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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Chad32 on October 02, 2009, 10:08:06 PM
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It seems Rachel is the only one that chooses a battle morph, uses it for a while, then decides to use another, and goes with that one. Why do you think that is?
Ok, Cassie went through the first mission with a horse, then changed that come book 3. But I don't think that really counts because horses can't do much in a fight. I don't even know why she didn't pick anything at the Zoo while Rachel grabbed an elephant.
Tobias also did the Hork-Bajir thing, since Hawks aren't great for battle either, but he still goes hawk a lot.
So why do you think Rachel is the only one?
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Partially just coincidence. I mean, she finds her ideal morph in book 7, and likes it so much she sticks with it. On the surface, at least, that's all there is to it.
But partially, I also think it's somewhat telling of her character. I mean, she went out looking for that bear because, well, the elephant was just not bad-a$$ enough. The only reason Cassie ever changed her morph at all was because horses cannot fight, and even wolves aren't that great for fighting, but it was good enough for Cassie, because, well, she's Cassie. Rachel was really the only character who, after fighting Yeerks for a while and 'getting into it' the way that she does, would decide "Hey, I think I need more firepower! I'm going to go find a bear."
Good question, by the way. Not many people think about things like that.
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that whole thing was kind of wrapped up in the plot of that book, I mean, Rachel's dealing with all of these *identity issues* now that her dad is leaving town: what does this do to my family, what does this do to me? I kind of look at her acquiring the bear as like running across hot coals at the end of a motivational weekend retreat or something--I CAN TAKE CARE OF MYSELF. The fact that she chooses a bear, in my opinion, is secondary to the fact that she chooses to acquire it by herself.
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I haven't read it in a little while but wasn't there a practical reason, as in, she had to invade an office building and needed something powerful to get through the doors, and the elephant was just too big? Mebbe, I can't quite remember now. Interesting thought, though!
Although I do think that Tobias morphing a Hork Bajir to fight is a little silly. I know he identifies with them, but it's like making yourself equal to an enemy who also outnumbers you, he has the chance to get something bigger and badder and not only that but it's really easy for him, all he has to do is fly in and give something a tap on the head and fly away again, whereas the others generally have to poke something with fangs on the nose while in human form. Which is a leetle risky.
Also book seven was the first I ever read, I was dead confused but as soon as she turned into a bird and flew out the window I was completely hooked.
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After his misadventure with a Dolphin, Tobias is probably a tad leery of trying to acquire creatures. Though he does get an elephant or rhino morph during the David trilogy.
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After his misadventure with a Dolphin, Tobias is probably a tad leery of trying to acquire creatures. Though he does get an elephant or rhino morph during the David trilogy.
I believe he morphs elephant. I think it said that Jake and Marco were the only ones in rhino morph, everybody else went elephant.
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Yeah, I wasn't really sure who was who, except that Ax remarked on his nose. so he was elephant. Jake and Rachel already had relevant morphs. I wasn't sure what Tobais, Cassie, and Marco were.
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yea you're right, jake and marco went rhino lol i love that scene
rachel actually used the elephant a good amount through the series, she was the only one that really had a secondary battle morph
but yea acquiring the grizzly was definitely a big part of that book and what she was going through, especially when she first morphs it and just lets the bear take over into a bloody rage
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I don't even know why she didn't pick anything at the Zoo while Rachel grabbed an elephant.
That is something I would like to know too...
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Though it is noticable that, even though she morphed a horse, she is the first Ani to kill someone. I mean, the police officer controller died. Right? I would have liked to throw that in her face when she came up with the idea of getting rid of David.
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Anyway, battle morphs aint just about power anyway. Since there were only 6 of them, they had to be as versatile as possible
Marco - Gorilla - The most dexterous of the battle morphs, since he has fingers. He can actually open doors, something a tiger can't.
Rachel - Grizzly - POWER! 1337!
Jake - Tiger - Best reflexes and battle instinct. If Jake went Howler tho he could have wiped out the entire Hork-Bajir army by himself with nothing but a baseball but.
Tobias - Hawk - Sight, he can see what the others might miss, and make them evade at just the right moment.
Cassie- Wolf - Stamina, in case they need to track down somebody escaping.
