Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: esplin on June 04, 2008, 11:34:26 AM
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since we basically know 0 about him, what did you guys picture him as?
im kinda relegious so i thought it would be cool if it was God, but thats just me :]
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I'm not sure. There is a lot of speculation in that area. I don't know about God. It was an entirely different universe wasn't it? It was definitely a huge power, greater than Crayak or the Ellimist.
I just think it would have been cool if there had been a Crayak Chronicles or something. I mean they did do Visser. It would have been awesome.
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Yeah, definately awesome if they're was a Crayak Chronicles.
Idk, I guess the idea that it was God doesn't really fit.
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yea it would have been cool to have another "bad guy" chronicles, crayak would definately have been cool, it might have been tricky keeping it different enough from ellimist chronicles tho
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ha now I wanna write up a fan fic of 'em. totally never gonna happen though lol
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someone started a crayak chronicles awhile ago, i forget what happened to it
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who ever said it had to fit? i was a kid when ithought that anyway
I started it but it was hard just making ever freakin thing up
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ha yeah. I'll bet it was.
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i posted the first chapter in the FF section, its pretty bad id say :]
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I'm not religious and I still think its a refer to god.
Or some sorta god.
So I picture a cosmic entity, not really anything to picture really :-\
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It was me. ;)
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yeah right :P prove it
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Your real name begins with R.
Hah.
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phst that no big secret, what does my first name begin with :]
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In the back of my mind I always think 'The Force'.
Long time ago, Galaxy far away. Crayak even fit in with the KotOr era as 'The True Sith'. I have a concept for a fic based on that.
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sweet the force, i like that idea
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I had a whole thing about Rachel being indirectly responsible and how Crayak saw her DNA or something. Then when he meets Jake he thinks Jake was responsible, which is why Crayak always hated him.
Wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey stuff...
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I still say that it's me, but believe what you will. ;)
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phst well you couldnt name my first initial >:D
that would be a sweet fix D
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I don't know, but there is some interesting connections between Ellimist/Crayak and Christian mythology (for want of a better word)
Essentially, The Ellimist is God and Crayak is Satan (although KA wrote that the Ellimist believes there's someone above him, whom would be the true God)
If you remember, Satan was originally an angel, but he saw himself as great as God, so he was banished to Hell. I think that's where this whole idea originated
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Yeah, I think it was God too. It was only said that Crayak was banished from another galaxy. And the use of God in sci-fi isn't so strange; the Fantastic Four met God in a recent story arc-who happens to be Stan Lee :woot2:! Who knew?
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i personally thought that it was the guy that jake spoke to in the one where he travels to the future, which i also believed to be the one
but know i really think that it was Estelore
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^-^
Hah. SOMEBODY believes me.
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yay estelore, i missed you!!!
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Yeah, it being Estelore makes sense. Well... not really.
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Well, I think the Crayak thing represents Lucifer, the angel banished by God because he turned against Him.
anyway, Ellimist doesn't represent the God, but probably the Angels guiding people around as. The Animorphs, represent those who are fighting this demon and etc... you get the idea.
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It was Estelore with her cosmic power in another galaxy...
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maybe it was crayak who banished crayak, whoa, did i just blow your mind or what
crayak, once he obtained ultimate power, went back in time to banish his less powerful self to this galaxy to assure that he would receive ultimate power, wow, did i just do that?
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I actually like the Rachel theory.
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Crayak can't go back in time, he IS in every timeline in every place! In other words, Crayak can't make a Sario Rip himself. He IS the Sario Rip.... ;D
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Isn't The One at the end of the Series suppose to be The One that banished Crayak? I think K.A. Applegate said she'd leave this one open to Fan Fiction. Its like her gift to all of us. Of course, there really is no canon to work with here so the only thing to work with, if we are going with the religious thing is tradition. Basically whichever theory surfaces the most and repeats the most in fan fiction is the correct one. Oh and remember, if it isn't in the book, then it isn't true, so technically that means K.A. Applegate, and no offense to her, can't say anything about Fan fiction being incorrect or correct. Its all up to the democracy of faith and reading everybody, so rejoice in your power to choose who the hell The One is.
