Richard's Animorphs Forum
RAF Section => Suggestions / Feedback & Issues => Topic started by: Richard on January 25, 2009, 05:50:35 PM
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What do you think?
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100% nos :)
if you don't want people to hear it don't put it.
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definitely yes.
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As much as I want to say no and believe that people should be able to make their own choices, I'm going to have to go with yes. It's just not safe. Even if something bad hasn't happened yet, it certainly could.
However, I don't feel that their post count should have to be very high for them to see the general and life boards.
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As much as I want to say know and believe that people should be able to make their own choices, I'm going to have to go with yes. It's just not safe. Even if something bad hasn't happened yet, it certainly could.
However, I don't feel that their post count should have to be very high for them to see the general and life boards.
i totally agree with you on that one
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What kind of information exactly is this limit intended to prevent people from seeing? Just curious, because the only thing I can think of are pictures. :)
Either way, I don't think it's necessary.
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People post alot of IRL info about themselves in the life board.
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Hmm.. I don't really have a problem, so its a no from me.
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i think as long as we don't make the post count something ridiculously high (i'm thinking 20 or 30), i don't see why not.
all the lurkers/noobs won't see the thread, anybody that actually cares about the forum will.
don't make a big announcement about 'you need this many posts to view the thread', that'll just encourage spamming.
just let it remain hidden until they reach that point.
i'd feel safer.
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I don't really care. I think the best thing is to repeat to the younger members to not say to many things about themselves... Maybe tell them went they post a presentation thread.
To read the Life and General boards, you needa register. I think you even needa register to see there are Life and General boards! So no-member won't know anything... and usually people don't register to forum just to have informations about the members.
Now, you can't truth everybody here. Everybody can lie about his/her age, his/her life, everything about him/herself, on Internet! Some members can be pedophiles or Yeerks or... you just don't know!
So, young RAFians, be careful!
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Yea I think it would be cool to have a small post count limit, just so random people cant sign up just to lurk.
But I agree with dameg, people definately have to be careful with what kind of personal information they put on the site. I know this is home and we all feel safe here, but its still the internet. So putting up the post req on those boards will reduce the risk, but not eliminate it.
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No, there shouldn't be a limit. When I first joined, the main thing that kept me around was the Life board; if that hadn't been there, I probably would've moved on.
I feel like a limit would just discourage new members from staying; how are they supposed to feel accepted if they're locked out of the two most social boards on the forum?
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I def see your point tyler, we can discourage new members, but I think that would depend on how large the limit is, I'd say 10 posts would be good, just so the people with 0 posts arent able to go everywhere, and if they are animorphs fans im sure they'll make 10 posts before getting bored and leaving lol
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What I don't understand is why we are treating the post count like it's an age. Annna and Morfowt are both gods, and they're like 12-15 years old.
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No, there shouldn't be a limit. When I first joined, the main thing that kept me around was the Life board; if that hadn't been there, I probably would've moved on.
I feel like a limit would just discourage new members from staying; how are they supposed to feel accepted if they're locked out of the two most social boards on the forum?
still think a minimal post count would be nice.
if you like animorphs, i'm pretty sure that 10 posts wouldn't be too much of a challenge to obtain.
i mean, you need 10 to read the books, don't you? people post for that reason alone.
as for the second part, we're not going to put up a big sign saying 'only high-posting members can view this thread', we could just make it a nice surprise when they've posted enough times (and have become an actual member).
i don't think we should be posting anything that's too personal for this forum, but i think we deserve some privacy from lurkers etc.
just my 2ยข 8)
edit:
i noticed in the member list, there were only about 3 pages of users with 0< posts <10 and 8 pages of users with 0 posts.
that's a lot of lurkers :P
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I still disagree, I think ANY post limit is a bad idea.
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i'm thinking rather than the whole board, maybe just specific threads?
(post pictures of yourself comes to mind)
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Why though? If a person doesn't want their info to be out there, then just don't put it out there! It's that simple. Why are we trying to hide things that we WILLINGLY made EXTREMELY PUBLIC?
