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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2009, 07:14:26 PM »
This is the quote where Tobias explains why he doesn't make facial expressions:

Quote from: Book #23 The Pretender
"Are you okay? You don't seem surprised."

No, I didn't, I realized with a start. I had forgotten to make facial
expressions. It was something I didn't do as a hawk.

He's explaining that since he's so accustomed to being a hawk, he's forgotten to make facial expressions.

None of the characters had autism. I think KA would've mentioned it in the first book if any of them did.

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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2009, 07:36:51 PM »
Exactamundo.

It's a little annoying these days, all of the over-diagnosing of autism and ADD.  Ridiculous.
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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2009, 07:39:01 PM »
True!

*whinning tone* "My child can't sit down and stay quiet, he must have ADHD."

"NO! You just have to stop feeding your kid so much sugar and let him play outside more often! Be a GD parent for once!"
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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #48 on: June 30, 2009, 07:47:43 PM »
Quote from: Spartan 281 (Parker) on June 30, 2009, 07:39:01 PM
True!

*whinning tone* "My child can't sit down and stay quiet, he must have ADHD."

"NO! You just have to stop feeding your kid so much sugar and let him play outside more often! Be a GD parent for once!"

I agree. Everyone wants to make excuses for their problems instead of admitting faults and trying to correct them. Just lower the standards some more.
There are people out there that have these diseases/disorders, but too many people claim to have it that don't.
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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2009, 08:35:57 PM »
You know what?  Being born in the 80's, when Ritalin was subscribed to pretty much every-other-kid once they're old enough to speak, I'm almost willing to give some credit to Tom Cruise and his mistrust of psychiatrists.

Sure, the guy's a messed up looneytune.  But I think on that point he's probably at least partially accurate.

I just think psychology is a pretty dangerous thing, when you get it wrong.  You subscribe a pre-schooler Ritalin when he doesn't need it, who the hell knows what effect that has by the time he's a teenager/young adult?  Side-effects are proven.  Side-effects when the kid didn't have the condition in the first place?  Risky.

It just seems parents need to actually re-learn the art of disciplining their kids and raising them properly, instead of sitting them in front of a TV and then using psychiatry excuses to make themselves feel better, once their child starts misbehaving.  Because, you know, it couldn't possibly be bad parenting, the kid's obviously just insane.

Damn quick-fix lazy society.

It's the same with the "obesity epidemic".  Right.  "One in four Americans/Australians/Brits is morbidly obese!" - Dumb.  One in four?  Yeah, researcher-man, you're an idiot.  Take a walk down the street sometime.  Pass 30 or so people.  I guarantee 8 of them aren't Fat Albert.
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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #50 on: June 30, 2009, 08:41:21 PM »
I think my parents gave me ritalin, or something like that. But that was for terets, which I do have. My mom said that made me hostile, or something. Like argumentave, and angry. Now I've just learned to live with it.
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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #51 on: June 30, 2009, 08:42:17 PM »
You probably don't have Tourette Syndrome.

It's reasonably rare.  Look into it, get a second and third opinion, you never know the crap parents pull when you're too young to comprehend the consequences.
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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #52 on: June 30, 2009, 08:45:22 PM »
Well, I've got something.
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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2009, 10:52:22 PM »
we all have something chad
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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2009, 10:55:22 PM »
No, we don't, that's the thing.  There's a difference between regular phased behavior as a kid and a mental disorder.
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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #55 on: July 02, 2009, 03:29:36 PM »
Very true, parents are so freaked out about the kid reporting them to CPS, or a friend suing, or some bull like that, they don't discipline their child the way the child needs. Some kids need to be smacked to get a point across. When I was a kid, my parents gave me warnings after warnings, and the only thing that stopped me was the threat of getting hurt, and the knowledge that if push came to shove, I they WOULD make good on that threat.
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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2009, 10:05:07 PM »
Meh, I mean I was never really smacked as a kid.  Probably once or twice, I mean I was aware that they probably would if I did something really crazy. 

It's just about balance, man.  Beating kids and having them live in fear isn't right either.  But the soft new-age approach is absolute impractical tosh preached by limp-wristed cocooned medical types with the real-world experience and wisdom of a snowpea.
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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2009, 10:59:11 PM »
I remember a guy talking about this on Comedy Central. He said that when he was a kid and did something bad, his dad would throw a shovel througjh the wall. Whatever he did to make that happen, never happened again. But now if he yells at his kid, he's in anger management classes. They put him on Zoloft or something. Crazy stuff like that.

Everything in moderation. I know my neices just don't get the picture until we whack them on the hind end sometimes.
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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2009, 12:44:08 AM »
Quote from: AlothAssassin on June 30, 2009, 08:35:57 PM
I just think psychology is a pretty dangerous thing, when you get it wrong.  You subscribe a pre-schooler Ritalin when he doesn't need it, who the hell knows what effect that has by the time he's a teenager/young adult?  Side-effects are proven.  Side-effects when the kid didn't have the condition in the first place?  Risky.

I actually DO have ADHD, and refuse to take Ritalin. I took for about 2 weeks in 7th grade. Now, I'm a paranoid person to start with. Ritalin enhanced that paranoia SO much that I once opened every window in the house in under a minute because I could smell the cigarette smoke from when my uncle visited an hour ago.

Yeah. That was when my parents took me off the Ritalin.

I still have ADHD. Have pretty much every single symptom of it, even the lesser known ones. But instead of drugging myself to get rid of it, I learned work-arounds to help me out.

Although I still laughed when I started college, and they offered me a "distraction free room" to take tests in. There is no such thing as a "distraction free room" for someone with ADHD.
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Re: Is Tobias autistic?
« Reply #59 on: July 03, 2009, 01:06:35 AM »
I'm just skeptical about it, I guess.  It obviously has its place in society, but I just can't help but wince at the power psychiatrists have over people's lives.  That 5-year-old kid running around acting crazy is prescribed pills without comprehending even slightly why, and having to potentially deal with crazy chemical imbalances into his teens and later in life.  It's not really something you want to make a mistake with.

I was diagnosed with ADD by some random school psychiatrist visiting different elementary schools to "help parents" or whatever too.  I'm just lucky my folks didn't take it seriously enough to medicate me.  By the time I was 13 they forked out the money for a second opinion from an actual clinical specialist, the guy basically just laughed and said that something like 50% of kids born in 1986 were diagnosed with the same thing.

The autism thing seems the same.  "This kid's quiet and doesn't like football.  AUTISM!!1!!1roflwaffles."


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