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Title: KASU
Post by: wolfev on July 25, 2008, 09:54:53 PM
I know there are a lot of KASU's out there. Lets list and comment on some of the best ones.
Here is the link to the KASU's. http://www.geocities.com/sbsa01/kasu.htm

Some of my favorites include:

51 Jake and Marco have friends since second grade but in 4 they were friends since in diapers.
Explanation Sometimes people still have accidents

26 Why does it matter that they yeerks will meet hte Iskoot in 300 years if they will have been defeated?
Explanation Have they been defeated?

Title: Re: KASU
Post by: morfowt on July 25, 2008, 09:56:48 PM
that list isn't very accurate. there are quite a few KASU that can be explained.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: ~ on July 25, 2008, 10:01:09 PM
Some of those aren't KASU's. Like the Buffy one. There are several reasons that can explain watching Buffy on thursday, maybe he had a VCR, or maybe the thing takes place in the future, or maybe in the aniverse that's when Buffy was on.

There are more, but I don't feel like getting into it.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: filmstu2005 on July 25, 2008, 11:45:50 PM
Yeah, a lot of the KASUs are really not that serious.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Qwerty the Charliecorn on July 26, 2008, 12:30:57 AM
A lot of those were just opinions and little nit-picks, but I agree with some of them. I don't know why, but I love it when I catch a mistake in a book. It makes the author seem more... Human, perhaps. I especially enjoy finding them on standardized tests. Don't get me wrong, though. There's nothing wrong with little mistakes. Every writer makes them. Some editors are just better at covering them up.  ;)

I just realized that if you were to use my name, it would be called an SSSU...

Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Liz on July 26, 2008, 01:32:25 AM
A lot of those were just opinions and little nit-picks, but I agree with some of them.

Yeah, some of them are dumb, like the ones for #30:

~Why did Marco skip school to go to the business district, when there are better places to go...
~Marco's morphing suit tears when he morphs into Mr. Grant in Chapter 4. However, Mr. Grant is a morph so Marco should be morphing into a naked Mr. Grant. Marco's morphing clothes would become bare skin, like any other animal.

The first one: ...how is that a mistake?  It's just personal opinion.
The second one: If you were morphing human, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be concentrating on morphing your suit like you would for animals. xD

Still, it's a pretty good and thorough list of KASUs, very useful.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Dameg on July 26, 2008, 04:36:08 AM
I agree, some aren't really KASU.
But some don't appear in French translation. Jake don't call Cassie "Cass" in French, for example. And sometimes I don't know if Katherine made a mistake or if it's the translator who made it. For example (I didn't read all the KASU, so I don't know if they put it): once, they say they're morphing "chouettes" (owls) but they don't have this animorphs, in fact they're morphing "mouettes" (seegulls). In French, the 2 words are pretty close, so may be the translator made the mistake...
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Phoenix004 on July 26, 2008, 02:25:58 PM
I admit that I'm impressed at the observational skills of the person who wrote that list, but I'm also tempted to call that person an obsessive compulsive moron because he seems so addicted to finding errors that he finds them when they aren't even there! He takes some things a bit too literally and other things completely out of context. Other things just make him sound like he's nitpicking.

I won't go through all of them, but I'll list some of the one he listed that I disagree with.

~Jake says it has been two years since Marco's mom died on p74. The two-year anniversary is reached in #5.

Not that much time passes between book 1 and book 5, so in book it has been near enough two years, so Jake just rounded up.


~Why doesn't Tom make Jake a Controller if he suspects him of knowing about the Yeerks?

I believe in book 1 Chapman tells Tom not to infest or kill Jake, as if they did that to every kid who might have been at the construction site then The Sharing would attract unwanted attention. As for the infesting, the whole point in The Sharing is to recruit willing hosts (which make it far easier who the Yeerk to control) rather than snatching every kid who goes there and dunking their head in the Pool.


~While Jake and Marco have an adventure at the Gardens, the rest of the gang goes off acquiring animals. The only animal we know they acquired is Rachel's elephant. Why didn't they acquire more?

Tobias already said that he wanted to stick with his hawk morph and Cassie had her horse morph (which she used in the Pool) so Rachel was the only one who needed to get a morph. Besides, they weren't separated for that long and probably spent some time looking for Marco and Jake.

~Shrews are referred to belonging under the class of rodent on p54, but they're actually insectivore.

Only Cassie might have known that and it was hardly the time or place for a biology discussion.


~Why does Magilla have a name? She's a patient in the barn; she's going to be released. Does Cassie spend her time naming every animal in the barn?

A 13 year old girl giving a cute animal a name? That's madness!  ::)


~Ax says Hork-Bajir can't swim on p124, but Jara says he can and does in #13. Perhaps Ax was sleeping in that class...

Swimming in a stream and swimming in the ocean are a bit different. I believe Ax said that they weren't strong swimmers, not that they couldn't swim at all.


~Temrash says he'll be an Under-Visser. The correct term is Sub-Visser.

The term Sub-Visser had not been used by that point in the series. Did it occur to you that KA just changed her mind?


~Ax forgets the 'Prince' title for Jake on p113.

And I'm sure that anyone who is friends with the Queen of England ALWAYS calls her Queen Elizabeth in casual conversation.


~There are no grizzly bears located in California zoos.

There aren't any brain stealing slugs in California either. It's called "fiction."


~Cassie uses her T-shirt as bandages on p77. But she wears a leotard to morph, so where did she get a T-shirt?

Maybe the leotard was starting to smell so she decided to try a new morphing suit for a change?  :P


~Jake wonders if he can morph the poison out on p94, but he did so in #6 as a roach.

In book 6 he was poisoned by bug spray, something that would certainly not be harmful to a human in small amounts. In book 11 he was most likely bitten by a snake whose venom was deadly to humans as well as his Tiger morph.


#13 - The Change
•No goofs have been found yet.


Not even the one you said earlier about the Hork-Bajir swimming? Or the fact that Ax's translator chip should allow him to understand the HB language, but he claims he is unfamiliar with certain words.

I could go on, but I think my point is made. He really does sound like he's desperate to find flaws.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: morfowt on July 26, 2008, 04:44:57 PM
Well the one about the hork-bajir swimming...since their planet is a valley with trees, where did hork-bajir learn how to swim? I can't imagine there being any kind of body of water other than puddles in the valleys.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Phoenix004 on July 26, 2008, 05:34:47 PM
Well the one about the hork-bajir swimming...since their planet is a valley with trees, where did hork-bajir learn how to swim? I can't imagine there being any kind of body of water other than puddles in the valleys.

They never went into much detail on where they got there water from, but in book 34 there is a big Yeerk Pool which I believe Aldrea said used to be a lake or something. I doubt Hork-Bajir would be capable of long distance swimming, but brief paddling probably wouldn't be a problem. After all, humans didn't evolve for swimming either but we learned.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: morfowt on July 26, 2008, 05:52:17 PM
the bottom of the lake was wood wasn't it? and in HBC, it said because of the valleys, the yeerks could build a pool in the ground, so the cut a tree and used it as a pool.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: esplin on July 26, 2008, 05:54:27 PM
i bet there were places on the trees where they could keep water, like in the huge branches and stuff
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Phoenix004 on July 26, 2008, 05:55:16 PM
In HBC yes, that's what they did. The one in #34 is either a different pool or a much larger extension of the one mentioned in HBC.

I'm no tree expert, but I don't think you can get water out of tree bark. However, I don't recall it being mentioned how Hork-Bajir obtain water, so I guess it's a possibility.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: morfowt on July 26, 2008, 06:00:26 PM
Don't some animals get water from plants?
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: ~ on July 26, 2008, 11:04:03 PM
~Ax doesn't understand kissing on p6. However in the Hork-Bajir Chronicles, Aldrea says Andalites kiss by rubbing palms (p189).

A human kiss is different then rubbing palms.

~The 'evil' Animorphs shouldn't exist. Visser Four changed many drastic events, and the world is very different (including America). The altered events should make a completely new population as people have children at different times.

It's called 'suspension of disbelief', You need to be able to do it to enjoy science fiction.

~When Marco enters the school on p24, he 'booked' around the corner. It should be spelled looked.

'Booked' means ran, as in he ran around the corner.

~Rachel has piercings in her ears for the earrings; yet morphing would remove the holes. Or does she pierce them every time she demorphs?

Again, suspension of disbelief.

~In the Hork-Bajir Chronicles, the Council of Thirteen is said to not have known about the rebel Yeerks (p7) which would place them on the quarantined Yeerk home world. In Visser, the Council of Thirteen has mysteriously left the Andalite quarantine and is on a ship.

