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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2008, 02:47:21 PM »
well she managed to cause a huge split in the yeerk forces by letting tom go

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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2008, 02:53:46 PM »
well she managed to cause a huge split in the yeerk forces by letting tom go
They could have caused a huge split in the Yeerk forces without giving away the box. They could have just sent word around via the PM Yeerks or chee, offering to let Yeerks become nothlits if they want to stop fighting in the war.

I already mentioned that. Whatever good came of what she did could have been achieved through other means.


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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2008, 03:19:42 PM »
 thank goodness it worked.

 could you imagine what would happen if it backfired?
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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2008, 03:24:13 PM »
thank goodness it worked.

 could you imagine what would happen if it backfired?
It probably would have been close to the same, except without seeing some Yeerks trying to stay until their time was up. I doubt it would have been very different.


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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2008, 03:33:52 PM »
So in the end, the problem is that Cassie was never cut out to fight a war when it reached that level, and she shouldnt have even been there.
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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2008, 05:34:14 PM »
well..you have those in every war.

 But yeah, Cassie's plan did work....so i guess it doesn't matter too much....cuz what's past is past...
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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2008, 05:59:22 PM »
So in the end, the problem is that Cassie was never cut out to fight a war when it reached that level, and she shouldnt have even been there.

Are you serious? She shouldnt have even been there in the first place? Im guessing she's just not cut out to be an Animorph? She could have taken down Tom without killing him, but she didnt. Simple as that. Initially it was about saving Jake. But she soon knew it would change the tides of the war. That was why she didnt go after Tom. It was indeed a betrayal, but a good sacrifice. Something that worked out well. Funny how the first time i read it years ago I never saw it as a betrayal. I thought she had good reasoning.

She was an essential character, and things would not have worked had she not been there. All kinds of people hate Cassie and it still baffles me. Just because she was overly moralistic doesn't mean you'll never have those kinds of people in a war. You have to explore the many different sides and personas.  Cut the chick some slack.

But then again, it is just a book series. No big deal.

Oh yea, If i read it correctly, Ax almost fainted when Cassie revealed why she let Tom take the morphing cube. Thats what i meant by flipping out, and his actions that followed.
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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2008, 06:06:56 PM »
So in the end, the problem is that Cassie was never cut out to fight a war when it reached that level, and she shouldnt have even been there.

Are you serious? She shouldnt have even been there in the first place? Im guessing she's just not cut out to be an Animorph? She could have taken down Tom without killing him, but she didnt. Simple as that. Initially it was about saving Jake. But she soon knew it would change the tides of the war. That was why she didnt go afte Tom. It was indeed a betrayal, but a good sacrifice that worked out. Come on, if Cassie was the one to make the choice then it would mos def work out.

She was an essential character, and things would not have worked had she not been there. All kinds of people hate Cassie and it still baffles me. Just because she was overly moralistic doesn't mean you'll never have those kinds of people in a war. You have to explore the many different sides and personas.  Cut the chick some slack.

But then again, it is just a book series. No big deal.

Oh yea, If i read it correctly, Ax almost fainted when Cassie revealed why she let Tom take the morphing cube. Thats what i meant by flipping out, and his actions that followed.

It was still the wrong thing to do. I won't repeat myself anymore, as I don't have time. I haven't heard one reason for her defense that I haven't countered.


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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2008, 09:38:03 PM »
Agreed.

Though, as a character, looking at it from the perspective of it being a book series, she was indespensible.  :)
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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2008, 10:02:37 PM »
Everybody likes to beat up on Cassie... >:(
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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2008, 07:51:29 AM »
Yes, she was important. I believe that maybe KA overplayed her specialness sometimes, but maybe Cassie was her favorite character.


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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2008, 08:01:37 AM »
actually, she says she has a different favourite character each book, or something like that.

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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2008, 08:09:58 AM »
well she managed to cause a huge split in the yeerk forces by letting tom go
They could have caused a huge split in the Yeerk forces without giving away the box. They could have just sent word around via the PM Yeerks or chee, offering to let Yeerks become nothlits if they want to stop fighting in the war.

I already mentioned that. Whatever good came of what she did could have been achieved through other means.

the one who betrayed visser1 was tom, nobody else in the yeerk forces took the initiative.

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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2008, 11:38:45 AM »
Very true, but just never forget that Tom's Yeerk did it entirely out of evil selfish ambitions.
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Re: Cassie's Betrayal
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2008, 01:25:50 PM »
You shouldn't isolate that climactic moment when Cassie lets Tom escape and ignore the rest of the book, how the writer set up Cassie's decision.

Jake was depressed and was no longer being a good leader. Cassie didn't know how to handle the situation. She calls him a coward then regrets it immediately. Subsequently she bites her tongue and follows Jake as he makes morally questionable decisions and gives morally questionable orders. She holds back because she knows Jake isn't in the mood to deal with her questioning his judgment. She gets frustrated with the naivete her parents display among the Hork-Bajir, but her dad calls her out on the immoral way he thinks she and the Animorphs have been acting. Cassie gets frustrated and flies away without saying goodbye, afterwards realizing that it's possible she won't see him again.

If you isolate that one moment when she stops Jake, you overlook how the whole book was setting up that there was all this pressure building up on Cassie, coloring her judgment in that crucial moment.
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