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Offline Darth Zakryn

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« on: January 13, 2011, 10:32:28 AM »
Ok, let's talk about Visser Three. I personally hate the evil bastard. Were any of you disappointed that he lived? To hell with the fact that he's going to spend an eternity as a blind slug, it's FITTING that he die to suffer the same fate he inflicted on billions of people without thinking or remorse. I think that letting him live is dishonoring everyone who died (probably brutally and painfully too, including the Yeerks and not just the hosts).

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Re: Visser Three
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2011, 02:37:06 PM »
     Can we discuss why he was given a lawyer during the trial in book fifty-four? If I remember correctly, he was given one. But honestly, who in the right mind would defend him?
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Re: Visser Three
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2011, 02:40:30 PM »
He was given a lawyer because, even if you're a complete psychopath and obviously guilty, they have to give you one. :P

And if you ask me... I don't know. Considering all the stuff that didn't kill him? I'd have been disappointed if he'd just been killed. *shrug*

Also, he didn't inflict anything on billions of people. ::) 1) Earth would have been invaded with or without him. He took over from Visser 1, who started the invasion. 2) He definitely never had billions under him. Certainly not billions that could piss him off.
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Re: Visser Three
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2011, 02:50:03 PM »
     Ah, but you're speaking of laws dictated to humans :P If there was a sociopath put on trial for the murder of a dozen people--and we had pure eevidence that said sociopath was guilty of said murders-- then he would still be given a lawyer because it's his right. But the sociopath was born on Earth--the planet that proposed such laws and rights-- unlike Visser Three. So Visser Three is neither subject to our laws, nor given the right to the rights of citizens.

     He should have just gone back to the homeworld and put on trial there. And, if you don't like Visser Three, read capnnerefir's neomorphs series. The Visser Three in that series is much more intelligent, and not nearly as "tail-blade-happy" as K.A.'s Visser Three.
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Re: Visser Three
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2011, 02:53:03 PM »
Since he committed the crimes here--there's no indication that he was being tried for anything before that--he was tried here. Since he was tried here, he was subject to the same rights every other defendent has.
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Re: Visser Three
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2011, 03:10:52 PM »
     Well, then I guess we'll have to assume that they gave him a pretty mediocre lawyer, because I don't think a single former human controller living on post-invasion Earth would want to willingly defend the Yeerk who struck fear into the hearts of thousands.

     But, as an aside, I read something on Wikipedia once about a Yeerk Esplin was fighting alongside on the Hork-Bajir home world. According to whomever wrote that article, Esplin found that particular Yeerk to be too ruthless.

     Does this tickle anyone else?
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2011, 03:53:55 PM »
On the matter of the lawyer, this oddly ties in with my remarks in the Super Hero discussion in the General Forum.

It doesn't matter what the lawyer's personal beliefs are, so long as he's doing what he's paid to do. That is to defend Esplin. And there are lawyers who will gleefully defend the worse scumbags society has to offer and believe me when I say, Visser One, formerly Visser Three, is a devoted church going Sunday school student who confesses on Wednesdays and helps little old ladies cross the street compared to some of the human criminals who have recieved legal council.

But alas, he got his fair trial if for no other reason than the human race can't very well condemn Visser Three on rights violations if they violate his rights. We'd want to be given the same considerations on any other planet, so in the interests of diplomacy, Visser Three was given that much.

And remember, it was Jake's call to let the slug live that long to begin with. Jake, Tobias and Ax had plenty of justifiable reasons to kill him. I mean hell, Marco got to kill the original Visser One, so no one is going to begrudge Tobias the right to avenge his father.
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