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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2009, 01:13:32 PM »
I do think an animated series would be better off as more of an anime. People just accept more action when it comes to the anime-style. I'm obsessive about some anime (DB/DBZ[i pretend DB:GT doesn't exist :-P],Death Note, InuYasha,Monster Rancher, Digimon [Only Seasons 1&2],Sailor Moon[more for nostalgia, because now that i'm older i realize all the stuff in that series that makes no sense lol], and of course,Hayao Miyazaki's films). So i could easily see myself becoming obsessed with an Animorphs anime lol.

The anime-style never goes out of favor. I think Nickelodeon proved that with Avatar....their most successful animated series turns out to be one influenced by anime lol

I think with an Animorphs one, i would like the character drawn in the style of mangas/animes like Death Note...where the drawing style is more "realistic" than the usual anime-style

I would love if they got a big enough budget to do a computer-animated one. When some CGI-films, I get so shocked how natural some things look...but Animorphs would have to have like a super-large budget to get that kind of animation. So I think traditional animation would work best.

I also think a good idea is one that has been mentioned before whenever movie talk happens...live-action mixed with CGI...the Narnia movies and the Golden Compass movie showed us how we can get CGI-animals that look pretty much realistic...they would have to keep the animals 100% CGI so people would accept it. Because I hate when films/shows use live animals in most scenes but then switch to an obviously CGI-version for fight scenes. But again, that would be another budget issue lol

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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2009, 08:07:53 PM »
I also think a good idea is one that has been mentioned before whenever movie talk happens...live-action mixed with CGI...the Narnia movies and the Golden Compass movie showed us how we can get CGI-animals that look pretty much realistic...they would have to keep the animals 100% CGI so people would accept it. Because I hate when films/shows use live animals in most scenes but then switch to an obviously CGI-version for fight scenes. But again, that would be another budget issue lol

I agree! CGI animals are very good now, it'd be great for an Animorphs movie.
And I'd also accept an anime version, even if, I'd also prefer a Disney cartoon version.
In fact, if they follow the story and the comedy-tragedy we see in the books (I mean, if they don't make it childish, with good guys and bad guys and nothing between...), I don't really care if it's a movie or a cartoon or an anime or a TV show...
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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2009, 10:43:19 PM »
You cant really bring all the shows problems back to budgets

"sticking forks in people's ears is an effect that costs money" they could save money and use a plastic fork...

The real problem was they dumbed it down for kids and made it just a silly kids vs aliens gooftroop and didnt delve into any of the deeper issues that really wouldnt have cost any money

but thats not what we're talking about lol

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well don't forget, anything good is going to cost more, including good writing. they wasted all of their money on live animals.

good point, but it wasnt all that poorly writen, the problem was just the direction they took it. They aimed for it to be a lame little kids show cause thats what they thought would sell

And the animals prob did use a big chunk of their budget, and they didnt even get the right animals lol it was basically whatever live animal they could wrangle up from the set next door they'd throw on screen lol

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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2009, 10:15:50 AM »
Yeah. If you're going to go the live animal route, you could at least get the right animal. Though how easy is it to train a gorrilla and whatnot.

Let's see. Rachel was a lion, Marco was a wolf, and Cassie was a horse. Jake was a white tiger instead of an orange tiger, but compared to the others that's quite excusable. At least he was a tiger. Tobias had the same problem as Jake, didn't he? Wasn't he some other kind of hawk instead of a redtail? But again, at least he was a hawk.


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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2009, 10:45:45 AM »
I do think an animated series would be better off as more of an anime. People just accept more action when it comes to the anime-style. I'm obsessive about some anime (DB/DBZ[i pretend DB:GT doesn't exist :-P],Death Note, InuYasha,Monster Rancher, Digimon [Only Seasons 1&2],Sailor Moon[more for nostalgia, because now that i'm older i realize all the stuff in that series that makes no sense lol], and of course,Hayao Miyazaki's films). So i could easily see myself becoming obsessed with an Animorphs anime lol.

