from the get-go.
I know, I just read the book, but just because Elfangor was Tobias' dad doesn't preclude him from having an Andalite family too. It was just never mentioned again. You figure Ax would have mentioned having some Andalite nieces and nephews in addition to Tobias. I think she just changed her mind about it sometime around the AC.
But, then again, that's my opinion. You're free to read that as Elfangor, Ax, and their parents if you want. I just like to think that losing Loren didn't totally destroy Elfangor's ability to love :'(
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All of that makes sense, but there doesn't seem to be any consistency. They've got Pool Ships and ships with vats that store Yeerks and most of the Empire seems to agree that humans are going to give freedom and mobility to the Yeerks, yet they also seem very selective about what hosts they choose to infest. If I remember, they outright refuse certain people for really dumb reasons (V3 refused to infest Tobias after the reading of Elfangor's will just because he was a hood rat or something), although that just might be plot-induced pickiness rather than a real attitude. And, once again, this is an overall impression. In some cases it seems like the Yeerks are willing to take whatever they can get (I mean, hell, they took Taxxons even despite their distracting and effiiency-destroying hunger) and in some cases it seems like they only want the *best of the best*.
They want the best of the best while they are invading and defending, but once all of Earth is theirs, I'm sure they'd start handing out shoddy hosts to shoddy Yeerks. I mean come one, there's 7 billion hosts. That's thousands upon thousands upon thousands. They didn't have thousands of Yeerk pool ships. Yes each pool may have 1000 Yeerks, but the Yeerks did not have over a million pools. let alone over 7 million pool ships.
I know, I just read the book, but just because Elfangor was Tobias' dad doesn't preclude him from having an Andalite family too. It was just never mentioned again. You figure Ax would have mentioned having some Andalite nieces and nephews in addition to Tobias.
Exactly, the fact that didn't say anything about an extended family would preclude this scenario. Also, don't you have any pics of your family when you were little kids? I know my favorite picture of my family is when i was 6 years old. I also have a picture of me and my sister when i was 3 and she was 7.
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Exactly, the fact that didn't say anything about an extended family would preclude this scenario. Also, don't you have any pics of your family when you were little kids? I know my favorite picture of my family is when i was 6 years old. I also have a picture of me and my sister when i was 3 and she was 7.
That scenario is definitely possible. I'm only going to keep arguing b/c I still like my version better. We never got any definite ages, but Elfangor was a lot older than Ax--old enough to be in the military before Ax was even born. Then he aged however many years when the Time Matrix in their mini-messed-up-universe *worked its magic*, so by the time he actually got home to take a picture with his family, I don't think he'd be "kid-sized" anymore.
Once again, however, this is new fanwank I just discovered so I got a little giddy about it. As I said, you're free to read it the same way I did the first three times, but I want to believe that in some empty corner of the creator-god's mind, Elfangor had an Andalite family. But that's why I like close reading :)
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OOH YOU GUYS I FOUND ANOTHER ONE:
We all know the fantastic six's raptor morphs:
Jake: Peregrine Falcon
Marco/Cassie: Osprey
Rachel: Bald Eagle
Tobias: Duh
Ax: Northern Harrier
This is established in book 2 when those douche bags decide to go endangered species-hunting in order to, idk, get fined a lot of money.
"< I can see them, > Cassie said. She and Marco had joined up with us. They had both morphed the same osprey." Bk 2, p. 6
Ah, so. BUT BUT BUT:
"Marco and Rachel had previously morphed bald eagles." Bk 3, p. 149
After the daring escape from the water/air ship that never gets seen again, MARCO comes out of the top of the trees in the forest. "Marco barely made it. He fell down into the forest, out of sight. I was sure he had been too late. But then, up from the trees floated a bird with a six-foot wingspread and a proud white head." Bk 3, p. 150
Ahahahaha I love searching for these. It gives me an undeserved sense of superior entitlement. I'm going to keep looking for them, if it's cool with the rest of you.
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It's cool, but you may want to edit your posts instead of double-posting.
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Exactly, the fact that didn't say anything about an extended family would preclude this scenario. Also, don't you have any pics of your family when you were little kids? I know my favorite picture of my family is when i was 6 years old. I also have a picture of me and my sister when i was 3 and she was 7.
That scenario is definitely possible. I'm only going to keep arguing b/c I still like my version better. We never got any definite ages, but Elfangor was a lot older than Ax--old enough to be in the military before Ax was even born. Then he aged however many years when the Time Matrix in their mini-messed-up-universe *worked its magic*, so by the time he actually got home to take a picture with his family, I don't think he'd be "kid-sized" anymore.
