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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Darth Zakryn on January 24, 2011, 03:30:21 PM
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Ok, I have a question. Does anyone else LOVE Erek? I mean, Erek King is one of my all-time favorite Animorphs characters? Here's the first topic to discuss about him.
Does Erek feel remorse for killing all those Controllers? I mean sure, he felt sad because of what the memory did to him, and I know it is a war and killing had to be done, but two things will not scar his image for me. One: Did he kill them painlessly? Rachel says it was brutal, but did he make them suffer before he killed them? Did he do it fast? Snapping necks, severing spines, electrocuting people, etc? And Two: Does he feel remorse that he killed, not just for what it did to him personally?
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1: It's fair to say that he feels horrible for killing. Not to mention that he is truly unique among the Chee for having been the first of their kind to kill and now every other Chee is going to know him as that guy.
2 I don't think torture is Erek's MO. He's all ready seen his people dying slowly and painfully and he's witnessed humans committing horrible attrocities to one another. He knows how to kill efficiently and I do believe electrical shock would have been the quickest way to do it.
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I liked Erek too. There are a lot of ways he was useful to the Animorphs. Some of which weren't even exploited.
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Erek is one of my all time favorite book characters ever.
Of course he felt remorse, if you count both the hosts and the yeerks that's almost a hundred people he butchered
Of course he killed them quickly and painlessly, I always assumed he must have had some sort of energy projection device like Iron man's repulsors, first because it took him about ten seconds to destroy around two dozen human controllers and two dozen hork bajir controllers, second it took him less than ten minutes to get from his house in the middle of the city to the pemalite ship 3 miles under the ocean, and third because Jake said it felt odd blackmailing a creature that could obliterate him down to his individual molecules.
[spoiler](http://thecoolgadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ironman-repulsor-rays.jpg)[/spoiler]
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Erek waso ne of my favs too. I wish KA would have given us a full pic of a chee in their natural form, instead of just their feet (http://www.scholastic.com/animorphs/download/10andr.jpg). Anybody else find it hard to believe Erek just completely stayed out of touch with the Anis since the war ended? I know Cassie said that would probably be the last time they'd see Erek but after all they've been through I found that hard to believe, even if he was mad at them(mostly Jake) Erek was like an unofficial member of the team. Well...he probably would have stopped talking to Jake but I'm sure he kept in touch with Marco and Cassie
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Erek waso ne of my favs too. I wish KA would have given us a full pic of a chee in their natural form, instead of just their feet (http://www.scholastic.com/animorphs/download/10andr.jpg). Anybody else find it hard to believe Erek just completely stayed out of touch with the Anis since the war ended? I know Cassie said that would probably be the last time they'd see Erek but after all they've been through I found that hard to believe, even if he was mad at them(mostly Jake) Erek was like an unofficial member of the team. Well...he probably would have stopped talking to Jake but I'm sure he kept in touch with Marco and Cassie
Especially Cassie since they seem to be of the same frame of mind (pacifism) and since she's the only one on Earth/still alive at the end of the series.
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I don't know. It seemed like the only reason she knew where Tobias was is because she worked with the Horks, and he was living with them in Yellowstone.
I don't know if the Chee kept in touch at all.
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The Chee made a big deal of "not interfering" with the progress of man. The only reason we know about Erek and the Chee is because Erek wanted to kick Yeerk Ass. I think most of the Chee wanted to keep a low profile after the War.
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They weren't keeping a low profile already? The anis were the first humans...not even humans, they were first ANYTHING other than the Howlers to know of the Chee's existence
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They weren't keeping a low profile already? The anis were the first humans...not even humans, they were first ANYTHING other than the Howlers to know of the Chee's existence
Sorry. I should have said "Wanted to CONTINUE keeping a low profile."
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I know that Erek has a lot of things going for him as far as being a likable character goes, but has everyone forgotten that Erek was one of the contributing factors of Rachels death? If he hadn't taken out the weapons systems they could have disabled the blade ship and handled Tom and the others without sacraficing Rachel.