A lot can happen in 30 years.

Sara is written as Sarah

I spell my name multiple ways too. And what do you know, my name is Sarah-Jayne.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: wolfev on July 26, 2008, 11:11:57 PM
Did you ever travel through time in a police box?
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: morfowt on July 26, 2008, 11:52:00 PM
I don't remember which but it said something about papa john's is supposed to be spelled Pappa.

well how do you know it's spelled like that. maybe somewhere is a place that's spelled papa john's.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Liz on July 27, 2008, 12:42:54 AM
http://www.papajohns.com/

Hehe.

I think this was a very interesting point here:

Quote
~There are some points in the series where the Animorphs mention they're writing the books (Jake says he's writing this all down in #1, and Rachel says she always wanted to pen "It was a dark and stormy night" in #2). No one can write MM4, because everyone forgets it except Cassie (who will only have a vague sense of it anyway).

It seemed like at the beginning of the series they said they were writing things down, but then no one mentioned it ever again.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: wolfev on July 27, 2008, 12:48:14 AM
Ax was writing a diary. Wouldn't that help the yeerks find them though? Maybe they were doing that Hirac Delest thing. It probably comes with the morphing technology. Furthermore doesn't that mean the stories are open to speculation since they are all from a first person perspective but being told later on. Or is it a mix of both first and third person. This also confused me. An andalite year is 7 earth years. K.A. says Ax is 3 though but he is said to be of equivalent age to the animorphs. Shouldn't it be 2 instead of 3? Also Elfangor hopes to live to be 200 in his years. Thats a really long time to be alive.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: morfowt on July 27, 2008, 01:05:17 AM
I thought ax was two...
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: filmstu2005 on July 27, 2008, 01:45:40 AM
Holy shi*, she talked about Andalite ages? Damn, i really missed that part...
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: morfowt on July 27, 2008, 01:49:11 AM
actually I don't remember where I heard that...
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: ~ on July 27, 2008, 04:27:23 AM
Did you ever travel through time in a police box?

What can I say, the 'rents were fans. Course I am too, and who wouldn't want to be named after someone who's a BAMF even into their 50's? ;D
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Dameg on July 27, 2008, 05:03:24 PM
I never heard about Ax was 3 (or 2) nor about Andalite year is 7 Earth years... Did they forget in the French translation ? O_o
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: morfowt on July 27, 2008, 05:27:38 PM
I don't think it was in the books...but I forgot where I heard it.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: anifan12 on September 08, 2008, 01:14:59 PM
Quote
I admit that I'm impressed at the observational skills of the person who wrote that list, but I'm also tempted to call that person an obsessive compulsive moron because he seems so addicted to finding errors that he finds them when they aren't even there! He takes some things a bit too literally and other things completely out of context. Other things just make him sound like he's nitpicking.
Hi there. I'm the "obsessive compulsive moron" who wrote up the page, and I just noticed this thread. Some of you were complaining how some of the nitpicks were small, or you didn't think they should've been on the page. Well first, a nitpick doesn't always mean a big gaping plot hole, sometimes it's something small. Second, I wanted to write with a sense of humor concerning the mistakes, like Phil Farrand does on his nitpickers page (www.nitcentral.com in case you wanted to know. By the way, I'm not Phil Farrand). Yeah, some of the mistakes can be refuted, but it was just for fun to put them all up.
BTW, I didn't find all of the mistakes. Some of them were on Animorphs web pages that have since gone offline.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Nateosaurus on September 10, 2008, 02:20:38 AM
Lol, its actually interesting finding out how many mistakes there are..

How could so many grammar errors not get edited? lol
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Chad32 on September 19, 2008, 11:09:02 AM
I don't know if it's listed, but does anyone find it odd that it took someone so long to find the blue box at the construction site. David found it, but there are actually homeless people that live there. Someone should have found it before David.

Also, what happened to it in the first book. I don't remember anyone taking it back into the ship. So, is Elfangor holding it while Visser Three is gloating at him? What, did he hide it behind his back or something?
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Essam 293 on September 19, 2008, 01:35:29 PM
Also, what happened to it in the first book. I don't remember anyone taking it back into the ship. So, is Elfangor holding it while Visser Three is gloating at him? What, did he hide it behind his back or something?

I always wondered about that as well. It would've been interesting if Elfangor had simply handed the Animorphs the Escafil Device from the beginning. I wonder how that would've changed things. Would they have started recruiting people they trusted from the start? The only reason they didn't use the Escafil Device on anyone else in the series when they got it was because of what happened with David. With that not happening, they wouldn't have had any reason to hold back the way they did until the end.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: morfowt on September 19, 2008, 05:17:54 PM
if they got the blue box from the beginning, they would've never met david.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Phoenix004 on September 19, 2008, 06:00:58 PM
I would assume that Elfangor threw it somewhere out of the way and then the force of the energy beams that destroyed his ship blasted it a safe distance or covered it in some rubble or something. Elfangor wouldn't have risked the Yeerks getting their hands on it, so giving it to the Animorphs may have been a good idea, except that it would have changed the story line and KA may already have had ideas concerning the blue box in the future (eg. David).

If they did have the box from the start, I don't think they would have tried to recruit anyone, especially since Elfangor warned them that Controllers could be anyone and to be careful who they trusted. Even if they found people they trusted (and knew they weren't Controllers) would they want to put anybody else through the same nightmares? I doubt it. David was a special case as it was a choice between leaving him for dead (or worse) or making him one of them.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Gafrash on January 08, 2009, 10:23:46 AM
Oh, here we go with a list of KASUs! Will take time to read them all!
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: goom on January 08, 2009, 07:14:49 PM
this list isn't completely accurate, but it's still nice for some of the KASUs.
thanks for posting it ;)
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Gafrash on January 08, 2009, 09:31:10 PM
It is understandable that a series as big as long as Animorphs would have some continuity errors.
Especially at its beginning, where some rules were not quite defined, you can let them through. But most of the errors I see on this list I believe were Ghostwritten.
 
Below is a copy and paste of the link posted on this thread. Punctuation and spelling errors not included.
PS: Some of these are pedantic and corny, but KASUs nevertheless.


I do make mistakes from time to time, I'm afraid.
I try not to, but on the other hand, it can be kind of a game for readers: find the KASU. The Katherine Applegate Screw Up.
— K.A. Applegate, "According to K.A. November 1998"



#1 - The Invasion
~Jake says he's writing their experiences down on p1. What if Tom does some snooping and finds Jake's journal? Shouldn't it be safer just to keep it secret?
~Elfangor says to not direct your thoughts to Visser Three on p35, or he'd hear them... you must be in morph to do this.
~On p35, Elfangor can still hear the Animorphs whispering behind the construction junk. Pretty improbable, yet if Andalite ears are that good, shouldn't Visser Three also hear them?
~Elfangor had a lethal injury during the talk he had with the Animorphs at the Construction site; Tobias sucks a cut finger from Dude on p51... well, morphing heals injuries.
~Jake uses thought-speak when human on p56.
~Jake has Homer's memory about Streak, and says his morph's neutered on p64. You only absorb the DNA from a morph (like Marco says in Chapter 12), not the memory or injuries of the acquired.


#2 - The Visitor
~Rachel gets a thermal coming from the sea on p11.
~Thought-speak is written as 'think-speak' on p20.
~Shrews are referred to belonging under the class of rodent on p54, but they're actually insectivore.
~A mention is made about being sent to the Council of Thirteen and the Yeerk home world, both of which has been said to be under Andalite quarantine since the Hork-Bajir Chronicles and to the present (see Visser, p9).

#3 - The Encounter
~For someone who doesn't care about clothes, Cassie changes them a lot. In #1, p75, she has a blue leotard to morph in. In Chapter 15 of #2, they're green and purple. In #3, p35, they're pink and green.
~Tobias carries a pouch that's only two ounces, yet it carries a watch, lighter, fishing line and hooks. It should be heavier; or else Tobias is a bad judge of weights.
~Why do the Animorphs take hours to fish, when one could morph a bald eagle or osprey and catch a trout?
~Marco is a bald eagle on p149, but he's an osprey every other book.


#4 - The Message
~On p2, the two wolves were poisoned, but in #3, p26, one was poisoned, the other was shot.
~Why does Magilla have a name? She's a patient in the barn; she's going to be released. Does Cassie spend her time naming every animal in the barn?
~Chapman and Tom wonder if the bandits are human in Chapter 6. They were sure in #1.
~Ax says Hork-Bajir can't swim on p124, but Jara says he can and does in #13. Perhaps Ax was sleeping in that class...

