Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Yarin on September 12, 2009, 06:38:20 PM
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List your reasons why it sucked
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i didn't particularly like it, but i wouldn't say it sucked.
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Don't we already have a thread for the TV show?
Let's see. I'll put it in list form, off the top of my head.
1) Battle morphs were wrong. Horse for Cassie, wolf for Marco, and lion for Rachel. Compared to that, Jake and Tobias being the wrong kind of tiger and hawk respectfully can be overlooked. Also, there were no battles. Just the Animorpsh chasing people around in morph. Not to mention that they morphed and demorphed too often in dangerous places.
2) Aliens were crappy. Visser Three and Ax spent most of their time in Human form, and this is especially noticable in V3's case when he's in the presence of only controllers, or on his blade ship. Hork-Bajir didn't look real.
3) Idiot plots. Like in the episode where Erik makes his appearance, and says the Yeerks want to use Chee hologram technology for evil. Like the Yeerks don't have their own hologram technology? And why would an item created by Pamelites be harmful to chee? also, the Yeerk in phone episode. Infestation would have to be instant for that to work. A Yeerk can't get from outer ear to brain in an instant.
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Eh, I think most of the problems with it were simply factors of not having a big enough special effects budget, not being able to get/train the right animals for morphs, and being constrained by the half-hour time slot. And I can't bring myself to criticize it based on any of those factors; I mean, come on, they did their best. And almost all of the show's problems can be traced back to those three things.
I guess there were only two things that pissed me off about the show:
1. The changing of irrelevant details for no other reason than to be different
-Jeremy Jason McCole ---> Jason John McCole
-Maple and Ginger instant oatmeal ---> Maple instant oatmeal
-"I'd like a happy meal, with extra happy." ---> "I'd like a cheese burger, hold the cheese."
Don't know why those things ticked me off, since they're pretty irrelevant, but for some reason they did. I guess I didn't see any reason for them not to stick to canon.
2. Misportrayal of the characters
-Rachel's actor was terrible. She talked brave, and everyone around her said she was brave, but she did not act brave
-Tobias's family life got downplayed, which in my opinion means that the show missed the entire point of him being a hawk; it wasn't an accident, or something that happened because he liked to fly, it was to escape his sucky life as a human
-Ax's humor got played up, and his warrior/honorable characteristics got played way down
Jake, Marco, and Cassie were all pretty good portrayals, but even they all acted out of character sometimes.
I just watched the show pretty recently, so all this stuff was already running through my mind. To tell the truth, the show actually wasn't as bad as I'd remembered it being. Maybe I was more nitpicky as a kid, lol.
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I realise there were limitations, but if they couldn't do better than they shouldn't have tried. It needed to be animated, and it needed a 1 hour timeslot. Also, Nick was a bad place for it to begin with.
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yeah there is a thread for this show but i just wanted to get to 100 karma
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Lol at least you're honest
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personally i think there are too many extra topics, when we could just resucitate old topics instead of starting new ones. Think of how many 'andalite evolution/Andalite physiognomy topics there are?
What is Karma anyway?
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it's an exaggerated, deflated way to gauge your self-worth
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personally i think there are too many extra topics, when we could just resucitate old topics instead of starting new ones. Think of how many 'andalite evolution/Andalite physiognomy topics there are?
What is Karma anyway?
pointless to some, more important to others.
give it to somebody (by applauding them) when they make a good post or do something nice.
smite them if they tick you off in a post or make inappropriate comments.
you get +1 karma for making threads, +2 during RAF parties.
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Did I abuse that privalage by making this thread?
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you only abuse it if you make a thread for the sake of purely gaining karma.
the topic wasn't duplicating another existing one, as far as i know, and it had some merit..
..i'd say if you're iffy about it, don't make it. otherwise you're fine.