Once again, however, this is new fanwank I just discovered so I got a little giddy about it. As I said, you're free to read it the same way I did the first three times, but I want to believe that in some empty corner of the creator-god's mind, Elfangor had an Andalite family. But that's why I like close reading :)
Interesting both possibilities are possible. Aximili didn't have to mention anything about his family because like he explained to Cassie in book 8 Arisths are not supposed to be homesick. And after when he finds out Tobias s his nephew maybe he told him but not the others. So maybe Elfangor did remarry and have kids. or maybe he likes to keep pictures of his childhood .
There is also teh thing about Aximili not existing in the Timeline where Tobias was born. Elfangor grew about 5 years in that Vortex thing in the made universe. SO Elfangor and Aximili are truly closer in age like in the picture and how they physically look. Maybe that is why he has that picture. from a timeline he didn't live where Aximili and Elfangor were kids together. maybe he keeps it because he wishes he would have been there.
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I think the nail has been struck upon the noggin. Nice deductive skills mah freend.
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thanks <_< that is what happens when you have read Andalite chronicles 7 times XD
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true that, except i read it numerous times, 5-6 years ago. I only re-read it in the last few months.
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There is also teh thing about Aximili not existing in the Timeline where Tobias was born. Elfangor grew about 5 years in that Vortex thing in the made universe. SO Elfangor and Aximili are truly closer in age like in the picture and how they physically look. Maybe that is why he has that picture. from a timeline he didn't live where Aximili and Elfangor were kids together. maybe he keeps it because he wishes he would have been there.
that would be cool, but how would he have access to something like that?
I mean the ellimist was pretty indulgent letting elfangor go back to leave a message for tobias, so I guess it's possible he could give him something like that...idk it would just be kind of funny for elfangor to be like "ELLIMIST YOU RUINED MY LIFE BUY ME AN ICE CREAM CONE :''''("
also, wait, why wouldn't ax exist in the timeline where tobias was born? I always got the impression that the ellimist didn't change the actual timeline--he just moved some people around and erased some memories and maybe invented a pseudo-boyfriend to be loren's fake baby-daddy.
idk keep arguing with me I love this kind of stuff
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When the Elimist took Elfangor he kinds of tweaked two time line. In one he had been with his people the entire time grew up and everything and Aximili grew up with him.
In the time line when he was human Aximili was never born but he has Tobias. The Elimist made it so that both could exist.
That is why in book 7 the Future controller Rachel had never seen Aximili. that was from the different time line where Aximili didn't exist.
So maybe the Elimist didn't have to give him the picture maybe his family already had it from the other time line where Aximili was born.
Maybe he has it as a reminder of a past he never had. i mean having to pretend to remember what you did when you didn't do it must be hard.
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When the Elimist took Elfangor he kinds of tweaked two time line. In one he had been with his people the entire time grew up and everything and Aximili grew up with him.
In the time line when he was human Aximili was never born but he has Tobias. The Elimist made it so that both could exist.
That is why in book 7 the Future controller Rachel had never seen Aximili. that was from the different time line where Aximili didn't exist.
So maybe the Elimist didn't have to give him the picture maybe his family already had it from the other time line where Aximili was born.
Maybe he has it as a reminder of a past he never had. i mean having to pretend to remember what you did when you didn't do it must be hard.
I haven't read #7 in a really long time but this doesn't make any sense. Even before all the nonsense with the Time Matrix, Elfangor was doing his "wish-flower" ritual for Ax, and it's never really described but I figured he was wishing for his brother to be born safely, meaning his mother was already pregnant. I mean it's kind of weird to be "wishing" for your parents to successfully conceive, but WHATEVER THEY'RE ALIENS.
I can't really say anymore until I read #7, but in the end of the Andalite Chronicles, it's fully implied that Ax is alive and well before the Ellimist changes the timeline. Elfangor sees him running all determined and warrior-like. It could just be one of these infamous (and on-topic!) plot holes, but I never got the impression that Ax didn't exist without Elfangor there.
I need to keep rereading idk!