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i'm not arguing for the sake of myself.
i haven't put anything out there that i honestly care about.
i'm just speaking for the other 5 that voted 'yes'.
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I vote a very strong NO for this reason:
It will create a much stronger sense of security than actual security. The actual security is essentially non-existent, because it would be based on the assumption that postcount is equivalent to trustworthiness. This is crazy.
Look, I've earned the title "Sr. Member" with the attendant name-changing fun-and-games rights. The active members here have a rough idea of who I am from my ~300 posts, but posts cannot tell you these crucial facts: I am currently serving a life sentence for a burglary gone wrong. Estelore is a serial killer--on the loose. Faerie is not actually a faerie. And Richard is recruiting for a cult with designs to take over the world.
(Esty, Faerie, and Richard, please forgive me, mmkay? I don't really mean these things, I just had to make a point, see...)
There is nothing that would have revealed these things from our posts. Post count is nigh useless in judging the trustworthiness of people, even if people couldn't get around it by just spamming the boards.
To repeat what I said earlier: develop a policy for what you do and don't share. Kids, talk to your parents. It's OK, really. If in doubt, don't. Then stick to your policy. This is hard sometimes. I currently do not share my real name, even though that can be difficult in chat (and even harder in voice chat) when talking about myself.
Also, I encourage the few members under 13: don't reveal information that can be used to contact you off-line: street or mailing addresses, pictures, etc. on any website. Not just for your own safety, but for the legal safety of webmasters.
Finally, respect other's personal information. For example, I know the full name of one of the members who does not reveal that information in forum. I'm not going to share it, or tell you how I found it (other than to say that I was looking for something else at the time), or even tell you which member.
Actually, if you're tempted to ask me at all, you should use this chance to practice self control. If you fail and do ask me, expect me to shun you.
Anyway, sorry to be so dark, but this is important. I oppose post-count limits because they provide very little security and are much more dangerous in the false sense of security they do give.
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nice post.
i can see your point about the false sense of security.
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I'm not arguing against you goom, I'm arguing against your point.
And the other 6 voters who said "yes" need to realize that if you put something on the internet, be prepared to have it seen. If you're not comfortable with giving out your personal information, that is perfectly fine. And if you want to tell the world your age, gender, location, Social Security number, etc., then that's fine too, just be prepared for the consequences. The 6 "yes" voters aren't prepared for the consequences. Don't put a limit on new members just because you can't handle the responsibility of your internet connection.
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i swear i didn't see the 'general' part at the end of that.
life i can understand, but general?
*changes vote*
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hmm...no...mostly because of reasons other people have already said, but also because people who do share some personal information (like me), don't always just say it in the life and general board...so it doesn't completely hide the personal information from newbies...
i noticed in the member list, there were only about 3 pages of users with 0< posts <10 and 8 pages of users with 0 posts.
that's a lot of lurkers :P
they're not lurkers. a good majority, if not all, of them just came for the e-books.
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I vote 'yes', but with reservations.
1. I know it doesn't REALLY change the security.
2. I know the false-sense-of-security risk.
That being said, I see other reasons for it.
Say a n00b arrives, turns into an e-book reader. Doesn't really participate. He isn't contributing to the convo. Why let him know the convo even exists?
Say a newb arrives, maybe he'll actually post in the ANIMORPHS threads FIRST!!! Maybe we'll get that board to really LIVE, the way other boards do!!! Then, after he's committed a fair amount of time to showing us how he thinks, we'll let him know what our lives are like, and that we can empathise with him, too. He'll get a sorta'-reward just for thinking aloud, and we'll know him a bit better BEFORE he knows us. C'mon, you know you like having that little leg-up on other members, deep down in your heart-of-hearts. It nags you just a leeeetle bit that newbies can lurk forever and learn how your brain works before they even make an intro.
Then again, maybe I'm just paranoid.
Then again, since when have I EVER held back ANYTHING regarding the way my brain works?!
