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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Johnny Xtreme on February 25, 2010, 10:56:26 AM
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ATTENTION: Here is a true ending for the Animorphs series that ALL fans will appreciate. This ENTIRE series NEVER actually happened. I repeat this ENTIRE series NEVER actually happened. The Animorphs series, every single book is a POSSIBLE future.
Let me explain.
We all know of the Andalite Seerow and of course Seerow's Kindness. He gave interstellar travel to the Yeerks which allowed them to leave their homeworld and travel the stars. They immediatly started infesting other races like the Taxxons, and Hork-Bajir then finally humans.
We also know of the Ellimist who are very powerful and can alter space and time, but do not interfere unless intelligent life is threatned. Now that the facts are stated here's my ending.
Right before they enter the Blade ship (FADE OUT). The Ellimist and Seerow are standing on the Yeerk homeworld. The Ellimist turns to look at Seerow and says to him "What you saw is what will transpire if you give the Yeerks the power to travel the stars. You will be responsible for the death and enslavement of COUNTLESS intelligent beings."
Seerow has a look of absolute horror on his face. He replies <I did not posses the knowledge of the consequences of my actions. If I had I would not have made that decision. I would not have given the Yeerks the technology.>
The Ellimist fixed Seerow with an intense stare and replied "You now posses that knowledge. You may still give the Yeerks the technology OR leave this planet and never return."
"What is your decision?"
For Seerow, there was no choice involved.
THE END
That is how Applegate should have ended it. No cliff-hangers, but a perfect unexpected twist that wil make jaws hit the floor. The idea actually popped into my head and I haven't even finished the series. I don't actually know 100% how the series ended, but I've read enough to get the gist and I think my ending is better.
If you agree or disagree with my ending please let me know. I want it to be judged.
What if?
Ask youself the HUGE question. A question NEVER asked. A question NEVER answered. A question NEVER discussed or talked about till now.
What if there was no Seerow's Kindness?
All future posts feel free to ask questions this ending raises or answer previous ones. This WOULD change the timeline so be very liberal and imaginative in questions and answers. To start this off right I'll post the first question we address.
What happens to Tobias?
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I absolutely LOVE your ending haha. That would be so freakin sweet if that happened. The only thing that makes me somewhat dislike the idea is that there would be no actual animorphs. Which was probably the idea but I love the fact that the ending would be such a huge twist.
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Well to begin with I think your proposed ending is very interesting, though saying that all fans will appreciate it seems a bit overambitious . . . then again since I do appreciate it I geuss I'm in no position to talk.
In that case . . . Tobias who? If there were no Seerow's Kindness Elfangor would never have become human. Even if we grant that he would still have gone into the military (no real reason to think otherwise) and met up with the humans and the Skrit-Na had taken the time matrix there would have been no Yeerk Empire to sell it to, no Hork-Bajir war for Alloran to go nuts during, no Taxxon for Arbron to get trapped as, all the things that led to Elfangor deciding he'd had enough of the war would have been different or nonexistant--what am I saying there would have been no war for Elfangor to decide he'd had enough of.
So there would be no Tobias. Not the Tobias we're aware or anyway, if the man Loren was allegedly supposed to end up with had had a son with her and named him Tobias for one it wouldn't genetically speaking be the same Tobias since Tobias's father was Elfangor's morph, a collection of different people thus it's impossible for Loren's unknown dream suitor to be the same man, thus from the start we have a very different Tobias . . . maybe he would have been a girl to boot making any relationship with Rachel drastically different to say the least. All in all I'd say "Tobias? Tobias who?" Because the Tobias of Animorphs would simply not exist, the mission to drop the humans off on earth would have gone on without a hitch and without a disgraced Alloran along for the ride they might not even have gone after the Time Matrix, might have had someone who wanted to send the information up the chain of command instead and not bother themselves with it.