#5 - The Predator
~Marco asks Ax when he has fought any Controller, and Ax says never. Ax fought Taxxons (a.k.a. Controllers) in #4.
~Ax talks with quotation marks when he should've used thought-speak; he was morphing from a lobster to Andalite (p56).
~Ax says <We have been in morph for forty percent of the allowable time.> when asked in the Yeerk ship. Ax wasn't in morph, so it should've been <You>. This occurs on p125.
~On p128, Visser Three says that Visser One can return to the home world, which is under quarantine (see #2 bloopers).


#6 - The Capture
~It’s nice of the Yeerks to use 'earth' months on p50. Why don't they use the Yeerk equivalent?
~Temrash says he'll be an Under-Visser. The correct term is Sub-Visser.
~In Chapter 17, Temrash says he was promoted from 252 to 114. But later in the series it's the order of your birth in your generation that determines the number assigned.
~Ax forgets the 'Prince' title for Jake on p113.
~When Temrash morphs the tiger, he listens for predator sounds. It should be prey.
~Couldn't Tom trace Jake's phone call at the end, and find it was from Cassie's dad cell phone?

#7 - The Stranger
~When Rachel leaves dinner and comes upstairs in Chapter 5, she locks her bedroom door. Then Dan knocks on the door, and Rachel says he can come in. He then opens the door without her assistance.
~There are no grizzly bears located in California zoos.
~When Jake says ‘answer’, which is split up between chapters, both are in quotes. However, they're divided to show that in the next chapter, they're back in roach morph. Thus, the other half should be thought-speak quotes.
~When the five demorph in the Yeerk cafeteria... wouldn't the Yeerks figure out that most of them are human when they don't have the shape of an Andalite (no four legs, stalk eyes, talking with a mouth). The Taxxon entrails would only obscure their features.
~Cassie shows a scar on p104, but morphing should heal scar tissue.


MM1 - The Andalite's Gift
~Why didn't the Veleek find the morphing cube? It was never destroyed, just hidden. As proven in #39, the Helmacron sensors picked up the morphing energy, which was coming from the morphs and the cube.
~Cassie says the Yeerks can't catch them in human 'morph' on p193.

#8 - The Alien
~Ax says he can't thought-speak in human morph on p27, but on p65 he does. And he does again starting in #31.
~Ax occasionally says 'Jake' instead of 'Prince Jake' throughout.
~The 62 year old Hork-Bajir war cycle (p78) is disproved when the Hork-Bajir don't understand fighting in HbC.
~The Hork-Bajir war wasn't over a century ago which was said on p111, it was in the late 1960s (thirty or so years).


#9 - The Secret
~Cassie notices three birds on p36, yet just mentions Jake and Tobias.

#10 - The Android
~Erek knows the word 'Animorphs' on p111, but no one ever told him the name.

#11 - The Forgotten
~Jake has a watch on throughout the book, but you can only morph skin-tight clothes.
~Tobias hears the group's plan on p52, only how could he? They weren't talking in open thought-speak or else the Controllers would hear. Jake thought he had left and wouldn't have directed thought-speak to him.
~Cassie uses her T-shirt as bandages on p77. But she wears a leotard to morph, so where did she get a T-shirt?
~Jake wonders if he can morph the poison out on p94, but he did so in #6 as a roach.
~There's another time skip in this book. In Chapter 19 it's 6:49 p.m., then in Chapter 20 it is 6:05 p.m.


#12 - The Reaction
~Cassie says she has the latest Nine Inch Nails CD, but NIN didn't release a CD since '94.
~Rachel talks in the third person on p57.
 
The Andalite Chronicles
~The Time Matrix is alluded to as the Time ship at the Prologue.
~On p3, Sofor is misspelled Sofar.
~Elfangor details Maximum Burn on p51 and points out time would pass faster outside the ship compared to inside. Yet the effects aren't experienced when Elfangor applies Max Burn later in the books.
~On p207, Elfangor refers to Esplin as a sub-visser, instead of visser.
~Wouldn't the sudden decompression on p211 kill Loren and Chapman?
~The Jahar is caught by an asteroid on p212, but on p217 it's falling in a black hole. Time could have passed between the two events for the asteroid to detach itself, but could humans survive without oxygen for that long?
~The Animorphs didn't come across Elfangor dying on p324; they saw him coming out of the ship first.
~Tobias and Elfangor have a conversation about their family at the end. In #1 they only stay together for a couple of seconds and part ways, but it lasts longer than a few seconds in TAC do.


#14 - The Unknown
~Tobias, Cassie and Rachel fly off from the barn, but Marco wasn't mentioned (p41).
~The group lands twice on p49 and p50.
~The group starts to demorph twice on p81 and p82.
~There are six Hork-Bajir in the House of Horrors. Rachel knocks two out, Tobias gouges out the eyes of another, and Ax poisoned a fourth. Doesn't it seem odd that all six of them are running with Visser Three a few pages later?

#15 - The Escape
~It is said that Ax would trade a Cinnabon for the Mona Lisa on p7. This should be reversed.
~Marco remembers on p16 when he saw Erek tore up Matcom, but Marco was dead before Erek went postal.
~Marco doesn't seem to have read Lord of the Rings before (as he wouldn't have just babbled in his report) but he knew about Tolkien elves in #10.
~Marco swims (on p84) but on #4, p73 he says he can't swim.
~Royan Island is mistyped Royal Island (p90).
~On p123, Marco considers that he, Tobias and Ax morph wolves. Only Marco has the wolf DNA.


#16 - The Warning
~Marco's attitude changes from the previous book. In Chapter 6 of #15, he wants Jake to admit they'll stay the same as before. In Chapter 4 of #16, he mocks Jake to think he'll go back to average.
~Rachel in grizzly morph handles a mop, which requires a dexterity that bears don't have (namely, the opposable thumb).
~Why was hanging onto the tennis shoes so important? They had to leave them behind at the airport because they'd have to morph flies to get back on.
~When Marco recounts in Chapter 14 who in the chat room is out of town and is close enough for them to reach, he mentions Chazz in both categories.
~Joe Bob wouldn't have the full three days of Kandrona Rays from eating the Yeerk, because the Yeerk isn't absorbing any Kandrona, it's losing them.

#17 - The Underground
~A new Planet Hollywood opens, but there already was one (mentioned in #10, p26).
~Ax asks what 'willies' on p30. He already knows what the definition is from #6, p78.
~When Jake decides who will go into the nut house on p32, he says Tobias shouldn't go because he doesn't have a useful morph. Tobias acquired a fly in #16, and that could work.
~If Elfangor can close his hooves off to the Yeerk vegetation in TAC, p282, couldn't Visser Three close his off when he's thrown in the Yeerk pool containing oatmeal?


#18 - The Decision
~The number of wings of a Kafit bird changes from the Andalite Chronicles to here (12 to 6).
~Why is Ax worrying about the Visser acquiring the Kafit bird; it is stated in TAC that many Andalite cadets opt for the bird as a practise/recreational morph. Alloran would have simply acquired the animal before his infestation.
~Rachel thought-speaks on p95 as a human.
~Why do the Leeran-Controllers talk in thought-speak in Chapter 21? The Leeran-Controller in #15 had his speech underlined. And when the four Leerans are freed from the Yeerks, they use the underlines again.
~Marco thought-spoke when they're acquiring the Leerans on p125 (he's human).

MM2 - In the Time of the Dinosaurs
~On 51, Tobias says that the only morph that would be useful he has is human. What about his Hork-Bajir morph, which is stronger, faster and is a walking switchblade?
~Tobias guesses his broken wing was caused from the time travel in Chapter 9. But they've traveled through time and never had that problem.
~The Animorphs cannot acquire the Tyrannosaur Rex when it's dead, but Ax says in #18 it's possible to obtain the DNA from Hewlett Aldershot from just a sample of blood. Since the T-Rex would still have blood in it, they should be able to still acquire it, dead or not.
~There's a missing thought-speak sign in the second paragraph (p220).

#19 - The Departure
~On p104 Karen's described as a human 'morph'.
~A human-Controller talks in thought-speak on p134.
~Aftran couldn't hold her side of the bargain. When she drops out of Karen's ear at the Yeerk pool, Karen would be dragged into the cages because she isn't voluntary. This would deny her access to leave the Pool; it seems improbable a small girl could outfight the Hork-Bajir guards and the Hunter Robots. Despite this, Karen meets Cassie at the end.