Eh. I still vote 'yes'. I think 20-30 posts is fair enough.
I also think that the Bored Board should ALWAYS be open to newbies, since it's a major culture-centre in RAF, and it's easy to meet people there. It shouldn't count for their posts, though, same as us. (Well, duh.)
There's my 1.5 cents. *shrug*
EDIT: Here's the other half-cent. Just a suggestion: Could we have a message that sends automatically to a member when he/she joins, warning very very very clearly that this is a PUBLIC forum, and that there IS potential for risk? Sure, everyone here has a brain, but not everyone USES their brain properly, y'know? And maybe have another warning-or-something that pops up every time a n00b accesses the intro-board? *shrug*
Worth mentioning, I suppose.
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A 10 post count limit with the boards hidden (not saying YOU CAN'T SEE THESE) would work.
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And the other 6 voters who said "yes" need to realize that if you put something on the internet, be prepared to have it seen. If you're not comfortable with giving out your personal information, that is perfectly fine. And if you want to tell the world your age, gender, location, Social Security number, etc., then that's fine too, just be prepared for the consequences. The 6 "yes" voters aren't prepared for the consequences. Don't put a limit on new members just because you can't handle the responsibility of your internet connection.
I agree. I know by posting pictures of myself here (and on other sites) there's the possibility that someone could take those pictures and impersonate me or whatever. And the post count won't eliminate that risk, as wildweathel said.
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wait, i thought there was a limit for e-books anyways?
or do you just have to sign up?
i'm voting 'yes' again. dunno why i changed my mind before.
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wait, i thought there was a limit for e-books anyways?
or do you just have to sign up?
http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,2162.msg141429.html#msg141429
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People are saying its not gonna help, But honestly what could it hurt?
I really don't think anyone is gonna post ANYTHING they want now cause the limit....
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This post limit idea is really stupid.
I really liked weathel's post.. it was great. It's true.
It's really simple, if you don't want it shown, don't post it. How many times do we need to go over that? lol
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Say a newb arrives, maybe he'll actually post in the ANIMORPHS threads FIRST!!! Maybe we'll get that board to really LIVE, the way other boards do!!! Then, after he's committed a fair amount of time to showing us how he thinks, we'll let him know what our lives are like, and that we can empathise with him, too. ...
Brilliant point, Esty. Actually, that's enough to convince me to support hiding Life and General, not for security reasons but for community-building ones. I believe that there are two things that really bind this community together: a shared interest in Applegate's/Grant's literature and a sense of fun--not worrying about being a little crazy.
There is even a small risk that RAF can swing to being a general discussion board, and from there it's a small step to an anything-goes board a la 4chan (though I think Richard would shut down before things got that far out of hand, and that scenario couldn't happen without significant turn-over in the membership--it's a possibility, not a prediction). How we enculturate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enculturation) new members plays a huge role in the long-term development of the community.
If we do lock down these boards, there should be a sticky to the effect that "restricted" does not equal "safe" at the top of General and Life; even if you're willing trust the community as it exists at the time you are promoted there are no guarantees that future members will be trustworthy, etc.
As far as posting count, I recommend making Life and General a "Full Membership" privilege--50 posts. That's approximately 20% of the registered membership, but a level that a new member can reach without getting bored.
So, vote changed from No -> Yes.
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i'm going to have to say no.
i do not think you should post anything you don't want others to see, (everyone here knows i post a tonne of info about myself, but i feel safe enough doing it, my phone number is based in another part of my state, my city is HUGE! [which i loath! haha]) . i agree with demos if you don't want it read, dont post it!
i do however like what este said, bu not think a full member minimum should be required, it took me for-bleeding-ever to get that far haha (bored board! gotta love 'er!) if there is going to be a restriction on any board i would be more in favour of creating a NEW board that has a minimum rather than locking an old one (although i don't know how much goes into makinga new board... :/ ).
maybe- if it doesnt take TOOOO much effort- there could be an entire section reserved for full members' (or higher...).
or to encourage new members to post, a board for fulls a board for jr extreme a board for extreme ect ect
(could someone tell me the order of RAFranks please?)
well that is my one hundred million cents (yes, i DO count for that much :P )
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Here are the perks and rough membership stats.