ETA: OH **** no I just checked the AC to double check and you're right. It still doesn't make any sense, lol, but whatever, I'll run with it. We're really getting down to semantics now, this all stretches back to my initial argument that Elfangor's picture was of his kids, not his parents and Ax, so let's review. Elfangor was maybe, what, 14 at least, 20 at the most, when he was on the StarSword. Ax hadn't been born yet at this point. He goes off on an awesome adventure, both where he is artificially aged by the Time Matrix, and spends like between 2 and 5 years with Loren as a human. I am willing to allow that the both the time he aged in the fake-universe and the time he spent with Loren didn't actually count for any "aging"--that is, the Ellimist would have undone the aging in the fake-universe, and he spent most of his time with Loren as a human, and my theory is that you only age in the morph you're currently in. SO. What we've got is Elfangor as a 14-20 year old with a really, really little Ax. We don't know Andalite gestation time, but for argument's sake let's just assume it's 9 months. If Ax wasn't born in the alternate timeline, it would imply that no, his mother was not pregnant with him, so even if she got pregnant THE SECOND Elfangor returned, Ax is somewhere between 14 and 21 years younger than Elfangor.
For there to be a picture of Ax as a kid, even a 1-2 year old, Elfangor would have to be 15-23 years old. Is a 15-year old Andalite going to look "child-like" or "adult-like?" I don't know. YMMV. I still think I have enough to substantiate my argument, and hell you guys, I'm sticking to it.
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Considering how fast Applegate and her ghostwriters produced the books, they're pretty decent for the amount of errors. They sure could have done better though!
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I still think I have enough to substantiate my argument, and hell you guys, I'm sticking to it.
Yeah there is nothing wrong with him having a family since the Elimist did change his entire life it wouldn't be fair for him to stay alone forever. Elfangor didn't think he was going back to Earth again he is a strong good looking guy ( by Andalite standards I assume) I see absolutely no reason why he couldn't have his own Andalite family.
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Yeah there is nothing wrong with him having a family since the Elimist did change his entire life it wouldn't be fair for him to stay alone forever. Elfangor didn't think he was going back to Earth again he is a strong good looking guy ( by Andalite standards I assume) I see absolutely no reason why he couldn't have his own Andalite family.
He was a HERO I mean sheesh, I would figure the girls would be clamboring all over him.
I think there have been a couple of decent fics about Elfangor's courting/dating/refusing girls based on his angst over Loren. Or if there haven't been, there should be.
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Can you say fan fic? :woot:
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I don't think the thing with Ax makes much sense either. I mean the wish flower thing suggests to me that his mother is already pregnant. Though I suppose maybe they were just trying to get pregnant. But in that case, how would he know it's going to be a boy? Maybe he/they were hoping for a boy in particular. If his mother was only trying to get pregnant, Elfangor's disappearance may have made her not want to anymore, and thus not give birth to Ax.
As for the hologram being of Elfangor's wife and kids, I never thought of that. It's possible, though I get the feeling that Elfangor was only back in the war for a short time before returning to Earth. The war started in the 60's, Elfangor was an aristh five years into it, he spent 20 years here with Loren, and the series starts in the mid to late 90's. Is that really enough time to get over Loren and get a new family, then have kids?
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Elfangor explained that his parents were preparing. So not sure if that means she was already pregnant maybe planing on becoming pregnant.
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hmm... if only KA could elaborate. :-[
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As for the hologram being of Elfangor's wife and kids, I never thought of that. It's possible, though I get the feeling that Elfangor was only back in the war for a short time before returning to Earth. The war started in the 60's, Elfangor was an aristh five years into it, he spent 20 years here with Loren, and the series starts in the mid to late 90's. Is that really enough time to get over Loren and get a new family, then have kids?
For some reason I find Ax's and Elfangor's parents very compelling figures. I don't know why.
I'm kind of confused as to where you're getting these dates. Chapman and Loren talk about Vietnam in the AC like it's over. Vietnam ended in 1975. I thought the AC took place in the 80s at some point. The HBC takes place in the late 60s, and that was before Alloran was disgraced. I kind of pinpoint Elfangor's departure date from Earth as basically around Tobias' conception: the series started in what, '96? And it started when they were all 13? So Tobias was conceived some time in '82 or '83? I may be pulling this out of my ass, but even if Elfangor didn't go home directly after the Ellimist pulled him off of Earth, he certainly had enough time to meet a pretty girl, marry her, and pop out a couple of kids.
But then again, it's all pretty vague. I was actually surprised they gave us dates in the HBC, I thought she was keeping the timeline intentionally vague because timelines are really hard to pin down.
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HBC happened in the 60's. Elfangor says in TAC that five years have passed since the war began. Somewhere in TAC it also says he spent twenty years on Earth. Vietnam happening in 75 kind of jabs a hole in my timeline. But that's the idea I take from TAC, with something from HBC thrown in as a starting point.
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HBC happened in the 60's. Elfangor says in TAC that five years have passed since the war began. Somewhere in TAC it also says he spent twenty years on Earth. Vietnam happening in 75 kind of jabs a hole in my timeline. But that's the idea I take from TAC, with something from HBC thrown in as a starting point.
