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Did the Ellimist use Arbron? (Spoilers)
« on: April 28, 2009, 11:04:21 AM »
 Here's my question for everyone, and this contains spoilers, just in case you missed that.

 Anyway is it just me or does it seem awfully coincidental that Arbron and the others all got seperated so early into their mission on the Taxxon world? Now if they hadn't been there is a chance that everything could have gone swimmingly, that they'd get the time matrix and be off but would the Ellimist want that? If they had gotten the time matrix they would have given it to the Andalites, so things had to go wrong, but just how wrong was Arbron getting trapped as a Taxxon? If the Ellimist didn't want it that way he could have returned Arbron just like he did Chapman, but the fact that he didnt and the events in the end of the series suggest to me that the Ellimist might have had a hand in Arbron getting trapped in the first place.

 He couldn't find Elfangor but why didn't he find Alloran? Why didn't Alloran find him? Why didn't the Taxxons that found their crashed ship just eat him and the skrit, why, if they never cease to be hungry, did they settle for just the skrit and the cocoons when injured Arbron was right there and Elfangor was defenseless? In the end Arbron getting trapped worked in the advantage of the overall scheme of things, he became a heroic general for the living hive, aiding in Elfangor's escape from the space port, and later helped the Animorphs on Earth, but the whole thing, everything from the living hive to his arrival and activities on Earth reek of the Ellimist to me.

But, when the Ellimist used Tobias to free the Hork-Bajir he gave him a reward, freedom from his nothlit state. Why then was Arbron left to die in some forest? Tobias was given the morphing power again before he even freed the Hork-Bajir, and given a human morph once he succeeded, Arbron got . . . what, exactly? Death after literally years of suffering for the cause? Was he discarded by the Ellimist without any reward, or was he just a being of amazing mixed luck and coincidence? Was Tobias only rewarded because he would have refused to help otherwise?

What are your thoughts? And sorry if this has been tackled before  :P
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Re: Did the Ellimist use Arbron? (Spoilers)
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2009, 12:43:04 PM »
Huh.
Never thought about that before; but I'm gonna say no.

Personally, I just hate the notion that the Ellimist has a hand in everything. He's god like, but he's still not a god; and I despise the idea that he's running the whole show, even for stuff I know he had a hand in, I deny it to myself.

I like to think that at least some of this stuff just is the luck of draw for this individuals. Arbon was unlucky to be trapped, lucky not to be eaten and continue the fight, unlucky to die as he did.
He was a solider, not a tool, and that just happened to be his lot, like all the rest of us
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Re: Did the Ellimist use Arbron? (Spoilers)
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2009, 08:39:46 PM »
Still, you can never know. The whole setup of Cassie, Marco, Tobias, Ax, Jake and Rachel was planned and set up by the Ellimist. El Fangor was mostly set up by the Ellimist. I wouldn't be surprised if the Ellimist had something to do with Alloran; whether we like it or not, Visser Three being a moron is what basically won the Animorphs the war. As far as Arbon, I don't know. I think the Ellimist only rewards people if he has to, Arbon would've done what he felt was right regardless;Tobias needed a hand.

The Ellimist might have also been limited in what he could do by Crayak; he probably couldn't stay within the rules if he rewarded everyone. Alloran was probably a trade in some way (The Crayak may have wanted an Andalite Controller for the Yeerks, but without seeing what the Ellimist planned).

Everything seems to be blamed on the Ellimist and Crayak.

If we don't like that route, which does get quite boring after a while, we can attribute it to amazing coincidence.


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Re: Did the Ellimist use Arbron? (Spoilers)
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2009, 09:00:05 PM »
If we don't like that route, which does get quite boring after a while, we can attribute it to amazing coincidence.

i'll go that route.

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Re: Did the Ellimist use Arbron? (Spoilers)
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2009, 11:33:54 PM »
what an effective solution

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Re: Did the Ellimist use Arbron? (Spoilers)
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2009, 01:11:55 AM »
Very good question. Can't help but ponder now!
Though I, too, hate the notion of the Ellimist having an 'indirect-hand' in every event in the Animorphs universe, I can't help but think 'yes', he did have a hand.
The time gap in between the events that turned him nothlit and to the point where we next see him in The Answer, is really abstract, but it certainly feels long. It just feels like there was plenty of factors that would point to his death, being in a Taxxon's body.
But we know that in between he was captured, for the Yeerks knew all he knew.
For all chances, Arbron had very bad odds of survival, and yet survive he did. Through Yeerk-capture he ended up on Earth. He turned out to be a valuable asset to turn the tide of the war in Earth's favor. HOW could this not be anything but the Ellimist's handywork?!

As for a reward, HOW do we know there wasn't one?! I got a feeling this would have been one of the plots KA would have addressed in the never-to-see-print Taxxon-Chronicles.

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Re: Did the Ellimist use Arbron? (Spoilers)
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2009, 03:21:41 AM »
Very good question. Can't help but ponder now!
Though I, too, hate the notion of the Ellimist having an 'indirect-hand' in every event in the Animorphs universe, I can't help but think 'yes', he did have a hand.
The time gap in between the events that turned him nothlit and to the point where we next see him in The Answer, is really abstract, but it certainly feels long. It just feels like there was plenty of factors that would point to his death, being in a Taxxon's body.
But we know that in between he was captured, for the Yeerks knew all he knew.
For all chances, Arbron had very bad odds of survival, and yet survive he did. Through Yeerk-capture he ended up on Earth. He turned out to be a valuable asset to turn the tide of the war in Earth's favor. HOW could this not be anything but the Ellimist's handywork?!

As for a reward, HOW do we know there wasn't one?! I got a feeling this would have been one of the plots KA would have addressed in the never-to-see-print Taxxon-Chronicles.


Yeah I'm sure KA was going to come up with a way everything worked out in Taxxon chronicles. Who knows what Arbron faced after Elfangor left.
But I agree that the Ellimist probably tried his handy work on that one. It was to perfect
the part where he doesn't get eaten while injured after the crash. I mean a Taxxon goes crazy over easy to get food like another injured Taxxon. poor Arbron.

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Re: Did the Ellimist use Arbron? (Spoilers)
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2009, 08:51:07 AM »

As for a reward, HOW do we know there wasn't one?! I got a feeling this would have been one of the plots KA would have addressed in the never-to-see-print Taxxon-Chronicles.


It did occur to me that the reformation of the Taxxons, or even his own death may have been rewards to Arbron, I guess since we don't get to see his POV in any of this we can't know for sure, still it seemed sort of cold if the Ellimist had arranged for Arbron to be where and what he was by way of getting all his proverbial chess pieces in place, that he'd just let him rot and then be murdered once the war on earth was over.
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