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How do you think it happened? (Caution, spoilers ahead!)
« on: February 08, 2011, 01:28:44 AM »
[spoiler]How do you think the Yeerks discovered most of the animorphs were human?[/spoiler]

Do you think someone could have seen them morphing?

Lots of fans think it was David , but I think the Yeerks would have gotten more out of him than "Oh, yeah the Andalite Bandits are human." I think it would have gone more like this.

"Oh, yeah the Andalite Bandits are human, there's this total psycho named Rachel, and...so on and so forth.

I always thought it was that kid in #42 who took a picture of them demorphing, as far as I know they never got that camera back.

How about you, what do you think?
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Re: How do you think it happened? (Caution, spoilers ahead!)
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2011, 01:46:41 AM »
[spoiler]I think they probably tried matching DNA from the blood samples they collected after all of the battles the ani's had with the Yeerks. And then the Sharing held a blood drive so that they could try and match up the samples with people, hoping to find a match. And then they found Tobias, and then Cassie, Rachel, and Jake. They'd already found out about Marco....[/spoiler]

...considering this is what happened in book 49... I kinda figure that's how it worked out. ::)

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Re: How do you think it happened? (Caution, spoilers ahead!)
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2011, 01:51:37 AM »
I knew that... I meant more along the lines of, where did they get the idea that they might be human in the first place.
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Re: How do you think it happened? (Caution, spoilers ahead!)
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2011, 06:59:17 AM »
Possibly the same as V1's thoughts(death numbers caused by the "Andalite bandits")

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Re: How do you think it happened? (Caution, spoilers ahead!)
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2011, 09:05:26 AM »
You have to remember that a lot of yeerks thought the Ani's were human from the very begining of the series but decided not to tell him. Maybe someone finally said, "er,hey, visser....maybe there human. We should try blood samples."
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Re: How do you think it happened? (Caution, spoilers ahead!)
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2011, 11:00:50 AM »
[spoiler]Book 1: Jake and Marco are confronted by controllers in the middle of the Yeerk Pool. Rachel promptly intervenes in elephant morph and Jake and Marco proceed to morph into their respective animals without ducking for cover. Cassie is miraculously rescued by a hawk after nearly being infested ON THE PIER no less and proceeds to morph into a horse. Even with all of the confusion going on, if you tell me that at least half the Yeerk Pool didn't see that happening (even if you factor in the Controllers who were killed in the attack) then you also believe that Spike of Buffy the Vampire Slayer was really going to get his soul at the end of season 6.

Book 2: Jake morphs from flea WHILE ON THE BLADE SHIP and then from human, goes to tiger morph. The crew of the blade ship can be pretty vacuous, but you're telling me not one instrument was recording this at the time?

Book 4: When the Animorphs escape into ocean by morphing fish, the controllers who were chasing and firing on them find the kids' extra clothing. Controllers, including Iniss 226, begin offer speculation that the Andalite Bandits really are children. But Iniss rightly says that he is Switzerland on any topic that he would have to bring to the Blue Man's attention.

What the Animorphs are lucky for is that none of Visser One's troops ever spotted this, as Visser One has more of an open door policy when it comes to matters of security. Of course now that I mention this, it does seem that Visser One was strangely short sighted when a Yeerk in the body of a PSYCHIC frog tried to tell her about Marco.[/spoiler]

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Re: How do you think it happened? (Caution, spoilers ahead!)
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2011, 05:39:17 PM »
Regarding #42, I believe Marco grabbed the camera near the end.

When you actually stop to think about it, there are a whole bunch of things that might have made the Yeerks suspicious. Obviously there is the number of human Controller fatalities compared to the same statistics for Hork-Bajir and Taxxons. Also the fact that the proud (and deadly) Andalite warriors are never seen in their natural form (except for Ax). Also, especially early on, all but Ax stayed silent around Visser Three and other Yeerks for fear of sounding like humans. They also showed amazing ignorance of things Andalites should know (eg. advanced technology) and were a bit too familiar with things Andalites knew nothing about (eg. anything related to human society and culture).

In the end, some Yeerk finally had the guts to suggest that just maybe not all of the bandits were Andalites, and that it couldn't hurt to at least make sure. So they do the blood drive and come up with Tobias' mother and probably Tom as well, since we can assume he donated blood too. With Tom's brother popping up on the system and the whole situation with Marco, they put two and two together and figure out that Marco was one of them (they didn't know about Marco and even if they did they thought he was dead). Then they will have investigated friends and family like Rachel and Cassie, but before that could happen both of their families vanished into hiding. As far as I can recall, the only ones the Yeerks knew about were Tobias and Jake.
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Re: How do you think it happened? (Caution, spoilers ahead!)
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2011, 06:31:30 PM »
I think it was just a string of too many odd coincidences that finally made Visser Three look at the bigger picture and realize that they really are human. Let's look at them, shall we?

His advisers were telling from the start that the bandits might (emphasis on might, don't want to get decapitated!) be human. They saw a bunch of kids at a construction site, around an Andalite, and not long after that the "Andalite bandits" appeared. A group of Yeerks at the beach saw suspicious goings-on, with clothing being left behind and kids - kids once again - disappearing into the water. And when they were at the Yeerk pool, a group of "slime-covered things" burst out of a Taxxon, and could obviously morph, but looked nothing like Andalites, and they have to pass through an intermediate stage when they demorph and remorph. Also, Ax talked too much. ALL THE TIME. In fact, the Animorphs never once thought to talk more to Visser Three, to keep him thinking they're Andalites. And then in The Revelation, an "Andalite bandit" rescues a human, and once again, rescues Visser One, when there is nothing to be gained from it.

You see what I'm trying to get at? As Marco said: "The Yeerks can add two plus two."

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Re: How do you think it happened? (Caution, spoilers ahead!)
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2011, 06:35:32 PM »
     Hm...That's funny...

     If morphing changes your DNA into that of another animal, then how can you tell that human DNA matches that of a red-tailed hawk? I thought blood was based on DNA?
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Re: How do you think it happened? (Caution, spoilers ahead!)
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2011, 06:39:21 PM »
Okay, I don't think this the "real" reason, but in book 47, when Jake and Tom have a brief interaction in the house, I begin to wonder if he isn't working it out by then: his best friend's- who was killed not long before- mom was V1's host, who was pulled out of the yeerk pool. Come on, at this point to resist the idea that human, it just can't work: they have to submit that some human involvement exist.
They way he reacts at this point-really last time you see tom before the end, it suggest to me that the escape of Eva and need to kill Marco and pa started making the idea be pushed into the front of everyone's mind
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Re: How do you think it happened? (Caution, spoilers ahead!)
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2011, 09:12:42 PM »
     Hm...That's funny...

     If morphing changes your DNA into that of another animal, then how can you tell that human DNA matches that of a red-tailed hawk? I thought blood was based on DNA?

Something to do with traces of your original DNA present in the bloodstream due to some odd side-effect of the morphing technology?  :huh:
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Re: How do you think it happened? (Caution, spoilers ahead!)
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2011, 05:47:03 PM »
I think it had to deal with the way they reacted to situations and not acting like an andralite near certain controllers. I'm pretty sure they got busted when Tobias was captured and tortured (don't remember exact book number) in a holding cell. There had to be video feeds considering how high the security was for that bunker.