I hate to be annoying, but could you find quotes for those? The five-year thing sounds plausible, and now that I think about it, whether or not Vietnam was over or not was sort of ambiguous, so that could definitely fit in the timeline. But from what I remember, Elfangor never gives a time period for how long he stayed on Earth, and if he did, I really don't think it was twenty years. He never knew Tobias as his son, the Ellimist came when Loren was away at the doctor, finding out she was pregnant or whatever. I don't think it's possible that he spent twenty years on Earth. He would have had to know Tobias, and he didn't. I think he got taken away a lot earlier than that.
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I'm sure the quotes were within the first few pages, and the last few. It's late for me, so I don't feel like it. Go read the ebook. Or wait until tomorrow.
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I'm sure the quotes were within the first few pages, and the last few. It's late for me, so I don't feel like it. Go read the ebook. Or wait until tomorrow.
lol curse you and curse my insatiable curiosity! I should be doing work but h/o I will look.
First we need to find out when the war actually started. This happened in the Hork-Bajir Chronicles. Okay. Alloran reamed Seerow out for giving the Yeerks technology in 1966. Was that the beginning of the war? Or did the war technically start with the battle for Hork-Bajir, which didn't begin until sometime in the midst of the Hork-Bajir Chronicles? Aldrea and her family went to the Hork-Bajir homeworld in 1968. For the benefit of this whole charade, let's find the latest possible start date for the war. I'm going to try to find out how long they spent there until the Yeerks attacked.
Okay, here's one bit: "I notice that you are not making regular data entries. You did for the first three months. Then you stopped." (THBC, p. 33) 1968 and three months, give or take, I don't know, a month for him to confront her about it.
This seems important: "I was there. Do you understand what this moment was? I was there when Akdor announced the birth of the Yeerk Empire." (THBC, p. 53) This is an Esplin chapter and is no longer related to the other storyline, but we can assume it's sometime around at least 3 months into 1968.
"It was seven weeks since Aldrea had become a chadoo for the first time." (THBC, p. 55) So Aldrea's been on THB homeworld for four months and three weeks. They see Gedds later in the chapter. The Yeerks have begun the infestation of the Hork-Bajir people.
This doesn't matter. I think it's fair to say the beginning of the war is when the Andalites arrive on THB homeworld. Let's see when that is.
"At the very best, the fleet would take about two months to arrive." (THBC, p. 109)
It took two days for them to learn how to control the monsters from the Arn...I don't know if this is relevant but I'll write it down anyway.
Aldrea contacts the Andalites at the end of that battle...
HERE WE GO
"Seven months passed, and the fleet did not come. Not the two months I had expected." (THBC, p. 148)
"Space battle...There's a space battle going on in orbit!" (THBC, p. 153)
Four months, three weeks, two days, and seven more moths. That's almost exactly a year from Aldrea landing on the Hork-Bajir Homeworld with her parents in 1968 until the Andalite forces landed on the planet to fight the Yeerks. So unless the Andalites have some heavily-censored media and are orchestrating an Earth Kingdom-level conspiracy about keeping the war from the civilian public (which would be fair to argue, based on how the Andalite military is characterized, but we'd need to find textual evidence to support it), I think it's fair to say the Andalite-Yeerk War started in 1969. Which, unrelatedly, would be an appropriate year since that's when we landed on the moon.
Anyway, let's relate this back to The Andalite Chronicles.
"This is not my first visit to Earth. I spent many years on Earth...and yet, no time at all." (TAC, prologue, viii)
Vague, but a good place to start.
"For five years our princes had fought the vissers of the Yeerk Empire. They said the war could go on for another fifty years...another hundred years."
So, if the war started in 1969 like we've said, then Elfangor's story starts in 1974.
How long does the Andalite Chronicles take? I'm skipping the meat now: Taxxon homeworld and Sub-Visser whatever infesting Alloran and living asteroids and Mortrons blah blah blah.
"That was like, what, a week ago? Did all this happen in just a week?" (TAC, p. 298)
Elfangor's adventure happens in 1974. It takes a week. Then he decides to run away with her to Earth. How long does he spend on Earth?
The first three words in chapter 45 are Three years later (TAC, p. 300) Then we get a recap of what Elfangor did during this time--become human, attend college + grad school, get a job ("I had a job writing software for primitive human computers. It was the 1980s on Earth and humans were just beginning to understand computers." [TAC, p. 301])
According to Elfangor's testimony, the war has been five years long, he spent three years on Earth with Loren, and it's the 1980s.
