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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: esplin on July 12, 2009, 09:15:26 AM
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What do you guys think the animorphs would be life if they were about 3 years older at the start of the war?
Think there would be more sex drugs or violence?
Basically discuss what you think the series would be like if it was intended for more mature readers.
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They would probably be less naive, and there would likely be more open romance. Not sure about drugs. I don't see how things could get much more violent. KA had the violence part down pretty well, I think.
Having one or more members take up something light during the later years of the war wouldn't be too out of place, if they started out a bit older. Like Marco taking up smoking.
I don't think I'd mind if they were older, but since I know I'd tone things down if I was put in charge of a reimagining of the series, I'd likely stick to them starting out as they were.
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Mm. Tobias strikes me as the sort who might have eventually ended up doing drugs if he hadn't become an Animorph, so if three years had gone by without friends in his life he may well have turned to drugs.
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Heck, his life may have ended via suicide. Really, becomeing an Animorph was the best thing to ever happen to him. It gave him a purpose in life, and close friends. Though in the end Rachel dies, and he separates himself from everything else good in his life. His friendship with Jake is shattered, and he apparently doesn't feel like going with Ax or moving in with his mother.
If Tobias actually got his Human body back after book 13, instead of being a morph capable hawk, then I could definitely see him going to drugs. But the hawk thing gets in the way of that.
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I always felt that they were older than what they were, there personalities didn't seem to match there age.
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Tobias would have been gay
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Then I guess Marco would be with Rachel. That would lose a lot of the drama with Rachel, though. "Do I want to stay with Tobias, or find someone who doesn't have a time limit when he's Human?"
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I know I'm like the only one, but to be totally honest I hated Rachel and Tobias.
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It would probably make more since that if one of the guys would be left out, that it would be Tobias.
Though I am not an anti Rachel/Tobias person.
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I never liked Tobias, Rachel could have done better.
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Think, also, how much better planned their missions would've been... and how much less free time they'd've had to carry out those same plans. :o
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I liked Rachel and Tobias more than Jake and Cassie. There relationship was much more interesting and they openly talked about it more too.
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The Jake and Cassie one had much less drama, so not much was done with it. Besides the kiss in 26, Cassie leaving Jake at the end, and maybe some passing mention of other kissing in between those times.
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There is that, certainly.
As a tyke reading the books, I loved Rachel and Tobias as characters, but not as a relationship.
I treated the Cassie/Jake situation as nonexistant, due to its infrequent plot use.
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Their age never bothered me, but I definitely think that if they made an Animorphs movie (or new TV show) then they should make the characters 16 or over so that they could include more mature situations that might be considered inappropriate for 13 year olds (eg. graphic violence, drugs, mature romance, etc.)
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I haaated R/T too. So so much. :P
I like the idea of Tobias being gay in a more mature version...something to further ostracize him from everyone...
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honestly, i always pictured them older than 13.
tobias would have possibly turned to drugs of some sort, too.
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Tobias being gay would be stupid. Totally ignoring the books didn't really work for the TV show, I don't know why we would want them to do it again.
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omg ~*~*~R/T OTP~*~*~
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Tobias being gay would be stupid. Totally ignoring the books didn't really work for the TV show, I don't know why we would want them to do it again.
They made him gay in the TV show?!
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Tobias being gay would be stupid. Totally ignoring the books didn't really work for the TV show, I don't know why we would want them to do it again.
They made him gay in the TV show?!
No, they didn't. What I mean is they didn't follow the books and the show sucked. Making Tobias gay in the movie would have the same effect.
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i think that if the series were geared more towards a mature audience there would have been a lot more death. I feel like halfway through the series Rachel would have died and had to have been replaced by somebody (possibly even melissa) then another little while later probably marco would die (saving his mother) and be replaced by yet another person (possibly the newly freed tom even)
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i think that if the series were geared more towards a mature audience there would have been a lot more death. I feel like halfway through the series Rachel would have died and had to have been replaced by somebody (possibly even melissa) then another little while later probably marco would die (saving his mother) and be replaced by yet another person (possibly the newly freed tom even)
That's really interesting. *ponders*
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Tobias as gay? Oh man, no way. The drugs thing is plausible though. And I too always considered them to be 14+ from the start. Jake's maturity at that age seemed out of place..