Perks: Member Ranks / Groups Info. (http://blog.animorphsforum.com/2008/07/detailed-member-ranks-groups-info.html)
Newbie
Jr Member (10, top ~170 have this rank or higher)
Full Member (50, ~120)
Sr Member (250, 73)
Hero Member (500, 58)
Jr Xtreme Member (1000, 39)
Xtreme Member (2000, 28)
God (500, 16)
Donator (8 members)
Other groups
Sr Staff (2)
Jr Staff (1)
Ebook Contributor (1)
I oppose having more than two levels of forum access based on post count (there might be a staff board, and there's nothing wrong with that). I don't want to fragment the community or place too much emphasis on rank (this isn't the bleeding army!), just have a chance for new members to get to know us and us them before they become fully a member of the "us."
Remember, I've been active less than two months, and have more posts than GazStalker (who joined a month earlier than I did) and even the donators Cerulean and Vivian (and almost as many as you, Broken, but that's just splitting hairs). Post count should not be everything!
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well if you don't wanna go by post count alone, how about the ratio of logged in time and post count...or something else like that?
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There is no statistic for trustworthiness.
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no, but it's better than just post count alone...
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wait is this gonna effect everyone or just the new ppl? Cuz the life and general boards r my favorite ones
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Yea I think it would be cool to have a small post count limit, just so random people cant sign up just to lurk.
But I agree with dameg, people definately have to be careful with what kind of personal information they put on the site. I know this is home and we all feel safe here, but its still the internet. So putting up the post req on those boards will reduce the risk, but not eliminate it.
I do think the same, but...
I think some threads shouldn't be allowed to be viewed by total noobs like the picture thread or the email/skype thread (not the whole "life and general boards").
Edit : I read the rest of the discussion (that could be a good idea ::) )
It will create a much stronger sense of security than actual security. The actual security is essentially non-existent, because it would be based on the assumption that postcount is equivalent to trustworthiness. This is crazy.
You "might" be right.
I don't wanna say something else cause your my RAFenemy, it would be against my principles ^^ Plus, you've just ruined my plans now Yes, i planned to kill Esplin (in the kitchen with a broomhandle ;D).
I'm not gonna vote yes nor no cause, hmmm, anyway noobs tend to post in the animorphs part at first >< cause it's generally the reason why they are on the forum and as they tend to discover other people they tend to post more and more in the life and general boards.
I don't know if there is a need to make them reach a certain amount of posts.
I'm neutral ^^
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oooook ignore my last post I now know this just applies to the newbies. I do think that it's a good idea to initially ban the newbs from the life and general board cuz like Duff said, this is the internet and we're gonna have a bunch of weirdos signing up on RAF just to look at ppls pictures r view their email addresses. Sooooo yea the post count thing is a good idea cuz then you'll see who actually joined to be a part of this forum or who just joined to get personal info out of ppl
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no, weathel, it is not the army.
however,it wouldn't be fragmenting the community, if lets say there was a NEW board, for just the extreme and up (can someone explain the God thing? please?). and NO it would not be a sign of trustworthiness, but it would be a cool beni of having such a high post count AND would encourage RAfians to post in other boards besides just the bored board (my personal favourite...MAN if it only counted >< ) it may not be a sign of trustworthiness BUT it would be a sign of loyalty...
you see my point?
however i do agree with you, that there is no way to determine a fellow RAfians trustworthiness, and i would not want anyone to mistakenly post personal and/or private information in one of these boards thinking it was safe because it had an elite membership.
so upon further review of my statements and a little foresight, i resign my idea but retain the fact that i think it would be sodding KEWL haha
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"God" = name for "Sr Xtreme Member". It's the top tier @ 5k posts. Gods can move and lock threads that they start, and have a 500-message mailbox. That's all.
