Why didn't Tobias try using the Escafil Device again?

[Terenia]

Does anybody have an Andalite scientist hidden in their back pocket? Cause we could really use one right about now....


I would say there's definitely a link between the mass in Z-space and the morph body and somehow, after two hours that link is no longer maintained (save for the consciousness). But that's about all I've got....

[filmstu2005]

There's an additional complication as well. I can't remember exactly when they said it, but you can't acquire someone when they're in morph.

Funny you mentioned that. Because in Tobias' final book, The Diversion, KA broke her own rule and allowed Tobias' Mom Loren to acquire his DNA when he wasn't a true bird. What was up with that? Cause i know it was stated somewhere in the series that it was impossible to do, just like morphing str8 from one animal to another (only if you have a morph allergy like Rachel could that happen).

So i guess that's my question, why did she let Tobias' mom acquire him when there was a rule stating it impossible. Huge plot hole, and it seemed like the only way to get herself out of the corner she'd written herself into.

[morfowt]

actually, they mention quite a few times that the hawk is now tobias's original form.

[Mongoose]

actually, they mention quite a few times that the hawk is now tobias's original form.

And that's most probably down to the Ellimist rather than the technology.

There's one problem with the 'mass in Z space' theory. That only explains things if you go small, what happens when you morph something larger than yourself. Come to think of it, where does that extra mass come from in the first place?

[morfowt]

good question. It couldn't come directly from z-space because ax said there's absolutely nothing in zero-space.

[CounterInstinct]

i think there exist a thing such as negative mass... hehehehehe.... hey, aliens, time travelers,  and mighty morphing kids exist in that world. Negative space sounds so normal. 

[Phoenix004]

this is probably a really stupid question, but once Tobias became a Nothlit, why didn't he try using the blue box again? i mean that would be the first thing i would try. sure he couldn't be himself again, but it might have given him back the morphing power

I'm sure somebody has already said this (don't have time to read the posts right now) but it has been said several times in the series that a nothlit cannot receive the morphing power (unless you happen to know an omnipotent being who owes you a favour).

Also, Tobias got his powers back from the Ellimist in book 13, but they didn't get the blue box back until book 20.

[Venom]

yea both have been said

[Starsword]

If Tobias is a nothlit Hawk, and becomes himself as a nothlit, is he still a nothlit? or did he just make a big figurative circle.

[morfowt]

he's still a nothlit, although because the ellimist is involved, no one is a hundred percent sure on that.

[Starsword]

Lets ask him

[Phoenix004]

I'm pretty sure that would make him a nothlit, as he would be unable to morph or acquire the morphing power again (unless the Ellimist owed him another favour). The fact that he is a trapped in his original body doesn't mean he's not a nothlit.

[Tim Bruening]

this is probably a really stupid question, but once Tobias became a Nothlit, why didn't he try using the blue box again? i mean that would be the first thing i would try. sure he couldn't be himself again, but it might have given him back the morphing power

The Morphing Cube was missing until David found it in book 20.  By that time, Tobias had already regained his morphing powers, so didn't NEED to use the morphing cube!

It is my understanding that the morphing cube won't work on nothlits.