Author Topic: Romance in Animorphs  (Read 15052 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline rebelxluck

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 18
  • Karma: 5
  • Gender: Female
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2010, 07:29:54 PM »
Delurking to throw in my love for the girl/bird OTP for the same reasons everyone else has said. Ever since getting back into Animorphs I have been fighting off the urge to compose an unnecessarily long Rachel/Tobias ship manifesto.

I'm curious, what do you guys think they see in each other? What do you suppose initially drew them together? I vaguely recall Rachel mentioning that she sort of knew Tobias (at least knew who he was) before the walk through the construction site, and that intrigued me.

Tobias' view isn't that difficult to imagine--after all, Rachel is confident and gorgeous. It's safe to say that he developed a crush on her pre-series or very quickly after book #1. He tells her he's worried about her in #2 when she's in Chapman's house--somehow I feel that if it had been Cassie he'd have worded it more like "Jake's worried" or "we're worried." But to Rachel, "I'm worried." That sort of thing stands out coming from a guy who, when he was human, really didn't want to stand out. In any case, Tobias is definitely into her by #3 with the near-death confession. He also spends a lot of time in that book being with her one-on-one for confiding his fears. That's interesting to note because why Rachel? Why not, for example, Jake, who Tobias looks up to and sort of used to follow around because obviously Jake is strong and dependable and nice? Why not Cassie, who's so outwardly compassionate? 

And what made Rachel notice Tobias? What do you suppose she thought of him before the construction site? How and when did she discover the sweet guy beneath the bully-magnet/hawk? In #2 Rachel is more focused on Melissa than anything else. She does seem a bit sensitive to Tobias being trapped in morph (very pointed "Tobias will always be a hawk" comment), but that could just be a natural reaction/follow-up to the predicament. In #7, though, she goes to Tobias when she's distraught over her family/future, continuing from #3 with the way they seek each other out in confidence. Rachel's feelings develop more gradually, and though it's a bit awful to say it's certainly possible that they first grew out of pity. Later on that's definitely not true, but it could have been the beginning.

Hm, and it seems that a good number of Rachel and Tobias books end with a scene between just them or a line spoken by the other. Not all of them, but most, I think. There was so much that I disliked about #32, but the ending always makes me a happy shipper. "Let's go, Rachel. The two of you and the two of me. Let's go." SHIPS GIRL/BIRD FOREVER. <3

Offline amida41

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 6
  • Karma: 4
  • Gender: Male
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2010, 08:00:37 PM »
Delurking to throw in my love for the girl/bird OTP for the same reasons everyone else has said. Ever since getting back into Animorphs I have been fighting off the urge to compose an unnecessarily long Rachel/Tobias ship manifesto.

I'm curious, what do you guys think they see in each other? What do you suppose initially drew them together? I vaguely recall Rachel mentioning that she sort of knew Tobias (at least knew who he was) before the walk through the construction site, and that intrigued me.

Tobias' view isn't that difficult to imagine--after all, Rachel is confident and gorgeous. It's safe to say that he developed a crush on her pre-series or very quickly after book #1. He tells her he's worried about her in #2 when she's in Chapman's house--somehow I feel that if it had been Cassie he'd have worded it more like "Jake's worried" or "we're worried." But to Rachel, "I'm worried." That sort of thing stands out coming from a guy who, when he was human, really didn't want to stand out. In any case, Tobias is definitely into her by #3 with the near-death confession. He also spends a lot of time in that book being with her one-on-one for confiding his fears. That's interesting to note because why Rachel? Why not, for example, Jake, who Tobias looks up to and sort of used to follow around because obviously Jake is strong and dependable and nice? Why not Cassie, who's so outwardly compassionate? 

And what made Rachel notice Tobias? What do you suppose she thought of him before the construction site? How and when did she discover the sweet guy beneath the bully-magnet/hawk? In #2 Rachel is more focused on Melissa than anything else. She does seem a bit sensitive to Tobias being trapped in morph (very pointed "Tobias will always be a hawk" comment), but that could just be a natural reaction/follow-up to the predicament. In #7, though, she goes to Tobias when she's distraught over her family/future, continuing from #3 with the way they seek each other out in confidence. Rachel's feelings develop more gradually, and though it's a bit awful to say it's certainly possible that they first grew out of pity. Later on that's definitely not true, but it could have been the beginning.