My concern is that if there's a "valhalla" board for XMs they'll spend a lot of time there and disappear from the regular community. That's all.
this is the internet and we're gonna have a bunch of weirdos signing up on RAF just to look at ppls pictures r view their email addresses.
Well, we could, but I don't actually expect that to be much of a problem--the vast majority of people are mostly trustworthy--but it just takes one really bad apple to spoil the whole thing. As far as putting my e-mail out goes: by now, I've just resigned myself to a few hundred e-mails a month advertising dubious "supplements" or, um, appliances. Fortunately, Google has a good spam filter.
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*chuckle*
Honestly, I kinda' like the idea of a Valhalla board (or would it be Asgard? Olympus?), but I agree that it would probably limit how much time the RAFpantheon spends in normal RAF. :P
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*chuckle*
Honestly, I kinda' like the idea of a Valhalla board (or would it be Asgard? Olympus?), but I agree that it would probably limit how much time the RAFpantheon spends in normal RAF. :P
U mean any more than RAFchat has done XD? I think that's actually a good idea.
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Love reading all your opinions.
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Love reading all your opinions.
thanks. if you were going to do this, what would the post count limit be?
10, 50?
and we definitely shouldn't make a big announcement about this (which would encourage spamming), this should just 'appear' when a user reaches that number of posts.
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wait is this gonna effect everyone or just the new ppl? Cuz the life and general boards r my favorite ones
don't worry about it. even if we do set a limit for everyone, you already have over 1000 posts, which is definitely gonna be higher than any limit we set...
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haha yeah.
maybe karma could play into effect as well?
(like maybe -10 and under can't view it regardless of their post count?)
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Love reading all your opinions.
i always figured you did :P
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thanks. if you were going to do this, what would the post count limit be?
I was thinking around ten. And yea. I got the suggestion about not making an announcement about the requirement.
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I'm against it being karma-based, simply because someone with enough inferiority issues could spam someone's karma for hours, just to keep them outta' the boards. Then, if that person wanted to FIX this, they'd either have to start a ridiculous number of topics (look who's talking ::)) or else post in such a way that other people bring their karma up for them.
If you can't access a board to post, how do you do that?
Not everyone CARES about karma, but it can mean a lot to some people. *shrug*
On another note, I was talking to a friend-who-will-not-be-named last night, and she noted that lately the boards have been getting kinda' clique-ish, with the high-ranking members being especially snarky to the newbies.
If we WERE to have that hypothetical Gods-only board... it would only increase any existing snark and exclusivity....
It's kinda' like a blue-chip-stock company. The more shares you hold, the more influence you hold, and eventually you forget that the little guys have a say in the matter, too.
I love socializing with the newbies, but I'll admit that I get kinda' snarky, too, just because I forget not to push them as far as I might push Tyler or Duff, for instance. Things that veteran/god RAFians take in stride, things that we find FUNNY... well, sometimes it offends the Hell outta' the n00bs, and sometimes it scares 'em away a little bit.
I think I know what my next RAFblog article is gonna' be. Yep. :P
*end of rant~
EDIT: My vote remains 'yes' for the last reason I stated, but for another reason, now, too:
Before the newbies enter the Gen. and Life boards and REALLY get smacked in the face by full frontal snark and the emphatic opinions of the overwhelmingly-well-supported RAFpantheon, they can have some time to get acclimated to the environment on topics like Animorphs, which they already know well enough that they can hold their own in a discussion. Instead of plunging headfirst into the busiest and craziest parts of RAF, they can... test the waters... so to speak. Then, if they feel like staying, they will have had time to realise that we ARE crazy, and the snark won't be such a shock.
After all, if you were utterly new to this forum, would you want to get into an awesomeness argument with Esplin or Tyler on your first day? Would you want to hold a lengthy and mind-warping discussion with me? Would you want to accidentally offend Anna, Blue, Goom, Ken, or Skye, while the other four are watching? Would you want to mistakenly think that Morfowt is joking, and then learn the hard way that he ISN'T? Conversely, would you want to mistakenly take Duff-humour seriously, then learn the hard way that he didn't mean a word of it, after you've already made an arse of yourself? Would you want to get on my/Phoenix's/Richard's "bad side" by doing all-of-the-above?
