Is "The One" a way to start over?

[morfowt]

what makes you think he can't travel through time?

[urbanblade829]

Because the Ellimist only gained that power after being sucked into the black hole.  If Crayak could, he would, because being that hes the evil one, he would have killed the Ellimist off the first chance he got.  Also, if i remember correctly, Ellimist says something about Crayak wanting to be able to contol the flow of time, not just see it

[morfowt]

so...oh. I get it.

well crayak probably at first didn't see the ellimist as a threat. he saw him as an opponent he could beat.

or, after he found out how the ellimist did it, crayak entered the black hole himself.

[RYTX]

I think that talk is about Crayak want to be truly all powerful.
Whatever the Ellimist can do Crayak can probably do to, I don't know how, but Crayak is on the same plane of existance as the Ellimist after he went through the hole.

And also, no, the Ellimist can't take done Crayak by going through time, rules or not. You have to remember the rules of time travel here. The Ellimist got his mega powers after being sucked into the hole while....fighting Crayak. If he went back, stopped a lesser Crayak from coming to the galaxy, they never fight, he never goes in the hole, he can't go back in time, Crayak is never stopped etc, etc.
Time travels a tough one ain't it?

[morfowt]

Time travels a tough one ain't it?

that's probably another reason why he doesn't do it. he doesn't know the consequences.

[urbanblade829]

I didnt think of the time travel loop thing.  That was still eons ago tho, so im assuming that Crayak has gotten stronger since then.  And, Ellimist had been in the black hole for a long time, so if future Ellimist went back during that time, he could probably take out the past Crayak and in doing so, would allow himself to still have the time travel powers

[RYTX]

We know they are equals, they say so themselves, besides you don't follows the rules of an opponent who can't do anything if you break them. What's more is the Ellimist said himself, they can't harm each other personally.
Finally, if the Ellimist had it in him to smush Crayak, it would have been when he first "ascended" and Crayak was still being a punk in the real universe.
He didn't so he either couldn't, or didn't want to.

[urbanblade829]

im gonna go with didnt want to.

Ellimist loves games, and this is the biggest of all of them.  He could hold that time travel option as you would a reset button and if he loses he can still win

[EscafilDevice]

This thread is kind of off-topic, but I have a question for those of you who disagree.

Why else would she introduce a brand-new character in the last few pages of a series? I really don't want to think that it was just laziness.

[TheFearlessLeader]

Ok..been doing some re-reading. I kind of think I have a bit of an answer on this topic.

The One is speaking to Jake at the end. It knows of Jake and has been waiting for Jake.

Sound familiar?

Crayak has had it out for Jake ever since he destroyed the Howlers. Drode and Crayak appear in book #48 when David returns. They give Rachal the chance to be all-powerful......

TO ADAPT TO ANY SITUATION SO AS TO DEFEAT ANYONE.....

Sound like the One?

Is it possible, since at the end of $48, we don't really know if Rachel kills David, that David is approached later on by Crayak and given the same chance at ultimate power.

And instead of coming right out and saying it, K.A. lets us presume the One is something different.

Why can't the One be David, after having received the power from Crayak?

It would be Crayak's way to finally kill Jake. And maybe the Ellimist allows it because he planted some other wave before that will finally destroy Crayak's pieces and win the game?

I mean, Ellimist made the Pemelites (sp?), who turned out to be involved in the fight for Earth via Erik and the Chee. He created the Andalites, who are major players in this battle. Isn't it possible he created something else in his travels, that he knew would interfere and end the game?

He is the one who thought ahead every time. He is also ok with sacrificing. Maybe Jake, as an entity himself, was created to be a distraction to Crayak. He was meant to continually draw Crayak's attention while Ellimist came up with an infallible plan.

And maybe Jake and the others are sacrificed into David(the One), while the pieces fall into place to end the game.....


Anyone? Thoughts? Reactions?

This is just my take on it. I'm positive it has no bearing on what K.A. actually thought when writing it, but David was mentioned in almost every book since #48, IIRC. And we don't know for sure if Rachel kills him or not.


Interesting, nontheless. I like my idea, and will stick with it.


 

[morfowt]

well people assume that rachel killed david in the end, the motive is, however, debatable.

[EscafilDevice]

I think the chances of The One being the being in #41 are so much higher than the chances of David being The One. That's just silly.

[wotw2112]

Hmm...my initial reaction to TheFearlessLeader's insinuation that "The One" might be David was that the idea was completely ridiculous.  But as I kept reading I realized that he makes a surprisingly strong point.

Not only would the act be classic Ellimist, the fact that they created their own new enemy would be classic tragedy as well.  And considering the end sequence that too would be appropriate.

I never believe Rachel killed David anyway.  Too...convenient.

I'm not 100% sold but here's to TheFearlessLeader for thinking outside the box.

[Vivi9087]

yeah the whole David being "The One" is possible.  After all he knew the team really well and when you think about it, why would she go out of her way to make a slew of new characters just to end it all right then?

[TheFearlessLeader]

Honestly, it just sort of hit me. I was reading that book. And then I figured maybe she killed him. But then I read the rest of the books from #49 to #54. And the end was just strange. I mean, it knew all about Jake. It knew everything, and it absorbed things. And it was able to convince "followers" to join it's army. Sounds like the two morons in book #48 who follow David's lead when he is a rat. If he can convince 2 HUMANS as a RAT that they should follow him, why wouldn't he be able to convince others(while being the most powerful being they've ever met) to join him.

Plus, he still had ties with Crayak. It's not as if they could never have hooked up again.

I don't know...things just started making sense to me when I was reading it. It is probably not true for some reason that I didn't read in enough depth to figure out.

But this is my new ending. This is my way to justify the ending. They fight David because Rachel, the almighty killer, who sacrificed herself for the greater good, could not end a pathetic rat's life. And they can win this fight. That is why it is justified in my mind. You see, if it really was David and Crayak, then Ellimist can step in and help the Animorphs out. The End of the true battle (or game) between Elimist and Crayak is never going to come. They are tied together in this endless game. And this is just another battle taking place. That makes the end truly just in my mind. I don't care what anyone esle says. This is my new story and I'm sticking to it.

Who's with me?!?