In fact if Arbron was fluent in xeno-datology or whatever only because the council didn't want another Alloran on their hands then he wouldn't have been at all in a universe where Alloran never went mad, and thus might never have seen the information of the Time Matrix and the Skrit-Na might have eventually figured out what it was and used it for their own ends which given the Skrit-Na probably wouldn't have even come across as as major a threat as the Yeerks to the Andalites (since the Andalites wouldn't notice the changes in time) so it could have been years before the Andalites ever realized or cared what was happening and had they tried to stop the Skrit-Na they might have found themselves not existing.
To go one step beyond, Ax might also not exist if the Andalite laws allowed his birth only because of the war, as Elfangor says in TAC. Seerow could have actually taken out two of our heroes just by leaving the Yeerks alone . . . trippy.
I would wonder though, if there had been no Seerow's kindness but still the battle between the Ellimist and Crayak . . . might Crayak have eventually taken steps of his own to help the Yeerks off their home world? Would the Yeerks have been more dangerous if they'd had their own homeworld as a base of operations from the start instead of having to roam until they found the Hork-Bajir world or might they have been more reasonable if they hadn't been at war from the beginning? Could the very military driven Visser/Council of Thirteen system of government have been softer if they hadn't felt threatened?
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"PRINCE SEEROW!"
FSSSSSSS
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"GET IN".
Seriously though, that's some clever thinking on your part. It makes sense. The Ellimist is technically allowed to interfere at least once (much like in #7, #13, and AC) to warn against what is about to happen, especially when it affects an entire species (and in this case, it's the whole galaxy). However, what's to say that the Ellimist didn't already warn Seerow? Maybe the Ellimist did show Prince Seerow what could happen with his choice, but Seerow, with being naive and willing to hope for the best in a species, went with his original choice anyway?
I don't think K.A ever considered your scene in the first place, but your entire ending rests on Seerow actually taking the Ellimist's warning and not giving the Yeerks Andalite technology. I'd like to think that even if K.A. wrote this particular scene in the book, Seerow would've still stuck to this beliefs and went with his choice anyway.
Besides, now that I think about it, I would've actually been a little disappointed if K.A. ended everything with a 'dream-ending'. It's one of the worst ways to end a story (a major no-no for many writers) because, ultimately, everything the characters would've done or gone through would've passed by without any sort of consequence, making it all pointless for the reader in the end.
I also don't like the fact that the main story would've just ended up as a (really long) 'what-if' story than the actual canon non-existent one. It especially would've been disappointing for Animorphs since it ran for 6 years. I'd say most fans might even take that as a slap to the face. (But I do like that you thought up of this little loop hole. It was very clever, and it definitely has potential, but just not as the definite ending for a long-running series.)
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Wow. Definitely interesting.
I wouldn't take it for canon; it's kinda like a big "ha-ha I got you kinda"; like when a show does something for 3 weeks and then says "oops, it's a dream, none of that mattered"- kinda lame.
Still, what you wrote here was pretty cool for an idea to play with.
Made me gawk for a moment anyway
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Hmmm, I do really think this is a cool idea, but would probably beyond the scope of what the Ellimist is allowed to do. Throughout the series, it's really emphasized that both Ellimist and Crayak's biggest rule is that they are only allowed as minimal of a maneuver as possible. So I think in this case, this would definitely not be allowed by the rules of the game...
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That's a very Twilight Zoney kind of ending, but I like the Twilight Zone XD
Could work, but I'm one of those weirdos who actually liked the ambiguity of the ending, even if I kind of felt rushed along. I think the "never happened" ending is even more of a copout than a cliffhanger. Here's a thought: What if, when they hit the Blade Ship, they all ended up back at the mall on the night they met Elfangor, and it all started over again?
And GREAT SCOTT! Essam, +1 for making my day XD
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Shouldn't this go in the fanfiction section?
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Yeah it definitely belongs in the fanfiction section
Its an interesting question to raise, but to be honest I don't really like the tone in which you raised it.