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but yeah, if karma is about people rating you (ie how nice vs evil you are) then why should creating a new topic be good for karma? I mean that new topic could be 'i am evil and like to slay puppies' it also makes it harder to find old interesting posts if people create new topics left right and centre.
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you mean like all the counting threads in the bored board?
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Yup, but here as well, i had to read over 25 pages to animorphs but a lot of the topics are every similar so it takes ages to find the topic you're after, and you know the topic you're after is definitly out there-in the long history of RAF it is likely someone has thought of this earlier.
Or we could have a search function that enables people to find the topic they are after so they don't have to create a new topic.
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To get back on topic here, lack of budget and bad casting was the bulk of the problem. Not that all of the actors were bad, but they were way too old. In the books they started the war at 13. In the show those actors all looked like they drove themselves to work. The aliens looked like amaturish muppets on sticks and the dracon beams were flashlights with scopes. It just couldn't be taken seriously. And as was mentioned before important details were cut out, and stupid ones were added. An animated show or a series of movies really would have been the way to go.
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Or we could have a search function that enables people to find the topic they are after so they don't have to create a new topic.
it's not too hard to find old threads. (http://animorphsforum.com/forum/Themes/default/images/filter.gif) (http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php?action=search;advanced)
and if you use the search function while viewing a section of the forum, it will search the thread(s) inside of it.
our current search function is sufficient.
the problem is when people don't USE it when they make a new thread; some don't bother checking first.
but yeah, if karma is about people rating you (ie how nice vs evil you are) then why should creating a new topic be good for karma? I mean that new topic could be 'i am evil and like to slay puppies' it also makes it harder to find old interesting posts if people create new topics left right and centre.
well, but typically that wouldn't be the case.
when making a good topic, the member would be contributing to the forum in a positive manner.
if they made something as you said (i am evil and like to slay puppies), i'm positive they'd be smited for it, taking back that karma given to them for the thread.
there's always people making pointless threads in RAF parties, and i don't agree with them at all times, but we're supposed to be having fun.
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To get back on topic here, lack of budget and bad casting was the bulk of the problem. Not that all of the actors were bad, but they were way too old. In the books they started the war at 13. In the show those actors all looked like they drove themselves to work. The aliens looked like amaturish muppets on sticks and the dracon beams were flashlights with scopes. It just couldn't be taken seriously. And as was mentioned before important details were cut out, and stupid ones were added. An animated show or a series of movies really would have been the way to go.
I LOL'ed at your post! But you're so right...
I always thought the show should have been on Sci Fi or made into movies like Harry Potter. But if it became a commercial success as a movie series it would probably lose a lot of the good stuff...
Would it even be possible for them to try at another tv show with better... everything? I mean, there's like, a million different versions of A Christmas Carol, for example. They should try again! The series is so great, missing an opportunity with all the advancements in CGI nowadays would be such a waste!
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They should try again, with a better budget and on the Sci Fi network.
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Would it even be possible for them to try at another tv show with better... everything? I mean, there's like, a million different versions of A Christmas Carol, for example. They should try again! The series is so great, missing an opportunity with all the advancements in CGI nowadays would be such a waste!
I don't see why they don't try. I mean they "remade" TMNT cartoon into the 2003 varitation, which I'm told, is closer to the Mirage comic books that TMNT first appeared. And the '80s cartoons weren't a flop, like the Nick Animorphs was -- though that live action television series (where Venus was introduced) was. . . .
I hope I made my point, there.
They should try again, with a better budget and on the Sci Fi network.
I agree.
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The show just wasnt made in the right time zone. Also the actors didnt portray the characters well or ANYTHING. No fights when in the books there were A LOT. No real time where the Andalites were in there normal demorphed state. It was generally an all right show
BUT it also sucked cuz dude lets face it. I wasnt in it rofl
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Yeah I'm sure it would have been loads better lol! :)
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What I didn't like about the show was morphing in CLOTHES. I mean, over-clothes, not leotards or whatever. That made me supremely angry. I mean, come on! Andalites don't wear clothes, so why would it morph with them? Just something I thought I'd throw in.