Except, no. 1969+5 years: 1974+3 years: 1977. The Ellimist comes and whisks him back to his home, according to all the textual evidence we have found, in 1977.
This already contradicts something Elfangor said. It's not the 80's. And if all of this were correct, Tobias would have been conceived in 1977, which would make him 18 or 19 years old when Elfangor's fighter crashes.
Of course all of this can be handwaved, because we're not explicitly told how the Ellimist changed stuff. We don't even know when the Ellimist delivered him to. We get this: "The lost aristh who had returned mysteriously, years after disappearing, and had flown his fighter in a bold suicide mission." (TAC, 320)
HOW MANY YEARS APPLEGATE, HOW MANY YEARS?
The only other indication of time we get is here: "It was many years before I saw Earth again. I had fought in more battles than I could count. I had won, and I had lost." (TAC, p. 323)
So...there you have it. Let me try to recap: Andalite-Yeerk war starts in 1969 when the Andalites arrive on the Hork-Bajir homeworld. Could be later, depending on when the government decided to actually inform the public there was a high-stakes intra-galactic war going on. Elfangor's adventure takes place in 1974, according to THBC timeline. He spends three years on earth, making it 1977 when he leaves, when we know Loren is pregnant with Tobias. At no point is it the 1980s like he says. Again, this whole post may be moot depending on when the Andalite government *decided* the war starts, but inter-textually it seems impossible for them to say it started any time after 1969.
I admit I kind of forgot what I was arguing...I mean, I guess that Elfangor went back to the Andalite people no later than 1977, depending, once again, on whether the start date of the war is actually 1969. It's the only textual evidence I could find and what I'm going to stick to. So yes. I believe that between 1977 and 1996, Elfangor could have definitely married and had kids.
I have to stop nerding out about Animorphs and do some goddamn work now.
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HOLY HYLIA MAN that is amazing. I will have to do some research myself. but like you i have a paper to do So i'll do the research latter.
I love making timelines. I think i had one ages ago lost it and forgot all the calculations i made way back when but i'll still help you build that amazing timeline. I mean i'm still working on that Legend of Zelda timeline too XD
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HOLY HYLIA MAN that is amazing. I will have to do some research myself. but like you i have a paper to do So i'll do the research latter.
I love making timelines. I think i had one ages ago lost it and forgot all the calculations i made way back when but i'll still help you build that amazing timeline. I mean i'm still working on that Legend of Zelda timeline too XD
haha omg we are really just completely gone, aren't we?
I think after this I'll do a BSG one.
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That was good. Sorry you had to do it. So I was wrong about the twenty year thing. I don't know where I got that from.
So yeah, you're right that this is a good timeframe for getting a new family.
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In 48 when Rachel is fighting Visser 3, Visser 3 goes straight from one morph to another without demorphing first.
Also, in one of the David books, David morphs into Jake's cousin, Saddler, who was mangled in bike accident. Everyone in Jake's family is surprised by his "miraculous" recovery. Wouldn't Tom suspect something?
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How about how Elfangor started as a prince but got bumped to war-prince by the end of the series?
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How about how Elfangor started as a prince but got bumped to war-prince by the end of the series?
I think the Elfangor-worship got greatly skewed by the end of the series. At first he'd be dishonored if the people find out that he gave the Animorphs the morphing technology, and by the end they're naming Dome Ships after him. Of course, I think that may have something to do with the fact that every random Andalite they came across was a either a hero, genius, or total disgrace. There is no middle ground for reputation when it comes to Andalites, I guess.
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Elfangor wasn't disgraced for sharing the morphing tech because Ax took responsibility for that action to spare the disgracing of his brother's name.
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I found the excerpt:
Then Lirem said, <Young Aximili, your brother Elfangor is a hero. The people need heroes
in this endless war. I do not wish to tell the people that in the end, Elfangor broke the laws.
There can be no forgiveness for a prince that breaks the laws. Unlike an aristh. So ... I ask
you to think again. Was it truly Elfangor who gave this technology to the humans?>
I couldn't believe what Lirem wanted me to say. He wanted me to lie. He wanted me to clear
Elfangor.
<I...I was wrong when I said Elfangor did this,> I said, too shocked to argue. <It was ... it
was me. I gave the humans the morphing technology.>
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yeah ik, my point was that at first that act would have disgraced him, but by the end he's like this messianic figure that everyone holds in this god-like regard. And earlier in that book, even Elfangor looked up to the Captain of the GalaxyTree, Nerefir I think. I was just noting that the overall perception of Elfangor changed throughout the series.