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That is possible, but don't you think the One has something to do with "The Five"? You know, the race Ax said existed before Andalites had Z-space technology? The One probably assimilated every other Five and became the One (??).
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Whoa! Never occurred to me before. That would be yet another great idea for a fanfic, right there.
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Well, the idea isn't credited to me.... I heard it somewhere, but can't remember where... (no, the Ellimist did not put thoughts in my head). ???
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Well, the idea isn't credited to me.... I heard it somewhere, but can't remember where... (no, the Ellimist did not put thoughts in my head). ???
I think that's me. I mentioned it in RAF classic. strangely, it was just a joke...
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Well, joke or no joke, it pretty much works! ;D not much is mentioned about "The Five" after book 25 or 26 (the one with the polar bear, I can't remember the number) so... maybe.... that's pretty much it. The Five were pretty insane by Ax's desciption too... melting that alien race....
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What do we know about the fives?
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Nono. It's just 'The Five'. No one knows anything about them except they're ancient, powerful, disappeared, and harvested the Venber to extinction :P.
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Well, I don't know about powerful.
They wiped out a race of popsicles
And then got beat down by the Andalites right?
Not all that impressive :P
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Hey, the Popsicles were powerful too, see how two of those popsicles totally pawned 4 morph capable humans, a morph capable Andalite, and a morph capable Boy-bird-Andalite freak of the universe? ;D
Anyway, from what i remember, it wasn't the Andalites who annihilated them. By the time Andalites had Z-space tech, the Five just vanished.... the Andalites couldnt find them.
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yeah. the venber had arms that could bend steel. but it's not that hard to wipe them out. Just get them to somewhere warm and they'll melt.
I always assumed the andalites had something to do with the disappearence of the five
"Yes," Ax agreed. "But if it is any comfort, The Five are no longer in
existence, either. Soon after we encountered them for the first time
they... well, no one knows for certain what happened to The Five. But
Andalites in that era are not the Andalites of today."
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I STILL say that it was me.
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I think what Ax was saying was that Andalites back then were a lot more superstitious and were prone to telling amazing stories from their adventures in the uncharted, deep space. Also, years could(and still can)pass between the times they meet far away aliens; a species could be wiped out by the time the Andalites came back-look up the lost Roanoke colony. I think early Andalites starfarers were just like European sailors/explorers of the 15th-18th centuries.
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I find it intresting that a lot of people made a connection to christianity. I myself always thought there was a higher power. look at the ellemist chronicles. when he got sucked into the black hole, something gave him that power. Im pretty sure there was a quote from him too, about thinking he was a pawn in a bigger game.
As for the five...
I thought they were more like gardians.
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wow kewl. I didn't think anyone else picked up on that, "The Five". that's one of my favorite things about animorphs. KA drops so many names, but not very much detail and i like imagination. haha.
Anyway, does it ever mention "the Five" in Ellimist? i forget.
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Nope.
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oh man, I wonder if "the Five" was a race which is what i always imagined...but now i wonder if they were Five individuals...
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Maybe the One gave the last of the animorphs the power of the ellemist for thier heroic acts? since there are only five of them left, maybe its more than a coincidence?
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I dunno...i always thought the One was not "all-powerful" but more like another one of Crayak's new apprentices or something, like "the Drode". And then the new "yeerks" would be the "Kelbrids".
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Dude im so lost. i understant the apprentince thing, but the kelbrids????
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sry. I meant that if the story was to continue...the Kelbrids would be the new bad guys.
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i always picture Crayak as a massive gorilla cyclops stuck hardwired into a chair with a single bloodshot eye looking down at them.
as for the Kelbrids, in my early fics (before i got lazy), i kinda pictured their culture off of early native american tribes. they war with each other but they are trustworthy to a fault.
as for mental image of the Kelbirds, i came up with two castes in my mind, the workers/warriors (think of a huge 10 foot spider covered with armor and space age tech) and the leaders/scholors (think of a spider centuar with eyes with the texture of glass).