Hm, and it seems that a good number of Rachel and Tobias books end with a scene between just them or a line spoken by the other. Not all of them, but most, I think. There was so much that I disliked about #32, but the ending always makes me a happy shipper. "Let's go, Rachel. The two of you and the two of me. Let's go." SHIPS GIRL/BIRD FOREVER. <3

As you supposed, Tobias would have likely had a crush on Rachel before the events of the first book, and its easy to see how that attraction would have become stronger as he got to know her.

Rachel's POV requires a little more speculation. It's possible that she felt sorry for Tobias during their school days, and felt protective of him. Once Tobias became trapped as a hawk however, he begins to mature as he adjusts to his new form's predatory nature. 'Mean Rachel' mentions in #32 that she respects Tobias as a fellow warrior - he's a predator just like she views herself. 'Nice Rachel' mentions that she thinks he's cute. So I suppose those two reasons cobbled together are what attracted her to him.

I've been feeling the exact same thing btw. I recently re-read the series, and absolutely loved the Rachel/Tobias chemistry and romance. I'm actually in the middle of writing a TxR fanfic set just after #32

Offline itw2009

  • Gold Donor
  • *********
  • Posts: 2191
  • Karma: 217
  • Gender: Female
  • your daily dose of skepticism
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2010, 12:56:26 AM »
i'll second rachel's being protective.

i speculate and say she feels compelled to defend those who suffer bullying or unfair odds. chances are, the bullying was what first led her to notice him. or, i should say, i doubt she noticed anything over-the-top... i'd like to think that she would have tried to stop bullying if she'd seen it herself. but maybe she heard a rumor or two; it sounds like tobias stood out for his own reasons while he was in school...


i was not sad to see cassie and jake split. i don't think that either would have been happy in a relationship with one another. again, just speculation on my part, but i've heard this theory- that you're attracted to your opposite when you're younger, but attracted to someone similar to yourself when you're older (i.e., unless the both of you are very, very mature and can handle conflict well, being in a close relationship with your opposite means a fair amount of tension. different priorities, perspectives, goals...). in any case, JxC just falls into that hypothesis- if it has some grain of truth in it.

and i don't see why people don't understand why the "post-war" reason for the split is feasible. war, as an event that changes you dramatically and affects your daily life, is like.... summer camp on steroids. you make friends at summer camp because you're all there together, doing the same things, suffering under the same bad camp instructors, forced to eat the same nasty cafeteria food. once that's gone... the friends you make don't often keep in touch afterward. and why is that? why don't you keep in touch with 90% of your high school/college friends once you leave? (or, if you do, how long does the communication last? like, a year? or two, at most?)

i live five minutes from two roommates i had in college, but we never talk anymore. what was keeping us together is no longer there. we have little in common. none of the same professors, tuition costs, clubs, homework, exams... when suddenly everything that IS your life disappears, you fill it back up with new things... and seeing as the animorphs were all so very different (face it: they stuck together because they needed to save the world, not for much else), they just filled their lives up with very different things and therefore had no reason to hang together anymore.

the parallel for that probably isn't as accurate for a gf/bf relationship, but i'll be honest, i've never been in such a relationship, so it's hard for me to do more than hypothesize. ^^;


i actually liked elfangor/loren's relationship, if only for its uniqueness but apparent stability. ^^' and that's about all i can say on that.
“The President and a small group of people know exactly what he meant."




Offline franken_stein

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 4
  • Karma: 1
  • Gender: Female
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2010, 03:57:06 AM »
Which scene was the snake house scene?

This was in book 53, the second to last book. Jake is about to acquire the anaconda to show the Taxxons. I don't have the book with me but I've read each of the books so many times that let's see if I can recall from memory... sorry if I get something wrong. He says to Cassie that when the war is all over, maybe they should get married. Cassie cries a little bit I think, and she says, "I would like that."

I kind of hate the way she was with some other dude Ronnie in the last book because of this. I might have been okay with it if she was more unsure of what Jake was saying to her in book 53, but... because the exchange that they had, it almost gave the feeling of "things are going to be all right," for me. Like, maybe a lot of things would be lost in the war and maybe Jake would have come out of it with a LOT of PTSD, of course, but there might have been a feeling of "at least we have each other." But that got thrown out, rather abruptly, I think. Mmm, maybe actually that is the real issue I had with this whole relationship, the abruptness of the ending?