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Yeah, they even mentioned how he seems like hes older.
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I think Cassie and Jake probably would've been more serious about their relationship.
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Hopefully more open. Relationships can be interesting without drama.
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I'd also expect them to make more plans, as well as be less headstrong as to the moral qualms. The entire rush-in attitude, acquiring morphs as they go would be more adverted, and I'd think they would go on to the offensive sooner.
As far as drugs... I don't see that happening, even if they were older/mature. Too goal oriented. Maybe try something after something really stressful, but I don't see it lasting. If something goes down and they get caught up while high, or even drunk... not too good. I especially don't see Jake doing anything, but Marco might try smoking normal cigarettes.
Mature love is more likely, and as far as violence, I don't see much in the way of more, just better described/more detailed. Such things as when Erek reprogrammed himself and went on a rampage would be described instead of calmly ignored.
I don't think Tobias is gay. It was never mentioned in the books; not even hinted on. I don't know where that thought keeps coming from.
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I just have a feeling with that boy
my gaydar is usually pretty strong, though I don't know if its settings apply on someone who is fictional
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I dont know why people think it either, he isnt dumbledor after all ;]
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::) @ gay Tobias. It's as ridiculous as Marco/Ax.
I could see Jake having a drinking problem, Rachel and Tobias having sex, and David pursuing Rachel on darker terms.
I couldn't see Marco getting involved with drugs because I think his head's screwed on tight, but a lot of leaders had drinking problems and it in this hypothetical sense it could've been Jake's "escape."
Rachel and Tobias were crazy about each other and it's a human thing. That opens up a lot of possibilities such as Tobias liking it because it's a human thing or NOT liking it because he loses control.
As for David, he and Rachel did have a personal thing. She threatened his family, he spied on her in the shower. You draw your own conclusions.
It's a shame that the vast majority of Animorphs fanfiction consists of overly elaborate AU rewrites/post-54 stories and OOC slashfic, because these are some great ideas.
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lol if you think they are so great then write them
AND I HAPPEN TO LIKE MARCO/AX >:(
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You must've gone nuts reading #35 then, huh?
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is that the one where ax sat on marco's lap
I think I skipped that one
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I don't remember Ax ever sitting on Marco's lap, or David spying on Rachel in the shower.
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I've got nothing on the Marco/Ax lap sitting thingy, the only Marco/Ax related anything I can really recall was them dancing together in the TV show and that wasn't romantic. Anyway the David watching Rachel in the shower thing is probably when Rachel chose not to shower for, what she claims is the first time in her life out of fear that David would in fact be watching her, so he didn't watch her but she was worried he would and given David's character I'm far from convinced that he wouldn't have. :P
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omg David/Rachel
how have I not shipped this before
Tobias/Taylor is my OTP hahahahaha
I really like the idea of that relationship being expanded upon.
I would also like to see a more mature Cassie who didn't get so fussed about morphing humans and such...but I dunno, that might defeat the whole point of her character...
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Which some people wouldnt mind..
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Lol, Liz. I'm not the only person who had that cross my mind. Tobias/Taylor. Though I wouldn't call it OTP.
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I don't remember Ax ever sitting on Marco's lap, or David spying on Rachel in the shower.
In #35 Ax sits on Marco's lap when they are trying to force William Roger Tennant to go nuts at a banquet. Marco and Ax go to sit down and there's only one seat so Marco makes him sit down on his lap to keep Ax out of trouble.
The shower thing is from #22. After Rachel talked to her sister Jordan, David starts speaking to her in morph (most likely an insect in the room with her) and ends by telling her to enjoy her shower (which she decides to skip).