#20 - The Discovery
~Why would Marco want a pool on p26 when he can't swim in #4?
~Buffy is on David's television on a Thursday, when it never aired.
~Ax wonders what a human pool is used for in Chapter 10, but he knew that from MM1.
~On p112, David is moved to Jake's house. Is this a good move on the Animorphs'part, when the Controller Tom would be on the lookou for the boy David?


#21 - The Threat
~Jake notes in Chapter 1 that Ax doesn't scream while falling because his race is telepathic, however Ax screamed under similar circumstances in MM1, p197.
~On p5, David is referred to as the sixth Animorph (what about Ax?).
~Jake says Tobias will look out for David on p9, but Tobias is getting David's clothes.
~At times in #21 & #22, there are only five nations mentioned when there should be six (Germany is missing).
~Jake says it is David's first time in lion morph on p88, but David morphed lion while going to the Holiday Inn.
~When the male Animorphs come up with the plot about Tony being stuck in Washington without a Kandrona in Chapter 17, why couldn't Tony have a portable Kandrona?

Hork-Bajir Chronicles
~How can Jara Hamee know the story of the war? Seerow was taken, when he was young. Aldrea and Dak could've told him, but could he remember (he's not a seer). Then, there was roughly two generations of Hork-Bajir born in captivity. The tale is pretty long, and the only place they'd have the chance to tell it would be in the Yeerk pool (I doubt hosts get together to talk about how the Andalites fought the Yeerks, while placing the Andalites in a positive light). Even if they told it in the Yeerk Pool, it would have taken a long time (it took sundown to sunrise for Jara) and how can Jara remember it all?
~Ax mentions the Nahara in #8, p153 in reference to the Yeerks leaving their home planet, yet the Nahara are never referred to in HbC, a fairly detailed history of the early days of the Yeerks.
~Dak says on p83 that he wanted to show his people how to keep track of time, though it seems like they already have a sense of it, with 'early-warm' used in Chapter 1, and 'late-cool' in Chapter 2.
~On p97, Aldrea says Andalites are not superstitious, contradicting Ax and Elfangor's reactions to the Ellimist.
~On p135, Dak's shoulder is burned by a near miss. How can it be a miss when it hit him?
~Aldrea says she'll be a Hork-Bajir forever in an hour and a half on p193, and says that she passed the limit on p198. The events between those pages did not take that much time.

#23 - The Pretender
~Cassie uses a harrier morph on p34, when it should be osprey.
~Rachel's eagle morph is male on p51. In #2, p5, Tobias says it's female.
~Tobias 'demorphs' from hawk on p69.
~The group demorphs twice in Chapter 16.
~Bek speaks in thought-speak on p88.

#24 - The Suspicion
~Cassie is worried in Chapter 3 that Jake will see her in a bathing suit, because he's never seen her in it... he did in MM1.
~Cassie refers to her barn in the third person (p30).
~Ax is worried in p134 the Controllers at the Sharing will discover he has a human morph. But they already know as much in #5 (cop-Controller saw him morphing from human to Andalite) and it makes sense that Ax would have a human morph to blend in with the environment.

#25 - The Extreme
~The plan to turn any swimming pool into a Yeerk pool seems a little flawed. Right now the invaders prefer secrecy, so it'll be hard to explain why a slug is floating in the kiddy pool, and why they have people locked in cages.
~Erek says the Bug Fighter will pick up Visser Three in the afternoon on p17, but it lands in the morning.
~In #1, Elfangor's ship is judged to be 3 to 4 times larger than a minivan (p11), and a Bug Fighter is a little larger (p27). In #25, a Bug Fighter is detailed with the size of a school bus (p31).
~Marco's seal instincts are saddened by the loss of its mother in Chapter 20. Once again, morphing is based on DNA, no memories included.
~Jake has Tobias and Ax on him on p92, but Marco has them on p98. Since the only event in between was watching Nanook eat a seal, so I doubt that they had enough time to switch.
~When Marco goes to blow up the Kandrona base, he said that he'd been on a Bug Fighter before on p140. Only Jake has been on the bug fighter from #11, and possibly Ax.
~Marco says the pair of Venber is still looking for them in the arctic on p143. This doesn't seem consistent with #15, in which when the Yeerk base was destroyed; all traces of their presence went up with it (the shark implants liquidated). You'd think the Yeerks would plant a self-destruct mechanism inside the Venber in this instance.

#26 - The Attack
~In #6, p150, when Crayak looks at Jake, Jake looks away from his gaze. In the repeat of the scene in #26, Jake can't turn away from the Big Red Eye.
~On p68, Ax views a chart of the Milky Way, and says there is a distance of 500,000,000 light years between the Iskroot planet and Earth. The Milky Way Galaxy is only 100,000 light years across, so Ax would have to widen the map past our galaxy.
~Why would it matter if the Yeerks would meet the Iskroot in 300 years? The Yeerks are either: A) dead, B) surrendered, became permanent nothlits, or C) becomes part of The One.

#27 - The Exposed
~On p57, Lourdes speaks in thought-speak. People have pointed out "why can't the Chee thought-speak", but there's no reason for Lourdes to do that, and it's never mentioned this before.

#28 - The Experiment
~Ax doesn't understand kissing on p6. However in the Hork-Bajir Chronicles, Aldrea says Andalites kiss by rubbing palms (p189).
~Marco says Rachel always backs Cassie on p65, but they disagreed on the Ellimist's offer in #7, among other items.
~On p69, Ax says he practiced morphing a kafit bird (continuity with TAC), except he experienced his first time flying in #5.

#29 - The Sickness
~In #8, p82, Ax says Cassie's dad has glasses on. In #29, p84, when her dad catches Cassie, Cassie says that her father should get some specs.
~Cassie takes some thick books about surgery to read during Chapter 17. Then she rushes off to check on Ax, goes to Tidwell's, rescues Aftran, and does Ax's brain surgery. She recalls what the books her mother lent her said in p135... when did she get time to read them?
~Cassie sees Visser Three on p119, and says he's in his Andalite 'morph'. Later, she thinks she could go into her human 'morph' on p130 (she could morph Rachel. Except she'd still have to demorph to Cassie, and Rachel's identity has to be protected as well).

MM3 - Elfangor's Secret
~Theoretically, the 'evil' Animorphs shouldn't exist. Visser Four changed many drastic events, and the world is very different (including America). The altered events should make a completely new population as people have children at different times.

#30 - The Reunion
~Marco's morphing suit tears when he morphs into Mr. Grant in Chapter 4. However, Mr. Grant is a morph so Marco should be morphing into a naked Mr. Grant. Marco's morphing clothes would become bare skin, like any other animal. And more to the point, does morphing a person's DNA really duplicate their body fat and other things that are configured by external factors.
~When Marco enters the school on p24, he 'booked' around the corner. It should be spelled looked.
~Marco opens Visser One's bathroom door twice on p54.
~On p87, Marco's injuries from the mountain's fall remain. He would have to morph to leave the Gardens and thus heal the damage.
~Tobias is said to have left the barn to get the Chee in Chapter 17, but a little later he says that he can play an Andalite.
~In #29, p41, Cassie says there's no modem hooked up to her dad's computer in the barn, so Erek uses himself as the device. In #30, p90, Ax uses e-mail to send to Visser One, but Erek isn't around to hook them up (and a modem would need a socket to plug into, which I doubt Cassie's barn has).
~On p96, Marco is human and Jake morphs to fly to talk to Visser One. They both talk in thought-speak.
~Marco also uses thought speak on p98, while still human.

#31 - The Conspiracy
~Marco reminds Jake of the time they were in WWII (p16); Jake was dead by that time.
~Marco says not to use Jake's house phone to call Erek in Chapter 4, but Erek says his number is perfectly safe to call at the end of #10 (and considering Chee technology, it should be very safe). The Yeerks wouldn't be able to tap in.
~Chapman's wife changes from a Ms. (throughout #2) to a Mrs. in this book (p90).
~On p104, Ax morphs an osprey instead of a northern harrier.
~Tom could use his father's car to drive away from the cabin, as he could drive in the alternate reality of MM4. It would be a lot easier than killing him.

