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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Gumby on June 09, 2008, 08:41:56 PM
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If the Yeerks where really invading earth in a full scale assault, and the Animorphs where around, what would you do? Fight? hide? what?
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fight, no other option, i sure would prefer to have some morphing powers but oh well, beggers cant be choosers, and sci fi earth armies cant be too well armed
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Probably try and find a way to join the YPM and become a voluntary controller for a nice Yeerk who is not a power-control sadistic freak.
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why would you want to be infested? thats just crazy talk, you can still be part of a resistance w/o being a controller
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My first reaction would most likely include balling up under the covers for a while but when pushed Id like to believe I would fight, definitely wouldnt want the human race to be enslaved
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I would go rachel style.
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since there is no way we could compete with alien technology, and with the thought of free or dead, i would probably go into the yeerk pool guns-a-blazin and try to take out as many as i could
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That would depend. If I had the ability to morph, I'd find a useful and strong bird, find out where Visser Three tends to be, find myself a sniper and shoot that bastard from a mile away...preferably with an M82. Failing that, turn into a Hork Bajir and go crazy. And if I didn't have the ability to morph, go down to the gunstore, hole up there with a couple of mates and shoot anything that comes through the door, controller or not.
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Fight if I could morph, Hide with people with guns if I couldn't morph, Hide with the Chee if I couldn't morph and stumbled into one and recognised him, Die if all else fails (preferably by painless morphine overdose or a nice, quick, clean bullet, either one administered by my adoring Dad, who'd never let me be a Controller...he's a very '2nd Amendment, over-my-dead-body' type).
What can you do, y'know?
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why would you want to be infested? thats just crazy talk, you can still be part of a resistance w/o being a controller
Because I get lonely inside my head all by myself!
Besides, I have a very negative view of humanity in general and doubt that we would be saved - Animorphs or no. So when its all said or done and humanity is enslaved I'd rather have a nice alien in my head than a mean one.
Wow, I never realized I was such a defeatest before. Now I've depressed myself.
Well, if I could morph or something I would go Rachel style, totally. But only if I felt like I had some sort of weapon.
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I'd form a resistence by freeing as many hosts as possible, while still risking infestation. There's at least one way you could fake infestation...
After freeing them, along with a few adults, who'd (hopefully) be willing to join me, we'd leave the state and go from place to place freeing people.
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why would you want to be infested?
Because I get lonely inside my head all by myself!
Oh man....think if a Yeerk took over someone with MPS (Multiple Personality Syndrome). That would be awesome. Either you wouldn
't be alone, or someone would overpower and rape the slug.
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I'd commit suicide. (well I would)
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I'd commit suicide. (well I would)
hahaha i like your honesty!
I would hide.
If friends/family were in direct danger I would fight to save them, but I think if they all died and I was living in complete fear and everyone I cared for was gone, i'd also commit suicide.
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Well, while i was reading those posts, some people don't seem to understand the concept of fear. Suuuure.... you say these things, fight like Rachel or stuff, but i bet the sight of a single Hork-Bajir slashing his razor blades at you will keep you in nightmares for weeks (unless you're in predator morph, which is unlikely). I have been close to dying, no, not dying by sickness, actual near being dead, being killed by an animal, and I can tell you, fear can eat you out. It's like you want to beg not to die. It's not easy going Rachel, even with morphing power, believe me.
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which is why I said I'd commit suicide.
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Well, while i was reading those posts, some people don't seem to understand the concept of fear. Suuuure.... you say these things, fight like Rachel or stuff, but i bet the sight of a single Hork-Bajir slashing his razor blades at you will keep you in nightmares for weeks (unless you're in predator morph, which is unlikely). I have been close to dying, no, not dying by sickness, actual near being dead, being killed by an animal, and I can tell you, fear can eat you out. It's like you want to beg not to die. It's not easy going Rachel, even with morphing power, believe me.
I'll just quote it, in case anyone will miss this reply. Yeah, the most realistic, but not to mention depressing, choice is yours, morfowt. Some people just accept it. But isn't it better to live a fearful life than end one? Ehh... now i don't really understand what's better.... ???
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But isn't it better to live a fearful life than end one?
is that a trick question?
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is that a trick question?
Now that you mention it, i really do not know. Hmmm... maybe suicide is just against my morals, but... i don't know. There might still be hope. After all, a handful of morph capable guerilla warriors are out there fighting. ;)
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the topic was if the yeerks were really invading earth. didn't say the animorphs were fighting. If I knew the animorphs were fighting, I might just mind my own business, pretending not to know. If they weren't fighthing, I'd commit suicide.
Edit: never mind. apparently I didn't read the first post carefully enough. Ok I change my mind. I'd just go on pretending nothing's happening, because after all, the invasion's a secret.
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I'd like to say fight, but lets be honest, I'm not a soldier, I've never been in a fight, I've never fired a real gun and I've never encountered an alien. So right now I don't think I'm the best person to fight. I would definitely join the resistance, but my contribution to the war would most likely be working the kitchen or the stockroom. Possibly become a medic if I can get the training.
We can't all ride in and save the day.
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@ morfowt: I read something at the first post that some morph capable kids were fighting the war too, just like the animorphs. The situation is just we are one of the civilians, except the fact that we know about the invasion, or did i read it wrong again? :P
But if there were no Animorphs around, and we would have to depend on the Andalites. I would kiss the person I really cherish the most then let myself go whatever happens (most likely die). In other words, Prolonged Suicide.
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No, apparently I read it wrong. And I'd just go on pretending nothing's happening.
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Yeah, sorry, I didn't read the Edit... :P There are 4 possible things we could react if we knew it.
1. The morfowt way. Pretend nothing is happening (This still kind of sounds like suicide to me ;D)
2. The Mongoose way. Like what the campers at "The Resistance" did. Let's just hope no one flukes like the camper father.
