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Re: Is "The One" a way to start over?
« Reply #45 on: July 31, 2008, 11:12:21 PM »
Impracticality, insanity, impossiblity, improbability, implausibility... these things are relative.  ;)

Main thing for me is, wouldnt it have been cool to end in such a way as to do what was done in the last books, then RE-do it so it never happened and their world becomes the world of today thus making it plausible that all this really exists and elaving more to the active imagination.

Oh.  I guess I kinda missed that part of your point.  Yes, that would have been AWESOME!   ;D

We'd still get the controversial ending but then we'd get the happy ending everybody wants as a bonus!  It's not like it hadn't happened often enough before in the series. 

Still, I have to wonder whether that wouldn't have somewhat cheapened the ending/supposed meaning.
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Re: Is "The One" a way to start over?
« Reply #46 on: July 31, 2008, 11:19:02 PM »
Maybe. But Jake would still have to deal with a dead Tom, and realizing he would have willingly condemned Rachel to kill him, so hes dead in both timelines and that bites for him *bad*

Plus, imagine the issues left to deal with in trying to resume 'normal' life after what theyve been through?
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Re: Is "The One" a way to start over?
« Reply #47 on: July 31, 2008, 11:26:20 PM »
Maybe. But Jake would still have to deal with a dead Tom, and realizing he would have willingly condemned Rachel to kill him, so hes dead in both timelines and that bites for him *bad*

Plus, imagine the issues left to deal with in trying to resume 'normal' life after what theyve been through?

Ah!  Perfect!  And back in comes the moral to the story.  Best of both worlds.
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Re: Is "The One" a way to start over?
« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2008, 11:30:21 PM »
Best of both worlds.

And *that* is another Star Trek refernce (whether by intention or coincidence)  ;D

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Re: Is "The One" a way to start over?
« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2008, 01:44:50 PM »
Impracticality, insanity, impossiblity, improbability, implausibility... these things are relative.  ;)

Main thing for me is, wouldnt it have been cool to end in such a way as to do what was done in the last books, then RE-do it so it never happened and their world becomes the world of today thus making it plausible that all this really exists and elaving more to the active imagination.

You haven't read the Darren Shan Saga by any chance?  ;)

I would only like that kind of ending if it was done well. You screw up that type of ending and it ends up sounding tacky, like "it was all a dream" or something.  ::)
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Re: Is "The One" a way to start over?
« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2008, 01:52:07 PM »
Right, the key to a causal loop plot is that the people who keep their memories and/or bodies etc despite the timeline changes have to deal with the fact that what they experienced was in fact *real*, and the choices they made actually *happened*, the consequences were real, and this is a do-over, no one else will know what happened the first time, but it *did* happen. And that in itself is another delima about the ethics of choices and time travel.

You haven't read the Darren Shan Saga by any chance?  ;)

Nope, but Ill look into it. Im always after something new to read.  :)
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Re: Is "The One" a way to start over?
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2012, 08:37:03 AM »
maybe Ellimist and Crayak both did'nt want to kill each other at that time? just like father needed him, He needed Crayak? and also, Crayak had the same powers as Ellimist...i guess as Crayak 'ascended' they both had the same power.

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Re: Is "The One" a way to start over?
« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2012, 10:24:43 AM »
Uh-oh, someone just dug up my favorite thing to think about in the whole series.

On topic: I don't think The One was a way to start over, I think it was a way to continue the series, if she ever decided to.  (Though, that includes starting over if you include the numerous trump cards she put into the series, such as sario-rips, the Ellimist, etc.)


TLDR version: I think that The One was mentioned in 26, 41, and the last book.  (Was it ever explicitly stated by KAA that The One was a new character that was never mentioned before?)