And regarding the whole Karma debate, I choose not to actively seek Karma. Hey, I want to contribute as much as I can to the Animorphs community, but not through pointless topic posts. ;)
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Oh, and I feel the same way about the Harry Potter movies 4 up. The only positive things about them was Clemence Posey's swimsuit. Whoop!
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I never minded the clothing thing. I file that under acceptable break from reality. Though if they wore tight suits when in action, it would have been better. Then you have to wonder if they would have allowed Cassie and Rachel to be in skin tight attire.
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i think that they should do a remake now, and like make the storyline in our generation, have fans act in it. They need to have the personalities perfected, they need the special graphics, and they really need to get the morphing, i mean, c'mon Jake's tiger morph was just sad in the tv show.
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Besides the obvious budget problems, because the show was on a kid's network, they had to censor a lot of stuff that's in the books that is considered "questionable" or risky to show kids. The lack of leotards/morphing outfits is probably part of this. They clearly couldn't show any actual violence either, and definitely couldn't show the amount and kind of violence depicted in the books...and a lot of the psychological stuff was just left out and replaced with lighter plots and the Animorphs appearing "happier" in general.
Basically if the books were accurately translated to television, the series would not be appropriate for a children's network. They played it very, very safe with the show. But putting the show on Sci-Fi or some channel like that would not have been as successful at the time because they'd be missing their main audience.
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Meh, I didn't think it sucked, but I had an issue with the absolute no combat scenes at all. What is this Dalaran? (WoW reference)
Anyways, the actors looked the part, and in some cases were doing well. Shawn Ashmore did do a pretty good job as Jake, as did Boris C as Marco. Christopher Ralph was good as Tobias, but we rarely saw him.
But the things that bugged me most was
Visser Three being in human morph 8 times outta 10, the dracon flashlights...I mean, c'mon...but the thing that bugged me most was how they found Ax, and after they find him, Rachel just appears out of complete nowhere (literally) and is introduced.
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I never minded the clothing thing. I file that under acceptable break from reality. Though if they wore tight suits when in action, it would have been better. Then you have to wonder if they would have allowed Cassie and Rachel to be in skin tight attire.
morphing in clothes was an acceptable break from reality. marco not being able to morph the security guard because the watch was constricting his arm was not.
visser three saying "it was foolish of you to come in human morphs" while in human morph himself. when he had rachel captured he said "aw is my form disturbing to you" and then morphing to human... i get the whole budget thing, but the way they worked it into the plot was horrible. i mean, visser 3 is chasing after the animorphs, comes to a locked door, demorphs to andalite, tailblades through it, and the remorphs to human before coming out!
the biggest thing to piss me off however was the yeerks that didnt need kandrona. through the series, they are able to rely on waiting 3 days to test if someone is a controller. even if they destroyed all those yeerks, the possibility of them breeding more would make the 3 day test impossible, which would have been a pretty big problem if the series had progressed.
i didnt mint the different battle morphs so much, lions are a lot easier to train than bears, but cassies was a horse? really?
the andalite disk, which was keyed to "a relative of elfangor's DNA" was able to change tobias from hawk to human. it looked pretty simple too, weird how ax wouldnt know that andalites have such a technology. also, it made no sense that it could only be used once, whereas when the elimmist did, it was an obvious one time favor.
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All these reasons are wrong the reason the tv show sucked is because.....
They piloted one of the spaceships with a DJ deck :facepalm:
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I remember that episode where Visser three hacked through a door, then rushed out in Human morph. I mean for God's sake, what do you plan to do to them in that? And the need for Kandrona is supposed to be the biggest weakness of the yeerks. That's their Achilles heel, for crying out loud.
Though I didn't actually see those episodes, so I don't have much alse to say about that.