3. The Rachel way. Act as a soldier. Part of the human shock troops. This is kind of rare. Fear can get into you. Believe me. Been there. Not Pleasant at all.
4. Surrender to the Yeerks.
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number 4 is about as low as you can get, if you ask me.
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Yeah, well, as Marco said, some people are just scum. :-\ They'd do anything just to live, even be a part of something that will kill millions (or billions).
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Like I said, I'm still going with lowly #4. Especially if there's some way I can get in with the YPM. If not...I guess I'd pretend nothing is happening as long as possible or try to help out in little ways. Looking back, yeah the Rachel thing is a tad unrealistic. I'm more of a Marco anyways. I don't come up with ideas, but I poke holes in them a whole lot. So if I were to resist I suppose I could somehow use that...
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Like I said, I'm still going with lowly #4. Especially if there's some way I can get in with the YPM. If not...I guess I'd pretend nothing is happening as long as possible or try to help out in little ways. Looking back, yeah the Rachel thing is a tad unrealistic. I'm more of a Marco anyways. I don't come up with ideas, but I poke holes in them a whole lot. So if I were to resist I suppose I could somehow use that...
Something tells me that even if you agree to become a host they don't have some computer dating type system to match you up with your ideal Yeerk partner. And even if they did I doubt you could ask for one that is considered a traitor.
You're the one who likes poking holes in other people's plans. :P
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looks like mongoose just poked a hole in your plan.
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I would gather together as many cans of food as I could along with a few guns and whatnot and go hide in a cave for as long as possible.
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I would fight and hide at the same time(If I had the morphing power I'd actually do a lot of hiding ;D and fight whenever there wasn't another option or if it was a battle I though I'd be able to win)
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I know i would be terrified. i would be scared to death. but i would still fight. even the Animorphs, even Rachel were scared to death. but they still fought. like Rachel said,
"Courage is not about not being scared. It's about being scared to death and still doing it anyway."
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As a joke I'd pour a large amount of salt in the yeerk pool. Seriously why didn't anyone think of that?
The idea of a guerrilla war is interesting though. I mean, it is impossible to win a guerrilla style war so the yeerks could not possible win. Furthermore, wouldn't defeating the yeerk in your head just be as simple as taking a large does of some drug. Not enough to kill the human, just to kill the slug. I really don't know what I'd do though. You can never really tell what someone will do if their life is on the line. I guess I would fight, but I don't think there would be any enlisting for me. Just not my style. Honestly I wouldn't sell people out, but I would prefer to take the yeerks out my own way. Like maybe with explosives or something like that. If the animorphs actually were real and fighting this war in real life, I would be amazed that they never really cracked.
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i myself would stock up on guns, ammo, food and hide for as long as possible... when i run out of food, I'll go out all guns a-blazin'!
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Yeah, Courage is like that, but how would you fight? Its not like those morph capable people will trust you the morphing power to fight alongside them. After all, you might be a controller just asking for morphing power.
And its not like you can directly attack the Yeerk Pool or base either, You would die ten minutes before you got to the entrance. How the hell will you get high calibre guns and explosives to blow up the Yeerk Pool Anyway?
Plus, the courage thing. Sure, Courage is beating your fear even if its there. But I doubt anyone could suddenly jst fight that fear. You will see what I mean when you know you are about to get KILLED. NOT DIE. KILLED. You really don't know how you would just love to beg to your killer, "Please don't kill me." Believe me, I've been there. Not that easy. The Animorphs were forced to fight because they were haunted by knowledge and responsibility, recieving the powers. They had no choice, plus they can defend themselves.
If it was me, I would try to help too, but not Rachel style. After all, I use my head, I know I can't directly fight the Yeerks Rachel style. Like, be a food supplier for soldiers. Or just plain hide. That would be the most probable reaction I could do.
Anyway, if the Yeerks win, humans will have a choice either to get burned by Andalites or be slaves of the Yeerks. That would be time for suicide.
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Anyway, if the Yeerks win, humans will have a choice either to get burned by Andalites or be slaves of the Yeerks. That would be time for suicide.
which is why i would fight.
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I would be a reporter for a yeerk-free news service, getting the truth out there to everyone about what exactly's going on.
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I'd probably fight. 8)
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I'd probaly organize a resistance and battle the yeerks guerrila style, using jit and run tactics.
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I would be a reporter for a yeerk-free news service, getting the truth out there to everyone about what exactly's going on.
I'm going to continue my existence under the assumption that that was a joke. :)
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I would take a rapier and go to a room full of taxxons and, well, you get the idea. ;)
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I would take a rapier and go to a room full of taxxons and, well, you get the idea. ;)
Any shotgun is infintiely better against Taxxons than a rapier. Even a 20 gauge with birdshot.
If I found out, I would definately fight guerilla style. I live in the South so acquiring fully automatic and high power rifles arent a big deal. An AK-47 round does more than enough damage to incapacitate or 1 shot kill a Hork-Bajir. However me, I find Visser 3's feeding spot and stake it out. When he feeds in Andalite form, 1 shot from a concealed spot about 400 yards away. Imagine what a .338 Lapua Magnum round would do to an Andalite head.
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Imagine what a .338 Lapua Magnum round would do to an Andalite head.
hmmm....that got me thinking. would that automatically kill the yeerk. normally when the host dies, the yeerk survives. However, if like you said, the blow was to the head, would it kill the yeerk as well?
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Yeerk+ host... killed....
Getting into a room full of Taxxons with a rapier and a shotgun... is suicide. The stench would kill you.
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I live in the South so acquiring fully automatic and high power rifles arent a big deal.
i live in frankston down the road from a gun shop... they have a bloody M-82 A1 (.50 caliber sniper rifle) for **** sake
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With a rapier, just kill 3 Taxxons and the other taxxons finish the job.