#32 - The Separation
~Rachel has piercings in her ears for the earrings; yet morphing would remove the holes. Or does she pierce them every time she demorphs?
~Nice Rachel has a conversation with her father on p61. Rachel asks "Can you tell?" and Dan responds "Tell what?" Then Dan says, "Rachel, I'm asking if you're okay..." but since Rachel said nothing, and there was no pause between his dialogue, his line of "Tell what?" shouldn't have the 2nd quotation mark.
~On p82, Rachel refers to Erek's rampage in #10 to take 2-3 minutes. In #10, p163, Rachel says it took ten seconds.
~Marco goes on a rant about the two Rachel’s on p86, and says 'hide way down' during it. Hide should end with 's'.
~How was Jake so certain that Visser Three was going to let the twins be tortured by the closing walls, and not outright killed or that the two Rachel’s would figure a way out of it (and learn to work together). What would happen if the walls crushed them?
~The last chapter really bothers me. Ax isn't sure if the procedure to combine the Rachel’s will succeed. But really, how does acquiring each other and then morphing themselves, while getting shocked by an android combine them again?
~And what happened to the extra Rachel body? Did Erek incinerate her in the shock? Hurting other creatures is against the Chee's programming (the Pemalite crystal is in the ocean).

#33 - The Illusion
~Cassie says she can't go with them on the mission as her parents would worry on p29, but she's there in Chapter 7.
~Taylor's right arm is artificial on p71, but Taylor says she lost her left on p120.
~Ax's day at school is hallucinated on p112, except Marco's quote about a bully magnet was from Ax going to the theater.
~Elfangor is a War-Prince on p128, yet he was a Prince previously.
~Taylor thought-speaks a few times in Chapter 23.
~On p140, Hork-Bajir blood is green blue. In #13, p48, it’s a mix of red and green-blue.

#34 - The Prophecy
~On p43, the Arn asks Aldrea if she knows where the weapons are. Aldrea admits that she doesn't know but can find them again, and no one objects. Then in Chapter 17, Aldrea admits this again, Cassie accuses if this as though she never said it, and everyone's mad at Aldrea. Why didn't they complain back on Earth?
~On p88, Aldrea says that Bug Fighters destroyed her scoop. The Bug Fighter was created after Aldrea's home was blasted in HbC.
~On p105, 'Mother Sky' is called 'Father Sky'.
~Toby thought-speaks on p144.
~Why would Cassie keep her wings for so long? In #2, she correctly points out she wouldn't be able to fly with wings with a human body's mass. So why would she keep them when she's whale size?
~Cassie mixes morphs (she morphs a bird, then human, then whale, combining them) in Chapter 22. This is impossible; you must morph to your original body before beginning another morph (see #49, p5).
~The group is forced to make an opening in the tree to escape in Chapter 24. This will destroy the Yeerk Pool, which is considered the only way out. They could have instead turned the ship 180 degrees to make the hole.

#35 - The Proposal
~In Chapter 4, Ax is in human morph, yet he talks in thought-speak. Why would he when he loves making mouth sounds?
~Marco starts mixing morphs because of stress. However, every day, the Animorphs are stressed about getting caught by the Yeerks, then tortured, infested or killed. Jake's stressed because of Tom (#31 especially) and leadership stresses. Tobias gets stressed out from all his problems (suicide, shortage of food, thoughts of being human again all in #23, Taylor) Cassie gets stressed with her moral compromises (#43). Ax gets stressed out wondering about his folks, and staying on Earth. Did they mix up morphs? NO! Marco's dad getting married again is stressful, but everything else should be too.

Visser Chronicles
~In the Hork-Bajir Chronicles, the Council of Thirteen is said to not have known about the rebel Yeerks (p7) which would place them on the quarantined Yeerk home world. In Visser, the Council of Thirteen has mysteriously left the Andalite quarantine and is on a ship.
~On p3, an Andalite oddity is said to be the lack of a mouth. Why did Ax seem so amused by mouths before if they're said to be commonplace in the galaxy?
~In The Andalite Chronicles, the Ellimist tells Elfangor that Yeerk scouts have arrived at Earth. This is during the 1980s when Loren was pregnant with Tobias. However, Edriss was the first to come to Earth, amid Operation Desert Storm in the early 1990s.

#36 - The Mutation
~On p7, Hahn is on a metal operating table, but on p9 he's on bales of hay.
~How do Hahn and Jara become friends? The only place they would do that freely is the Yeerk pool (where you're usually crying, screaming, begging).
~On p12, it is said to be the day after Hahn's death, after school. The first two chapters happened at 3 a.m. So Chapter 3 could be 24 hours + the school day (let's say it ends at 3 p.m.) making it 36 hours after Hahn died. Yet it is also stated in Chapter 3 that only hours have passed since he died. It seems as though less time has passed then has been told.
~On p15, Ax says the Pemalite ship isn't too deep. In #27, p152, Erek says the depth can only be reached by an android, which sounds much too deep.
~Jake and Marco are surprised about the Sea Blade coming from the grocery store on p21. Yet Marco saw the Yeerks do this trick in #24. Why aren't they prepared now?
~Jake sees the hologram before Marco, yet attributes Marco to yelling out hologram on p21.
~Jake is tossed upward by an orca morph on p49. Rachel says she lifted Jake up, but there are two sperm whales. And only Rachel and Tobias has that morph.
~On p86, why didn't Queen Soco speak in English in the first place, if she knew it was so common?
~How do the Nartec get a supertanker across two seas on p107? That would've taken lots of manpower, a long time, loss of resources, etc. Of course, they are pretty desperate.

#37 - The Weakness
~Andalites have hyphens placed between first, middle and last names. In this book it's only between the middle and last (during Chapter 1).
~On p44, Tobias has a line of dialogue spread across two paragraphs. However, the thought-speak quote at the end of the first paragraph is still there, when it should be deleted in cases like this.
~Cassie says her niece loves Blue's Clues on p47. In #31, Jake says Cassie is an only child. It's hard to see how Cassie can get a niece between those books.

#38 - The Arrival
~Mr. King is beaten by two Controllers. His hologram is changed to show bruising, but wouldn't the Controller's fists go past the hologram and into the steel underneath? (#45 illustrate this when Marco's dad touches Erek underneath his hologram).
~On p2, one Controller points out if they kill Mr. King, Visser Three will execute them for wasting a host body. This suggests that they already told the Visser about the situation, otherwise it would be ridiculous that they told him knowing they would be killed. The other Controller suggests that they incinerate the body and Visser Three will never find out. Incinerating the body wouldn't stop Visser Three inquiring into what happened, so it seems as though they didn't tell Visser Three yet.
~Ax forgets Jake's prince title a few times.
~Estrid calls the ship the Crusader on p66, yet when Mr. King checks the records in Chapter 21, the ship is named the Ralek River.
~A dropshaft has a door in this book (first seen on p66) yet in #5 and #7, dropshafts had no doors (Marco and Rachel could see the occupants inside it as well as out).
~Ax says that you should never have four eyes on one spot on p67, but in #7, p110 he looks at the tube with all four.
~On p73, Aloth says to Ax that he can kiss his tail goodbye. A) That's a human phrase. B) Ax is either unknown to the concept of kissing (see #28) or else it means to rub your palms against your tail blade.

#39 - The Hidden
~How did the buffalo get the morphing power? It's implied that someone with the morphing power has to touch the Escafil device along with the receiver (Elfangor and Ax hold it in #1 and #20), but Cassie sets the cube away from her.
~Cassie's bones shift twice in Chapter 6.
~Cassie thought-speaks while human on p93.
~The ant does not seem to put Cassie in the acquiring trance in Chapter 17. She isn’t immune to the trance like the dolphin in #15, as she falls under it in #4, p146.

#40 - The Other
~In Chapter 3, Ax hooks up the VCR to burn every show on TV onto a CD... that's an incredible amount of data that'll be taken up.
~Ax and Marco couldn't see Mertil was missing half a tail on the tape? You don't need hawk eyes for that.
~Why would Tobias say it isn't Arbat on the tape (p15)? Arbat's dead. They should wonder if it's Gonrod.
~Marco says no one is watching his back when he demorphs on p19; Tobias is.
~On p21, Alloran is mentioned as being only slightly smaller than the huge Gafinilan. In spite of that, Alloran is said to be 'not especially large' in TAC, p46.
~Elfangor is referred to as "War-Prince" on p21, when he was only a prince as he died.
~It's odd that while Gafinilan is expecting Visser Three in the forest, the Visser never shows up.
~The Nine-Sifter conflict the Andalites are tied up in is called "Rakkam Garoo" in #38, except in #40 it's "Garroo".
~Gafinilan refers to his fighter ship as a plane on p56.
~Ax refers to Gafinilan as "Commander" on p27. On p54, he's "War-Prince".
~In #6, Jake says to never morph a bee because of the ant episode but five members morph a bee in this book.