Ax- Andalite- the flag, to convince they're Andalites. The tail is also badass. :)
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Anyway, battle morphs aint just about power anyway. Since there were only 6 of them, they had to be as versatile as possible
Marco - Gorilla - The most dexterous of the battle morphs, since he has fingers. He can actually open doors, something a tiger can't.
Rachel - Grizzly - POWER! 1337!
Jake - Tiger - Best reflexes and battle instinct. If Jake went Howler tho he could have wiped out the entire Hork-Bajir army by himself with nothing but a baseball but.
Tobias - Hawk - Sight, he can see what the others might miss, and make them evade at just the right moment.
Cassie- Wolf - Stamina, in case they need to track down somebody escaping.
Ax- Andalite- the flag, to convince they're Andalites. The tail is also badass. :)
Hey cool that actully makes sense.... appart from cassie. When i was reading the books i always imagined that cassie took a relitivly weak battle morph because she dident really want to finght. I always imagined that she would be at the back keepimg here enemy killing to a minimum :-\
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It does make quite the versatile team. Sometimes I just think it would be better if Cassie was the Gorilla, and Marco was the wolf. And Jake was a lion.
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Considering how the Hork Bajir were described as seven foot tall razor blades, I often wonder how a hawk or wolf did any real damage at all.
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The Howler was really a missed opportunity. Absolutely nothing could have seriously harmed Jake other than a Dracon to the head or a few of Visser Three's more dangerous morphs. Plus, Howlers have enough offensive power that the howling is unneccesary in 99% of situations. I know they had to keep Jake as Tiger to keep them from being overpowered, but still.
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And Jake was a lion.
I disagree. I'm kinda glad he wasn't. I feel like lions tend to get too much "screen time" in comparison to tigers, if you know what I mean.
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And Jake was a lion.
I disagree. I'm kinda glad he wasn't. I feel like lions tend to get too much "screen time" in comparison to tigers, if you know what I mean.
I know what you mean! And I agree!!
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Thank you Mira. Of course, male Siberian tigers are larger and about two hundred pounds heavier. And in most places where both are included lions always turn out to be the leaders. It's a bit cliche.
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You're probably right. Give other big cats more screentime. But as far as Cassie goes, a wolf morph has no other choice but to go for the throat. So picking a morph that can nonlethally incapacitate would have fit her more.
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Considering how the Hork Bajir were described as seven foot tall razor blades, I often wonder how a hawk or wolf did any real damage at all.
Tobias always went for the eyes, but yeah, I often wondered why he didn't get injured during battles more. I looked it up online, Red Tails weigh about 3 pounds. You'd think one good swat from a Hork Bajir would have taken him down pretty effectively.
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That's right, I saw a red tail on a documentary once. It was fighting with a fox about a rabbit, and it seemed very clumsy. Not like an animal that would be able to fight a battle with an alien who can move that fast.
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yeah, but that's the animal fighting, with animal tactics and animal battle understanding.
With the pairing of human intellect, Tobias was able to gain enough speed, and choose the right H-B to take them out without getting hit.
Also Tobias struck when the fight was in full swing. Not many H-Bs were staring at a bird in the sky waiting to strike when they had 5 other targets right in front of them.
Tobias was the perfect scout/artillery fire.
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I think Cassie's morph was perfect for her nature and her position on fighting. Wolves have no choice but to kill. They can't hurt or maim, they kill or run. And that fits Cassie perfectly. She either doesn't kill at all, or she takes out whatever will kill her.
A lion would have been a bad choice because it's too flashy. A lion couldn't stalk it's prey unless it was surrounded by grass. A tiger can duck under cover without having to worry about its hairdo giving itself away. It has approx the same power and speed, but a tiger can be sneakier
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Yeah, Rachel's change in battle morph was one of necessity. Her elephant is too big in many situations. Also the elephant can't manuever very well, it's very slow. Sure an elephant can gain speed, but it takes a bit. The bear is more versitile than an elephant.
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I found Marco perfectly suited to the gorrila, the gorrila is big and powerful, but it can have fun and be funny when it wants to. Marco never really wanted to be a part of the fighting, so it's understandable why he would choose a less than lethal choice, plus Big Jim can still be a crack up.
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Tiger all the way... No question there. I also thought it would've been cool if someone had a Black Panther.
Also, Rachel did use her Elephant morph on many occasions as a battle morph... but the grizzly was just so much more "her"... Blind battle fury and raw power... It's really the only good fit for Rachel or the grizzly...