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We'd have no choice but to fight, since running isn't an option even if we wanted to. Besides, the Yeerks want at least some of us alive to take as hosts, so they couldn't just wipe us out from orbit, they'd have to send down soldiers to fight us on the ground. And that's where our numbers will work against them. Sure a Hork-Bajir (and maybe even a Taxxon) could beat us in hand to hand combat, but Earth has a hell of a lot of guns and others weapons, and as Visser 1 pointed out, one shot in head by a pistol will easily kill a Hork-Bajir (and Taxxons are dead as soon as they start to bleed!)
There's also the will to survive and our habit of never giving up to take into account. As stated in book 6, humans will often carry on fighting even if they think all is lost, but Yeerks won't. And that's why we'd win...
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I'd want to believe that I'd fight, but in all honesty, I'm pretty sure I'd give up and commit suicide. Maybe i'll fight for a while, but then I'd give up. like eva said in visser:
But the truth is, Marco, humans do submit. Not all, and not always, but some, maybe most. Enough will submit
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Like I said, I'm still going with lowly #4. Especially if there's some way I can get in with the YPM. If not...I guess I'd pretend nothing is happening as long as possible or try to help out in little ways. Looking back, yeah the Rachel thing is a tad unrealistic. I'm more of a Marco anyways. I don't come up with ideas, but I poke holes in them a whole lot. So if I were to resist I suppose I could somehow use that...
Something tells me that even if you agree to become a host they don't have some computer dating type system to match you up with your ideal Yeerk partner. And even if they did I doubt you could ask for one that is considered a traitor.
You're the one who likes poking holes in other people's plans. :P
I don't think Terenia was proposing going to the Empire Yeerks and asking to be given a PM Yeerk. They don't know who the PM Yeerks are, for obvious reasons. I think she was saying, if there was a way she could contact the PM directly, she would become a voluntary controller to a PM Yeerk.
To answer the thread, I have no clue what I'd do. I've never been in a war, so I honestly can't say. I know that's a boring response, but it's the most truthful one.
We'd have no choice but to fight, since running isn't an option even if we wanted to. Besides, the Yeerks want at least some of us alive to take as hosts, so they couldn't just wipe us out from orbit, they'd have to send down soldiers to fight us on the ground. And that's where our numbers will work against them. Sure a Hork-Bajir (and maybe even a Taxxon) could beat us in hand to hand combat, but Earth has a hell of a lot of guns and others weapons, and as Visser 1 pointed out, one shot in head by a pistol will easily kill a Hork-Bajir (and Taxxons are dead as soon as they start to bleed!)
There's also the will to survive and our habit of never giving up to take into account. As stated in book 6, humans will often carry on fighting even if they think all is lost, but Yeerks won't. And that's why we'd win...
As v1 said, five billion humans all firing a single bullet would easily wipe out the Yeerk forces in an all-out war, even if they missed most of the time. But the point is, five billion wouldn't be firing that bullet. Looking at what the world is really like, I have a sneaking suspicion most of the 5 billion would be firing the bullets at each other over arguments about what to do about the Yeerk threat. Nice to think about us uniting against a common enemy, but unrealistic IMHO. We could be taken by all-out war, especially if the Yeerks already had enough infested to outnumber the rest.
As a joke I'd pour a large amount of salt in the yeerk pool. Seriously why didn't anyone think of that?
The idea of a guerrilla war is interesting though. I mean, it is impossible to win a guerrilla style war so the yeerks could not possible win. Furthermore, wouldn't defeating the yeerk in your head just be as simple as taking a large does of some drug. Not enough to kill the human, just to kill the slug. I really don't know what I'd do though. You can never really tell what someone will do if their life is on the line. I guess I would fight, but I don't think there would be any enlisting for me. Just not my style. Honestly I wouldn't sell people out, but I would prefer to take the yeerks out my own way. Like maybe with explosives or something like that. If the animorphs actually were real and fighting this war in real life, I would be amazed that they never really cracked.
Firstly, I don't think the Yeerk would let you do that :P But anyway, it wouldn't affect the Yeerk at all, because you don't share any blood with your Yeerk, just neurone connections, and the drug couldn't be passed through those. (At least, the way it seems from the series you don't share blood with your Yeerk. But then how do they get oxygen when in the brain?... If you try to look too deeply into the physiology behind Animorphs, it falls apart :P...) You'd just end up making yourself feel ill. Shame though, it's a good idea.
Dunno if the salt would affect the Yeerks. They may look like slugs, but I don't know if their physiology is the same. You'd have to ask Ax, and hope it wasn't one of the lectures where he wasn't really paying attention :P
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The main component of the pool is water.
Salt dissolves and absorbs water.
I'm quite certain that it would affect a Yeerk the same as it would any Earth slug.
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I would be a reporter for a yeerk-free news service, getting the truth out there to everyone about what exactly's going on.
I'm going to continue my existence under the assumption that that was a joke. :)
Why's that ????
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The main component of the pool is water.
Salt dissolves and absorbs water.
I'm quite certain that it would affect a Yeerk the same as it would any Earth slug.
I know the salt would be dissolved in the water. I'm just querying whether it would be absorbed by the Yeerks in sufficient quantity to kill them. After all, we never see a large number of Yeerks going mad after the Anis dump oatmeal into the pool, so maybe they are able to prevent the entry of harmful substances/ too much nutrients into their cells, or remove them from their cells before they can do any damage. It may be unlikely, but it's possible. Just because Yeerks look like Earth slugs is no guarantee they have similar physiology. After all, they evolved on a totally different planet. I'd agree with you, it is likely the salt would affect them (although you'd need a lot for the whole pool), but not necessarily certain.