Offline Chad32

  • God
  • ********
  • Posts: 11951
  • Karma: 195
  • Gender: Male
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2010, 08:29:51 AM »
Yeah, I really didn't like how that one ended. Jake lost a lot of things, but at least he could have still had Cassie. She should have done more to help him through his depression. Heck Marco kept a better eye on him than she did.


Ani-Master 2014!

Offline rebelxluck

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 18
  • Karma: 5
  • Gender: Female
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #50 on: March 03, 2010, 04:10:16 PM »
When it comes to Jake and Cassie, I find them cute when they have their awkward moments but they don't really grab my attention until things start falling apart. In the scene where they talk about marriage, Cassie does cry but it's not at all a happy, hopeful sort of crying. She does say, "I would like that, eventually." That's followed by a very significant but...

Cassie knows Jake better than he knows himself; she knows that he's not going to be okay when the war is over, but he's fooling himself into thinking he will be. She tries to get through to him about that, but he can't really handle the truth at the moment. He needs to keep things together, and if deluding himself with false optimism will help, so be it (he's like this at the end, too, when talking to Marco about redeeming himself for his failures). Cassie doesn't push the issue, and forces herself to smile and sort of joke around. I'm not saying she's being fatalistic about the whole thing, but she's definitely aware that rushing into marriage expecting it to be a happy post-war panacea is highly unlikely. So she gives him the "ask me again in a year" proposal.

For me, this scene actually sets up their separation in the end. I'll agree that her suddenly being with another guy feels weird--but then, it's only sudden to us because so much time is skipped. If you use your imagination to fill in the development, it's not so strange. I do wonder, though, why it took Cassie so long to reach out and try to help him again.

Offline Meloda26

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 4
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Female
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2010, 03:18:23 PM »
I have been rewatching the Animoprhs episodes. It's been awhile I guess I still ike the the same couple Jake and Cassie. So does anyone could tell me about what happens in the book or is it similar to the show. 

Offline itw2009

  • Gold Donor
  • *********
  • Posts: 2191
  • Karma: 217
  • Gender: Female
  • your daily dose of skepticism
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2010, 05:16:47 PM »
i have never seen the show. (past episode one, maaaybe two.)

but i will tell you this: if you can stand watching the tv series, it is worth it to you to read the books. ^^ you might enjoy them very, very much.

and yes, cassie and jake are more or less an item in the book series. :)
“The President and a small group of people know exactly what he meant."




Offline Meloda26

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 4
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Female
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2010, 06:14:50 PM »
Really is there a reason you never watched the show.  Just wondering.

Really I'm trying to figure out where they have the books if they are still available at bookstores or not. My sister has a few.  Really that's cool.  Really that would be cool to find out about Jake and Cassie.  I heard that someone besides the author wrote the last few books of the series is that true.  ;D

Offline INH

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 29
  • Karma: 5
  • Gender: Male
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2010, 06:50:37 PM »
Actually, about half of the books were written by various ghostwriters.  I believe that every main series book from #27 to #52 was ghostwritten, except for #32.

Offline itw2009

  • Gold Donor
  • *********
  • Posts: 2191
  • Karma: 217
  • Gender: Female
  • your daily dose of skepticism
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2010, 09:00:01 PM »
...or something like that. you can def wiki the ghostwriter thing; has the numbers and ghostwriter names, etc.

and i never bothered with the tv series because i didn't think it was nearly as awesome as the book series. :) in fact, after reading the books, the tv show was a little disappointing to me.

so! i highly recommend getting your hands on the books, if you can. sometimes you can find them in bulk on ebay or something, if that's an option for you. i know i found my missing megamorphs there. =)
“The President and a small group of people know exactly what he meant."




Offline Meloda26

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 4
  • Karma: 0
  • Gender: Female
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2010, 07:35:35 PM »
Really that would be so much fun to read the books. Thanks for letting me know exactly where to find the books. 

