Why is everyone so sympathetic to the Yeerks?!

[TinShadowcat]

Exactly. The Yeerks are evil Creatures, And the existence of a small peace faction should not matter

[Vivi9087]

Well he had a choice.  But put yourself in his position.  You just condemned your cousin, your plan is falling apart around you, you just witnessed half your team destroyed (James and the others) and you really really need to hurt the enemy right then.  In that same position would you have let the creatures responsible for causing all of this pain and chaos, thrusting you into a fight you didn't want any part of, live?

[Leonardodavinci]

Yorick, I do understand where you are coming from. But honestly, "saving humanity" can be applied to ANYTHING.

I mistrust the Yeerks. I don't agree with what they do, BUT THEY ARE NOT EVIL!. Someone else made this point, but would you hurt a lion for eating an antelope? A wolf for eating a fox? Its the same argument.

As for Jake being on trial, what he did was still a crime. He didn't have a choice, which is why I don't think he should be found guilty, and he DID save humanity from the Yeerks... its just, when you pose a statement saying "He shouldn't have gone on trial, etc." (obviously paraphrased)... I kind of have to respond.

The power of the law should be more powerful than any one man. Yes, Jake helped humanity, yes, Jake saved the world, yes, Jake is our savior... but the minute we say someone is ABOVE the law, EVERYTHING loses credibility.

[Leonardodavinci]

Exactly. The Yeerks are evil Creatures, And the existence of a small peace faction should not matter

This quote is like saying that all Germans living from 1933 - 1945 are evil, because they were part of a nationalistic cult that tried to kill everyone that wasn't like them, and that peace factions like The White Rose, Oscar Schindler, the Righteous Among the Nations, etc, should not matter

[Vivi9087]

The power of the law should be more powerful than any one man. Yes, Jake helped humanity, yes, Jake saved the world, yes, Jake is our savior... but the minute we say someone is ABOVE the law, EVERYTHING loses credibility.

Got a valid point there Leo.

[morfowt]

What choice did Jake have??? What about all the humans he saved in the process???

there's always a choice. not a good choice, but a choice.

[Yorick Brown]

I'm not saying that Jake and the animorphs and the entire resistance should have ignored the Yeerk Peace Movement. Whoever survived can go ahead and become nothlits for all their efforts but you can't blame Jake for killing a few good Yeerks that he had no way of removing from harm while trying to end the war. Jake had to choose between the entire human race or a few Yeerks.

I also hate how everyone here is so forgiving of the Yeerks after the invasion. Okay. Yeerks aren't all bad but you wouldn't expect and certainly blame a 1940s holocaust survivor to say to a German Nazi or even just an antisemetic German citizen, "I understand. You were scared and angry and poor and looking for a scapegoat." So why do you say, "It's water under the bridge. If I was senseless I'd like to capture a good host with vision and hearing and all that even if it is against their will"???

[TinShadowcat]

Exactly. The Yeerks are evil Creatures, And the existence of a small peace faction should not matter

This quote is like saying that all Germans living from 1933 - 1945 are evil, because they were part of a nationalistic cult that tried to kill everyone that wasn't like them, and that peace factions like The White Rose, Oscar Schindler, the Righteous Among the Nations, etc, should not matter

not in a minority that small

[morfowt]

It's different. foxes and antalope are not sentient creatures.humans are

humans kill other humans, and humans are sentient creatures.

You know, I find this thread and all threads with debates like these, pointless. Neither side is admitting defeat, so what's the point?

[TinShadowcat]

There is a difference between death and a living hell

[Leonardodavinci]

I also hate how everyone here is so forgiving of the Yeerks after the invasion. Okay. Yeerks aren't all bad but you wouldn't expect and certainly blame a 1940s holocaust survivor to say to a German Nazi or even just an antisemetic German citizen, "I understand. You were scared and angry and poor and looking for a scapegoat." So why do you say, "It's water under the bridge. If I was senseless I'd like to capture a good host with vision and hearing and all that"???

Ok, you brought up a fantastic point. I'm not trying to be forgiving of the Yeerks, and I completely and totally understand your analogy.

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. As Gandhi said ""I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the entitled it is to the protection by man from the cruelty of man."

Its hard, because we can't really compare situations...

[zaprowsdower]

It's what I call the doctrine of Actual Sin. One must remember the actual sins of the Yeerks-that if they damn the yeerks, than they daman us in kind if we practice them.

If we do not forgive yeerks, than we are committing the same kind of sins that they did, and therefore come to their level.

[Dameg]

Funny. Yorick you seem to really dislike me. lol (don't worry, I'm accustomed)
I'll answer to your question, at first: At the beginning I'd be like Rachel in the way that if somebody attack me, I answer. So I'd try to hurt the most the Yeerks, of course, if I can (I can be cruel. my friends also know that... they call me "heartless")... But if I'd meet a Yeerk like Aftran, I'd think more and try to find another way. And usually, I'd prefer attack the big boss and his assistants than the little soldiers (except to fend for myself or my friends).

Everybody, you always talk about the peace movement and the Yeerks who want to invade. But don't you think there were many Yeerks "between". I mean, Yeerks who are too afraid to fight against Visser 3 (really, this guy is too horrible, even for his people...). I think there must be many. Of course I don't excuse them, it'd be better if they fight against the Vissers, but I can understand they were too afraid to do anything.

Well he had a choice.  But put yourself in his position.  You just condemned your cousin, your plan is falling apart around you, you just witnessed half your team destroyed (James and the others) and you really really need to hurt the enemy right then.  In that same position would you have let the creatures responsible for causing all of this pain and chaos, thrusting you into a fight you didn't want any part of, live?

I understand, but i still don't agree. A serial killer can say the same thing: "My mother and my father always hit me, all my childhood. And women scoff at me... I have no job, the only person I loved was killed by somebody... so I killed them all." Of course, in Animorphs we talk about death... but it's vengeance, only that. And I thought christian people, occidental people, don't agree with vengeance... revenge by themself is against the law.
(Sorry if my English is badder today, I just wake up now... still sleeping a little ^_^')

[CounterInstinct]

You can't write off a whole species as purely this and purely that. Plus, the thread itself is so wrong. We are not sympathetic to all Yeerks. We are sypathetic to the Yeerks who are forced to follow the bloodthirsty Vissers.
We are sympathetic to the Yeerks who chose not to take an involuntary host.
We are sympathetic to the Yeerks who chose to fight the Vissers.

I just hate the way Yorick is branding all Yeerks as evil. It's just so wrong. You don't give them a fair chance to prove themselves. Not because one of them is evil, doesn't mean everybody is.

Now I suppose you all brand Taxxons as meat-hungry, Andalites as all-righteous, and humans always right.

[morfowt]

well...there never was a non-meat-hungry taxxon in the animrophs world. there were taxxons that tried to resist it, but they were still meat-hungry, unless I'm misunderstanding that word.