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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2009, 11:38:14 AM »
I sometimes wonder about the hosts of those Yeerks that decided to go nothlit. Were the Yeerks in morph capable hosts, or were the Yeerks themselves in morph. If they were merely choosing for their morph capable hosts to become nothlits, then what of the opinions of the hosts? Everybody counts it as a good thing that Yeerks defected and became nothlits, but what if they were dragging Humans down with them?


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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2009, 11:46:52 AM »
OK is there anyone except me who see the funny think about this tread...





For what I know Stasiea is a big fan of Cassie and I think morfowt like her too. I place her on top 3 myself.
I'm not sure about Nohensen but then everyone is at least allmost anti-Cassie.

Still, who is it that tries to bring her down? Me, Stasiea and morfowt!
And who is trying to defend her...

Imagine Marco reading this... He would have material enough to write a book. A thick book. Like lord of the rings or something!!!

Actually I don't know anyone here well enough to notice that, but now that you mention it, I agree, it's hilarious  ;D

If I wanted Cassie to seem too perfect so I could hate her I could be really childish and say "Cassie is always right because she's the writer's favorite character, so there, it's not fair, Cassie is too pure, nyah nyah, boo boo!" but come on, that's just silly.

The fact is it's a nice coincidence that she's usually right, and personally I don't think there's any real problem with people who dislike Cassie or who, like me, are indifferent towards her, noticing some of her good points, I'd think her fans would be thrilled, you guys should totally ride this wave, whip us all into a pro-Cassie frenzy, don't burst the bubble  :P




I sometimes wonder about the hosts of those Yeerks that decided to go nothlit. Were the Yeerks in morph capable hosts, or were the Yeerks themselves in morph. If they were merely choosing for their morph capable hosts to become nothlits, then what of the opinions of the hosts? Everybody counts it as a good thing that Yeerks defected and became nothlits, but what if they were dragging Humans down with them?

I think they had morph capable human hosts until the war ended, then they went nothlit themselves so that they would no longer need to infest. But I kind of wondered how they chose their bodies and genders, they're blind after all and you have to visualize, so they'd have to infest someone to get a look at the person they're acquiring before they acquired them you'd think, but wouldn't that infestation have been illegal?
"I would be a ghost of this dynasty before I'd be a general of rebels and traitors!" ~ Pang De, Romance of the Three Kingdoms

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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2009, 11:50:42 AM »
Not really. They can use the host they're already in to look in a mirror. Then they have the image. They get the DNA while they're inside.

I was talking about the ones before the war ended.


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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2009, 01:31:24 PM »
Ah yeah well I think Ax said that it wouldn't have worked for them if they were just in morphed humans, the humans would be trapped the yeerks would still be separate and die after 3 days, and I don't think Visser 3 had yeerks without hosts obtaining the morphing technology because it made host bodies fairly unnecessary and would have begged the question of why he didn't just back out.

If it was just because he didn't want to admit defeat or leave the Animorphs alive he could have, how had Ax put it? Ignited the planet's atmosphere from space with the poolship's bad-ace guns (I'm paraphrasing of course  :P)
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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2009, 01:52:30 PM »

If I wanted Cassie to seem too perfect so I could hate her I could be really childish and say "Cassie is always right because she's the writer's favorite character, so there, it's not fair, Cassie is too pure, nyah nyah, boo boo!" but come on, that's just silly.


So the core of my reasoning for disliking Cassie is silly and childish. Mmmkay then.

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The fact is it's a nice coincidence that she's usually right,

No, it's not a coincidence, it's (imo) sloppy writing and favoritism. Cassie became the author sledgehammering into the readers heads that war is bad BAD BAD. It got old enough when it was just her, but when it turned into everyone jumping onto the Cassie is perfect and is always right no matter what and look how stupid everyone else is for disagreeing with her and she's the only one who ever knows the right thing to do train, it just made me want to puke.





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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2009, 02:41:15 PM »

If I wanted Cassie to seem too perfect so I could hate her I could be really childish and say "Cassie is always right because she's the writer's favorite character, so there, it's not fair, Cassie is too pure, nyah nyah, boo boo!" but come on, that's just silly.


So the core of my reasoning for disliking Cassie is silly and childish. Mmmkay then.

