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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #60 on: February 24, 2009, 07:11:55 PM »
I would think differently. I'll always believe that she focused too much on the war itsself late in the series, as opposed to focusing partly on other things early in the series.

I don't think I ever countered a statement you made, but if popularity doesn't determine quality in a book series, then what does? Anything with the intent to sell is determined good or bad depending on how it sells, and what the consumer thinks of it.


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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #61 on: February 24, 2009, 07:20:28 PM »
I dunno. I'm not fond with how the series ended (although I do totally dig the fact that it was pretty much the opposite of HP's ending- instead of having everything neatly tied up and concretely finished with the stated intention that no one else would ever be able to continue the series, KAA left it so no one really knows what happened in the end and inspired about eight-point-seven billion continuation fanfics...) but I respect that it had such a gray, no-one's-really-happy, we-survived-now-what kind of feel to it. I just feel, as I've noticed lossa posters seem to, like #54 should have been about seven times larger than it was. There were so many minor characters that are never mentioned again. We don't know what happened to them, how they dealt with the war ending, Rachel dying, whatever. Gafililan and Mertil? Chapman and Melissa? Naomi, Jordan, Sara, Dan? Nora? Estrid? Aftran and Karin? I'd have been happy with more from Esplin's trial, more about Toby and the Hork-Bajir's move to Yellowstone, something, maybe, about Ax's life after the war. =/ But it seemed so hurried, like she was just trying to get through it...

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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #62 on: February 24, 2009, 07:30:11 PM »
I don't think I ever countered a statement you made, but if popularity doesn't determine quality in a book series, then what does? Anything with the intent to sell is determined good or bad depending on how it sells, and what the consumer thinks of it.

You want a blunt answer?  Balls.  Animorphs had balls.  Think about it, have you ever read any other series aimed at children that included half of this stuff?  Grey-area morality, shellshock, nightmares of battle, traitors, shifting alliances, complex uneasy relationships, allusion to swearing and gore?  It's absolutely unheard of.

Your statement about commerce being the defining factor in a quality product is ridiculous.  Miley fuggin' Cyrus sells a bazillion records a year, does she have artistic merit? 

Animorph's absolutely defining feature was that Katherine and Michael weren't afraid to go places usually deemed inappropriate.  She didn't talk down to anyone, didn't pull punches, didn't pretty it all up to make it a clean "good V.S. bad" story of triumph over evil.  She wrote a dirty morally-compromising war story.

And, you know what?  Her personal quality of not being afraid to piss off a major quantity of her readership goes along perfectly with that mindset.  She had something to say, she had a point to make, and she MADE it, KNOWING there would be a backlash.  That's admirable.  It really seemed she sat there and thought "Okay, they're going to want Jake to save Tom, and Rachel and Tobias to be together, and the Visser killed.  They're probably the three major payoffs the kids are wanting from this series."  And she illustrated quite clearly that that type of thing very rarely happens in real life.

She made an effort to teach pre-teen/young teen children something, and it simply went over all of your heads.  It's pretty ridiculous.
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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #63 on: February 24, 2009, 07:47:11 PM »
I actually like Miley Syrus.

And the reason that kind of thing isn't done often is because that isn't what sells. You may be right that most kids just liked to see the morphing and stuff. They didn't mind the darkness, because there were other things for them to take. I'm really certain that if she had done something like the ending early in the series, she wouldn't have gotten far. Not with the demographic she was aiming for.


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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #64 on: February 24, 2009, 07:50:12 PM »
But, hey, trying something different and a little more intellectually satisfying didn't get her far either, it would seem.  God forbid someone not talk down to their audience and rather try to make them think.  What a crime.
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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #65 on: February 24, 2009, 07:58:01 PM »
There's nothing wrong with treating children like children. You're only a kid for a little while, so don't try to make them grow up too fast. Assuming one lives for the average 80-90 years, they have several decades to be adults, and learn the gray truths of the world. Treating someone like what they are is not talking down to them.


