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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2008, 03:18:33 PM »
It IS quite possible to break your own neck. Ask my Da. (fell something like three stories, but he can walk, so HEY whaddayaknow?)
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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2008, 03:35:18 PM »
Well, I imagine not all hosts want to commit suicide, for a start, especially not while there's 'Andalite bandits' out there.  Some may be more likely to want to keep fighting for their freedom, and killing yourself isn't exactly an easy thing to do, psychologically as well as physically.  At least if you're alive there's still some hope.  And killing another person, that's even harder.  There's quite a gap between being unwilling host and trying to escape, and hating it so much you'd try anything to kill yourself.  I don't think it's split into totally voluntary, and those who would die rather than continue to be infested, I think there's more of a continuum than that.

And of course, the Yeerk in your head would know if you were thinking of a clever plan to kill yourself.  Not only would they be able to prevent you carrying anything remotely dangerous, they could ask the pool guards to knock you unconscious for the duration, or maybe put you in bio-stasis cages like we see in number 16.  Also, when the Anis blow up the Yeerk pool and are freeing the involuntaries to run, there is something mentioned about unlocking head harnesses, so maybe they strap them down so they can't damage themselves?

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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2008, 03:37:24 PM »
Of course, it could always occur to you on sudden impulse, which certainly isn't a rare thing.

I see what you're saying, though.
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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2008, 03:37:39 PM »
Yeerk-free news service. Yeerk-free news service. Every time I say it, it just gets funnier and FUNNIER!

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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #64 on: June 12, 2008, 03:42:08 PM »
Of course, it could always occur to you on sudden impulse, which certainly isn't a rare thing.

I see what you're saying, though.

It could, but to develop an elaborate scheme to do it would take more time, and your Yeerk would know about it.

I reckon the guards watch the cages like hawks, though.  With Dracons (on stun) at the ready.

Just straightforward cages always seemed a little low-tech for the Yeerks, though.  Why not just use bio-stasis?  Or Ramonite boxes, like we see with Ax in, was it MM1?  Maybe it's V3 cost cutting.  (Of course, it's really that you couldn't then have plotlines like trying to free Tom so easily, and you couldn't get across the horrors of the Yeerk pool through involuntaries screaming... but fun to speculate :P)

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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #65 on: June 12, 2008, 06:18:32 PM »
The Yeerks clearly didn't see the need for bio-stasis or Ramonite boxes to contain lowly humans. A normal cage would hold a human (or probably even a Hork-Bajir) perfectly well. Also, I imagine that bio-stasis requires an energy source (so why waste that energy?) and Ramonite probably isn't common (plus they're more likely to use their Ramonite supply to build ships or Andalite-proof cages or something).
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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2008, 06:21:11 PM »
Remember, the Yeerks live in our brains. They know how we think. They know what we fear, and what humiliates and degrades us.

They know that, as a culture, America values freedom over ANYTHING else. (Or at least it says that it does.)

What could be more degrading and humiliating than to throw American Humans into a cage?
It is the ultimate psychological put-down.
The humans can't do ANYTHING about it, and they know it.
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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2008, 07:52:07 PM »
Good point.
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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2008, 08:13:54 PM »
Thank you. :)
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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #69 on: June 12, 2008, 08:17:08 PM »
that is a good point, but i don't think its just america that values its freedom...everyone does.
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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #70 on: June 12, 2008, 08:24:26 PM »
Hmmmm, I think if were going to continue the freedom thing, we should reach an all-encompassing defintion of "freedom". 'Cause think of it this way-Yeerks value their freedom as much as, if not more than us, but to them that means they have to take a host, otherwise they don't have the freedom of sight, hearing, hands...
food for thought. ;)
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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #71 on: June 12, 2008, 08:47:32 PM »
those arent freedoms those are powers, kinda different, i see what you mean tho, maybe once they try it once they start to view them as necessities

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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #72 on: June 12, 2008, 09:36:32 PM »
Of course, other countries value freedom, but few are quite so...vocal...about it.
It is deeply ingrained into the minds of youth, every time they say the Pledge of Allegiance:
Liberty...for all.

For the Yeerks, this wouldn't be at all about THEIR perception of freedom.
This is psychology. They are using our brains against us, because they CAN, and because it WORKS.

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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #73 on: June 13, 2008, 08:20:33 AM »
But we would probably do the same thing.
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Re: If the yeerks really invaded earth...
« Reply #74 on: June 13, 2008, 09:05:54 AM »
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Hmmmm, I think if were going to continue the freedom thing, we should reach an all-encompassing defintion of "freedom". 'Cause think of it this way-Yeerks value their freedom as much as, if not more than us, but to them that means they have to take a host, otherwise they don't have the freedom of sight, hearing, hands...
food for thought. ;)

I second that.  Exactly.  It all depends on what is meant by freedom, as often obtaining one kind of freedom is at the expense of another kind of freedom either for you or for somebody else.  "Freedom" is such a broad thing.

And how much do we humans (American or otherwise) really value freedom?  How much do we really have it?  I imagine most people on this board attend a job, or school.  Most either do or will in the future pay some of their money to another group of humans who will decide what to do with it (taxes).  This group is very marginally influenced by each individual, as each has one out of several million votes.  Often at one particular time the group of individuals in power isn't the group you yourself would support, as is the case with any Democrats in America at the moment, for example.  Yet you still allow them to take decisions for you, restrict your freedom by obeying those decisions, etc.  

Most of us would probably support the imprisonment of serial killers, restricting their freedom.  OK, you can make an argument they are hurting others: but I imagine most of us would also support the illegality (and imprisonment of offenders) of hard drugs like heroin and cocaine.  Why, if we believe so strongly in freedom?  They're only harming themselves: isn't it their choice?  I imagine most of us also support the keeping of domesticated pets .e.g. cats, dogs, horses etc. even though this restricts their freedom.  I know I do, I have a horse and a dog.

The latter is closest to how the Yeerks view us, of course.  I'm not saying I disagree with any of the above things.  A world where every individual had true and total freedom of mind, speech and body would be a) impossible (because so much of how we behave is shaped by instincts and upbringing) and b) utter anarchy.  I'm just using this to illustrate my opinion that the idea of freedom being so important is flawed.

And the thing with the bio-stasis and Ramonite- I imagine they would use that if hosts were constantly trying to commit suicide, certainly bio-stasis would prevent that happening.  So the fact that they don't suggests it isn't as common as has been suggested on here.

But we would probably do the same thing.

If this is referring to what the Yeerks do: I second that.  But there is no 'probably' about it: horses, dogs, cats, zoos, aquariums, farm animals, are all instances where we use our brains against other species because we can, and restrict their freedom.  And it is about our feelings about our own rights or freedoms: to have the freedom to own a guard dog, or a family pet; the freedom to participate in showjumping; the freedom to visit the zoo and see animals up close.  If anyone made a law against any of these things, chances are a lot of people on this forum, including me (although some zoos and circuses I would gladly see banned), would oppose it.  All these, I would argue, are much more trivial than the freedom to move and see and hear.