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actually the drug thing might work because the yeerks can still get the rush from oatmeal if their host eats it, maybe its their choice of whether or not to tap into the hosts nutrients
yeerks vs humans would actually be kinda close, the yeerks would have no problem killing every army in the world from orbit, it would still be less than 5% of the pop (i dno what it would actually be, that sounds about right tho)
ive already said id fight, guerilla style, make some homemade explosives, blow up key locations stuff like that, yea id be afraid, but id get over it, ive dealt with fear before
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actually the drug thing might work because the yeerks can still get the rush from oatmeal if their host eats it, maybe its their choice of whether or not to tap into the hosts nutrients
yeerks vs humans would actually be kinda close, the yeerks would have no problem killing every army in the world from orbit, it would still be less than 5% of the pop (i dno what it would actually be, that sounds about right tho)
ive already said id fight, guerilla style, make some homemade explosives, blow up key locations stuff like that, yea id be afraid, but id get over it, ive dealt with fear before
Yeah, good point about the oatmeal! Although oatmeal does seem to be a special case in all kinds of ways... maybe they do tap into the blood supply, somehow, then. That would explain how they get oxygen. Yet it doesn't explain why they can't just get all the nutrients they need from the host, and not have to go to the Yeerk Pool to feed...
Yet Visser One never mentions being affected by the drug her old host Jenny Lines took, despite continuing its use. So yeah, maybe it's a choice.
However, the fact remains that any Yeerk that allowed it's host to take a large quantity of toxic drugs in order to kill it would be a very stupid Yeerk indeed :P
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i never understood why the hosts in the cages werent just constantly trying to commit suicide, it wouldnt have been that easy but, well i do understand, kids story and all but im just saying lol
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Good point, Duff. Why weren't they beating their brains out on the bars?
If the cages were against the walls and not out in the center of the floor, the ones in the back would be able to die without interruption by the Hork-Bajir guards.
If they failed, they could ask the others to strangle them.
A lot of people carry pocket-knives, and the nails in a standard shoe are extremely sharp.
Kids' story? Seems rather violent, though, considering.
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Good point, Duff. Why weren't they beating their brains out on the bars?
If the cages were against the walls and not out in the center of the floor, the ones in the back would be able to die without interruption by the Hork-Bajir guards.
If they failed, they could ask the others to strangle them.
A lot of people carry pocket-knives, and the nails in a standard shoe are extremely sharp.
Kids' story? Seems rather violent, though, considering.
yea but how many of them would really be up for strangling another person, i dno if i could do it, id like to think i could but that has got to be difficult
and yea its a violent kids story but there really isnt a way to make suicide fit without it being way too unneccessary and they'd never have the time to address it properly if its just a passing yeerk pool scene
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A lot of people carry pocket-knives, and the nails in a standard shoe are extremely sharp.
I'm sure the first time the host thought "hey maybe I could kill myself when I'm free" the yeerk would make sure not to carry anything that would allow that down to the yeerk pool. Although I have to mention I dont think I have ever owned a pair of shoes with nails in them.
Would the beating yourself silly on the bars really work? I mean you'd be more likely to knock yourself unconcious than kill yourself. And once your out you cant do much more to kill yourself. I think strangling eachother would be almost the only way, and like duff said.... how many people would be able to strangle another?
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It's VERY easy to break a neck, though. 60 lbs per square inch, torque, and *crack*.
Don't ask.
Also, anything you carry can be used to kill you. You can hang yourself with a SHIRT. You can strangle yourself on the elastic in your UNDEROOS, for pity's sake. Shoelaces are even better.
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I would be a reporter for a yeerk-free news service, getting the truth out there to everyone about what exactly's going on.
I'm going to continue my existence under the assumption that that was a joke.
Why's that ?
Yeerk-free news service. Yeerk-free news service. Every time I say it, it just gets funnier and FUNNIER!
*falls off of chair, laughing hysterically*
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It's VERY easy to break a neck, though. 60 lbs per square inch, torque, and *crack*.
Trouble is you can't break your own neck, so you'd need to find someone to break it for you. How many necks would you be willing to break?
Also, anything you carry can be used to kill you. You can hang yourself with a SHIRT. You can strangle yourself on the elastic in your UNDEROOS, for pity's sake. Shoelaces are even better.
The biggest problem is that the Yeerk is in your head reading your thoughts. Once that idea enters your mind then you'll find yourself wearing skintight t-shirts, sandals and going commando every time you visit the pool and there's nothing you can do about it.
They may even have their own version of suicide watch.
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It IS quite possible to break your own neck. Ask my Da. (fell something like three stories, but he can walk, so HEY whaddayaknow?)
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Well, I imagine not all hosts want to commit suicide, for a start, especially not while there's 'Andalite bandits' out there. Some may be more likely to want to keep fighting for their freedom, and killing yourself isn't exactly an easy thing to do, psychologically as well as physically. At least if you're alive there's still some hope. And killing another person, that's even harder. There's quite a gap between being unwilling host and trying to escape, and hating it so much you'd try anything to kill yourself. I don't think it's split into totally voluntary, and those who would die rather than continue to be infested, I think there's more of a continuum than that.
And of course, the Yeerk in your head would know if you were thinking of a clever plan to kill yourself. Not only would they be able to prevent you carrying anything remotely dangerous, they could ask the pool guards to knock you unconscious for the duration, or maybe put you in bio-stasis cages like we see in number 16. Also, when the Anis blow up the Yeerk pool and are freeing the involuntaries to run, there is something mentioned about unlocking head harnesses, so maybe they strap them down so they can't damage themselves?
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Of course, it could always occur to you on sudden impulse, which certainly isn't a rare thing.
I see what you're saying, though.
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Yeerk-free news service. Yeerk-free news service. Every time I say it, it just gets funnier and FUNNIER!
*falls off of chair, laughing hysterically*
Could you PLEASE explain why before I get annoyed :sylar:?!
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Of course, it could always occur to you on sudden impulse, which certainly isn't a rare thing.
I see what you're saying, though.
It could, but to develop an elaborate scheme to do it would take more time, and your Yeerk would know about it.
I reckon the guards watch the cages like hawks, though. With Dracons (on stun) at the ready.