MM4 - Back to Before
~Jake recalls the time he morphed into a termite on p8, except he was the one who didn't.
~There are some points in the series where the Animorphs mention they're writing the books (Jake says he's writing this all down in #1, and Rachel says she always wanted to pen "It was a dark and stormy night" in #2). No one can write MM4, because everyone forgets it except Cassie (who will only have a vague sense of it anyway).
~In #4, p126, there are twelve Taxxons to fight the gang; in MM4's repeat (p71) there are six to attack Ax.
~How does Ax transmit thought-speak onto the television stations? Thought-speak has a range, and TVs wouldn't have a thought-speak receiver.

#41 - The Familiar
~On p138, Hork-Bajir blood is now purple blue (look at #33 mistakes).

#42 - The Journey
~Why don't the Animorphs acquire and morph Helmacrons or Marco from the inside? It wouldn't be at the same shrunken ratio (i.e. the anteaters in #24). They can partially morph Marco until they're large enough, and can fight the Helmacrons, instead of hoping they'll die.

#43 - The Test
~Taylor didn't tell Tobias what time to meet her at Borders.
~In Chapter 10, Rachel buys a couple of T-shirts. Where does she hide that money on her leotard?
~How did Ax manage to modify Taylor's weapon, as said on p91?

#44 - The Unexpected
~The plane is heading from California to Sydney, Australia, yet Cassie jumps out into the Northern Territory. The plane should have already passed Sydney if it was flying over Piti Springs. The Yeerks did keep the plane engaged in flight and anesthetized the crew, so it's possible to have passed Sydney by. However, the Yeerks would have to change the direction and compass heading radically to reach the Northern Territory (and there doesn't seem to be any point in doing that). Of course, if the plane did continue on its flight plan, Cassie would land in the Pacific Ocean or Antarctica.

#45 - The Revelation
~Marco tells his dad he has about twenty morphs (p41). It's over forty.
~Marco acquires a Hork-Bajir on p85 before boarding the Bug Fighter. He already has one from #34.

#47 - The Resistance
~Jake and Tobias morph regular clothes on p69, contradicting #54, p89 when Jake says they never mastered morphing it.
~Tobias refers to the Trekkies as watching too much Star Wars on page 83. Tobias is a Trekkie himself, shown in #13, p158. He should know that the campers have acted in a similar way to greeting alien life on Star Trek, as well as making a mention to the Federation.
~The Hork-Bajir don't seem to make a big move from their valley, all they did was move a little closer to the suburbs; this should make it easy for Visser One find them again. He knows exactly where they are, that they haven't all died, that the Animorphs visit there. And yet, Visser One never bothers to look for them again.

Ellimist Chronicles
~In Chapter 25, primitive Andalites use their tail blades to defend themselves, but on p107 of the Hork-Bajir Chronicles, Aldrea's mother said Andalites of that time hadn't developed their tail blades.
~Erek says in #10 that the Pemalites had FTL when Andalites learned fire. But in EC, the Ellimist goes to the Andalites, then 100,000 years pass, and he creates the Pemalites. So the Andalites couldn't learn how to make fire in all that time?
~In MM2, Ax said his planet wasn't different from prehistoric Earth, but in EC, the Ellimist goes to a primitive Andalite home world, spends 100,000 years, then goes to Earth with dinosaurs.

#48 - The Return
~Crayak thought-speaks on p108 and the Drode does so on p87. There are a few other instances of this happening.

#49 - The Diversion
~On p67, a Wheel of Fortune contestant buys a vowel after a spin. My understanding is that you would buy a consonant after a spin, and a vowel before.
~On p77, Mr. King talks in thought-speak.

#50 - The Ultimate
~Jake wants to quit being the leader, but he said he stopped fighting that notion in #36, p5.
~On p29, Jake says Marco told him he had to be leader, but that was Tobias in #1, p59.
~Cassie picks up Tobias on p131, and says all he needs to do is demorph and remorph. Tobias is already a hawk, so the order should be reversed.
~Pedro never got the morphing power, even though Jake and James made a promise.

#51 - The Absolute
~On p40, Marco says he knew Jake since second grade; in #4, p16 they've been friends since diapers.
~The Animorphs knew about the governor in #6; by #51 they know nothing, not even the gender.
~On p132 someone named Armstrong opens the door. But the only people there were Animorphs, the governor, Collins, MacDonald, and unidentified aides.

#52 - The Sacrifice
~In #50, p95, it's stated that there's 17 auxiliary Animorphs in total. This observation comes before the blind girl Elena is recruited, which would make the final count 18. But in #52, p10, Ax says there are 17 auxiliary members, when he should have said 18. I don't believe that one of the members died between those books to keep their member count drop back to 17; #53 supports this with the reactions to the death of Ray. Elena is supposedly an auxiliary, in #53, p108, one of the members was blind.
~The Animorphs have gone from junior high to high school, yet Chapman has stayed as assistant principal.
~Timmy's name from #50 changes to Tuan.
~Jake and Marco thought-speak for a bit in Chapter 8, while human.

#53 - The Answer
~Ax said the other Animorphs don't use their real names in #52, p3. So what's the point of Jake telling us he's Jake Berenson, if Jake is a fake name?
~On p15, Jake notes how fog can form down in the valley. But they had left the Hork-Bajir valley back in #47, and had gone into the hills for hiding. So they have gone back to the place the Yeerks have already discovered, and yet they never attempt another raid. This stretches the plot hole from #47 even larger.
~Jake feels guilty when flushing the Yeerk pool, but why didn't he in #34 when he destroyed the Hork-Bajir home world Yeerk pool?

#54 - The Beginning
~Rachel sees Jake on the bridge as a Bengal tiger (p11)... it's supposed to be Siberian (in #1, p142).
~QUOTE: <Jake, stop her!> the Yeerk screamed with Tom's mouth. (Tom was in snake morph, so he couldn't yell, let alone with Tom's mouth). This occurs on p21.
~Rachel can't write about her time on the Blade Ship as she dies there.
~Toby thought-speaks on p25 and 27.
~Cassie says Jake never called her 'Cass' on p117. He did in #3, p27.
~In the Letter to the Fans on p157, K.A. says there's five MMs. There's only four.
 
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: amy_animorph on January 08, 2009, 09:54:32 PM
actually I don't remember where I heard that...

I read that somewhere too, but it definitely wasn't a book. It might have been this one old fic on FF.N, but I don't know.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: wolfev on January 08, 2009, 10:20:45 PM
This is like the 20th of my old posts that was revived recently. Doesn't that seem a little weird?
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: morfowt on January 08, 2009, 11:53:27 PM
This is like the 20th of my old posts that was revived recently. Doesn't that seem a little weird?
not if you made a lot of good topics...
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Gafrash on January 18, 2009, 08:32:37 PM
Should there be a K.A.S.U. for telling where thought-speak comes from?!
I think at the beggining of the series, they describe it as a voice in your head that you can't tell its where its direction is from. But towards the end of the series, the opposite seems to occur.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: goom on January 18, 2009, 08:34:12 PM
Should there be a K.A.S.U. for telling where thought-speak comes from?!
I think at the beggining of the series, they describe it as a voice in your head that you can't tell its where its direction is from. But towards the end of the series, the opposite seems to occur.

i've kind of noticed that as well.
she never said that they could tell, but it really seemed like it.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Chad32 on January 18, 2009, 08:56:29 PM
I don't think they can tell exactly where it's coming from. They can just tell that the closer a person it, the louder/clearer the thoughts are. So when it starts getting clearer, you know you're getting closer.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: goom on January 18, 2009, 08:58:46 PM
I don't think they can tell exactly where it's coming from. They can just tell that the closer a person it, the louder/clearer the thoughts are. So when it starts getting clearer, you know you're getting closer.

that's true.
i remember thought-speak getting 'faint' when somebody is far off.
so you can tell distance, not direction.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: morfowt on January 18, 2009, 09:19:50 PM
supposedly, you can't tell the "voice" of thought-speak either, cuz it was mentioned they couldn't tell whether it was cassie or marco saying it cuz they were both in the same osprey morph...
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Chad32 on January 18, 2009, 09:27:45 PM
That was probably retconned. I don't see why thought speech wouldn't have a personal tone. That would mean all Andalites sound exactly the same.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: goom on January 18, 2009, 10:03:11 PM
supposedly, you can't tell the "voice" of thought-speak either, cuz it was mentioned they couldn't tell whether it was cassie or marco saying it cuz they were both in the same osprey morph...

yeah, that would make sense, since it's not like normal speech. i guess K.A. changed that later on.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Liz on January 19, 2009, 12:48:42 AM
Maybe as they became more experienced with thought-speak they developed the ability to distinguish direction and different voices and all that.  That's the only explanation I can think of other than KA just changing her mind about how it worked.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: goom on January 19, 2009, 01:14:55 AM
yeah, it'd be difficult to voice emotion via though-speak if you couldn't lower/raise your voice.
i guess she turned it into regular 'private' talk.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Gafrash on January 19, 2009, 08:13:58 PM
Maybe as they became more experienced with thought-speak they developed the ability to distinguish direction and different voices and all that.  That's the only explanation I can think of other than KA just changing her mind about how it worked.
That actually sounds like a good enough explanation. Experience. Simple as that.
For both the characters AND the author, who had done a good establishment of these things as the series developed.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Green armadillo ette on February 04, 2010, 07:59:11 PM
There is also the one where Erek's name is spelled Eric. It's on page 24, paragraph 3 in either the book where Ax morphs a cow/bull or the Illusion or the Arrival.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: OllieRaiden on February 06, 2010, 01:50:02 PM
In regards to the not being able to distinguish thought speech debate.
I recently reread The Hork-Bajir Chronicles, and when Aldrea morphs Alloran, she uses thought speech, as well as her appearance, to fool the guards in to thinking that she is Alloran. When she uses the computer, it also says something about thought speech recognition, knowing the voice was Alloran's. Haven't got the book to hand right now, but I'm fairly sure that was the case.