I can't see Tobias or any of the others being gay. I could maybe see some of them doing drugs or drinking, but I still wouldn't like it. Jake might have had a lot on his shoulders, but he knew the others relied upon him and he wouldn't want to risk getting the others hurt by compromising his judgement with drugs. Maybe if he'd stayed human Tobias might have, but as a hawk I don't see it happening.
I definitely think Rachel and Tobias should have been more intimate. Tobias might be shy but Rachel is much more confident. Cassie/Jake might have taken longer, but I think that would still have turned into something more later on.
Marco was too level-headed to go for drugs, but as a vice perhaps he'd resort to sleeping around? He's often portrayed as a failing ladies man, but in a more mature environment maybe that would have changed.
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One thing about the drugs, though, is that morphing would likely get rid of all negatuve effects. So unless something happened while one of them happened to be high at the time, it would be ok once that person morphed.
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One thing about the drugs, though, is that morphing would likely get rid of all negatuve effects. So unless something happened while one of them happened to be high at the time, it would be ok once that person morphed.
Not necessarily. This could warrant a topic of its own.
If morphing doesn't change your blood, which is how the yeerks discovered their identities, certain drugs would remain in their systems even if they did morph. I know for certain that alcohol remains in your bloodstream (BAC) and there are probably other drugs that alter your blood as well.
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Hmmmm, interesting.
Wouldnt the blood of person be different then the blood of whatever animal so it would have to change when you morph right?
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Hmmmm, interesting.
Wouldnt the blood of person be different then the blood of whatever animal so it would have to change when you morph right?
That's true. When they tested the blood, they weren't basing it on any substance in it, but rather their DNA. It's stated in the books that they always have their DNA, and of all their morphs, in their cells at all times.
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We were just discussing on LJ how Rachel might have used drugs if she'd survived. And someone posted a fanfic link.
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I don't think that Rachel would've done drugs. I read that one fanfic ages ago and thought it was OOC and dumb.
People forget that Rachel had two sides to her character until the series was ghostwritten. ::)
Seriously, she's hot, super-smart AND a top student (because sometimes they don't go hand in hand), fashionable, and confident. She doesn't need to do drugs, she's not weak.
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I'm not about to contradict the "live drug-free" bandwagon, but idk blanket statements like that just seem a little...too exclusive, you know what I mean? Not all drugs destroy lives, and not all drugs leave you a lesser person than you started, either.
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...what if one of the girls was lesbian? people start making this about WHAT IF ____ WERE GAY, and they forget girls can be gay too. just wondering.
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I think Queenofsheba/Farrell's girl from another forum speculated that Cassie was a lesbian.
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Evidence for that?
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...what if one of the girls was lesbian? people start making this about WHAT IF ____ WERE GAY, and they forget girls can be gay too. just wondering.
no because that reminds me of a film that has a character who is *instert gender/sterotype/race* and the film only brings that up to say how it is *instert gender/sterotype/race* and nothing else.
much like how they had the Fat Spartan in Meet the Spartans...god that movie sucked..
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I don't see how someone could think either of the girls were lesbian. Cassie obviously liked Jake. You don't have to dress girly and wear makeup to be straight. So I don't understand where that could come from
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I don't see how someone could think either of the girls were lesbian. Cassie obviously liked Jake. You don't have to dress girly and wear makeup to be straight. So I don't understand where that could come from
It's fanfiction.
Where do you think Snape/Harry comes from? Or Draco/Grawp?
I always roll my eyes whenever someone says "the author should leave it to the fans!" or "that would open up so many doors for fanfiction!" because something like 85% of fanfiction is garbage.
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Yeah, like how she left the resolution of the cliffhanger up to the fans. And to my knowledge, most fanfic writers have Ax be alive.