Just straightforward cages always seemed a little low-tech for the Yeerks, though. Why not just use bio-stasis? Or Ramonite boxes, like we see with Ax in, was it MM1? Maybe it's V3 cost cutting. (Of course, it's really that you couldn't then have plotlines like trying to free Tom so easily, and you couldn't get across the horrors of the Yeerk pool through involuntaries screaming... but fun to speculate :P)
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The Yeerks clearly didn't see the need for bio-stasis or Ramonite boxes to contain lowly humans. A normal cage would hold a human (or probably even a Hork-Bajir) perfectly well. Also, I imagine that bio-stasis requires an energy source (so why waste that energy?) and Ramonite probably isn't common (plus they're more likely to use their Ramonite supply to build ships or Andalite-proof cages or something).
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Remember, the Yeerks live in our brains. They know how we think. They know what we fear, and what humiliates and degrades us.
They know that, as a culture, America values freedom over ANYTHING else. (Or at least it says that it does.)
What could be more degrading and humiliating than to throw American Humans into a cage?
It is the ultimate psychological put-down.
The humans can't do ANYTHING about it, and they know it.
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Good point.
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Thank you. :)
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that is a good point, but i don't think its just america that values its freedom...everyone does.
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Hmmmm, I think if were going to continue the freedom thing, we should reach an all-encompassing defintion of "freedom". 'Cause think of it this way-Yeerks value their freedom as much as, if not more than us, but to them that means they have to take a host, otherwise they don't have the freedom of sight, hearing, hands...
food for thought. ;)
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those arent freedoms those are powers, kinda different, i see what you mean tho, maybe once they try it once they start to view them as necessities
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Of course, other countries value freedom, but few are quite so...vocal...about it.
It is deeply ingrained into the minds of youth, every time they say the Pledge of Allegiance:
Liberty...for all.
For the Yeerks, this wouldn't be at all about THEIR perception of freedom.
This is psychology. They are using our brains against us, because they CAN, and because it WORKS.
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But we would probably do the same thing.
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Hmmmm, I think if were going to continue the freedom thing, we should reach an all-encompassing defintion of "freedom". 'Cause think of it this way-Yeerks value their freedom as much as, if not more than us, but to them that means they have to take a host, otherwise they don't have the freedom of sight, hearing, hands...
food for thought. ;)
I second that. Exactly. It all depends on what is meant by freedom, as often obtaining one kind of freedom is at the expense of another kind of freedom either for you or for somebody else. "Freedom" is such a broad thing.
And how much do we humans (American or otherwise) really value freedom? How much do we really have it? I imagine most people on this board attend a job, or school. Most either do or will in the future pay some of their money to another group of humans who will decide what to do with it (taxes). This group is very marginally influenced by each individual, as each has one out of several million votes. Often at one particular time the group of individuals in power isn't the group you yourself would support, as is the case with any Democrats in America at the moment, for example. Yet you still allow them to take decisions for you, restrict your freedom by obeying those decisions, etc.
Most of us would probably support the imprisonment of serial killers, restricting their freedom. OK, you can make an argument they are hurting others: but I imagine most of us would also support the illegality (and imprisonment of offenders) of hard drugs like heroin and cocaine. Why, if we believe so strongly in freedom? They're only harming themselves: isn't it their choice? I imagine most of us also support the keeping of domesticated pets .e.g. cats, dogs, horses etc. even though this restricts their freedom. I know I do, I have a horse and a dog.
The latter is closest to how the Yeerks view us, of course. I'm not saying I disagree with any of the above things. A world where every individual had true and total freedom of mind, speech and body would be a) impossible (because so much of how we behave is shaped by instincts and upbringing) and b) utter anarchy. I'm just using this to illustrate my opinion that the idea of freedom being so important is flawed.
And the thing with the bio-stasis and Ramonite- I imagine they would use that if hosts were constantly trying to commit suicide, certainly bio-stasis would prevent that happening. So the fact that they don't suggests it isn't as common as has been suggested on here.
But we would probably do the same thing.
If this is referring to what the Yeerks do: I second that. But there is no 'probably' about it: horses, dogs, cats, zoos, aquariums, farm animals, are all instances where we use our brains against other species because we can, and restrict their freedom. And it is about our feelings about our own rights or freedoms: to have the freedom to own a guard dog, or a family pet; the freedom to participate in showjumping; the freedom to visit the zoo and see animals up close. If anyone made a law against any of these things, chances are a lot of people on this forum, including me (although some zoos and circuses I would gladly see banned), would oppose it. All these, I would argue, are much more trivial than the freedom to move and see and hear.
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Humans are people. Horses, dogs, cats, and farm animals aren't.
I love animals and I support animal rights! But I know at the end of the day my dog will hump my leg if it wants to; and that gorillas and chimps can't sing or draw. ::)
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If this is referring to what the Yeerks do: I second that. But there is no 'probably' about it: horses, dogs, cats, zoos, aquariums, farm animals, are all instances where we use our brains against other species because we can, and restrict their freedom. And it is about our feelings about our own rights or freedoms: to have the freedom to own a guard dog, or a family pet; the freedom to participate in showjumping; the freedom to visit the zoo and see animals up close. If anyone made a law against any of these things, chances are a lot of people on this forum, including me (although some zoos and circuses I would gladly see banned), would oppose it. All these, I would argue, are much more trivial than the freedom to move and see and hear.
I agree with everything you said except this. You can't compare Yeerks : Humans and Humans : Animals. We are sentient. Those animals aren't. I know, some people take this too far and abuse animals, but most people love their pets. They care, feed, and love them. Yeerks don't do love. :)
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well some yeerks do. not love, exactly, but a friendship.
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There's no evolutonary advantage to love, beacuse they form in threes and then die to form to reproduce.
And yet they still show sometimes the capacity for love.
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Read Visser.
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hehehehe... sorry... but hey, those two Yeerks were the only exception. And the reason they loved was probably because their hosts also loved each other... thus influencing them. But... I really can't imagine Yeerks loving... sure, friendship and loyalty were existing.. .but not really love... except Visser One and his subordinate of course... :)
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what about that yeerk in #8?