For some reason it always struck me as kind of awkward when anyone went into battle as a snake... Anyone else? I dunno, it just seems to me to be like more of an assassination weapon than a battle morph...
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lollll yes there was that one battle Marco was whipping Ax around like a bullwhip and I just felt so much second-hand embarrassment like "um Ax has probably the coolest battle morph out of all you guys why are you wasting it..."
I think they did use it to pretty good effect in #21, though, when it was like a stealth thing to see if the Hork-Bajir were real or not.
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was that when they were going around trying to tag the Horks with venom?
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There were a few times, right? Marco in the David trilogy a few times, and I can't remember other times... I think a rattlesnake by Ax, and Marco might have done the Cobra some more...
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I'm fairly certain that no one used a snake as a regular battle morph.
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You're right... I'm saying it was weird when they used it in battle at all...
Sorry if that's off topic...
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No, not at all. Your post seemed to entail that they had someone as a snake each battle, I was just clarifying that the snake morph was only for specific purposes.
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I agree that Rachel's decision to acquire the Grizzly was a psychological decison. She was confused about the thing with her dad leaving and also more nervous than she let on about going back to the Yeerk Pool. There's also the more practical reason that Elephants can't always be used in a battle situation due to their extreme size and weight, but I think that was just the logic she used to justify doing it. The fact that she went and acquired it on her own and didn't tell anyone speaks volumes.
I know Cassie's wold morph is frequently considered to be too weak for some of the battles they went through, but I think the wolf morph is underestimated. They're strong, fast, have super enhanced senses and reflexes as well as excellent stamina, a valuable trait in a long fight. There's also no reason why she would be forced to kill her opponents. Taxxon Controllers are incapacitated my minor wouds and Humans can easily be disabled by a nasty bite on the hand, arm or leg without mortally wounding them.
All the Animorphs ended up with more than one battle morph later on (eg. they all morphed Polar Bears) but they rarely used them unless they had to because it made sense to stick with what they knew was reliable. Diversity made them stronger anyway, as proved when they all went Polar Bear in #37 and Cassie was captured.
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There's also no reason why she would be forced to kill her opponents. Taxxon Controllers are incapacitated my minor wouds and Humans can easily be disabled by a nasty bite on the hand, arm or leg without mortally wounding them.
I meant mostly H-Bs. Although, once a Taxxon is wounded, he's normally gobbled up by his buddies. And they had a policy about not killing humans, so I didn't mean them.
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Anyway, battle morphs aint just about power anyway. Since there were only 6 of them, they had to be as versatile as possible
Marco - Gorilla - The most dexterous of the battle morphs, since he has fingers. He can actually open doors, something a tiger can't.
Rachel - Grizzly - POWER! 1337!
Jake - Tiger - Best reflexes and battle instinct. If Jake went Howler tho he could have wiped out the entire Hork-Bajir army by himself with nothing but a baseball but.
Tobias - Hawk - Sight, he can see what the others might miss, and make them evade at just the right moment.
Cassie- Wolf - Stamina, in case they need to track down somebody escaping.
Ax- Andalite- the flag, to convince they're Andalites. The tail is also badass. :)
yeah i wonder why Jake never tried using the Howler in battle especially at the end when they were in huge trouble. i mean he could have infiltrated the Yeerk pool and just howl a song in there
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Maybe there was some concern about Jake using Howler since they were made by Crayak and since the group generally accepted that Crayak hated Jake more than any of them they, Jake included, might all have believed that the howler would give Crayak some sort of power over Jake, and didn't want to risk it, and I say all of them because I'm pretty sure that if the other animorphs had made the request Jake would have used the howler.
At the same time, until a certain point I'd have guessed that they didn't use the howler morph either because it would damage them all (though less than the hork-bajir) and because it would cause injury to noncombatants, i.e. hosts in cages if they used it in the yeerk pool, or perhaps even out of concern for the hork-bajir hosts themselves should they howl at them and fail to harm the Yeerks and just drive the Hork-Bajir crazy, but like I say, until a certain point, if concern for themselves and involuntary hosts was the only reason for not using the howler I honestly don't see why they wouldn't use it in the end.
