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Title: Force Fields
Post by: Darth Zakryn on February 07, 2011, 05:20:25 PM
All right, we know that force fields DO exist in the Animorphs universe, they're shown multiple times guarding installations, etc, so here's my question, something I've had on my mind for quite some time: WHY DON'T THEY PLACE FORCE FIELDS ON THEIR SHIPS? It's shown that it could be done almost a billion years earlier, when the technology was probably much, much less advanced than it is nowadays, so why don't either Yeerks OR Andalites shield their spacecraft? Is it impossible to do it space or something? But again, it was possible in the Ellimist Chronicles when technology was inferior.

So... a... reason?
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: LisaCharly on February 07, 2011, 06:02:48 PM
Isn't it mentioned that force fields basically eat up costly resources? Isn't that why they could get in through the top in...I wanna say #21?
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: Chad32 on February 07, 2011, 06:25:18 PM
I'm under the impression that they have shields on their larger, more important ships. however they don't have shields on the basic fighters. Maybe it's just cheaper to do so, or the fighters don't have the power capacity for good shields.
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: Darth Zakryn on February 07, 2011, 06:53:34 PM

But in #8, the Blade ship destroys the Andalite Dome ship without encountering ANY force fields!
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: Chad32 on February 07, 2011, 06:58:34 PM
No force fields mentioned at all? That is weird.
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: LisaCharly on February 07, 2011, 06:59:21 PM
Aren't Dome Ships huge? Wouldn't a force field use a lot of energy for something that big?

Or am I totally pulling that explanation out of thin air?
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: Darth Zakryn on February 07, 2011, 07:00:35 PM

Force fields were used on the MCQ3 in the Ellimist Chronicles.

And yes, no mention of Force Fields. Want the exact quote?
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: Chad32 on February 07, 2011, 07:03:03 PM
If anything deserves a forcefield, regardless of cost, it's something as important as a Dome Ship. However if none were mentioned at all, it seems like a big oversight.
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: Darth Zakryn on February 07, 2011, 07:05:52 PM

Here's the exact quote

Quote
Slowly, the rest of my ship rotated into sight. Without the dome it looked like a long stick, with the huge bulge of engines on the far end, and the smaller bulge of the battle bridge in the middle. They were trying to turn to meet the Blade ship.

Too slow.

The Blade ship fired!

<NO!>

Dracon beams, bright as a sun, lanced through space.

The ship fired again. Again. Again.

An explosion of light! A silent explosion like a small sun going nova.

The ship . . . my ship . . . blew up into its separate atoms. One huge flash of light, and a hundred Andalite warriors died.
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: RYTX on February 07, 2011, 07:29:25 PM
Weak but possible explaination: The Dome ship is launching fighters during this-maybe they'd have to take down a shield to let them out: then it's just timing your shot
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: Darth Zakryn on February 07, 2011, 07:39:50 PM

They had already launched several minutes earlier. What, do force fields take a long time to charge? Maybe when they've gone out due to enemy fire, but after dropping them temporarily? Doesn't fly with me...
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: RYTX on February 07, 2011, 09:14:11 PM
Who knows how long it takes to recharge.
I believe it was in book 2 V3 had a ship-I think his blade ship on the ground- and was tripping about a bulldozer being run into because they couldn't get it in the air fast enough. Surely a force field would stop it, but that doesn't come up-may have the same problem

Plus they'd just ejected the dome, I'd imagine you'd have to turn off for that too
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: sublime88stang on February 07, 2011, 10:56:01 PM
The force field's could have been a non-regenerating type thing. So after a ship has taken more than x amount of hits the force field is gone, and its vuenerable to attack?
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: DinosaurNothlit on February 08, 2011, 12:02:03 AM
Since both #8 and #2 are early books, I would chalk that up as a KASU.  I'm pretty sure that, in later books, ships are mentioned as having force fields (can't think of any specific examples off the top of my head, though).

Also, did the tanker ship in #3 have a force field?  I seem to remember a reference to birds crumpling in mid-air as though hitting an invisible wall, but I can't remember if they were said to be hitting a force field or just the cloaked ship itself.
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: Chad32 on February 08, 2011, 12:05:08 AM
If it had a forcefield, I doubt a dracon beam could take it down. the geese likely just impacted the ship itsself. I'm sure the blade and pool ships were said to have shields somewhere, and the blade ship actually has better shields than the pool ship. I would think it would be reversed, since the pool ship isn't battle oriented. It's more of an orbital base, I think.
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: Darth Zakryn on February 08, 2011, 10:08:09 AM
I found new facts for the force field argument debate.

It is thought by Elfangor in the Andalite Chronicles that the Jahar is well-shielded, and as anyone who's the read book knows, the Jahar is an Andalite fighter, Alloran's personal fighter, but a fighter nonetheless, showing that Andalites CAN and DO shield their fighters. So the Yeerks, who have stolen technology from them, can probably do the same. YET IT NEVER LOOKS LIKE IT!

In #1. The Invasion, Elfangor's fighter and a Bug ship blow each other up without encountering force fields.

In #2. The Visitor, "a bulldozer going nine miles per hour caused one of these things to explode!" to quote poparena.

In #11. The Forgotten the shockwaves from the laser explosion caused the ships to crash. No mention of force fields.

In #18. The Decision several low-flying Yeerk and Andalite ships are blown apart. Still no mention of force fields.

In #25. The Extreme the Blade ship blows up the Bug fighter. Force fields are not mentioned once, though somewhat justified.

In #30. The Reunion I think a few Bug fighters are destroyed by the Empire ship. Once again, force fields are not present.

In #34. The Prophecy the Andalites in a Bug fighter destroy another Bug fighter to aid an Andalite ship. ONCE AGAIN, FORCE FIELDS SEEM TO BE A FOREIGN CONCEPT! Are ALL ships unshielded despite the fact that their pilots claim that they have shields? WHAT IS THE LOGIC HERE?

I could go on and on, but... you get the point.
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: TobiasMasonPark on February 08, 2011, 12:31:52 PM
     I guess when you're describing a space battle in a SCI-FI series, it's a lot more epic to mention Bug Fighters blowing up, rather than saying, "The shields blocked the blow."
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: Unknown User on February 08, 2011, 12:34:29 PM
I don't remember which book it is, but there is one where the Animorphs escape the pool via a bug fighter. Ax mentions the sheilds plenty of times in that one as they are being shot by controlers and bouncing off the walls.
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: zazuban on February 09, 2011, 05:39:03 PM
The shield could possibly drain engine power causing the ships to be slower,unable to make sharp turns,or unable to engage the enemy. At leats that's the way it sounds to me.
Title: Re: Force Fields
Post by: wildweathel on February 10, 2011, 12:09:23 PM
Of course they have forcefields.  You can't maneuver effectively without some kind of force field or the acceleration of your engines would squish your crew flat and micro-meteor impacts would blast away your ship's hull.  (The solar wind is brutal at 80% of light speed.)

But, who says that you have to mention force fields every time they get overloaded?  Would a well-written description of a car crash analyze the deformation of each and every structural member??