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That was because when he came back he was still an Aristh .
and was promoted to Warrior. after that he became Prince.
when he died he was already a War-Prince. He probably still just called himself Prince or whatever
but others would see him as War Prince.
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yeah ik, my point was that at first that act would have disgraced him, but by the end he's like this messianic figure that everyone holds in this god-like regard. And earlier in that book, even Elfangor looked up to the Captain of the GalaxyTree, Nerefir I think. I was just noting that the overall perception of Elfangor changed throughout the series.
Over time Legends don't dwindle, they get bigger and bigger.
Norse Mythology started as stories of these gods and legends, they're now entire movies, games, and universes that have been created based on those few stories.
Heros are celebrated, and Elfangor was a war hero. the only reason we don't understand the huge "deal", is because we know the real story. There's a saying, ''When the truth becomes legend, print the legend.''
We know the truth, but everyone else only here's the legend. And when the legend becomes more prevalent than the truth, society just embraces the legend.
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Over time Legends don't dwindle, they get bigger and bigger.
Norse Mythology started as stories of these gods and legends, they're now entire movies, games, and universes that have been created based on those few stories.
Heros are celebrated, and Elfangor was a war hero. the only reason we don't understand the huge "deal", is because we know the real story. There's a saying, ''When the truth becomes legend, print the legend.''
We know the truth, but everyone else only here's the legend. And when the legend becomes more prevalent than the truth, society just embraces the legend.
lol yeah but norse mythology has taken hundreds, if not thousands of years to develop. Elfangor went from hot-shot jock on the Galaxy Tree to PRAISE BE TO ELFANGOR in like three.
Plus, both Gafinilan and even Mertil were described with the same kind of reverence that Elfangor got later on. They didn't get Dome Ships.
I AM JUST NITPICKING, THOUGH. I think it's a little inconsistent, but most of the inconsistencies can be hand-waved away if you're trying hard enough.
But I still say that picture was of his kids and not his parents.
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lol yeah but norse mythology has taken hundreds, if not thousands of years to develop. Elfangor went from hot-shot jock on the Galaxy Tree to PRAISE BE TO ELFANGOR in like three.
That's not necessarily true, When Norse Mythology was formed, an entire nation would pray to these gods, and give sacrifices to them, make songs to them.
My point was that legends don't idle or die down, they're spread, celebrated and embelished.
But I still say that picture was of his kids and not his parents.
Now you're just beating a dead horse, time to be moving on.
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Now you're just beating a dead horse, time to be moving on.
Oh I wasn't just beating it, I beat it, tenderized it, fried it, then put it in a blender and made a smoothie
and the picture was of his kids, not his parents.
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At least I understand this better now. I was really confused when you quoted it over on LJ because it didn't seem like you'd explained it all in what you cut and pasted.
*Is Buffyangellvr over there*
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I think it was in more than 3 years. he becomes a warrior a little after 3 years after teh whole thing started. after that it was at leas 10 to 14 years.
He started as Aristh went to Earth
3 years latter he gets married and becomes a father but before Tobias is born he is returned
some time weeks or moths can't remember he becomes a Warrior.
13 or 14 years later
he fought more battles than he could count
during those 13 or 14 years he went from Warrior to Prince to War-Prince
and died as a War Prince.
Tobias grew up he was a teenager when he got there that didn't happen in 3 years
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At least I understand this better now. I was really confused when you quoted it over on LJ because it didn't seem like you'd explained it all in what you cut and pasted.
*Is Buffyangellvr over there*
yeah I probably should have just posted a link, but LJ makes my brain go all stupid sometimes
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hey I didn't know how close our names are here lol. AniMel23 and AniJen21
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And both of you have 4 Karma, It's a match made in RAF. Aww...
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with our karma combined, we shall become the most powerful nerd force on the planet!
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what 8.... you oversetimate yourself. ;D
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A LITTLE AMBITION NEVER HURT ANYONE
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yes, but there is a point where overambition can lead to failuer. ;D
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oh well you're right, I wouldn't want to end up a failuer.
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kneel at my knee young one. And absorb my RAFian Wisdom ;D
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Don't give up so easily!
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you guys could just give me some karma, you know
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He who asks never recives. He who takes action never fails.
well it would be she in your case ;D
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so you're suggesting I make sock puppets and give myself karma up the wazoo?
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you have a warped mind...
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oh, you have no idea...
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your talking to a guy with a vamp chick crying blue tears as his sigg...
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methinks the lady doth protest too much
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protest about what?