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Er...I always felt they were older then they really were too. They seemed too mature for their age. Personally, I always thought they were in high school. But yeah, if the series had an older audience I could see that. Actually, I never realized how dark the series could be until I reread the books when I was older. :o
I remember I read this one fic on ff.net called Filler. It really summed up the whole age thing: "We’re supposed to be middle-school kids, but that gets kind of skewed sometimes.”
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her theory was that she liked Jake because he was sort of the closest thing that Rachel had to a brother... Queen ofsheba didn't say she was a raging lesbian, but that it was a posibility for her character.
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It's fanfiction.
Where do you think Snape/Harry comes from? Or Draco/Grawp?
I always roll my eyes whenever someone says "the author should leave it to the fans!" or "that would open up so many doors for fanfiction!" because something like 85% of fanfiction is garbage.
Draco and Gwap? Please tell me it does not exist...Rule 34 be damned!
In response to the BAC comment could you imagine morphing an insect with just even a little bit of booze in your system? I wonder how this would affect the morph...hmm.
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they seemed older at the beginning and then they got younger, like in book 1 jake says 'if we told people they would think we were on drugs' but drugs are never brought up again.
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It's fanfiction.
Where do you think Snape/Harry comes from? Or Draco/Grawp?
I always roll my eyes whenever someone says "the author should leave it to the fans!" or "that would open up so many doors for fanfiction!" because something like 85% of fanfiction is garbage.
Draco and Gwap? Please tell me it does not exist...Rule 34 be damned!
In response to the BAC comment could you imagine morphing an insect with just even a little bit of booze in your system? I wonder how this would affect the morph...hmm.
Oh it exists.
I checked using the FFN character filters one time thinking it wouldn't be there and it was.
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I Should also like to say that the active members of sinister"s forum were largely female were all for Rachel dying as they thought she wouldn't have been able to cope after the war and might've done drugs or whatever (Being so addicted to violence etc)... which is basically KA Applegates opinion as well since only sweet pacifist left wing Cassie was allowed to survive happily after the end... I think this is lame, if soldiers throughout history who enjoyed killing (apparently this is like 5 % of all men or something-similar to Korean Pearl's concept of type three Nadar) are capable of thriving after wars (my great grandfather was thought to be like this and he was a very happy successful man after WW1 and only drank to escape his wife's god awful food) then why should rachel be punished for her strength and bravery by dying because it is assumed that if you delight in the death of your enemies you must be unable to cope with peacetime life. in fact it should be the opposite, the 5% of soldiers who take righteous pleasure in the death of the enemy should thrive more successfully then their conscience ridden colleagues.
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It was a weak excuse and a contrived death, in a series that's well established for the main characters always surviving.
By the way, what was her excuse for getting Ax assimilated? What was accomplished by that, that couldn't be accomplished by the terrorists? The terrorists were continuing conflict, and I know Rachel would get in on that.
You want to give the message that what amounts to a true warrior can't cope in peacetime, but then you want to give the message that there will always be some conflict. But the warrior that likes to fight still has to die, even though peacetime won't last for very long. To me, it turns into a broken aesop.
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The death of every animorph but Cassie was basically death by theme.
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I've never read about death by theme. How does that work?
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I guess i sort of thought of it then... I guess I mean that Rachel died of the books moral mesage or theme (that war, even the most just war like a war against brain slugs who want to enslave humanity is wrong/awful and that people who enjoy this couldn't function in normal society)
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That makes her death even worse than before. Rachel died due to the author's personal views and agenda. I know some people say authors that listen too much to fans are selling out to the fanbase, and that she was trying to teach stuff, but is it really right to push your personal views on the fans like that?
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Not necessarily bad too have a theme…I happen to disagree with KA Applegates theme… but without a theme stories become pointless
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I was kinda annoyed when she said wars don't end joyfully. My response to that would be: What about the end of World War II? You know, there is a famous painting about that, shows a navy sailor kissing a nurse? That seems pretty happy to me. :-\
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Yeah. One of those wars didn't start a baby boom for nothing. We used it to get ourselves out of a recession, then we put an end to it. It was awesome.
