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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2009, 07:32:54 AM »
I think that Ax could be a good leader if he was ever asked to.  It's just that he was always faithful to his current leader that he never seemed like he could be a leader himself.

I agree with most that Marco is probably more likely, but I that's because Ax was disconnected from Earth for a lot of the series.  Andalite morals and human morals were often quite different and Ax could not lead a species he did not know.
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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2009, 08:50:46 AM »
furthermore, would a psychopath refuse Crayak's temptation to be Super Rachel? No. And that's the last book she narrates before the end. The last thing she thinks about before being killed is shopping.


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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2009, 10:34:28 AM »
lol yeah, mea culpa... The Drode said "a sociopath" :P
I know she isn't a true psychopath, but her love for fight and death (the death of Controller and her own death...), when she fight until near death, you see there is a problem somewhere... if nobody stop her, if no leader to say to retreat, she'd die earlier in the series. She's a little crazy, you should accept that, every RAFians are a little crazy too so you know what is it :P
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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2009, 10:38:25 AM »
Fighting to near death desn't mean there's something wrong with you. It just means you don't fear death. That's a kind of bravery. Psychopath or Sociopath are rather strong words. the Drode does tend to hit on the money with the characters, but I feel it's only a half truth.


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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2009, 11:03:32 AM »
Of course it's half truth ^^ But it was so funny when he said that! (sorry, I just love the Drode ^^')
And in the case of Rachel, it isn't only bravery, it's a little more... There are insanity in her fight, and it's OK for the Animorphs, because they won many fights because of that. But what would really happen if she survived the war?
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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2009, 11:24:46 AM »
Go steady with tobias. Get into the fight against the terrorists. Or the military/police force. There would be plenty for her to do. She may even settle for a non fighting career.


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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2009, 11:26:14 AM »
I think Marco would have made teh best choice for 2nd .
Though it would be interesting to see what would happen if Aximili was in charge XD.
I think it might go to his head. going from the Aristh who calls Jake prince to being the Prince. It might be to much for him.

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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2009, 01:58:04 PM »
"People without fear aren't brave. They're just crazy."

I don't remember where, but I believe that came up somewhere in one of Rachel's books.

Despite her qualms she grinded through a challenge.
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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2009, 03:11:01 PM »
Oh, really? Well I guess it's said that true courage isn't about being unafraid. It's about doing something even when you're afraid. Still, warriors shouldn't fear death. And she was a warrior.


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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2009, 12:38:44 AM »
I, personally, think they should fear death (unless they're helmacron warriors, because we all know helmacrons are crazy), just not so much they can't face it.

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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2009, 10:49:53 AM »
While I don't think Rachel was psychopathic or insane I do think the other Animorphs viewed her that way, I think to a degree they'd all have had problems following her orders long term. Rachel wasn't incapable of functioning outside of war, honestly I think she could have been a "real" survivor like Cassie, she might have been bored like Marco but I don't think she would have gone off playing "Rachel the Homicidal Maniac" she was poorly handled in the books not narrated by herself, the others had this image of her that, regardless of her actions, they never really seemed interested in changing. Rachel's need to always appear ready to fight is as much for her friends' benefit as anything, being self sacraficing and fearless is a decent quality in a leader but not if it costs you your image to your troops, I think the others saw Rachel as the Riddick (yes I know Riddick came out later, it's just the best analogy I can think of right now, just roll with it) of their group, the technically evil creature they sick on the much eviler creature to bring about peace, and, like Riddick, Rachel isn't actually evil, but I don't think the other Animorphs really appreciated that, I remember finding it really hard to forgive Cassie for essentially quitting the group for fear of being like Rachel, I remember thinking "you should be so lucky, princess!" but meh.

Marco on the other hand, it's tricky to say. Marco is very much a strategist and for that I like him, I always like the strategist characters, they're the best. He shows at least a degree of command ability at several points in the books and its true that after 5 he was definately in it to win it (I know, I hate myself for not coming up with a better way to say that) but I don't know how effective he would be in the thick of a fight, how well he'd pay attention to the larger picture when he's got to keep track of where everyone is, what they're doing, and fend off the Hork-Bajir's blades, in this area I feel like Jake really excelled, possibly out of necessity, still as second in command Marco definately has his merits, assuming that he can put up the right image for it, like Rachel everyone has this way of seeing Marco that isn't wholly accurate, in the heat of battle when the king is gone will you follow the Jester into war? Few people can honestly say "yes" to that.

Overall I think the idea of Marco and Rachel working together wins out, though a good second in command could well have been Cassie. Cassie who knows everyone so well she could--if she wanted to but she rarely wanted to--manipulate them all into doing her bidding ("now bring me cheese puffs! vegitarian cheese puffs!") and probably make them think it was their idea. Would they be the super Yeerk busters they might be under Rachel or Marco's rule? No, they'd probably be a lot less agressive and attack loggers, or deer hunters, but they'd all do so with a strange sort of happiness because afterwards Cassie would touch all their sadness with her magical wand and turn it into--okay this is going downhill, but seriously, Sun-Tzu said it best "Know yourself, know your enemy, find not to fear in 100 battles, know yourself and not your enemy find victory and defeat in equal measure, know not yourself and not your enemy find defeat in every battle" Cassie knew the group better than they knew themselves (minus Rachel I think), by Sun Tzu's logic she should have at least found victory and defeat in equal measure whereas Marco knew himself but not his group really, at least not like Cassie knew them, and Rachel didn't really seem to know the group or herself . . . so yeah, my bias says Rachel and Marco together, but my unbiased head says Cassie deserves serious consideration.
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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2009, 04:17:27 AM »
I think Marco Would be the best, Or perhaps A Tobias/Ax combo could of worked out ok... Because they both always did have a level head. Well Tobias didn’t when it came to Rachel and Ax when it came to how great the andalites where.. until near the end he got over it.

And I think of all the characters I feel most sorry for Rachel, because Jake being a good leader I guess as they said throughout the books used Rachel, but more so then everyone else.  And like someone else said Cassie quits because she doesn’t want to become Rachel when Rachel knows she has a problem.  And in the end dies a Martyr, willingly so that everyone else didn’t have to die.  Pretty big sacrifice really, but everyone especially towards the end of the books was harassing her about being a war monger, it’s not like she didn’t have enough personal daemons.

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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2009, 04:33:23 AM »
Definitely not the Rachel that she was towards the end.. I'd go with Marco, or Tobias. Marco and Jake would be good at leading together.
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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2009, 01:43:05 PM »
It sure seems like Marco is 2nd in command, at least at the end -- in book 53, when Jake falls into the Taxxon hole, he yells for Marco to get everyone back to camp...This shows he trusts Marco to get the job done more than anyone else.

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Re: Second in command.
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2009, 07:43:23 PM »
Definitly Marco, despite the idea that their is something heroic in being stupid, what you really want in a leader is strategy.