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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #66 on: February 24, 2009, 08:28:43 PM »
There are a thousand other children's series out there catering to children as children.  You're missing my point.  Animorphs was unique in that it was what it was.  It was a children's series, but in a lot of ways it really wasn't.  It seems incongruous to expect a conventional ending for a series like this, since aside from the general pitch/concept ("turning into animals") it never really dealt in children's book conventions anyway.

I actually agree with your point about letting kids be kids.  But there are so many other books out there that fulfill that.  It's pretty hard to argue that Animorphs was ever one of them.

I mean, expecting a happy ending?  For a series this BLEAK since about book #21?  Seems odd.
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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #67 on: March 12, 2009, 11:45:29 PM »
There are a thousand other children's series out there catering to children as children.  You're missing my point.  Animorphs was unique in that it was what it was.  It was a children's series, but in a lot of ways it really wasn't.  It seems incongruous to expect a conventional ending for a series like this, since aside from the general pitch/concept ("turning into animals") it never really dealt in children's book conventions anyway.

I actually agree with your point about letting kids be kids.  But there are so many other books out there that fulfill that.  It's pretty hard to argue that Animorphs was ever one of them.

I mean, expecting a happy ending?  For a series this BLEAK since about book #21?  Seems odd.
Amen, brother! I'm proud to be a fan of a children's book series that brought up suicide in book #3!

As for one change, I'd like to see some inclusion of a little sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll. They are American teenagers, after all, and the end of the series would have been the perfect time for Rachel to say to Tobias or Jake to say to Cassie "Hey, we could all die tomorrow. Do you wanna die a virgin? I don't think so".

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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #68 on: March 14, 2009, 08:52:23 AM »
I would have more Andalites in it. I know that sounds dumb. Sorry.

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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2009, 10:19:20 PM »
"Hey, we could all die tomorrow. Do you wanna die a virgin? I don't think so".

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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2009, 09:20:20 PM »
If I was definitely going to die tomorrow, I'd make sure to settle some things first...

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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2009, 10:01:46 PM »
i would change the covers of books 3, 23, 33 to look more like the cover of book 49. cuz Tobias has blond hair and hes not human in book 3 lol

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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #72 on: March 18, 2009, 04:12:22 AM »
I quit reading around book 35. When it came out.
Over the past 3 weeks (I reordered every single book) I read it all. The most "exciting" to me were the last 5 books. I don't like how the end left me hanging. LIke I hate watching lawn and order svu.. and the end is some trial. It's not enough. I want to know what happened. I want another long book. I need an absolute ending, I guess.

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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #73 on: March 27, 2009, 01:00:10 AM »
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As for one change, I'd like to see some inclusion of a little sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll. They are American teenagers, after all, and the end of the series would have been the perfect time for Rachel to say to Tobias or Jake to say to Cassie "Hey, we could all die tomorrow. Do you wanna die a virgin? I don't think so".

I agree. Not necessarily that blatant, but by the end of the series I was thinking "They're supposed to be sixteen? They still sound twelve."

Not a single mention of the transition to high school, nothing about learning to drive (16 is the age to get your G1 in the US, right?)... things like drinking, drugs, sex and all that is understandable. By that point, they didn't really have the chance to "be teenagers". But it would've been nice to see some of those things mentioned, so they didn't seem like 13-year-olds through the whole series.

Speaking of high school... Chapman VPs two schools at once? ::)

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Re: If you could change one thing in the series......
« Reply #74 on: March 27, 2009, 08:27:47 AM »
I don't remember any mention of other schools. Maybe the middle school and highschool have the same people in charge. I don't know.

By the end, all the other stuff that doesn't have to do with the war fades away. Which is part of the reason I like the early times better. The books became too much about the war, and not as much about the characters. I mean it's the Animorphs series. Not the Yeerk Invasion series.

I would have liked to see a part where Marco drives to Jake's house, or they mention how different highschool is, or something.


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