Someone once said that there's no such thing as a good war, or a bad peace. However, it's not good to talk in absolutes.
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Exactly, there are always shades of gray. If it wasn't for the war, America would have found it much harder to get out of the Depression.
She could have said that end of war can also be sad, remembering the fallen or whatever, but to say that the side that wins does no celebrating at all is absurd. Also, she backed it up by saying life isn't a wrestling match or whatever, I doubt anyone thought of comparing war to that. Anyways, she was trying to prove a point, however, I don't think it was worth it.
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having said that, it would be ridiculous if in 3 years fighting an alien invasion, that nobody died.
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Yeah that's a good point, but it's just as ridiculous to make it right up until the end before having a death.
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Which is why as i said a few other times:
a cell system recruiting many people with a high death rate would be more realistic. In real life, the series may have started with Jake and co, but probably ended with a completely different set of people with perhaps one survivor.
for instance in the vietnam, death rates were so high that if went like this: Lee, Tuan and Nguyen (the only vietnamesish names i know i couldn't bring myself to say alice, bob and carol) join the vietcong, Lee dies and is replaced by Hua, Tuan dies and is replaced by Luu, Lee dies and is replaced by Cam, Nguyen dies and is replaced by Bian, Hua dies and is replaced by Thuong, Luu dies and is replaced by Ton, Cam dies and is replaced by Phan, Bian dies and is replaced by Duong... etc etc etc until by the end of it the people who knew Lee (and knew where Lee was buried more importantly) have long since died and the people who knew them have also long since died, so that the final team would have or knowing nothing in common with the originals.
Depressing isn't if you applied this to the animorphs.
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It's not rediculous for everyone to survive if you have a super cosmic being out there making sure there's always a way for you and your friends to survive.
And it's no less rediculous for everyone to survive for three years, then have someone die in the very last battle.
I've said before that if people died from time to time (not every book, but scattered around), then it would be realistic, and it would be fine. But not this.
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Exactly, I mean come on, they are not the Teen Titans, (the superhero team with the highest death rate). I can understand almost why Rachel died, but...other then that, it doesn't make much sense. Except that Tobias is the universe's whipping boy. :'(
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Yeah he was, that poor boy was cursed. The list of reasons he had to kill himself was so long that i was honestly surprised that he was still alive when Jake went to look for him for that final mission.
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What else would we like in an older audience: a more realistic portrayal of the practicalities of warfare as well as the old 'realistic portrayal of war is hell' such as employing a cell system, having characters research warfare rather than having a inborn genius (like Marco).
Rather than having 6 child heroes and the very unrealistic 'adults are useless' it would be more realistic to have a range of characters and ages and a higher death rate. it would be wise to have each cell either equally balanced (and therefore have the adult leading) or completely monogender, mono age (to avoid the adult men sending the 'little children and defenseless women' home because they think child warfare is wrong and women shouldn't be involved in combat (as in real life armies), so instead you would have all teen girl group of 6 and an adult woman group of 6, and a adult men group of 6 and a teen boy group of 6... to counteract the monotony, of 6 similar girls failing lacking the diversity of character that was the strength of the original animorphs was that each member complimented the group (the lancer, the big guy, the brain etc). you would actively recruit members from different cultures, educational backgrounds and personalites (a girl version of Marco, an adult version of Jake, an adult woman version of Tobias, an adult version of Rachel etc, a leader, a lancer, a big guy, a smart guy a chick one for each team). A good idea would be to discover which university students were controllers (engineers make especially good terrorists according to Al-Qaeda) and seek to kidnap and de-infest them rather than free the sweet little kid with down syndrome because you are sentimental. This team would work closely with Ax. Ax would be the linchpin of these cells: they would know as little of each other as possible but only know Ax. Another point going back to Leader, Lancer, Big Guy, Smart Guy, The Chick. is that the cells (like real life armies often) would specialise: the teenage girl group might be the chick (as well as having a leader, lancer, big guy, smart guy and the chick) would specialise in seeking out new recruits with useful potential and light reconaissance, the adult woman group might focus on logistics and more difficult aspects of reconaisssnce (lancer/smart guy), the teenage boys would be involved in active aggressive combat (the big guy) whilst the adult men would lead (leading/lancer) and so on... there are so many interesting ways to fight the yeerks...