The anime-style never goes out of favor. I think Nickelodeon proved that with Avatar....their most successful animated series turns out to be one influenced by anime lol

I disagree because anime is kind of a niche market. Animorphs is already a niche fandom and they don't need to alienate people who don't like anime for whatever reason.

I think that they should do a live-action CGI. They could have 4-6 movies that simplify the stories and cast unknowns for Animorphs and bring in big stars for the smaller roles (Tom, Visser 3, Visser 1, Mr Chapman, etc.). I also think it would be a good idea to re-publish the books as a tie-in with the first movie and possibly stagger it as more movies come out.

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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2009, 01:09:02 PM »
To be perfectly honest, I don't really mind just-for-fun drivel-entertainment.  In fact I like it.  300?  Not meant to be historically accurate, meant to be This Is Sparta!  Open Season 2?  Deserved it's direct-to-DVD release, but, heck, I enjoyed it for what it was.  If things were different, and I were living in Japan now (and had the necessary language skill), sure I'd spend the thousand yen to go see this year's Pokemon film in July.

But, I'd be excited for the Evangelion release later this month, too.

The problem is that studios, quite rightly, treat serious films as a risk.  The best it seems we can hope for in the West is something that's funny-with-heart, like Pixar's work or intended for an established adult audience--which means live action here, probably building on a preexisting and decently popular franchise.

Incidentally, that's where the raft of comic-book adaptations have come from.

But, animation, even though it's mostly escaped from the "animation age ghetto" is still stuck in the "silly story ghetto."  In short, while Americans have learned that not all animated media is "kid friendly" (I feel sorry for any parents who made that mistake with Akira, lol), they have yet to accept that animation can be really gritty or deep.  We've got snarky, slapstick, and pointed adult animated series (South Park, Futurama), but nothing with the intensity of, say, the recent Batman films.

And no studio is willing to take the risk of changing the status quo.  

Really a shame, because there were TV shows in the 90's that respected the intelligence of their kid audiences.  Even something comparatively silly like Transformers: Beast Wars had enough literacy to still be interesting today.

Falcon's observation that animation quality is decreasing is relevant, too.  I've been watching Gargoyles and Digimon Tamers recently, and, yeah they're a lot smoother than even good anime from the past year or two, Code Geass.



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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2009, 01:29:12 PM »
I like you

but I'm on the more optimistic end of things. I think people are slowly realizing that animation is a medium, not a genre, and thus can pertain to more than just kid fluff. Movies like Persepolis and like you said, Akira (though that's a little older) are shifting the *zeitgeist* or *paradigms* or w/e big word you want to use there. And even Pixar, which, at the beginning, produced mainly fluff (talking toys and happy ants? yeah six-year-old marketing base!) is getting a little grittier. I don't think the first half hour of Wall-E could really be considered a kids movie. And most of the well-respected animated shows skew a little bit older, or at least, gain fans who are a little older. Avatar, the Batman series, Beast Wars, like you said, all aim for stories that are a little deeper, a little more gray, a little less...fluffy.

Though I disagree with JFalcon. I love Transformers Animated and I don't care who knows it.
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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2009, 03:29:22 PM »
Time to be cynical...

I don't see an Animorphs movie happening anytime soon. If we're really lucky, we might get a throwback that turns out to be of good quality, even if it isn't entirely true to the originals (See Transformers).

The problem is that, as of now, it's a niche series, with two distinct sides. We have the young side that the series was intended for, and the more mature audience that delves deeper into it, like ourselves.

Based on film maker stereotypes, if it were made animated or like a cartoon in any way, it would be more geared to the younger audience, as a simple fact. There are a few exceptions to this rule, but they are few and far between.

If it were made to be animated, we'd surely lose the battles beyond anything more than near misses or completely survivable or exaggerated blunt trauma that the victim just walks away from.

The more mature the film gets, the more serious it gets, the more it alienates the younger audience. It would be grittier and more enjoyable for us, true, but it would also be live action, most likely assisted with high-quality CGI.