Think about how much that would have to SUCK!!!
We've all seen it happen at one point or another, sometimes all to the same person. It rarely ends well for the poor loons that cross us. Why don't we make it a bit easier for them to work their way into our society?
*end of rant # 2~
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i agree with what was just said
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but people now have to have a reason to applaud/smite someone, so they'd have to come up with a reasonable reason each time, kinda risky and troublesome don't you think?
I don't know about being snarky, but I have noticed I'm quite a bit less social around new or less active members...
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I'm against it being karma-based, simply because someone with enough inferiority issues could spam someone's karma for hours, just to keep them outta' the boards. Then, if that person wanted to FIX this, they'd either have to start a ridiculous number of topics (look who's talking ::)) or else post in such a way that other people bring their karma up for them.
If you can't access a board to post, how do you do that?
Not everyone CARES about karma, but it can mean a lot to some people. *shrug*
On another note, I was talking to a friend-who-will-not-be-named last night, and she noted that lately the boards have been getting kinda' clique-ish, with the high-ranking members being especially snarky to the newbies.
If we WERE to have that hypothetical Gods-only board... it would only increase any existing snark and exclusivity....
It's kinda' like a blue-chip-stock company. The more shares you hold, the more influence you hold, and eventually you forget that the little guys have a say in the matter, too.
I love socializing with the newbies, but I'll admit that I get kinda' snarky, too, just because I forget not to push them as far as I might push Tyler or Duff, for instance. Things that veteran/god RAFians take in stride, things that we find FUNNY... well, sometimes it offends the Hell outta' the n00bs, and sometimes it scares 'em away a little bit.
I think I know what my next RAFblog article is gonna' be. Yep. :P
*end of rant~
EDIT: My vote remains 'yes' for the last reason I stated, but for another reason, now, too:
Before the newbies enter the Gen. and Life boards and REALLY get smacked in the face by full frontal snark and the emphatic opinions of the overwhelmingly-well-supported RAFpantheon, they can have some time to get acclimated to the environment on topics like Animorphs, which they already know well enough that they can hold their own in a discussion. Instead of plunging headfirst into the busiest and craziest parts of RAF, they can... test the waters... so to speak. Then, if they feel like staying, they will have had time to realise that we ARE crazy, and the snark won't be such a shock.
After all, if you were utterly new to this forum, would you want to get into an awesomeness argument with Esplin or Tyler on your first day? Would you want to hold a lengthy and mind-warping discussion with me? Would you want to accidentally offend Anna, Blue, Goom, Ken, or Skye, while the other four are watching? Would you want to mistakenly think that Morfowt is joking, and then learn the hard way that he ISN'T? Conversely, would you want to mistakenly take Duff-humour seriously, then learn the hard way that he didn't mean a word of it, after you've already made an arse of yourself? Would you want to get on my/Phoenix's/Richard's "bad side" by doing all-of-the-above?
Think about how much that would have to SUCK!!!
We've all seen it happen at one point or another, sometimes all to the same person. It rarely ends well for the poor loons that cross us. Why don't we make it a bit easier for them to work their way into our society?
*end of rant # 2~
Wow, este u r truly amazing. That was the best rant I've ever heard LOL
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i voted, but i'm not going to disclose what my choice was
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Good point, Estelore! Hmm. I don't know if I'll change my vote though. I think the best thing for newbs to do is lurk in the General/Life boards for a while before posting there. That way they will get a feel for RAF and get to know the members a little bit, while avoiding getting into trouble because they post without really knowing what people's reactions are gonna be.
And then maybe there will be those who join because they liked what they saw on the General/Life boards. I know with this there's the danger of RAF becoming RGF as some have mentioned though.