ATTENTION: Here is a true ending for the Animorphs series that ALL fans will appreciate.
Thats essentially a slap in KA and Michael Grants face. Their ending is the true ending. This is fan fiction. Whether YOU think that your ending is better is a completely different thing. Had you said, "Hey guys, I thought up another ending that I thought might be cooler than the original, I hope you like it any feedback would be great." Then maybe I wouldn't have entered your story so biased against you and might have liked it a bit more.
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1. Clever; I approve of the concept, although as a reader I would have been a mite displeased upon realizing the Animorphs themselves never existed in the first place, most of them never having been born.
2. I half-agree with Duff. It bears some offence toward the authors, however based on some conversations I've had with the authors... I don't think they would be deeply personally offended by it. We as readers and admirers of them are taking offence on their behalf, regardless how they themselves would react to it.
Nicely done, lad.
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Also...why have you posted this exact post three separate times?
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Here's a thought: What if, when they hit the Blade Ship, they all ended up back at the mall on the night they met Elfangor, and it all started over again?
Now that one's awesome.
All this has happened before and will happen again.
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1) This thread has already been posted.
2) This belongs in the fanfiction section.
3) Applegates ending is the only TRUE ending, as you put it, whether you like it or not.
4) The idea of it all being another Ellimist cop-out makes me angry. I don't like when things tie themselves up with a neat little bow. Life isn't like that.
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1) This thread has already been posted.
2) This belongs in the fanfiction section.
3) Applegates ending is the only TRUE ending, as you put it, whether you like it or not.
4) The idea of it all being another Ellimist cop-out makes me angry. I don't like when things tie themselves up with a neat little bow. Life isn't like that.
Yeah, I'm with you 100% Jessi >.< As much as I still do enjoy a good Twilight Zone...
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Yeah, It was a nice idea and well written but I've always hated "it was all just a dream" or "It's been erased from history" type endings. And like the others have said before, this isn't the true ending and you've posted this in 2 other topics. Whether or not it was your intention, it is spam.
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Uh oh. The natives are getting angry. Go, Johnny go! Go Johnny, go go go!
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(How awesome of a coincidence is it that the topic creator's name really is Johnny? That's the last BTTF joke, I swear. ;D)
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Don't lie, Essam. :P
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"Guess you guys aren't ready for that, yet. But your kids are gonna love it." ;D
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The ending was hard for me.. But I wouldn't have it any other way. Your idea is interesting.. But to find out after all those faithful years that it was just something that "could" happen? I wouldn't have been too happy
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And then Cassie spends and entire book wondering why 2 of her best friends are gone, why another best friend is totally depressed and angry all the time (Rachel with no outlet for her rage) and often has dreams of flying. She gets in contact with the Elimmist and undoes his undoing.
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ngl, personally I would have hated an ending like that. That falls under the "it was all a dream" type of scenario, which may have once been cool and original, but these days it's often a cop-out. Basically it renders the entire story pointless. All the pain and suffering our main characters went through? Oh, well, let's say it never happened! If you're going to have an ending that rests on Seerow making a choice, you can't keep it a big secret to pull out of nowhere. That totally undermines the story and characters we got attached to over the course of over 50 books.
The way I see it, you would need to introduce Seerow and this situation earlier, perhaps even start with it. And then, throughout the "what if," you would need to return to the reality to sort of touch base with the core conflict. You would need to show reasons why Seerow might even still choose to give the Yeerks technology. Then at the end when he makes the decision, that decision effectively carries the weight of the story.
Basically, the whole series would need drastic changes, and I still probably wouldn't have liked it as much as what KAA/Grant gave us.
Just my opinion, of course. I am in the minority that liked the ending--it had its problems, but for the most part I liked it.