And, with that in mind, the idea of thought speech becomes even more confusing.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Chad32 on February 06, 2010, 07:15:56 PM
I guess if the person is capable of tlaking, then it will be their voice that they speak with. When Cassie morphed Rachel and spoke, it was Rachel's voice because it as her vocal chords. Same way with Alloran's thought speech. right?
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Ss112 on February 07, 2010, 08:18:47 AM
There is also the one where Erek's name is spelled Eric. It's on page 24, paragraph 3 in either the book where Ax morphs a cow/bull or the Illusion or the Arrival.

That also happened in #45. Erek is spelt "Erik" once.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: MoppingBear on February 07, 2010, 10:51:39 AM
There is also the one where Erek's name is spelled Eric. It's on page 24, paragraph 3 in either the book where Ax morphs a cow/bull or the Illusion or the Arrival.

That also happened in #45. Erek is spelt "Erik" once.

its entirely possible the animorphs never saw his name written and have only heard it said so they dont know how to spell it.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: King D on February 07, 2010, 07:46:04 PM
I guess if the person is capable of tlaking, then it will be their voice that they speak with. When Cassie morphed Rachel and spoke, it was Rachel's voice because it as her vocal chords. Same way with Alloran's thought speech. right?
In 41, The Familiar, when Jake goes to that alternate future thing he meets Tobias in Ax morph.  At first Tobias uses Ax's voice and then changes to his own human voice.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Chad32 on February 07, 2010, 07:49:16 PM
I guess they can do both if they want to.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Aluminator (Kit) on February 08, 2010, 01:24:13 PM
I guess that would make sense- Ax in human morph apparently has the ability to thought-speak (sometimes  ::)), so why shouldn't someone be able to use either voice in a thought-speak capable morph?

Interesting side note, thought-speak must not be gender-differentiated. Rachel speaks to Visser 3 on many occasions, and he never realizes she's female. With Andalite attitudes towards females, you know it would have caused a lot of problems if he'd realized some of the "Andalite Warriors" he was fighting were female.

I like to picture Visser 3 with a thought-speak voice like Alpha from Up ;D
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Gafrash on February 11, 2010, 11:55:39 PM
Yeah, good point on the gender thing. But also the age thing. Kinda like when you can tell by the tone of the voice, whether it's a toddler, a kid, a teenager, an adult, or a person of the third-age. I too wondered if Visser 3 could tell if he was speaking to a teenage girl, and not a male Andalite warrior.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: OllieRaiden on February 21, 2010, 07:06:57 AM
I have a possible addition!

In 'The Andalite Chronicles', Elfangor is introduced to books. "The bound papers were called books or magazines. Loren had explained them to me. A sort of extremely primitive computer file."
But doesn't Ax call books more advanced, thus implying that Andalites have books too?
Title: Thought speak mistake...?
Post by: IamElfangor on April 22, 2010, 07:12:53 PM
I may be way behind the times, and this may be one if the most talked about things on this forum, but why can't the Animorphs use thought speak outside of a morph? Jake did in book oneThe Invasion when Tobias morphed Dude (his cat) in Jakes bedroom, but after that it was said it couldn't be done. I am late to the series and have read up to book 32 and andalite and Hork bajir chronicles and 'egamorphs 1-3, so no spoiler replies please.
Title: Re: Thought speak mistake...?
Post by: Kitulean on April 22, 2010, 07:13:33 PM
Very well known KASU (Katherine Applegate Screws Up) Short answer? After the first book came out, she changed her mind.
Title: Re: Thought speak mistake...?
Post by: goom on April 22, 2010, 07:51:43 PM
merging this with the 'KASU' thread.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: DeadlyNightshade on April 30, 2010, 03:08:02 AM
I already made this post in the quick questions thread, but I think it'll feel more at home here.

I have no idea if this has been asked before, and I can't be bothered reading through every single post.
Nor am I sure that I should be posting it in this thread ^_^

I'm reading Book 6 right now, and Jake is currently a controller.
When he tries to escape using the ant morph, I get confused.
Visser 3 says, in Book 3 I think, that it's a pity the cat's brain is too small to be infested.
The Yeerk isn't a part of Jake, and therefore shouldn't be able to morph into something as small as an ant.
I imagine the Yeerk would be smushed, or forced out or something of the sort.
I had the same thought at the end of the series when Tom morphs the Snake, surely the snake's brain is too small for infestation.
I think somewhere (though I may be wrong) there's mention of small morphs not being useful for a Yeerk with a morph capable host.
But if I'm wrong, how exactly does this whole morph capable controller morphing into something smaller than the Yeerk in it's brain possible?


It confuses me is all.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Chad32 on April 30, 2010, 08:56:31 AM
I think the idea is that the Yeerk gets pushed into Z-Space and controls the host from there. I asked this question regarding Visser Three's multiheaded morph. I asked why Alloran wouldn't just take control of the other seven heads and bite the eighth one off.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Aluminator (Kit) on April 30, 2010, 01:19:50 PM
Yeah, the Yeerk would have to morph with the host for any of that to make sense. If you can morph an ugly spandex morphing outfit, you ought to be able to morph an alien slug in your brain.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: DeadlyNightshade on April 30, 2010, 08:45:37 PM
But the Yeerk has a different DNA pattern to the morpher.
Spandex is just Spandex lol.
Though, I don't see how they'd be able to morph that either, even if it's not living.
The entire thing just confuses me.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: arzwlf on May 01, 2010, 07:58:01 AM
LOL, im willing to bet the spandex had no scientific rationale, but simply was there to avoid the inevitable embarrassing scenes as 5 adolescent kids morphed around each other. would have gotten old and repetitive.

the yeerk thing is very interesting, it may be a KASU, it may be a "i want morphing yeerks, to heck with the laws of physics i have already defined" it isnt a KASU if its a conscious choice to ignore her own arbitrary scientific laws.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Chad32 on May 01, 2010, 08:07:11 AM
The spandex thing is willing suspension of disbelief. At least it was minimal, instead of morphing coats and stuff.

They did it easily on the TV show, but that's obviously justifiable.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Aluminator (Kit) on May 03, 2010, 11:15:57 AM
LOL, im willing to bet the spandex had no scientific rationale, but simply was there to avoid the inevitable embarrassing scenes as 5 adolescent kids morphed around each other. would have gotten old and repetitive.

the yeerk thing is very interesting, it may be a KASU, it may be a "i want morphing yeerks, to heck with the laws of physics i have already defined" it isnt a KASU if its a conscious choice to ignore her own arbitrary scientific laws.

I wouldn't say it's ignoring the standing laws of Animorphs physics. Let's face it, basically everything we know about the morphing technology itself is speculation based on what we've observed, and I can't recall any time we're given direct evidence that morphing a Yeerk shouldn't work. Let's face it, Visser 3'd been doing it the entire series by that point, including the occasional smaller morph. It just adds another variable to the equation of the morphing technology.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: DeadlyNightshade on May 09, 2010, 05:09:32 AM
I always assumed that the Yeerk would have to rearrange itself to fit around the morphed brain.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: arzwlf on May 09, 2010, 05:27:37 AM
I always assumed that the Yeerk would have to rearrange itself to fit around the morphed brain.

im sure that would wpork for alot of the larger animals, but something like an insect? that would require something a little more interesting.....i like the yeerk in Z-Space remote controling the host concept.....
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: DeadlyNightshade on May 10, 2010, 05:50:19 AM
Yeah that's why I never understood how it worked.
I'll accept the Z-space thing lol.