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those two Yeerks were the only exception
There is no such thing as "The Only Exception". Where there is one exception, there can be another.
Probability rules.
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I think the love that Yeerks can experience is a companionship sort of love, rather than a romantic love. The romantic part of their love has to be displayed through their hosts if they don't want to kick it.
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well, here is my theory:yeerk personalities are like anyother creature, the are a result of memories, learned experences, and the driving force (the thing that holds it altogether, it is also called the Soul).
but if a yeerk continually infests one type of person (not species but person) the yeerk starts to adopt (uncounisly) emotional traits of that host.
an example of this would be a yeerk who infests a host who has a overwheling love for an indiviual, will sooner or latter start feeling the same way. likewise, if a yeerk infests a host that is continually depressed, eventually the yeerk starts feel the same way.
the barriors between minds is a frailge thing and it is all to easy for one mind to (unknowingly) adopt the traits of another.
as for the topic it's self:
chances are we (the human race) would fight to the end and that end would problely end up being using the M.A.D. Staragy and nuking everyone and everything in process.
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How did this topic move from what would you do if earth was really invaded by the yeerks to yeerk romance? ???
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read all the previous posts and you'll probably find out.
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This sounds uber funny but...
Yeerks+ Human host= Yeerk love?
Since Jake's yeerk in 6 had no interpretation of love whatsoever....
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If the planet would be attacked... it depend on who I meet at first:
Andalite? Yeerk? Animorph?
Andalite or Animorph => I'd fight, of course... I'd be a kind of Rachel one... but who think more of course... and who try more to kill herself than the others ^_^' May be I wouldn't be a good part of the team! lol
Yeerk => already said... I'd become a resistant or make my Yeerk become crazy...
We can't really know since we aren't attacked ;)
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Add FEAR to the mix... and it will mess up everything you have written there. I promise you that.
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Sorry, I'm not afraid very easily... particulary if there is a way to die ^_^'
The thing who afraid me the most is to have a long boring life and to be totally useless... because it's what I already live since I'm born.
You don't know me... I'm calm when a boy try to hit me with a big knife, I'm calm (may be too calm, poor woman ^_^') when my neighboor come to tell me that there is fire in her car (it made me smile... poor woman ^_^'). I laugh or smile when people tell me sad things, very often, I can't stop me from doing that... I don't act how many people act... so how do you know I wouldn't act like that? How can you know who will be a resistant and who won't? Even me, I don't really know if I would be a resistant, but I'd try to... in one way or another...
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Dameg, my dear, sometimes you make me laugh. A lot. You are so wonderfully kind to all of us at RAF, and yet you talk about your Real Life self as something from the Dark Side. I am almost exactly the opposite, in the sense that I will put the facts of something well before the emotions of anyone involved, but in Real Life I have always been a Nancy Drew-Goodie Two Shoes-Teachers' Pet type (but only in actions; I always say what I feel like saying, regardless of who hears, 'cause anything else feels like lying).
;D
I've already said that I'd resist, until such a point that it became impossible.
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The Dark Side? Don't know... My friends just say I'm horribly pessimistic... I just think I'm logical, realistic and honest (in the bad way of it, may be...)
But if I make you laugh, it's great ^_^ If I can make somebody happy, it's agreat evolution for me :p
PS: Nancy Drew-Goodie Two Shoes-Teachers' Pet type <= may you explain, please? ^_^'
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:) Of course.
1. Nancy Drew is a character in an American book and movie series. She is a girl-detective, and she is always very sweet, friendly, and adorable. She even makes cookies for people. *shudder*
2. Goodie two shoes is sorta' hard to explain...it is like being a suck-up (or kiss-a**, if you prefer) AND being morally superior, at the same time. You always do the RIGHT thing, and it annoys the heck out of everyone else.
3. Teachers' Pet is the favourite student of every teacher in a school, usually the smartest and best behaved kid in the class. Everyone else BUT the teacher is usually nauseated by the teachers' pet, but the teacher adored the kid.
Is that clear enough? :)
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I was a teachers' pet in my first year in china. is it wrong to be nice and like your teachers?
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I think I'd fight, I'd hate to think I'd turn my back on my entire planet. If the aliens were like Yeerks I'd probably try to find the good ones and work with them, though not necessarily let one in my head. It depends, maybe if they ask nicely. x3
On the subject of Yeerk love, I like the idea that a Yeerk can love another Yeerk, or at least feel the love of their host for another human host ("exaggerated sympathy", rawfl). Yeerks themselves can probably feel very strong connections to other Yeerks, like friends and siblings (what about twins who work together, or that guy in #8 like morfowt mentioned). Whether it's love or not is kind of a fine line, if you grieve when a sibling dies (Aftran) or a close um, grubhood friend (Eslin in #8) is killed, or whether you abandon your own people because you love living as a human and you care enough for the other Yeerk you're with to have kids with him...I think you could call those things as much love as the love-starved Yeerks can experience. It's just new to them, that's all.
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Myitt > So cute *_* I don't know if they feel "love" as Humans usually feel it... (May be I like to write fanfictions about Yeerks because I never felt "love", only "friendship"...=> ) It's the way I see them... I think they have a kind of "love", but not exactly the same than Humans...
And thanks for the explaination, Estelore... In French "teacher's pet" is "chouchou" (du prof= of the teacher) ;p I think I never was a teacher's pet... and one of my teachers really seemed to hate me ^_^' (it was many years ago....)
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I think I never was a teacher's pet... and one of my teachers really seemed to hate me ^_^' (it was many years ago....)