For something as small and forgotten as Animorphs, I find it highly unlikely it would be geared lower, but still with the high quality of larger, more well known films geared to younger audiences, such as Narnia.

There's still trouble. I find that a film geared to younger audiences would not really happen simply because the books are long out of print, and that audience has likely not even heard of Animorphs. The more mature audience is far to small to warrant the budget needed for the quality to make a movie geared to the more mature audience.

This is best realistic possibility that I see: Another ten, fifteen years pass, and Hollywood is looking for ideas. They come across Animorphs, and while it was originally set for kids, they see it definitely had capacity. They decide to go with it, and make a high budget film. It wouldn't follow the plot in any real way beyond using the name, characters, and basic premise.

Basically, what happened to Transformers.

The problem with this idea is that Transformers was on TV, a show that the vast majority of people had some concept of, even if they weren't real fans. They would react to the film by recognizing the title, and deciding to see it out of nostalgia.

Animorphs was a long book series, and if a person didn't read them, they'd basically be clueless as to how things go. It wouldn't have the nostalgia affect on nearly as many people. A large sum of them would think it was based on the Nickelodeon TV show, and decide it wasn't worth a second glance.

You need to remember, filmmakers don't care about having the best movie, just the one that's most profitable.  Sadly, Animorphs simply isn't that marketable. We might get lucky with a throwback in a while, but beyond that, I don't expect much at all.

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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2009, 11:32:44 PM »
I would have to agree with Think. As good an idea as we might think Animorphs is, the movie market will probably largely avoid it because it just isn't that popular anymore. I'm sure we'd like to think so because we love it so.  ;D

As my sister put it "Hollywood re-makes stuff because they know people will watch it. They're afraid to make original things because no one will know what it's about. People want to see things they know they'll like."

Then again, they did make an Underdog movie geared towards today's young generation, and the adults that grew up with it. But if my mom hadn't told me about the original cartoon I wouldn't have had any clue.

Personally, I would go either CGI or CGI/live action if a movie was ever made. I'm also not sure if this would be a multi-film project or just one movie that covered the origin of the group and the start of their fight. If there was the potential for more films it would be one of those projects that was based on how the first movie does in theaters, I think.

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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2009, 11:54:43 AM »
I don't think I'd even want to see an Animorphs movie. While it's an interesting idea, in practice movie adaptations often miss something, which tends to upset a good portion of the fanbase. Either the main idea of the series is dumbed down (Animorphs especially might be in danger of this; the people behind the movie/series might decide to put less emphasis on the darker aspects of the series and emphasize the "wow! aliens! spaceships! lasers!" aspect), or characters are changed for whatever reason. Either way, it doesn't feel right.

Take the Lemony Snicket movie, for instance. As a big fan of Snicket's series, I felt the movie was rather "off the mark."
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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2009, 12:01:49 PM »
well..that's why they'll make the movie in a few more years, like 5 or 10 years. By then the fan base will be so small the movie people can ahead and ignore basic stuff, completely change the story, and come out with something that is completely different, but just has the Animorphs logo on it.

Either that or make a movie that is close to it and rename it.

An animorphs movie would be interesting for me because of how they would do the animals. It'd have to be believable and its hard to do that with real live animals.
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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2009, 07:56:33 PM »
i agree with Wild, maybe this just becuz im obsessed with anime but I would definitely watch an anime styled animorphs show. LOL that's actually one of the things I daydream about when I should be paying attention in school(and yet i've still be recommended for 3 honors classes ;D) it could totally work out if had Naruto, Bleach, Inuyasha, or Soul Eater styled animation. Death Note style would be great too but that goes along the lines as too realistic for me. lol I can totally image Animorphs with a kick ass anime opening like the kinds Bleach(9th bleach openign FTW) and Naruto(7th Naruto Opening FTW) have. LOL I've actually imagined an Animorphs version of the 9th bleach opening

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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2009, 06:31:47 PM »
I don't think I'd even want to see an Animorphs movie. While it's an interesting idea, in practice movie adaptations often miss something, which tends to upset a good portion of the fanbase. Either the main idea of the series is dumbed down (Animorphs especially might be in danger of this; the people behind the movie/series might decide to put less emphasis on the darker aspects of the series and emphasize the "wow! aliens! spaceships! lasers!" aspect), or characters are changed for whatever reason. Either way, it doesn't feel right.