think about the huge range of people who join the army in real life and how this enriches the armed forces rather than harms. But a more rational rather than emotional approach to warfare would be good.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AdultsAreUseless
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FourGirlEnsemble
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FiveManBand
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CommandRoster
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That sounds quite good. It could work well if they decided to go with the mostly independant groups working in other areas, while the original animorphs work in their area. As opposed to my idea of making each animorph a squad leader with five troops each. The only thing I like better about my idea, is with that it would be interesting to see how each squad acts, as an extention of each character.
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No its the same as your idea chad, you would want each squad to have atleast one original/longest serving member until they died. getting back to my tuan-lee-cam example.
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Oh, right. Ok.
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But you would still need to be careful that they didn't know too much about the other cells.
Some body please bump up 'religion and animorphs'!
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What's so interesting about religion and animorphs? I think it's already been established that KA thinks lowly of religion.
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How do you figure? I'm just curious where you got that impression.
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The Sharing has comparisons to religion, where they both put little "worms" in your head to get you on their side. Also with the way Visser 1 talked about religions and molding the sharing around their ideologies. Saying a bunch of stuff without really saying anything concrete.
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chad is right the world view that makes up the subtext of animorphs could be described as Politically Correct Secular Humanist... though I think of the sharing as being more of a cult like the scinetologists, raelians than a true religion. my father's university lecturer Anderson (this was the early 1950's) said that people became fascists or communists because they were inadequate and needed to belong to a group an anecdote that my father loved repeating, so i always thought of the sharing as being like fascism or communism: you think you are the special ones and to be accepted by this group you are willing to do any act of evil.
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I guess, but I never really picked up that kind of message. Oh well, I am bad at reading between the lines. :P
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I was bad at reading subtext too. I came here, and have been surprised at the new way of looking at the series. I have a whole new understanding. I may not like some of the things I learned, but I understand it better.
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Quite a few of the books on writing I own, make a case that if a story lacks subtext or theme then it is basically pointless, and furthermore unlikely to be entertaining/attract readers/be worth reading (however you describe a good story). For instance of the reasons Mary Sue stories are so awful is that they have no true theme-they are just wish fulfilment.
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That makes me feel a little sad, because of all the times I started writing stories (that I never finish), I never tried to make an underlying theme. I was never trying to teach aesops or give life lessons. I was just trying to entertain, period.
I mean, if I write a story, and people learn something by reading it, then great. That's fine. But that's not the main goal. It's mainly me publicising the kind of fantasy stories that I think about in my head, just to see if people other than me think they're cool.
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Something that occurred to me was that an older audience would probably appreciate more of a Marco-Rachel-Tobias love triangle
I know I would
Rachel/Tobias was and still is my OTP and is beautifully canon, but no one can deny that Marco and Rachel and chemistry and a lot of characters had touched upon that chemistry, perhaps even Marco and Rachel themselves.
It would definitely be an exploration of human relationships.
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That would be cool. We know sometimes she had doubts abotu going out with someone trapped in hawk form, that didn't seem overly inclined to go back. There could be a book where Marco and Rachel go to a movie separately, wind up sitting near to/next to each other, and wind up laughing together after the movie is over.
I don't see why not, especially dince KA wasn't planning on them getting together in the end, anyway.
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That makes me feel a little sad, because of all the times I started writing stories (that I never finish), I never tried to make an underlying theme. I was never trying to teach aesops or give life lessons. I was just trying to entertain, period.