I think you misunderstood the joke, (edit: I feel the need to add also that it wasn't aimed you or anyone else) I'm not saying that you can't dislike Cassie or that favortism is not a good reason to dislike her, I'm certainly not calling you childish--I thought it was clear it was a joke after the second "nyah", but if you feel insulted I'm honestly sorry--I'm saying that people could just ignore the topic and just say that instead of explaining why they feel like Cassie is always right. It's one thing to say she's never wrong, it's quite another to actually prove (or try to prove) the point of view by supplying evidence for it.

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The fact is it's a nice coincidence that she's usually right,

No, it's not a coincidence, it's (imo) sloppy writing and favoritism. Cassie became the author sledgehammering into the readers heads that war is bad BAD BAD. It got old enough when it was just her, but when it turned into everyone jumping onto the Cassie is perfect and is always right no matter what and look how stupid everyone else is for disagreeing with her and she's the only one who ever knows the right thing to do train, it just made me want to puke.

If you say so, frankly while I agree that Cassie could be tiresome I don't know what train you're talking about, the other characters all had different opinions about Cassie, they didn't all see her as being always right, that's something that was brought up in this topic.
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"I would be a ghost of this dynasty before I'd be a general of rebels and traitors!" ~ Pang De, Romance of the Three Kingdoms

"My brain! My brain! Me hurty to think!" ~ Zim, Invader Zim

"Fight it off? You must have me confused with someone who's brave." ~ Church, Red vs Blue

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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2009, 03:18:11 PM »
I apologize for taking your joke poorly.

As for the train, I meant the writers. All the writers seemed obsessed with proving Cassie right, perfect, and saintly, especially as the series got near the end.

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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2009, 03:39:08 PM »
I apologize for taking your joke poorly.
I just hope I didn't offend you or anyone else.
As for the train, I meant the writers. All the writers seemed obsessed with proving Cassie right, perfect, and saintly, especially as the series got near the end.
I can see your point then, but weren't they like K.A.'s underlings? I don't know if they had very much power over characterizations, K.A. might have dictated that kind of thing, or noted it as being important.
"I would be a ghost of this dynasty before I'd be a general of rebels and traitors!" ~ Pang De, Romance of the Three Kingdoms

"My brain! My brain! Me hurty to think!" ~ Zim, Invader Zim

"Fight it off? You must have me confused with someone who's brave." ~ Church, Red vs Blue

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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2009, 03:28:02 AM »
I sometimes wonder about the hosts of those Yeerks that decided to go nothlit. Were the Yeerks in morph capable hosts, or were the Yeerks themselves in morph. If they were merely choosing for their morph capable hosts to become nothlits, then what of the opinions of the hosts? Everybody counts it as a good thing that Yeerks defected and became nothlits, but what if they were dragging Humans down with them?
no, I'm pretty sure ithey were morph-capable yeerks. otherwise they'd still have to rely on kandrona rays... and there were morph capable yeerks. tom's yeerk said it himself that he was morph-capable...

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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2009, 06:52:06 PM »
Just admit that she was extremely hilarious when she peed on Visser 3...

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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2009, 07:09:54 PM »
That was one of the best moments of the whole series. Just the ending itsself makes the book worth the read.


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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2009, 08:03:21 PM »
That was a classic moment for sure. I for one wonder just what went through Visser Three's mind.
<Hmm, small animal aiming its rear at me. I have a tail that can cut a man's head off so quickly no one can see it happen, I could kill this Andalite bandit before it finishes raising it's odd looking bottom off the ground . . . know what? Not gonna worry about it.>
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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2009, 05:16:05 AM »
I wonder how long it took for visser three to realize (or to listen to one of his human subordinates) that he was tricked...

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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #58 on: February 23, 2009, 09:21:05 AM »
I think there's a certain time and place for everything, and after Visser 3's been soaking in the wrong kind of juice for any more than ten minutes you do not want to be the one to tell him it's the wrong kind.  :P
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Re: Has Cassie ever been wrong?
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2009, 05:11:18 PM »
I think there's a certain time and place for everything, and after Visser 3's been soaking in the wrong kind of juice for any more than ten minutes you do not want to be the one to tell him it's the wrong kind.  :P

I actually know someone who I think want to tell him. Tobias! Imagine him gliding in from above and shout "SORRY WRONG JUCIE... TRY AGAIN FOOOOOOL!!" And then fly away with a roar of laughter.

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Maybe the little visser runs straight through the forrest, trying to find a skunk too acquire...