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I always just saw him as a giant Eye that was connected to thousands of wires/veins/whatever
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ok .I can't really describe the Crayak from how I view him, so i'll draw him!
as for the Kelbrids, I always pictures them as reptilian.
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i always saw him as a eye that or a beast some thing so big to humans that all you can see is the eye
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and very small appendages?
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no just huge if you've seen spawn he looks like the devil if not just amagin the golly green giant but god like and not green
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i drew crayak
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let's see it!
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alright. lemme get it.
(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z230/xeroxedhitler/crayak.jpg)
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oh man, that thing is kinda freaky looking..
oh yeah, I have another mental image of Crayak. It's that moon thing from Zelda
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well crayak is a freaky guy
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here is my crayak.
http://artpad.art.com/?k95vx2q4lvs
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I never saw him as quite like that. :P ;)
More like this dude-
(http://dma.wtw-x.net/DMA/DigimonStands/Bandai/V/Apocalymon.jpg)
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who is that? reminds me of a Digimon.
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who is that? reminds me of a Digimon.
funny you should mention that, seeing as how it is a digimon. apocalymon (sp?) to be exact.
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kewl! you actually looks pretty need. he could be crayak.
I've always thought of Crayak as big and hulking tho.
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i knew that was a digimon lol!
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I've always thought of Crayak as big and hulking tho.
apocalymon is pretty big...
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but he kinda looks skinny, and like a joker. more like the drode.
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uh...that's just his top fleshy part.
the bottom metal like part is very big in every way possible.
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so the whole base is also part of him?
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yep.
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well that does make him alot like crayak, who had the throne he sat on...
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Yeah, and like Crayak he's an incomprehensibly complex mix of the organic and the mechanical.
And here's a better pic of his polyhedronal body
(http://dma.wtw-x.net/DMA/DigimonStands/Bandai/G/DProject/ApocalymonDa.png)
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thats pretty crayaky, i cant remember his personality really though
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Not very Crayaky, actually, his notives for destrying the universe are pretty emo :P :D
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i remember being a kid and watching him on TV and thinking he was awesome, idk why i didnt connect him with crayak.
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it would be kewl if the whole thing were actually him...I mean, like not just a humanoid sitting atop a giant base.
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i pictured crayak as sauran
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i think he was actually based on him somewhat, i read somewhere that KA was a fan of LOTR series
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the eye thing would definately be kinda like LotR
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yeah a big red eye?
its very similar, but I think Crayaks persona is alot different.
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it would be kewl if the whole thing were actually him...I mean, like not just a humanoid sitting atop a giant base.
The whole thing is him.
We reached the Sauron conclusion in "Was Crayak trying to be selective, or just destroying because it was fun?", btw. :)
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it would be kewl if the whole thing were actually him...I mean, like not just a humanoid sitting atop a giant base.
The whole thing is him.
We reached the Sauron conclusion in "Was Crayak trying to be selective, or just destroying because it was fun?", btw. :)
yeah i think i remember that, we decided that the throne was him
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yeah, but it seems like he's disconnected to it or something.
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i just figured it was like, ellimists machine parts. He just decided to show himself with them.
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Lol, who are we still talking about, Crayak or Apocalymon? :P ;)
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yeah, i pictured the ellimist (like Apoclypticmon) like that, but not the crayak.
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Bump.
I was thinking about this character today. Does anyone know of fics involving it?
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is the one the being in book 41?
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No one knows who that is actually. But it could be
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maybe there's a whole hierarchy of superpowerful beings
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i just reread TEC and i thought the one seemed alot like father, maybe its another creature like him
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For me, Book 41 was the most annoying and unsatisfying book of the series. There didn't appear to be any continuity with the rest of the series, nor any mention of what happened to Jake later in the books. I thought perhaps it was Crayak at first, but there was no characteristic eyeball to announce his presence. The most logical possibility would be The One, since he is the only being mentioned in the series that might possibly have the ability to conjure up an alternate reality for Jake.