I already mentioned the Yeerk-in-phone thing, right? If they tried that in the books, the first person would just yank the thing out and freak. Infestation is not instentaneous.
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haha i find it so weird that i loved the show so much as a kid, even though i noticed all the difference back then...i guess i was just too excited to have animorphs on tv that i turned a blind eye to the bad things lol
i do remember hating the andalites so much..those puppets or whatever, they looked so awkward or clunky...compared to how graceful they're supposed to be lol
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I loved it at first too, because I was wild about Animorphs. But it just didn't hold my attention. After a few episodes I would rather do the supper cruise with my family, which is what we did during summer on Friday nights at the cabin we went to on the weekends. It wasn't worth sacrificing the supper cruise on the pontoon boat.
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I didn't have cable when the TV show was aired. I couldn't get past the 3rd episode. The moment V3 took 5 minutes to hack through a metal door in Andalite form and then morphed to human to run after the Animorphs, and when the Animorphs morphed BUTTERFLIES to escape; and V3 just stared at the BUTTERFLIES and screamed, "Noooo!" instead of frying them with a dracon.
That scene. After that scene. I deleted every Ani episode I downloaded and swore off the TV series.
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Hacking through the middle of the door, no less.
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Yeah, I mean c'mon, how long does it take for and Andalite to cut down a door? 5 seconds? 10? 2?
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that butterfly scene is one of the moments that is like burned into my memory haha
i remember being a little kid and still laughing at how long it took Visser Three to cut down the door and then him stepping out as a human
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Two seconds. One to destroy the knob area, and another to kick it open.
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Where's an Andalite? We need to ask! lol
I hated that fact that in one episode, the Ellimist came and Tobias was back in human form and Rachel was like "Tobias....." and everyone acted like "So anyways..." lol I was like dude, WTF, that's your friend!
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I think the show would have been better of as an animated show back in those days. They already knew they budget was low. If it was animated they could have done more. The actors could have been the same . i mean they could be voice actors. Plus teh Andalites and teh other aliens would have looked a lot better. no puppets
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I think the show would have been better of as an animated show back in those days. They already knew they budget was low. If it was animated they could have done more. The actors could have been the same . i mean they could be voice actors. Plus teh Andalites and teh other aliens would have looked a lot better. no puppets
I concur.
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The things that got me the most:
*As stated, Ax and Visser 3 in human form a lot more than their own form.
*Ax was a lot more comical than he should have been.
*Were the andalites wearing angora sweaters?
*Andalite arm wrestling. It looked more like a playground fight than a battle to the death for the sake of honor.
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omg that Andalite fight was it for me. What should have been epic because Harry Potter sock puppet theater.
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I thank God I didn't get to the arm wrestling.
Yeah, the actors did an alright job of acting, but their Tobias was WAY to esoteric. When he was part of the group, he was a lot more open. Sure he was still shut in, but he was more open with them than anyone. He was never ashamed to morph in front of the others, and when they first met, they already knew each other.
The TV show completely re-wrote Tobias's character, it pissed me off so much because I liked Tobias the most. Then Nickelodian ****ed his character up.
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Yeah, the actors did an alright job of acting, but their Tobias was WAY to esoteric.
that word...I do not think it means what you think it means
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Okay, Introverted, is that better? I was actually looking for Introverted originally, but couldn't think of it, so I said Esoteric instead.
Esoteric is close enough, what do you think it means?
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Esoteric means like close, protected, obscure knowledge. Like stuff that a very select group of people know.
I've never heard it used as "introverted" before.
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Esoteric is also a personality trait.
Same basic meaning: close, protected, and obscure; except in the field of one's interaction with society.
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I really don't think that's what it means. But I can't picture another word that means what you're thinking of, so you might be right.
Enigmatic, maybe? idk
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Aren't we getting a wee bit off-topic?
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Yeah, we are. The show sucks.
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^ lmao wow i think that was the quickest way back to on-topic that i've ever seen :D