Offline sherrilina

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 32
  • Karma: 5
  • Gender: Female
  • Jake/Cassie ftw!
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2010, 08:07:41 PM »
Chad28: While they never say it outright, I think that the implication that he chose Cassie is so strong that we can safely say he did.  I mean the book starts out with him kind of brushing her off when she needed to talk to someone, then next thing he knows he's in a AU!Future setting, in which he meets Cassie and finds that she has become this cold, hard, realistic, different version of herself, then he has to make the choice between her and the world, then next thing we know he's back home, thinking that he now knows what was important to him (I don't remember what the exact phrasing of that was, but it was that essentially), and following this thought (and following his vision of a world in which Cassie is cold and hard and not the person he loved, all starting from that one night he didn't comfort her), he calls Cassie.

Him choosing Cassie is just the only logical answer, given this sequence of events....I mean really, if he chose the world, why would the automatic response to him having realized what is most important to him be calling Cassie?  Why would the unknown being who engineered the whole thing note, after he makes his choice, how interesting it was, and that it would have to study these humans more?  Surely someone choosing the world over one measly person is what you'd expect most people to do, not all that noteworthy....

Jake and Cassie kiss one, they say in the narration they 'like' each other, a couple books later Cassie doodles she loves Jake on a piece of paper and then at the end he's proposing to her. I get what he meant about having spent so much time with her that he felt he knew he'd always love her, but come on, we see almost nothing of their relationship, and what was present was bland. At most times it seemed more like a crush to me than love.
Again, we do see much more than that, even if you can't remember it--see my above post.  I don't think that when someone chooses to save someone over the world it's a mere crush, either, but maybe that's just me.

In any case, all of you make me want to finish my project I began a few years ago of compiling every single Jake/Cassie interaction from every book!  Since so many of you don't seem to remember everything....I've only gotten around to a few books so far, but for instance, this is what I have from "The Encounter":

Quote
•   Everyone said good night. I saw Cassie and Jake touch their hands together in a way that could almost have been accidental.

•   "That's it, Jake," Cassie urged. She held his hand tight between both of hers. "Come back to me, Jake. Come all the way back."

•   "Ha ha! That was close!" Cassie exulted. She gave Jake a hug. Then I guess she felt self-conscious, because she ran over and hugged Rachel and Marco.

•   "If you feel like you're suffocating, you have to back out of the morph," Jake told her. He took her hand. "Are you listening to me? You have to back out if it gets bad. You can't pass out halfway into a morph."

Cassie smiled. "I will. Don't worry about me."….

<Aaaah!> she cried.
"Cassie, pull out of it!" Jake cried in an urgent whisper.

Or here is from "The Predator":

Quote
•   “Jake just shrugged. Cassie sidled up next to him and gave him a small little sideways hug. No one was supposed to notice. But right away Jake's harsh look mellowed a little.”

•   “"Cassie?" Jake asked.
"I'm okay," Cassie said.
"Me, too, Jake, thanks for asking," Rachel said.”

•   “I couldn't tell if Jake had told any of the others that I was quitting. Probably he had told Cassie.”

•   “Cassie sidled up next to him and nuzzled him with her wolf's muzzle.
I guess it should have been funny. The wolf and the tiger, sharing a tender moment. But all it did was make me a little jealous. They had each other.”

Now many of these aren't major, just little moments, but they do exist, their relationship was a constant, even if it wasn't always exactly on the front burner of the plots.

Post Merged: March 20, 2010, 08:21:50 PM
i was not sad to see cassie and jake split. i don't think that either would have been happy in a relationship with one another. again, just speculation on my part, but i've heard this theory- that you're attracted to your opposite when you're younger, but attracted to someone similar to yourself when you're older (i.e., unless the both of you are very, very mature and can handle conflict well, being in a close relationship with your opposite means a fair amount of tension. different priorities, perspectives, goals...). in any case, JxC just falls into that hypothesis- if it has some grain of truth in it.

and i don't see why people don't understand why the "post-war" reason for the split is feasible. war, as an event that changes you dramatically and affects your daily life, is like.... summer camp on steroids. you make friends at summer camp because you're all there together, doing the same things, suffering under the same bad camp instructors, forced to eat the same nasty cafeteria food. once that's gone... the friends you make don't often keep in touch afterward. and why is that? why don't you keep in touch with 90% of your high school/college friends once you leave? (or, if you do, how long does the communication last? like, a year? or two, at most?)