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ngl, personally I would have hated an ending like that. That falls under the "it was all a dream" type of scenario, which may have once been cool and original, but these days it's often a cop-out. Basically it renders the entire story pointless. All the pain and suffering our main characters went through? Oh, well, let's say it never happened! If you're going to have an ending that rests on Seerow making a choice, you can't keep it a big secret to pull out of nowhere. That totally undermines the story and characters we got attached to over the course of over 50 books.
The way I see it, you would need to introduce Seerow and this situation earlier, perhaps even start with it. And then, throughout the "what if," you would need to return to the reality to sort of touch base with the core conflict. You would need to show reasons why Seerow might even still choose to give the Yeerks technology. Then at the end when he makes the decision, that decision effectively carries the weight of the story.
Basically, the whole series would need drastic changes, and I still probably wouldn't have liked it as much as what KAA/Grant gave us.
Just my opinion, of course. I am in the minority that liked the ending--it had its problems, but for the most part I liked it.
I am pretty sure that a lot of people like the ending the way that it is. So I wouldn't consider liking the current ending better than any other as being a minority.
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Greetings everybody, Johnny has returned. I want to apologize for my absence in this forum I was recently admitted to the hospital for a blood transfusion. There is no need to show alarm or ask if I am ok this is a standard for a previous condition. Now that is out of the way I have read previous posts and I wish to reply to them.
I read that some of you believe that my intro to this ending disrespects the author Applegate. That was NOT my intention at all I have utmost respect for Applegate and I love this series. I admit that a second reading of my intro shows the error I made and I want to formally apologize to ALL who were offended. At the time of writing it I was extremely excited and did not over-analize it and proof-read it like I should have. So again I wish to apologize I ment NO dis-respect to anybody.
I am pleased with some of your theories that you guys have made and I ask that you continue to do so.
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I don't think I like that idea. Russian, I don't think Rachel would have rage issues. she likes excitement, and would hopefully find something exciting to do. Maze, I'm quite certain liking the ending puts people in an overall minority, though maybe not on this particular board.
Terenia said life isn't like those books that try to tie everything up in a pretty bow. I do realise some things are a mystery, but that doesn't mean you can't give mention to things and answer possible questions. Some things we may just never know, like whether or not Rachel killed David and what happened to Alloran when he returned. But other things could definitely have been elaborated on.
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Hello everybody.
I have came upon another theory I want you to consider. The Ellimist showed Seerow a POSSIBLE future if Yeerks were given spaceflight technology. What if Seerow GAVE the Yeerks the technology, BUT, kept an eye on them? What if he "policed" their actions, allowing them to travel the stars, BUT, if the Yeerks tried to invade another system they would be wiped out? What if Seerow negotiated with the Yeerks told them they could travel the stars, BUT, never launch an invasion against ANY species?
Remember, The choice Serrow made is NOT revealed. EVERYTHING is POSSIBLE.
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Hello everybody.
I have came upon another theory I want you to consider. The Ellimist showed Seerow a POSSIBLE future if Yeerks were given spaceflight technology. What if Seerow GAVE the Yeerks the technology, BUT, kept an eye on them? What if he "policed" their actions, allowing them to travel the stars, BUT, if the Yeerks tried to invade another system they would be wiped out? What if Seerow negotiated with the Yeerks told them they could travel the stars, BUT, never launch an invasion against ANY species?
Remember, The choice Serrow made is NOT revealed. EVERYTHING is POSSIBLE.
Seerow's choice was to share technology with another primitive species. So yes, it is revealed. And it backfired. Badly. Which is why they named an entire universal Andalite law after him.
Besides, even if he did make a pact with the Yeerks early on, he'd be in no place to do anything about. Read the start of Hork-Bajir Chronicles. He was shipped off once everything went to hell with the Yeerks. The Andalites put him there so that he'd be out of the way when it came time to do what was necessary.
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I dunno, I'm still not really for the idea of the whole series "maybe" being a possible choice or a dream or whatever...besides, how could the Andalites police an entire race that exponentially reproduces, and not have the same kind of uprising that happened on the Yeerk homeworld somewhere along the line? It didn't sound like the Andalites had that many forces, from the way the series described them being spread thin.