I had one teacher, in 5th grade (so I was 10), who said dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time...this would not stand. I, evil little kid that I was, politely said I disagreed...and then wrote to a university paleontologist, who sent me a letter telling me the evidence of dinosaurs and humans being separated by millions of years. Unless you count birds, mwahahaa...so I showed the letter to her in front of the class. I think she must have really LOVED me after that. Oh yes. I bet the other kids loved me too, that's like the opposite of a teacher's pet, it's the know it all that annoys everyone XD That's the only time I did that, because....it was dinosaurs. Come on now. xD;;; *hides*
Back on Yeerks...yeah, they seem to have the capacity to act on what their hosts feel, so maybe they can learn to love. Awwww. ^^
For that matter do Yeerks dream? Do they even sleep? Okay, another off topic tangent...x3
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lol!
I think they can dream ^_^ Why not?
And for sleeping... I think it's about like horses who sleep standing, or shark who sleep swimming... They continue to "block" the host (so the host can't move) but sleep in the same time. For example, when Eva, before her false-death, wake up in the night to say to her husband to never work for military (or something like that), I think Edriss (her Yeerk, Visser 1) was sleeping too well and loose the control...
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Well, I guess, when i dreamnt something about the Yeerks attacking Earth without morph capable warriors of light to defend us... I felt... kinda... afraid or something. Although I still had a sense of trying to protect the people i love, I still decided not to fight. I decided to defend those people around me instead.
I guess I think like Marco the way you think like Jake/Rachel. Maybe I just want to concentrate on staying alive, and making sure the people I love stay alive as well. I'd fight hard too, but not to win the war. Just to protect the ones I love. If it helps save the world in the process, that's just the bonus points. What I really want is the security of my friends and family... I guess... :)
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You're right. Protecting our family and/or our friends is important and already enough hard ^_^'
When I think about Yeerks attacking Earth without any Animorphs to fight... I'm sure Yeerks would win... ^_^'
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That is what my fan-fic is like. A group of non-morph capable humans who fight the yeerks.
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Oooh this is interesting!
I think I'd honestly pretend nothing was happening. I've always liked aliens so I'd be cursing the mean aliens for coming and giving a bad name to all the other aliens. And then I'd tell everyone else not to worry, the good guys will get here eventually and stop them. I would probably just sit back and wait since I'm no fighter. Unless they attacked my friends or family. Then my temper would take over and I'd fight to protect them. I'd fight if the animorphs or someone else with some supernatural power came to me too, I'd act just like those trekkies in #47 most likely. If somebody normal with guns came asking me to fight I'd probably say no though. That wouldn't be cool enough to convince me to get into danger. :p
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Unless the Andalites come, yeah, The Yeerks would really win.... So sad.... :'(
Anyway, this may sound selfish but, this would be my priorities.
1. Protect youself
1. Protect the ones you love
2. Protect those around you.
3. Protect Earth.
z. Protect your enemies never. ;D
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JSF > True, it's a good idea!!
In fact, I forgot this:
No Animorphs => Yeerks win, Humans lose, but Andalites win and destroy Earth
No Animorphs neither Andalites => Yeerks win, Humans lose... Yeerks destroy a part of Earth...
The only way, if no Andalite, no Animorph help, is to use politic to protect what you can...
Protect your enemy: never... I agree, but you can try to understand your enemy and make a deal... when you have no other choice...
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z. Protect your enemies never. ;D
I don't know. if I was protecting him from my side, that would be bad. but protecting him from say visser 3...that might be a good thing.
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I'd like to say I would choose to fight. The main motive would be protecting loved ones. However, what I would like to say I'd do and what I might ACTUALLY do are probably two different things. It's hard to put yourself in a situation because some people, I know I do, would put themselves in a favorable light. Like "oh yeah! Sure I'd fight!" but if ever presented with that real chance they would probably decline or hide or something.
Yeah...*crickets* I'll stop trying to be deep now. Don't think I'm very good at it.
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As a superhero you'd be Really Deep Man, cause you're really deep, man.
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As a superhero you'd be Really Deep Man, cause you're really deep, man.
;D HA! That cracked me up. No, seriously, I laughed out loud and my sister looked me like I was crazy.
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I got that offa MST3K.
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I got that offa MST3K.
I love MST3K! Been watching a bunch on YouTube. That stuff is hilarious.
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Really Deep Man fights alongside Lumberman in the League of 185, formerly known as the league of 85.
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why would you want to be infested?
Because I get lonely inside my head all by myself!
Oh man....think if a Yeerk took over someone with MPS (Multiple Personality Syndrome). That would be awesome. Either you wouldn
't be alone, or someone would overpower and rape the slug.
rape the slug lol
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I'd totally fight. Die Yeerks die!
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Wow...that was intelligent ::)
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ROTFL. I agree venomosspiderwookie e. that was so deep... :)
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you mean deep like I could be on 10 mile long stilts and would be nowhere near the surface, or deep like I could step on it and not get my feet wet?
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It was so deep that if you stepped on that ocean, your feet would be sand dry.... :)
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I'd fight. No other option.
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actually there's always another option. not always good options, but options.
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And what options wouyld those be? Become a slave of your own body?
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yeah. that's an option. not a good option, but an option.
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I would fight, because there would be a very unpleasant place if we lost. I would rather be dead then have a yeerk in my head. (Hey, that rhymes)
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hehehehe... sorry... but hey, those two Yeerks were the only exception. And the reason they loved was probably because their hosts also loved each other... thus influencing them. But... I really can't imagine Yeerks loving... sure, friendship and loyalty were existing.. .but not really love... except Visser One and his subordinate of course... :)
Visser One and Essam was a special case, I agree, as they were very much influenced by the emotions of their hosts. However, there are other examples of Yeerk love where the hosts don't come into it at all: Aftran's love for her brother, which prompted her to, dangerously, follow a suspected Andalite bandit, and to steal a Dracon Beam, the punishment for which is "very painful". And I think with Yeerks, "very painful" means PAINFUL.