Take the Lemony Snicket movie, for instance. As a big fan of Snicket's series, I felt the movie was rather "off the mark."

I think even a bad movie would be better than no movie at all.  Either way it'd bring in some new fans.

Using a personal example, I saw the 2004 Phantom of the Opera film when it came out and thought it was pretty good.  It led me to read the original novel, get the London cast recording, and look at other versions of the story.
After getting into the fandom I began to realize that the 2004 film was actually quite bad.  But I'm still very glad they made the movie, because I never would have discovered the musical, book, or older films without it.
And while the film did upset the existing fanbase, it also revitalized it and gave fans something new to discuss.

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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2009, 09:38:56 PM »
I don't think I'd even want to see an Animorphs movie. While it's an interesting idea, in practice movie adaptations often miss something, which tends to upset a good portion of the fanbase. Either the main idea of the series is dumbed down (Animorphs especially might be in danger of this; the people behind the movie/series might decide to put less emphasis on the darker aspects of the series and emphasize the "wow! aliens! spaceships! lasers!" aspect), or characters are changed for whatever reason. Either way, it doesn't feel right.

Take the Lemony Snicket movie, for instance. As a big fan of Snicket's series, I felt the movie was rather "off the mark."

I think even a bad movie would be better than no movie at all.  Either way it'd bring in some new fans.

Using a personal example, I saw the 2004 Phantom of the Opera film when it came out and thought it was pretty good.  It led me to read the original novel, get the London cast recording, and look at other versions of the story.
After getting into the fandom I began to realize that the 2004 film was actually quite bad.  But I'm still very glad they made the movie, because I never would have discovered the musical, book, or older films without it.
And while the film did upset the existing fanbase, it also revitalized it and gave fans something new to discuss.

I agree: I began to read Anne Rice because I liked the movie Interview with the Vampire ;)
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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2009, 10:14:28 PM »
I don't think I'd even want to see an Animorphs movie. While it's an interesting idea, in practice movie adaptations often miss something, which tends to upset a good portion of the fanbase. Either the main idea of the series is dumbed down (Animorphs especially might be in danger of this; the people behind the movie/series might decide to put less emphasis on the darker aspects of the series and emphasize the "wow! aliens! spaceships! lasers!" aspect), or characters are changed for whatever reason. Either way, it doesn't feel right.

Take the Lemony Snicket movie, for instance. As a big fan of Snicket's series, I felt the movie was rather "off the mark."

I think even a bad movie would be better than no movie at all.  Either way it'd bring in some new fans.

Using a personal example, I saw the 2004 Phantom of the Opera film when it came out and thought it was pretty good.  It led me to read the original novel, get the London cast recording, and look at other versions of the story.
After getting into the fandom I began to realize that the 2004 film was actually quite bad.  But I'm still very glad they made the movie, because I never would have discovered the musical, book, or older films without it.
And while the film did upset the existing fanbase, it also revitalized it and gave fans something new to discuss.
I never thought about it that way, actually. Reminds me of how I got into Frank Herbert's Dune series. I watched the 1984 David Lynch Dune movie and thought it was pretty good. It led me to read the book, and then I realized how much the movie contradicted the book.

I still think a movie wouldn't be the best format. The people behind the Snicket movie tried to squish 3 books into the one movie and did a horrid job of it. A TV series would probably be better; they'd be able to really develop the characters more and focus on important plot points rather than just getting everything into a 1.5 hour form.

The way I'd do it, is I'd probably try to make each book (or two books) into an episode, perhaps cutting out some of the less important parts (like the Helmacrons? Were they really that necessary?) and perhaps making movies out of the Megamorphs and Chronicles books.
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