I vaguely remember a yeerk trying to morph something too small and feeling very uncomfortable during the shrinking process and having to give up though..but I don't know where from.
Maybe I imagined it.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Shenmue654 on May 10, 2010, 07:44:59 AM
I actually never even thought about this before you mentioned it here! XD

But then again, my suspension of disbelief abilities are quite strong. I:

(1). Watch children's movies. As in a whole lot of them; I prefer interesting world settings. Watch sci-fi movies and liked Animorphs for nearly the same reason. So I need one hell of a cliche-ignoring and disbelief-suspending part of my brain. ^^;;;

(2). Have LARPed easily and effectively even into my middle school years. And I did it with Tara too...and do it in some fashion when my friend comes over for sleepovers. This requires a huge suspension of disbelief to work, and a powerful imagination. And okay, no shame. x3

So I just kind of passed Visser Three morphing and still being able to control Alloran as something the villain had to do to be formidable. The science of it never even occurred to me. I personally think us grumpy adults overthink things too much, fun as it can be. :3
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Alic on May 10, 2010, 08:03:13 AM
I feel like suuuuch a kid cause I haven't picked the book apart and thought too much about it.
I still read the series and happily accept it for what it is. :)

You guys make my poor  brain hurt.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Myitt on May 10, 2010, 08:12:10 AM
I think since it is pretty much explained that morphed mass is extruded (there's a nice image..xD) into z-space, the Yeerk's mass, along with the human (or Andalite, or whatever) brain it is wrapped around, is also sent to z-space, where it continues controlling the ant or the eight-headed monster or whatever other implausibly un-Yeerkish morph.  Like what Chad had said.

Another justification: Why would a Yeerk morph itself to death?  It's the one controlling the morph, it's thinking about morphing its host body, and it is paper-thin (cell-thin?) around the brain, so it's pretty clear that it just gets sent along with the rest of the morphed mass. 

Now here's a thought.  What if the host had the power to morph, and somehow fought the Yeerk for control, and started to morph something small for just long enough that the Yeerk couldn't stop the process?  Then I think they would both die from squished-Yeerk-out-the-skull, but it's pretty unlikely that a Yeerk would allow that to happen.

Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Shenmue654 on May 10, 2010, 08:19:10 AM
Yeah but then there's the fact that when the Animorphs saw what the mass in Z-Space actually looked like, it wasn't pretty. I guess the brain would have to survive that intact in order for the morphing process to work as it does. However, it was never fully explained why that worked and yet the body was a half inside out mess.

I think we're just overthinking it. Visser Three's the badguy, so by ancient trope laws he has to either have equal/better opposite powers to the heroes or the same powers but more badass. The latter is what appears in Animorphs, and I just never really even thought about it too much. Though I did think quite a bit about the Visser back when he was actually really evil. ; )

Curse you villain decay! D<
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Myitt on May 10, 2010, 08:45:19 AM
Yeah, the z-space mass is presumably all sloshy in its z-space bag of holding, but it must be still functioning and intact, otherwise they wouldn't be alive in morph.  They were inside-out and messed up when their bodies themselves were directly transported out into raw z-space.  I think the Yeerk would still be wrapped around the brain, both of them whole, in z-space with the rest of the mass. 

If the Controller morpher wasn't morphing something tiny like an ant, but just small enough that say, half of its mass was sent to z-space, at what point would the Yeerk get shifted to z-space with the host brain?  As soon as the host brain is changed enough that it's no longer the normal host brain anymore?  Or does the brain shift first, since it's in control?

Can a Yeerk ever directly leave a morphed host body, or is it just flatout impossible?  Can Visser Three leave his human morph directly?  I'd vote for impossible, because we know that morphed Controllers no longer have a vulnerability to Kandrona starvation (I'm thinking about the Yeerk-hawk that Ax lets go in....52?  53?)...and on top of that, it just doesn't make sense, the morpher's brain (along with the host's brain) should be the first thing sent to z-space for protective purposes.

And speaking of brains, now my head really is gonna explode x3
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: INH on May 10, 2010, 09:10:04 AM
Re: the extruded mass getting put into a big sloshy blob-

Actually, in #18 The Decision, an accident causes the Anis' consciousnesses to be shunted to their extruded mass.  They don't end up as randomized, inside out blobs.  In fact, they find themselves in what sure looked like their normal bodies.  Everything was in the right place, including organs, bones, skin, and even their morphing outfits.  After they are picked up by a passing space ship, they don't have any problems thinking, talking, walking around, or even morphing.  The only complication is that whole "popping back into Z-space one by one" thing.

So there actually is some pretty solid canonical evidence that the extruded mass does not end up messed up and inside out.  I worked out a pretty detailed theory based on this a while back, but I don't think I need to repost it here.

As for the question of whether a yeerk could leave a morphed host-I don't think that exactly happens in the series, but something kind of like it happens in the Hork Bajir Chronicles.  When Aldrea refuses to demorph, Esplin comes up with the idea of infesting her and making her demorph, so he pops out of his host and crawls into her ear.  Esplin gets pulled out before he can try this, so we don't know if it would have actually worked.  Come to think of it, Esplin probably didn't know either.

And yeah, this is pretty confusing.  My head's starting to hurt a little too.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Aluminator (Kit) on May 12, 2010, 12:42:04 PM
Controller-Jake morphs an ant in #6, and Visser 3 is seen morphing "something small" in #38. The controllers later in the series are frequently doing bird morphs, the skulls of which are probably smaller than the Yeerks themselves. There's no way for any of that to work unless the Yeerk is morphed with the host. I just wonder if it kind of happens naturally, or if the Yeerk has to make a conscious effort to affect that like the Animorphs do with their morphing outfits. My guess would be that a Yeerk could actually choose not to morph with the host, so Esplin's forcing Aldrea to demorph would have worked, in theory, assuming he'd survived the transformation of her brain.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: aareavis on May 13, 2010, 01:30:42 AM
I had a thought the other day that could explain away the most KASU of all.  You know, when Jake supposedly uses thought-speak while still human to talk to Tobias.

This can be explained pretty simply.  Maybe humans are beginning to evolve thought-speak.  A lot of creatures in the aniverse use thought-speak and some use a little mouth-speaking also.  I believe the Iskroot still made mouth-sounds and the helmacrons had an audible laugh.  So maybe in the aniverse, humans are just beginning to evolve this ability and sometimes things get through.  :D
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: VisserZer0 on May 24, 2010, 11:51:13 PM
Could be, but I don't think it's very likely. I think we would have heard of it again later in the series. Also, the Anis repeatedly state that thought-speak is impossible while not in morph. Nice theory thou, I never thought of that!
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Aluminator (Kit) on May 25, 2010, 09:49:37 AM
Maybe Tobias was just faking Jake out, guessed what he was trying to do, and pretended to hear him just to mess with his head.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: VisserZer0 on May 25, 2010, 08:26:46 PM
That seems a bit OOC for Tobias. Sounds more like something Marco would do.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Aluminator (Kit) on May 26, 2010, 01:49:30 AM
Haha... in that case, we're back to it just being a KASU :P
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: MoppingBear on May 26, 2010, 08:47:38 AM
Its not THAT ooc for him, but the fact that it was never mentioned again, and in later books they just know they can't do it is what makes it a KASU.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: VisserZer0 on May 26, 2010, 06:28:50 PM
Hence the "a bit"
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: MoppingBear on May 27, 2010, 12:22:44 AM
Hence the "a bit"

but i mean, i could see him doing it, hes quiped back and forth with marco enough times, he definitely has a sense of humor.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: VisserZer0 on May 27, 2010, 12:40:58 AM
Yeah, but that wasn't really an appropriate time. He was trying to show Jake that it was all real, Elfangor was right. I don't think he'd try to mess with Jake at that time.
Title: Re: KASU
Post by: Tim Bruening on July 19, 2015, 10:57:35 AM
I know there are a lot of KASU's out there. Lets list and comment on some of the best ones.
Here is the link to the KASU's. http://www.geocities.com/sbsa01/kasu.htm (http://www.geocities.com/sbsa01/kasu.htm)

Some of my favorites include:

51 Jake and Marco have friends since second grade but in 4 they were friends since in diapers.
Explanation Sometimes people still have accidents

26 Why does it matter that they yeerks will meet hte Iskoot in 300 years if they will have been defeated?
Explanation Have they been defeated?

The Invasion: Tobias gets clawed up by his cat while morphing his cat.  After morphing his cat and then demorphing, he still has a sliced finger the next day, which the morphing process should have fixed.