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In book 8 Ax says something along the lines of "If I live to be two centuries" but then later Lirem is all "Centuries ago I was Seerow's aristh." Not only does this contradict the timeline established in the Hork-Bajir Chronicles, BUT it seems to contradict itself which is a little disheartening but w/e it's still one of my favorite books.
sry I don't want to get the banhammer for being all off topic, I'm still not quite sure how strict you guys are :/
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Well you have to consider it could have been an exaggeration
meaning just " A long time ago"
like someone saying "I have been waiting for you for centuries where have you been?"
"Centuries ago I was Seerow's aristh." may just be "A long time ago I was Seerow's aristh"
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Exaggerating is a human trait. Andalites wouldn't/don't exaggerate.
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let me find the actual quotes:
<Prince Seerow. Yes. He was my first prince. Did you know that? Many centuries ago when I was an aristh like you.> BOOK 8 P. 11
idk I'm not getting *sarcasm* out of that context, but you're right, it could be like "GOD I HAVEN'T HAD CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES IN DECADES" or w/e
I am too lazy to find the other one but w/e you get the idea
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Again, Andalites don't exaggerate, plus it was an official Ax was reporting to, he wouldn't say 'lax phrases such as "It was forever ago."
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idk that captain was joking a little when ax called him "old hoof and tail..."
I don't understand the argument that andalites don't have a concept of humor. A lot of Andalites make a lot of jokes throughout the course of the series. I always just assumed that, like humans, they have a propensity to take themselves way too seriously.
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The aristh made a joke, and the captain only wanted to ease the tension.
If you were to address an iterstellar ambassador through an unsecure and unregistered communication device, they wouldn't be joking around with you.
Also, the overall tone of the andalite Ax was conversing with was not light-hearted at all. If anything, he was a douche. His tone through-out the entire convo was that of a hard-ass. he wouldn't be cracking wise to appease some lowly aristh.
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lol cracking wise
IN MY DAY WE COULDN'T JUST GIVE TECHNOLOGY TO INFERIOR SPECIES! IN MY DAY THEY HAD TO EARN IT! YOU YOUNG WHIPPERSNAPPERS DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD YOU'VE GOT IT
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Some Andalites seem to be dull in humor others like Arbron were not.
We are being stereotypical Aximili and Elfagor might have been a little dull but remember those two are Related
Arbron and Alloran made jokes. of course we didn't get to hear Alloran's humor but it is mentioned that he was a prankster that loved to play and things like that
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Sure, but years in the war will make a jokester into a hard-ass. Like Ax mentioned, Andalites aren't known for having a sense of humor, it doesn't mean there aren't andalites with a sense of humor, it just means that the population as a whole is mostly serious.
I'm positive that on the home world, there are kids having fun, and families laughing their tails off, but in the military, you're not going to get many funny guys.
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idk I think that was more ax having a stick up his butt than anything. I think he was taking himself *very seriously* at this point, but the glimpses of him we get from before him show him to be a girl-watching, slacker, tagalong kid.
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I just started re-reading the series from the beginning, and there are tons and tons of errors. One thing that really struck me was this line in book one:
"four Andalites, standing all together, looking like a strange gathering of deer with solemn faces. Two of them looked very small--kids. I realized this was a picture of the Andalite's family." p. 20
couldn't it be that elfangor was one of the children?
that could be his brother and parents!
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couldn't it be that elfangor was one of the children?
that could be his brother and parents!
omg
eta: okay sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet, so...please tell me my irony-meter just needs to be recalibrated
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I just started re-reading the series from the beginning, and there are tons and tons of errors. One thing that really struck me was this line in book one:
"four Andalites, standing all together, looking like a strange gathering of deer with solemn faces. Two of them looked very small--kids. I realized this was a picture of the Andalite's family." p. 20
couldn't it be that elfangor was one of the children?
that could be his brother and parents!
It could easily be one or the other.
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didn't we over this like ages ago?
and Andalites do exagerate
book 9
Ax about teh Skunk spraying homer. and how he was going to run in panic
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<Fascinating,> Ax said. <That is possibly the worst thing I have ever smelled. >
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<I believe the smell is causing me to become deranged,> Ax said calmly. <I may have to run
away in panic.>
There's no exaggeration here. The first quote, he's very analytic about it, he is commenting that it is one of the foulest smells he's experienced.
The second quote, he's warning others that the smell may cause him to panic.
There're no exaggerations. He is simply stating facts. If you just walked in on a dead body that was left for 2 weeks under a heat lamp soaking in a mixture of excrament and sulfer, you would probably state that that smell is possibly the worst thing you have ever smelled.