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but people now have to have a reason to applaud/smite someone, so they'd have to come up with a reasonable reason each time, kinda risky and troublesome don't you think?
i agree with that.
i've only got smited like once or twice since that new rule was instated, versus 10 times beforehand.
if somebody was smiting somebody for a non-genuine reason, they'd get in trouble.
still, karma-based is just a suggestion.
and also, no god board please. that'd just encourage even more spamming.
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but people now have to have a reason to applaud/smite someone, so they'd have to come up with a reasonable reason each time, kinda risky and troublesome don't you think?
and also, no god board please.
Agreed.
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but people now have to have a reason to applaud/smite someone, so they'd have to come up with a reasonable reason each time, kinda risky and troublesome don't you think?
and also, no god board please.
Agreed.
aw man I liked the idea of a board for RAFveterans
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i say no, its really not a huge deal, but maybe make it so guests cant (unless they already cant)
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50/50 split
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but people now have to have a reason to applaud/smite someone, so they'd have to come up with a reasonable reason each time, kinda risky and troublesome don't you think?
and also, no god board please.
Agreed.
aw man I liked the idea of a board for RAFveterans
if there is, it should be time based, not post count based
like if you've been here over 6 months you get a special board
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active for over six months, so all the random people with 10 posts from six months ago dont have it lol
but that doesnt matter because a god/veteran board would just be weird and pointless lol what would we talk about? gossip about the other members?
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Discuss all the RAFwank, of course! ;)
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I voted no, so the majority is for no. :)
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I voted no, so the majority is for no. :)
..at the moment.
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just a few more hours now till it closes. what happens if its a tie?
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just a few more hours now till it closes. what happens if its a tie?
it won't be. hopefully.
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well it's a tie right now...
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Just a few more hours and its a tie...
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Current system stays.
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Nooo! For some reason it says I voted no. But I didn't vote... Weird. lol unless I did and forgot. either way, yays for it staying!
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shouldn't it be a tie then, if anna didn't vote no?
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Goom, my friend, even if it IS officially a tie... I don't see Richard making a change over just a tie.
But I cannot speak for him, naturally.
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yeah, i figured the tie would result in a no anyways.
oh well.
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Oh I missed out on voting :(
I would've voted no anyway...it's not a nice feeling to know you're shut out of somewhere until a certain point in time.
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Oh I missed out on voting :(
I would've voted no anyway...it's not a nice feeling to know you're shut out of somewhere until a certain point in time.
Would have they known it?
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Oh I missed out on voting :(
I would've voted no anyway...it's not a nice feeling to know you're shut out of somewhere until a certain point in time.
Would have they known it?
no, if they would, it'd just encourage spamming...
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Oh I missed out on voting :(
I would've voted no anyway...it's not a nice feeling to know you're shut out of somewhere until a certain point in time.
Would have they known it?
no, if they would, it'd just encourage spamming...
then we dont tell them about the "Vet board" until they've earned the right to use it
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Nah..I like it better how it is! Glad it hasn't changed.
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Oh I missed out on voting :(
I would've voted no anyway...it's not a nice feeling to know you're shut out of somewhere until a certain point in time.
Would have they known it?
no, if they would, it'd just encourage spamming...
then we dont tell them about the "Vet board" until they've earned the right to use it
the reason we don't have a vet board, is because there's no point in having one...
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Oh I missed out on voting :(
I would've voted no anyway...it's not a nice feeling to know you're shut out of somewhere until a certain point in time.
Would have they known it?
no, if they would, it'd just encourage spamming...
then we dont tell them about the "Vet board" until they've earned the right to use it
the reason we don't have a vet board, is because there's no point in having one...
SHHHSH!?!?!
they don't know that ;)
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wait, they don't know about the xtreme-only board?
i thought it was in the rules.. somewhere.. ::)
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Ermn... sorry to be a party-pooper... but since it's already decided, don't you suppose maybe we ought to lock the topic?
Eh. 'Snot up to me, of course. ;)
G'day!