I definitely agree that The One and Father are similar in that they absorb other beings. I wonder: if Crayak could become the Ellimist's equal by entering the blackhole, it's possible for other similar beings which embody many other minds to achieve the same omnipotence as Crayak and the Ellimist. The Universe is very old - perhaps they already exist, and it's also likely that more will be created.
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hey brown i love your name lol
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For me, Book 41 was the most annoying and unsatisfying book of the series. There didn't appear to be any continuity with the rest of the series, nor any mention of what happened to Jake later in the books. I thought perhaps it was Crayak at first, but there was no characteristic eyeball to announce his presence.
If it were Crayak, I think Jake would have known. I personally (don't shoot me!) think that it was the Orff (or some "real life" version of them, which might have been different than the Orff as depicted in the "future") behind #41. I don't really know why, but they were really the only prominent species in the book aside from the usual ones so I figured they had some importance. They also seemed to be around everywhere in that "future world" - there were Orff in the Yeerk forces, and some in the resistance as well.
The Orff that attack Jake call themselves "the Orff" and not "Orff-Controllers" (and say they're "their own authority," which implies that they're not actually Yeerks per se) and they are never identified as Controllers explicitly, yet there are rebel Orff with the Evolution Front. Maybe Orff like to play Ellimist-style games with the futures of other people. Maybe it's like an MMORPG (MMOrffPG?) for them.
Too much theorizing. That'd be great fanfic material, there.
As for the guy who banished Crayak... I dunno, maybe it was The One. Perhaps The One is like an equivalent to Father... sort of like a Father-in-Law? Except that when he visits he absorbs everything he can. Maybe he absorbed Crayak in the end and came to our galaxy.
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lol a father in law that's funny
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I never thought of the One as being at the same tier in terms of power as the Crayak. More like a sub-Crayak or sub-Ellimist. at the same time I did think of the One as the Crayak equivalent to the Yeerks.
Crayak to the Yeerks
The One to the Kelbrids
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What do you mean like the one is with the kelbrids?
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As in equivalent. Like he'd be on the same "level" as the Crayak and Ellimist, but on the Kelbrid side. The Crayak has the Yeerks and the Ellimist has the Andalites, so The One has the Kelbrid.
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cool that would be an interesting fanfic
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yeah, that was always how i thought it might go.
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I definitly thought of the One as being a less powerful version of Crayak (sort of like Father) since he has a more physical form.
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I wonder if he is a race or a just a single weird entity.
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I am pretty sure that Crayak is based on Sauron and is a big red eye...
the difference between Crayak vs Ellimist and God vs Satan is that God is much more powerful than Satan. A story that illustrates this was told about Martin Luther by my religion teacher. When Martin Luther was translating the Bible into german whilst locked up in a castle for his own protect, he was having a terrible depressive episode (he is often retroactively diagnosed as being Manic Depressive/Bipolar) and was toss and turning and having the sensation of having his chest crushed, he woke up and saw the devil standing at the end of his bed. When Luther saw this he said "oh it's only you" and went back to sleep. My teacher said that what story meant was that people give the devil far too much credit (which he likes) and blame him for their evil actions rather than take responsibility (like David Berkowitz and a few other serial killers). The devil is basically a pathetic coward with little power beyond that of tempter. where as the Crayak and Ellimist are evenly matched which ties the Crayak and Ellimist into being more Mandaean or Zoroastrian.
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I love Zoroastrian. I think it is such an interesting religion.
anyway, I always thought the Ellimist was stronger, if only just slightly. Except that Crayak is more dangerous and destructive.
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Apparently the good one will win at the end of time in Zoroastrianism.
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so...the Ellimist. the zoroastrians must have been talking about him. ^^