No exaggeration.
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Him saying he might run in panic is an exaggeration. Or else he would have just done it no need to say it. you don't think you are going to become panicked over something that is already happening. He would have already panicked about it and ran away.
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no exaggeration, he was afraid that the odor was causing his mind to become altered, he then stated that in order to keep that from happening, he may have to run in panic. He's very intellegent, analytical, and very proper. He was excusing any future odd behavior.
Sense his mind was not adversly affected, he did not have to run away. If his mind HAD been affected in the way he described (deranged) he would have run away in a panic. He has a different mindset than humans do. You can't assume his thoughts or actions like a normal human being.
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how long do hork bajir live? if less than like 65yrs or so , my way of thinking about the hork bajir wars is they do have wars every 66 yrs but when aldrea showed up and dak was born was between the war time
also jake thought spoke in book 1, maybe only morph capable people can thought speak
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I get the impression that Hork-Bajir don't live really long. Toby was nearly full grown by the end of the series, and species that grow fast tend to have shorter lifespans. I think.
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Maturation and aging are two entirely different processes of the body, though I can't imagine the Arn needing them to live that long, and once they realized they couldn't get rid of the seer gene, they probably made them have short lifespans to minimize any damage one might do.
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i'm not sure if these have been mentioned
1) in the HBC, aldrea nods a few times but in AC elfangor didn't get what a nod meant
2)in the beginning of AC elfangor said something sarcastically and wrote "i said sarcastically" but then when Loren uses sarcasm elfangor didn't get it
3)in 43 it said"I will break you." It was Taylor's voice again,whispering in my mind. "You can't win."
and "You'll never know," Taylor said. "You won't know who or what you are when I'm done with you."
i'm not sure about it but i don't remember Taylor saying those things
4)various punctuation errors in various books.mostly <this> when it should have been "this" or reversed
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I was re-reading book 12 The Reaction, and on page 57 in the last real paragraph it says: "On a yacht, huh?" Rachel mused. "He'll probably be lying out in a bathing suit."
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One thing that I want to know is, can ax and tobias thought speak in human morph? In book 8 ax claims he can't thought speak when human (which doesn't make since b/c it's a morph) but in book 33 he thought speaks to tobias about the cotton candy he's eating. and in book 49 tobias thought speaks to ax in human morph when they are revealing the truth to cassie's mom. i'm assuming that the other's can thought speak when in morph because they're utilizing the andalite technology which allows them to do so when in morph. And Ax being an andalite should have all the time, tobias should to since he's constantly in morph. i mean if the 2 hour rule still goes, the thought speak rule should too.[/b][/font]
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It's a KASU. Applegate probably changed her mind about the thought speak.
Post Merged: January 18, 2011, 06:55:16 PM
I just read the Decision, and I noticed something about Seagulls...
According to Ax they have Talons...Yea, he mentions it when demorphing to fight Visser Three. He says something like, "My talons dissolved into the legs of the Andalite" or whatever it was. I literally have the book right here next to me, but I won't bother to write up the actual quote.
But yea...Seagulls have Talons...
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I was re-reading book 12 The Reaction, and on page 57 in the last real paragraph it says: "On a yacht, huh?" Rachel mused. "He'll probably be lying out in a bathing suit."
What's the error in that?
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It's narrated by Rachel
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I still don't get it...
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It was narrated by Rachel, and says "said Rachel"
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Oh, I see. :P. It went into third person there.
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Wow! Yea, I've done that :P
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Alan(me) always talks in third person.
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I often speak in the third person, when I'm using my real name. And when I use the names I've made up, people think I'm talking about other people :P
"Who's Tobias Mason Park?" They ask.
"A really awesome guy." I reply.
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The little mistakes like that narration thing bug me. I hope they fix it :(
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[author=anijen21 link=topic=1970.msg183650#msg183650 date=1238970313]
The nature of the Yeerk population--in book #1, V3 indicates that they'll need to breed more Yeerks to infest all the humans ("With this many hosts we can spread throughout the universe, unstoppable! Billions of us. We'll have to build a thousand new Yeerk Pools just to raise Yeerks for half this number of bodies." p. 36), while in later books, especially the Hork-Bajir Chronicles, it seems that within the Empire you have to be "selected" to infest a host, like there's more Yeerks than there will ever be hosts.
I figured that at the time of the Hork-Bajir Chronicles, the Yeerks hadn't yet discovered Earth, so were in "host shortage" mode. The Yeerks had never dreamed that there could possibly be a host race which numbers in the billions, so assumed that there would always be more Yeerks then hosts!