There's also the example of Eslin, who betrayed V3 and worked with an Andalite (consider how much the two species hate each other), due to his love/friendship for Derane. He describes this as originating very early on and continuing throughout their respective rise through the ranks through numerous hosts. And the way he describes it seems pretty close to the way human love might be described.
Visser One and Essam (and their love for their human children) was really human love, and wouldn't have occured without the confusion between themselves and their hosts. It's actually a really bad example of Yeerk love. However, the other two examples clearly stem from the Yeerks themselves.
I know this is an old quote, but I felt the need to answer this.
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True, I think it was more outlawed and alien than impossible for Yeerks...and there's definite sibling affection.
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Fight, like mess, and die if no other option presents itself, preferably in the act of setting off a nuke nearby a major enemy asset.
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we could do nothing
1.we wouldn't even know
2.even if thier werepowers
would never get any 'cause david
3.we would never find the animorphs
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Babette, I think that the going assumption is that we ARE aware.
Welcome to RAF!
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I'd go by instinct (which I nearly always do in any situation). Especially if my niece was in danger, I fight like a mad man. I'd like to think that I would be able to think on my feet and survive, if not do damage to them. I personally don't enjoy fighting, but push me to the corner and I'll fight back. (I had to learn this the hard way, my little sister thought by the sole virtue of being female that it granted her the undeniable right to beat the -- well, you know what -- out of me.)
Unfortunately, I know that I am quick to anger (can't blame my Irish blood, that'll be an excuse) and that anger would probably write my death sentence -- or infestation date.
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lol, CloakedFigure, funny.
I'd fight no matter what, don't care.
schizophrenia. evil. TWO IS ENOUGH!!
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If there was an all out war...we would fighting a desperately losing battle. However, I think we would be able to deal a whole massive amount of damage to the Yeerks. I mean, why else would the Council of Thirteen opt for a secretive invasion? The costs the other way would be way too high.
However, if there were an all out war do you think other alien races might help? Like races we haven't heard about? That happens all the time in Animorphs...it seems like Earth is a pretty popular place.
Of course...we'd hold off the Yeerk invasion for a few months....before the Andalites come and wipe ALL of us Yeerk and Human off the face of the map! haha.
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i'd try and fight. But i think that i'll most likely end up hiding :P
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I'd want to morph and fight as long as possible.
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Why do you assume you would have the morphing power? Only six humans had it between The Invasion and The Answer. Only five were at the construction site when Elfangor landed and if the Yeerks were invading on a full frontal scale, it's entirely possible the Andaltes would have sent a larger and more formidable fighting force. Which means that Elfangor might have never landed on Earth and no one would have been given morphing.
In all likelihood, if we had the kind of invasion the OP seems to be referring to, it would be more like Megamorphs 4 and you'd be lucky if you could get ahold of a baseball bat, much less the power to morph.
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I'd like to say I'd want to join the fight, but in reality I'd probably just take several years supply of maple flavored instant oatmeal and go underground.
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I just said it'd be my ideal, that's all. I also think I've been in too many RPs...it's easy to forget that it's not easy to get the power like in the games. (although there's always the auxiliaries, if somebody were disabled, though I'm not.)
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In an all-out war? Interesting. I'm not sure what action I would take.
You see, my first instinct would be to stay close to my parents and protect them from harm. I could not bear it if my folks became Controllers, and I would defend them at any cost. Death would be no object in comparison to the freedom of someone like my father. For miserable and sad reasons, they would murder my mother. She is, as it were, useless as a Yeerk host. :( I am by far the most viable host body in my family.
But if for some reason I were alone, I would surrender and become a voluntary Controller for intensely personal, ironically selfish reasons. Partially because I always pick what I believe to be the winning side and partially because I am not afraid of either enslavement or dependency. The Yeerk in question would gain a shockingly passive and very peculiar host out of the bargain. I'm worried less about losing my freedom and more about the Yeerk's reaction. XD
So really it would depend on my assessment of who was winning and who I was with.
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I would wear earplugs and carry a cuple of knifes
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I would wear earplugs and carry a cuple of knifes
uh...why?
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Ok, this is an old tread,but heres what I think.
Soldiers.
US army rangers,Russian Spetznas,and overall soldiers vs Hork-Bajir a Taxxons.
Edge. Earth wins 80 percent
Tanks, artillery etc. As far as the books go the yeerks have none.
Air.
Bug fighters vs jet fighters.
Edge.Bug fighters win 70 percent
WMD
Pool ship Dracon beams vs nukes and vacuum bombs (russia's Father Of All Bombs).
Edge. I dont know
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I think there's an old thread I made about who would win in a Yeerk/human war.
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Ok, this is an old tread,but heres what I think.
Soldiers.
US army rangers,Russian Spetznas,and overall soldiers vs Hork-Bajir a Taxxons.
Edge. Earth wins 80 percent
Tanks, artillery etc. As far as the books go the yeerks have none.
Air.
Bug fighters vs jet fighters.
Edge.Bug fighters win 70 percent
WMD
Pool ship Dracon beams vs nukes and vacuum bombs (russia's Father Of All Bombs).
Edge. I dont know
Keep in mind the Yeerk's have energy beams that can cut through ****ing mountains and vaporize giant spaceships, so I doubt nukes or any missile would be an issue.
Bug Fighters versus our stuff is no contest, they can blast our missiles down with ease and I doubt the 40mm Vulcan would no much against their shielding.
Yeerks would crush on in the initial onslaught, but when it burned down to the up-close and personal urban and mountain combat, oh and jungle warfare, that's where it would all go to hell.
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the topic was if the yeerks were really invading earth. didn't say the animorphs were fighting. If I knew the animorphs were fighting, I might just mind my own business, pretending not to know. If they weren't fighthing, I'd commit suicide.
Edit: never mind. apparently I didn't read the first post carefully enough. Ok I change my mind. I'd just go on pretending nothing's happening, because after all, the invasion's a secret.
Recruit terrorists to launch suicide attacks against the Yeerks?