You're on crack what's your reasoning version:

In 26, the Ellimist makes reference to the Yeerks being a pawn in Crayak's plan, and then leading the creatures they take over to a force that is even more controlling.  "<Earth is part of our game, Crayak's and mine. He would have the Yeerks absorb humans and later be absorbed by some still more vicious species. But Earth is not the reason I have come to you now.>"

It is part of the Crayak's vision to have the galaxy controlled by one strong race, as stated by the Ellimist in 26: "He wants a galaxy cleansed of creation. His goal, I soon realized, is to destroy life. His method is to use one species against another, strong destroying weak, and then strong in turn being destroyed by the stronger still. He believes that there should be only one species. A single sentient race, which would be subjugated by him."

Most would think that means one Master Race that would kill all the other races and be under the control of the Crayak.  But, if the Crayak were smart, he could instead control one being that could assimilate all the other races (The One,) and then use the assimilated beings against the rest of the universe, and then he has his one Master Race under his control, which is basically all the races in the galaxy under his command, then he could go back and b!tch-slap the guy that kicked him out of the other universe with his massive army of everything.


Now, as for 41, I do think it was "The One" that was looking into Jake's mind.  My guess was that it was actually just a dream brought about his own paranoia/stress about the situation he was in, but I think that Crayak was always able to look into Jake's mind, not only because of the Yeerk dying in his mind, but because he morphed a Howler, which had a hive mind of sorts and was controlled by the Crayak.  If The One was a pawn of Crayak, that would mean Crayak could probably give a sneak peek into Jake's mind, which would prompt him/it/them also being able to be heard by Jake.  I think the description of the voice, which basically seems to suggest a unified mind of assimilated victims, is enough to surmise that it could be all the creatures that The One assimilated.  And it makes sense that The One would say things like "they bear studying" because the entity most likely had no contact with humans until right then.

And as an off-topic to my off-topic, I don't know why everyone assumes Jake chose Cassie, at the end of the book I always assumed Jake DIDN'T choose Cassie, which is reflected at the end of the series when their relationship began to fall apart because he began to finally think about the rest of the world and saving it instead of what Cassie wanted. 

Anyway, I think that all opens up the ending for basically an Animorphs 2.0, where it is essentially a war between The One (Crayak himself, in a sense) and the rest of the world.  But I'll save my Kelbrid/Andalite/rest of the universe theories for later because everyone is probably reading this and going "you're crazy" right about now.   :P


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Re: Is "The One" a way to start over?
« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2012, 06:19:31 PM »
Maybe when they rammed the Blade Ship they went back to book #1 and started over again, and they're really stuck in purgatory. 

Or not.  ;D

I like this idea xD

No, seriously: I hated the ending. Bringing some new character up for ending the book was one of the worst ideas she could have had, but maybe some of you are right and The one was not a new character...
I somehow like the idea that it is David, but I really think it isn't him. Why? Because I really doubt that Crayak would offer him this chance.
In #48 he used him, David was only his toy, in getting Rachel. Crayak wanted Rachel as he wanted Jake, he made it really clear in #27 when the Drode told her she could always go to Crayak. He promises David to get Rachel as companion but he knew Rachel would figure out that Davids story could not be true. She was always intelligent and this story was way to absurd for her to believe it. It was always his plan to get her. David wasn't important for him, he even called him one of Rachel's 'inferiors'. I don't think Crayak would give David that strength, he showed that he didn't had use for him anymore when he left him.
Also I always thought Rachel killed him in the end.

Also I never thought that The One could be the one out of #41. Of course it could be, but somehow I don't think so, but I can't explain why.

And as an off-topic to my off-topic, I don't know why everyone assumes Jake chose Cassie, at the end of the book I always assumed Jake DIDN'T choose Cassie, which is reflected at the end of the series when their relationship began to fall apart because he began to finally think about the rest of the world and saving it instead of what Cassie wanted.

Well, I always thought he chose Cassie, and that's why their relationship fall apart in the end. After this 'dream' (or whatever it was) Jake hat to think about what he would do in the 'real world' and if he really could choose Cassie if he had to choose. And I always thought that if he had some time to think about it he would come to the decision that he would not save her and that he could not let her get in the way and that's way they ended how they ended.
But I guess that's just a matter of opinion. You could be right too.


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