And would the Andalites allow all of the Yeerks off their homeworld, or just a few? How would those few be chosen? How would they deal with anyone who was left behind, most of whom might be aware of being left out and feeling a bit bitter about it, and uprising on the homeworld?
I just think it has too many variables. No offense or anything, I just liked the way it ended as is, and I think having a nebulous ending with lots of possible futures is too haphazard. Also it's sort of been done in the series already, with Jake's unanswered choice about saving Cassie or saving the planet in #41, and it's explicitly dealt with in Megamorphs: Back to Before, when Jake is given a choice to go back and never become an Animorph. We saw how well THAT turned out, it was an interesting experiment but I think it would've been overkill to end the whole series with another "you must choose" scenario.
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I dunno, I'm still not really for the idea of the whole series "maybe" being a possible choice or a dream or whatever...besides, how could the Andalites police an entire race that exponentially reproduces, and not have the same kind of uprising that happened on the Yeerk homeworld somewhere along the line? It didn't sound like the Andalites had that many forces, from the way the series described them being spread thin.
And would the Andalites allow all of the Yeerks off their homeworld, or just a few? How would those few be chosen? How would they deal with anyone who was left behind, most of whom might be aware of being left out and feeling a bit bitter about it, and uprising on the homeworld?
I just think it has too many variables. No offense or anything, I just liked the way it ended as is, and I think having a nebulous ending with lots of possible futures is too haphazard. Also it's sort of been done in the series already, with Jake's unanswered choice about saving Cassie or saving the planet in #41, and it's explicitly dealt with in Megamorphs: Back to Before, when Jake is given a choice to go back and never become an Animorph. We saw how well THAT turned out, it was an interesting experiment but I think it would've been overkill to end the whole series with another "you must choose" scenario.
That's what we have alternamorphs for :)
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That's what we have alternamorphs for :)
Yeah, what she said!
Sorry Johnny...
I have to admit, though, that idea I mentioned about everything looping all over again was sort of taken from another long, involved, violent and weird series I've read...but I can't reveal which one, it'd be a huge spoiler for the ending of that series!
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That's what we have alternamorphs for :)
Yeah, what she said!
Sorry Johnny...
I have to admit, though, that idea I mentioned about everything looping all over again was sort of taken from another long, involved, violent and weird series I've read...but I can't reveal which one, it'd be a huge spoiler for the ending of that series!
Was it Garfield? wait don't tell me, I don't want to spoil the ending, last sundays strip really brought things to a new level for that rascally feline
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Hello everybody
Well I appreciate your honesty. Do not worry I am NOT offended I really like hearin what other people think about my ending. I admit it is NOT well researched, BUT, you must realize that the idea just "popped" into my head. I also admit it has A LOT of variables, but, I am the type of person that likes endings with variables. I may be an adult, BUT, I have a very active imagination so this ending allows me to use it. I just wanted other people to use their imagination as well. Please continue with your comments, BUT, I would like to hear theories about it as well.
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That's what we have alternamorphs for :)
Yeah, what she said!
Sorry Johnny...
I have to admit, though, that idea I mentioned about everything looping all over again was sort of taken from another long, involved, violent and weird series I've read...but I can't reveal which one, it'd be a huge spoiler for the ending of that series!
Was it Garfield? wait don't tell me, I don't want to spoil the ending, last sundays strip really brought things to a new level for that rascally feline
Ah, but I cannot tell you. ;D
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Hello everybody
I would like for everybody to consider and discuss a theory that hit me. Would the absence of Tobias affect the other four? Jake and Rachel would still be cousins. Jake and Marco would still be best friends. Rachel and Cassie would still be best friends. Would Jake and Cassie be together though? With the absence of Tobias would Rachel and Marco get together? Please tell me what you people think?
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Megamorphs 4 answers those questions