I mean, if I write a story, and people learn something by reading it, then great. That's fine. But that's not the main goal. It's mainly me publicising the kind of fantasy stories that I think about in my head, just to see if people other than me think they're cool.
Not necessarily bad that you don't seek to teach an aesop. You could be subconsciously inserting a theme as you write: As people have said about 'a series of unfortunate events' and "Harry Potter" is that the author subconsciously inserts theme without being fully aware of it. Having said that, not every body would agree with me: My father says that the reason European literature is not as good as English literature (just his opinion not mine) is that authors like Voltaire overwhelm any semblance of realism in favour of hammering us with theme which results in literature which he describes as "silly", whilst English writers seek to tell a character driven story. However my counter argument is that the problem with Candide is not that it is theme driven, but rather that is so theme driven that it devolves into author tract and Voltaire wasn't really seeking to tell a story anyway but was attacking Leibniz. (okay bad example but you get the point)?
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Yeah, I get it. It could be good to find a medium between the two. Try to teach some lessons once in a while, but don't get anvilicious about it. Don't ruin the story for the sake of battering the fanbase with your views.
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moderation is probably the key here...I love Tv tropes don't you?
Where can I read your stuff chad it sounds nice.
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I do love it. So much. A couple of things I found recently are wholesome crossdresser and dropped a bridget on him. He/she is so pretty.
Probably the only things that are around anymore that I've written are here in the fiction section. Chronicles of an Andalite Spy is one. I did quite a few chapters on that. I also made one about Tobias mating with a hawk thta was almost finished, but I couldn't seem to do it. I forget the title.
I made a character fic about one I made for some RPGs at another board, but that was a long time ago. If you go to Zelda Universe, and look up posts by Chad (no 28), then you might find a fic called Boomer's Travels.
The other stuff has been lost and forgotten on older computers that were gotten rid of when we got new computers.
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You guys make somereally, really good points here.. Thanks for that :)
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Alright, I'm just going to say right now that I never saw Tobias as someone who would kill themselves just because life was too tough. Tobias always had that strength in him, it just took getting trapped as a bird to bring it out of him and allow him to discover his independance. But Tobias has always been looking out for himself, so I guess we can say that he was always a predator. Sure, Tobias was a really lonely kid, and he never knew love until he met Rachel--and, by some extension, Ax-- but...I don't know, I still don't see Tobias as the person who would resort to drug use and suicide--though, that doesn't mean that I'm saying people who use drugs or resort to suicide are weak (becasue they are not)--I just never saw Tobias as the sort of person.
I actually never thought about the Rachel-turning-to-drug-use theory. I remember the conversation she had with Jake about how she loved the war and thrived on battle, but I didn't think she would throw herself off a building or smoke up just because she got bored with life. Remember, the war ended on Earth, but there was still a lot of fronts on other worlds that Rachel would have most likely signed up for, had she lived. And come on people, she can morph, life for her would never get boring.
I disagree with the whole idea of recruiting more soldiers, because that's basically what the whole David Trilogy was about. I mean, they didn't know David and they suffered as a result of circumstance and poor judgement. Had they had more time to watch David they wouldn't have chosen him. What made the Animorphs work was that they were connected to each other in some way--except for Tobias, and that was clearly stated in book twenty. Imagine trying to recruit five or six or twenty other kids and adults that you know nothing about--each of whom are likely to be greedy, violent, or worse, Controllers , And the whole, scouting-out-human-controllers-and-waiting-three-days theory is just ludicous, because they wouldn't have had nearly enough time to watch x-number of people for three days. Ax was right when he said that the Animorphs were a gureilla group, not meant to become a large army. Besides, I think if they were to recruit more people the Yeerks would become more suspicious and stop believing that their enemies were really Andalite bandits--becasue, really, would an Andalite, known for arrogance and pride when it comes to technology, be willing to give technology to a primitive speices? No, adding on more members--at least, in the beginning--would have exposed the Animorphs.