Also, I get the whole pacifism thing, but he and the rest of the chee always seemed cowardly to me. What would have happened if America had refused to help stop hitler on the grounds of pasificm?
I get that war isn't always the answer, but it was clearly need when it came to the yeerks and Erek could have done a whole lot more than he did.
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I know that Erek has a lot of things going for him as far as being a likable character goes, but has everyone forgotten that Erek was one of the contributing factors of Rachels death? If he hadn't taken out the weapons systems they could have disabled the blade ship and handled Tom and the others without sacraficing Rachel.
Also, I get the whole pacifism thing, but he and the rest of the chee always seemed cowardly to me. What would have happened if America had refused to help stop hitler on the grounds of pasificm?
I get that war isn't always the answer, but it was clearly need when it came to the yeerks and Erek could have done a whole lot more than he did.
No he couldn't. The Chee are programmed for non violence, they don't have a choice. I remember them talking to a female Chee once who said she wished they could do more for the war effort.
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I haven't forgotten that it's partly Erek's fault that the Bladeship got away. Also espousing pacifism is fine and dandy, but it's been said that it loses its value when you have no choice. Erek has faults. He's not a Marty Stu or anything. You could tell in book 26 that the only reason the Howlers were a threat at all was because Erek's programming was still intact.
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No he couldn't. The Chee are programmed for non violence, they don't have a choice. I remember them talking to a female Chee once who said she wished they could do more for the war effort.
Yes, they did have a choice; The Animorphs captured a pemalite crystal which would have allowed him and the others to rewrite their programming. In fact, Erek DID rewrite his programming and was so powerful he took out two dozen controlers on his own.
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No he couldn't. The Chee are programmed for non violence, they don't have a choice. I remember them talking to a female Chee once who said she wished they could do more for the war effort.
Yes, they did have a choice; The Animorphs captured a pemalite crystal which would have allowed him and the others to rewrite their programming. In fact, Erek DID rewrite his programming and was so powerful he took out two dozen controlers on his own.
And then the crystal was gotten rid of. Did the other Chee even know?
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That is a good question, I wonder...
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Had a strange thought.
Ever since I learned that Erek King was the name of a kid who won the Scholastic contest, I thought, wouldn't it be cool if the real Erek King had an account here? I mean, do we know anything about that kid?
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No, but we should make a website that he may one day stumble across (www.ErekKing.com) that tells him we would enjoy having him as a member. Lets just hope he didn't die in some kind of Accident.
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No, but we should make a website that he may one day stumble across (www.ErekKing.com) that tells him we would enjoy having him as a member. Lets just hope he didn't die in some kind of Accident.
That wasn't the only fan-created character, you know. The first time we see a Hork-Bajir seer, in #5, was inspired by someone who, like me, used to go to The Chee Database named Erin Dover.
Her Hork-Bajir character, Daroneasa, is the inspiration for Toby Hamee.
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Aldrea and Crayak were fan inspired too.
I didn't know that about Toby Hamee. It seems odd that KA never acknowledged that, as she was usually pretty good about giving the fans credit for inspiring her to do things a certain way.
Unlike JK who insists the idea for Harry and Ginny had nothing to do with fans insisting that those two would wind up together.
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That well-spoken Hork-Bajir controller was supposed to be a Seer? I never knew that. I just figured the Yeerk took extra effort to learn to speak well.
Though of course I didn't know there were intelligent Horks until much later in the series.
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Aldrea and Crayak were fan inspired too.
I didn't know that about Toby Hamee. It seems odd that KA never acknowledged that, as she was usually pretty good about giving the fans credit for inspiring her to do things a certain way.
Unlike JK who insists the idea for Harry and Ginny had nothing to do with fans insisting that those two would wind up together.
Odd fact: The real Erek King is African-American, while the book Erek is caucasian.
About that Horkie: The term Dover used was Hork-Bajir Thinker. I guess KAA thought that was too insulting to the rest of the species and changed it to Seer for #13/#23/HBC.
