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Offline Tim Bruening

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Re: Wouldn't Tom Find Jake
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2015, 10:19:33 AM »
Book 4, The Message: Tom speculates that the "Andalite Bandits" may not be Andalites.  This means that Tom would be open to the possibility that they are human residents of town who happened to acquire morphing powers.  When Jake behaves oddly later in the series (often being absent from home during Andalite bandit attacks, eating everything in sight one weekend just after an important Yeerk went missing after an Andalite attack at a hospital), Tom should grow suspicious that Jake may be connected to the Andalite bandits, and arrange to keep him under observation.

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Re: Wouldn't Tom Find Jake
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2015, 12:55:09 PM »
You do recall that the Yeerk your saying is open to that is the one that wound up in Jake and died 2 books later right?

No reason the new Yeerk would have the same inclinations
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Re: Wouldn't Tom Find Jake
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2015, 03:54:27 PM »
You do recall that the Yeerk your saying is open to that is the one that wound up in Jake and died 2 books later right?

No reason the new Yeerk would have the same inclinations

But wouldn't Tom's new Yeerk have access to Tom's memories of his old Yeerk speculating about the possible non Andalite nature of the Andalite bandits?

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Re: Wouldn't Tom Find Jake
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2015, 03:57:39 PM »
But wouldn't Tom's new Yeerk have access to Tom's memories of his old Yeerk speculating about the possible non Andalite nature of the Andalite bandits?

Interesting thought. Are thought-conversations between host and Yeerk saved in the hosts' memory? If so, then he could read them, but only if the Yeerk voiced his speculations to Tom.
Yet seeing your post made me think, "omg, I've never thought of that, you are an evil genius".

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Re: Wouldn't Tom Find Jake
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2015, 04:05:55 PM »
Yes.  Which brings up another, semi related point.  Visser 3 knew about the peace movement later.  All he needed to do to root it out completely was have every yeerk swap hosts.  The hosts' memories would reveal all the traitors.

But back to this, we knew the yeerks had speculated that the andalite bandits were really humans.  The animorphs suspected Visser 3 was so convinced they had to be andalites that he simply wouldn't entertain the idea.  Makes sense given how much he romanticized the andalites.  We also know at least one and probably more knew the animorphs were human, but kept their mouths shut.

None of the narrative really makes a heckuva lotta sense if you dig at it.  Like how do we know Rachel's last words, or anything that happened to the anis once they left Earth at the end of the series.  It's always possible that half the information was false, to throw the yeerks off though.  Assuming the books were written but not published during the war, it could just have been a control to give the animorphs enough time to escape if the books were discovered.

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Re: Wouldn't Tom Find Jake
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2015, 04:07:31 PM »
But wouldn't Tom's new Yeerk have access to Tom's memories of his old Yeerk speculating about the possible non Andalite nature of the Andalite bandits?

Interesting thought. Are thought-conversations between host and Yeerk saved in the hosts' memory? If so, then he could read them, but only if the Yeerk voiced his speculations to Tom.

Tom's old Yeerk had verbally expressed his suspicions to Chapman.  Tom would have heard his voice speculating about non Andalite Andalite bandits.  Tom's new Yeerk would have access to Tom's memories of that conversation.

P 37 of paperback The Message: Tom's speculation about the Andalite bandits, upon seeing the tracks of 4 humans on the beach, but no humans in the water: If they're human, why don't we see them out there?  Four sets of human tracks.  No humans in the water.  Is it possible...is Visser Three wrong?  What if they're not Andalite at all?

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Re: Wouldn't Tom Find Jake
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2015, 06:37:53 AM »
You do recall that the Yeerk your saying is open to that is the one that wound up in Jake and died 2 books later right?

No reason the new Yeerk would have the same inclinations


But wouldn't Tom's new Yeerk have access to Tom's memories of his old Yeerk speculating about the possible non Andalite nature of the Andalite bandits?


Yes, but just because the old guy was suspicious of something doesn't mean the new guy would give a crap what he thought. This is probably his first human host, and he's up in his Yeerk to rule the world mentality, if doesn't care what has-beens dumb enough to get them self killed would have thought about the idea of lowly humans resisting.

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Re: Wouldn't Tom Find Jake
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2015, 12:59:50 PM »
Assuming the books were written but not published during the war, it could just have been a control to give the animorphs enough time to escape if the books were discovered.
It's best not to think about the framing device for the books. The whole it was written down idea doesn't make since for most of the books.
Also, The yeerks had always suspected the Andalite Bandits. It was a long lead up of left behind clues that lead to the discovery of the Animorphs.
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