i live five minutes from two roommates i had in college, but we never talk anymore. what was keeping us together is no longer there. we have little in common. none of the same professors, tuition costs, clubs, homework, exams... when suddenly everything that IS your life disappears, you fill it back up with new things... and seeing as the animorphs were all so very different (face it: they stuck together because they needed to save the world, not for much else), they just filled their lives up with very different things and therefore had no reason to hang together anymore.

the parallel for that probably isn't as accurate for a gf/bf relationship, but i'll be honest, i've never been in such a relationship, so it's hard for me to do more than hypothesize. ^^;
Are they really all THAT opposite though?  :huh:  I mean, yes, they clashed sometimes over tactical decisions and such, and she has this heightened concern for the environment, but I certainly would not call her his "opposite"--they were both more quiet, reflective people, and they each enjoyed the other's company, were able to comfort each other, Jake could make Cassie feel better, Cassie made Jake feel better (though this changed towards the end when he became more and more damaged, and it was more just a one-way street comfort-wise).  Seems to me like they were quite a suitable couple, and I don't get why after being so compatible and enjoying each other's company so much over the years (especially when they spent so much time together, so they had the chance to get sick of each other and didn't) they would not last after the war?

Honestly, Rachel and Tobias were much more "opposite" than Jake and Cassie were, IMO, so if you are going to use that as an argument about lasting....the reason why Jake couldn't be with Cassie at the end had nothing to do with her, it had only to do with him and his PTSD.  He was too damaged to even sustain his friendship with Marco, his oldest and best friend, let alone a romantic one with Cassie!

Also I'm sorry, but war, especially a war as traumatic as this one, cannot be rightly called "summer camp on steroid"--unless in summer camp you regularly killed people!  ::) People at summer camp don't have the deaths of 15,000 defenseless beings and 10 handicapped kids AND their own cousin weighing on their conscience....they don't have PTSD, which DOES change your life forever, for the bad.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2010, 08:26:15 PM by sherrilina »
"Cassie is quieter than Rachel, more peaceful, like she always understands everything on some different, more mystical level.  I guess you could say I kind of like Cassie......"

Offline itw2009

  • Gold Donor
  • *********
  • Posts: 2191
  • Karma: 217
  • Gender: Female
  • your daily dose of skepticism
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2010, 09:34:42 PM »
okay, so you acknowledge that jake was damaged, and caring became a one-way street; cassie to jake, cassie to jake, cassie to...

once the war ended, did you think that would change? jake was pretty irreparably damaged, imho. he'd long since passed from the elastic into plastic. how many times can you bend a paperclip or a soda can pop-top before you can't bend it back... and it snaps?

yeah.
time, no matter how much, can't fix a broken paperclip.

and would you have saddled cassie with that? would she have left herself in that position? since she tends to know people better than they, themselves do... she probably foresaw how bad it could/would get.

so.... perhaps i'm not emphasizing 'opposite' so much as, well... whatever you would use to summarize what i said up there.


as for rachel and tobias.... who knows how they would have ended up. but they, at least, still had a two-way thing going in the end.

and if you don't like my summer camp parallel, that can't be helped. you're probably more of a 'facts' than a 'theory' person, so i tried tailoring my response to that. but can you really nitpick the concept behind my explanation? when something consumes your life for several years (or a week), you begin to reprioritize.

shared suffering creates friendships. the same way the loss of that suffering allows friendships created during suffering to fall apart. and you never answered my question. how many of your school friends do you keep track of, once you're not in the same classes or the same school? i mean, if you keep track of all of them, you'd prove me wrong. but if you only hold on to maybe 2 or 3 friends over the years... you're only proving me right.
“The President and a small group of people know exactly what he meant."




Offline Chad32

  • God
  • ********
  • Posts: 11951
  • Karma: 195
  • Gender: Male
Re: Romance in Animorphs
« Reply #59 on: March 20, 2010, 11:02:57 PM »
Jake wasn't irreparably damaged, though. He actually starts improving once Cassie finally starts trying to help him again. he takes that job as an instructer or whatever regarding the anti Yeerk terrorists. It makes me think if Cassie had stayed with him the whole time, it would have been better for him.

I don't really remember him cutting ties with marco, though he has become distant from everyone.


Ani-Master 2014!