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That well-spoken Hork-Bajir controller was supposed to be a Seer?
Oh crap, I had a brain fart. He said Book #5.
No, that wasn't a Seer. That was one of Visser One's Hork-Bajir. Visser Three's Hork-Bajir were always speaking a mixture of English and the Hork-Bajir tongue. Visser One trained hers to speak perfect English.
That wasn't the Hork-Bajir talking, it was the Yeerk.
Odd fact: The real Erek King is African-American, while the book Erek is caucasian.
That doesn't surprise me in the slightest actually.
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And then the crystal was gotten rid of. Did the other Chee even know?
Most likely. The CheeNet, remember?
Aldrea and Crayak were fan-inspired? Wow, I didn't know that. Do we know anything about who came up with either of them?
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Not so sure about the who. But in high school, back when they posted KA applegate's responses to fanmail, I used to read it pretty religiously.
Following book 6 there were a lot of requests for a follow up on the Big Red Eye that Jake saw as Temrash was dying. And there were also a ton of requests for a female Andalite characters.
That's why I got so angry with people dissing KA over the ending of the series. Everyone flipping out because of, "Ram the blade ship".
I mean, come on, she gave her readers everything they asked for. Not to mention, she gave us a whole new species on a silver platter to write fanfiction for. She even encouraged the fanfiction authors by making references to them in her responses to the fans.
But that's not for this discussion. Anyhow.
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Odd fact: The real Erek King is African-American, while the book Erek is caucasian.
Where did you see that? I used to be part of the fan club or whatever when I was younger and the newsletter had a "WINNER OF THE MORPH YOURSELF CONTEST" thing in it and had the real Erek's entry and picture and he looked pretty white to me...
I can scan and post pictures when I get home later tonight.
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That contest had a couple winners actually.
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I would love to win a contest for my favorite book series, though I never got an opportunity.
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Okay found it!
[spoiler]This is from Issue #5 of the Animorphs Alliance News Flash thingy.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd114/sunsetblvd00/ErekKing.png)
And here are the 2nd and 3rd place winners from the backs of books 10 & 12. The second place winner's name was also Eric, spelled differently though. (Sorry I know it's a ****ty scan)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd114/sunsetblvd00/Winner2.png)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd114/sunsetblvd00/Winner3.png)
Now to be really creepy... I think this might be the real Erek King all grown up. Omg I'm such a creep D:
http://www.myspace.com/erekk[/spoiler]
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But Panthers are really black jaguars.
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We should ask this potential Erek king what he knows about an Animorphs contest from long ago...Someone email/message him.
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Not many people remember what happened 14 1/2 years ago.
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Yeah, but winning a contest like that has GOT to be cool enough to remember. Especially if he was a fan, which I imagine he was considering that he entered the contest in the first place.
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Unless his friends entered his name as a joke.
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Oh man, what a joke to backfire! lol! Could you imagine, if that was the case, how that would have felt when the winners were announced?
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It'd be even worse if he didn't find out about it until 14 1/2 years later... through email from some random stranger on RAF no less.
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Erek is one of my all time favorite book characters ever.
Of course he felt remorse, if you count both the hosts and the yeerks that's almost a hundred people he butchered
Of course he killed them quickly and painlessly, I always assumed he must have had some sort of energy projection device like Iron man's repulsors, first because it took him about ten seconds to destroy around two dozen human controllers and two dozen hork bajir controllers, second it took him less than ten minutes to get from his house in the middle of the city to the pemalite ship 3 miles under the ocean, and third because Jake said it felt odd blackmailing a creature that could obliterate him down to his individual molecules.
[spoiler](http://thecoolgadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ironman-repulsor-rays.jpg)[/spoiler]
Book 30: Visser 1 realizes that the Animorphs might be human when she remembers that she doesn't recall ever hearing about any Human-Controllers getting killed in the war! But wouldn't she hear about the 2 dozen Human-Controllers Erek killed in book 10?
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Maybe not. V3 might have covered up the loss of a valuable piece of advanced technology.