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Even though voting is closed, I very strongly vote no. I never stick with most message forums cause of how ****tily newbies are treated, but I stuck with this one because newbs were treated with kindness and as EQUALS. It's a message forum, not a friggin' popularity contest. Why shouldn't newbs be equal? Sure, some MAY cause problems, but deal with those individuals, not newbs as a whole. I stuck around because of how much of an equal I felt like when I first joined, and not once did I feel, as a newb, like people were looking down on me or treating me different because of one or two bad apples in the past.
If that changes, I'm gone. Even though I'm not a newb anymore, I refuse to support a site that treats others like that.
P.S. I don't know where all this venom is suddenly coming from regarding newbies, but its quite pathetic and sickening if you ask me, and the exact opposite of why I joined this board.
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Nicely said... +1
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P.S. I don't know where all this venom is suddenly coming from regarding newbies, but its quite pathetic and sickening if you ask me, and the exact opposite of why I joined this board.
Where have you seen this reaction? I'm genuinely curious; I haven't seen it in this thread or anywhere else.
As I see it, the reason people were voting "yes" is because they thought it would be beneficial for new members to become active in the Animorphs thread first. Although I voted "no," I don't see how that's treating them badly.
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P.S. I don't know where all this venom is suddenly coming from regarding newbies, but its quite pathetic and sickening if you ask me, and the exact opposite of why I joined this board.
Where have you seen this reaction? I'm genuinely curious; I haven't seen it in this thread or anywhere else.
As I see it, the reason people were voting "yes" is because they thought it would be beneficial for new members to become active in the Animorphs thread first. Although I voted "no," I don't see how that's treating them badly.
agreed. no harm to the newbies.
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Well...how would you feel if you just found out that there's a secret part of the forum that's only open to people who've been here for 2 or more years for example, and you were shut out?
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i already know that there is one.
i was overjoyed in my other forum when i was permitted access to the mod board.
it's a similar concept..
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Well, I've already commented on the newbie stuff in the blog and in this thread. You know how I feel about it, but if I honestly thought RAF was about to turn n00b-vicious, I'd not be leaving. I'd be right here trying to snap the other members outta' their funk and showing them just how dumb they were being.
It's 'cause I love you people. :)
If my friend sits at a lunch table, I sit with her. If she goes to a cinema, I go with her. If she cries, perhaps I cry with her, and then I go find the s.o.b. who made her cry, and I give him a reason to cry. If my friend jumps off a bridge, I cut the bungee chord so that she knows not to do that stupid self-destructive sh**.
That's sorta' how I feel about RAF. I love this place to the extent that I'd rather hurt you REALLY badly than watch you destroy yourself, and God help the fool that hurts you before I do. ;D
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excellent post.
couldn't agree more.
+1
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Thanks, Goom-la!
Anyway... I believe I've queried before... why is the thread still open, when the subject is closed? Sorry to nag, but methinks this will bring nought but more arguments if we leave it up. :P
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agreed. maybe we can vote on this again in the future, but no point in leaving it unlocked.
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If my friend jumps off a bridge, I cut the bungee chord so that she knows not to do that stupid self-destructive sh**.
Wait..so you let her fall to her death instead of harmlessly bouncing back up? :P
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Well...how would you feel if you just found out that there's a secret part of the forum that's only open to people who've been here for 2 or more years for example, and you were shut out?
i feel like i would want to be part of that group ;)
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Wait..so you let her fall to her death instead of harmlessly bouncing back up?
No, I wait until she's close enough to a landing that she'll break a few dozen bones, but I keep her from doing something so dumb ever again.
Yes, it's twisted logic.
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Yes, it's twisted logic.
that's the best kind
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*dark chuckle*
Thanks, Shock. I'm glad you appreciate my taste in rationalities. :) ;) >:D
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*dark chuckle*
Thanks, Shock. I'm glad you appreciate my taste in rationalities. :) ;) >:D
reality is what you make of it.
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Hahaha, finally somebody gets it! Consentual Reality. :)