Heck if I'd been Jake in the ending arc I'd have practically lived in my howler morph and I'd have wore a big sign on my back saying "no seriously, bring it"
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Heck if I'd been Jake in the ending arc I'd have practically lived in my howler morph and I'd have wore a big sign on my back saying "no seriously, bring it"
lol... haha... Love it...
I think you're right about the 'not harming others' thing... I mean, Jake wasn't even sure the first time that he should risk morphing the howler... I think they probably figured it was too big a risk for not enough benefit... I mean, the big benefit of the howler would be unstoppable combat prowess and damage-dealing capacity... and the Animorphs weren't about that for the most part... (except maybe Rachel...) They were more about "let's try to limit the collateral damage that this war brings to earth"...
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yeah i guess that is a very good reason. but if it came down to die or fight i would go howler i mean if the rest of the Animorphs are in morph it wont hurt them . just make sure Ax morphs something for battle instead of him being himself.
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There's also the question about just how much the howl would affect Hork Bajir in the first place... lol... j/k
Seriously, though... the howl did affect all the Animorphs when they were in morph... That's the reason they got their butts kicked against that first one...
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if i remember correctly the Howl of the Howlers is made to hurt intelligent life. That is why Aximili ran away. The others were unaffected. well teh howl was loud and it hurts your ears liek any loud sound but it was nothing like your ears bleeding and stuff like with Ax
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"Someone exploded a hand grenade in my head. I clamped my jaws tight, but all else was a blur, a swirling, mad blur."
Sure it's not bleeding-ears worthy, but I would hardly call that "unaffected"... That could mean the difference between dodging a Dracon beam and being crispy fried Siberian tiger steak... Or, in the case of their first run-in with the Howler, the difference between having a clue and getting a dagger in the neck...
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Ah so i guess i didn't remember it well enough well it would still be good in a one man mission or something or in case of an emergency. But i guess it was probably to scary to use anyway.
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I actually think you guys have a point. The Howl wasn't the Howler's only weapon. They were nearly impossible to injure, they had those metal Wolverine claws, and they kind of had a lazy-susan waist so they could use momentum from blows against their opponents. I mean, Crayak also armed them to the teeth, which I doubt is written in their DNA, but even with all of that, they're probably a better fighter than a Siberian tiger. And the howl may have been impractical, but if they were ever in a pinch it would have made an exceptional last resort.
idk. I'm kind of surprised, thinking back on it, that she didn't make some handwave to remove the Howler's DNA from the game, like she did with the dino-DNA in MM2. Or maybe she did, and it was just implied, since we were screwing with Crayak and the Ellimist and those two can basically do whatever the hell they want.
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Of course all the weapons the Howlers had wouldn't be in Jake's arsenal cause they don't come with the DNA but they were quite powerful. I'm sure if Jake would have been able(or wanted) to use it without having to use his howl he would have defeated many enemies. I mean with all of them fighting they couldn't even take one down so it takes a lot of effort to defeat a howler. and if he was alone one on one with Visser 3 i would have gone with the Howler morph.
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Don't forget the teeth... And the regeneration... And the vital-organ-sensing vision...
I wouldn't have been surprised if Jake in Howler morph (after some practice) could have taken on V3 in quite a few of his morphs... And certainly any number of HBs and/or Taxxons in hand to hand...
But you're probably right... It did seem unofficially "handwaved"... like, maybe no morph that they acquired during that whole thing stuck... *shrugs* Who knows?
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That would actually be an excellent morph to attack V3 with, since no matter what he morphed, Jake should find a way to hurt him.
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Although, wouldn't Jake have that connection to Crayak that all of the other ones did?
Maybe that's why he didn't use it that much.
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Crayak's only connections with the Howlers are that he made them, and they were his personal army. Just being one didn't give you any mental links or anything with Crayak. The reason Crayak made them child-like was because he couldn't/wouldn't directly control them.
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I'm not sure Jake shared the Howler's collective memory... If he had, then they could have just dumped all the memories into Jake while he was in Howler morph... They wouldn't have had to risk another encounter just to subdue one of the real Howlers...
But that just leads to a whole other conversation on just how much like the real thing the Animorphs were in morph... Did they retain their own minds? Their spirits? Clearly, when they morphed bugs, they weren't as dumb as bugs...
So... Just how much of the Howler's mind did Jake's morph have? Just the instinct? Surely not the memories...
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I think a morph's brain has no more than instincts, but Howlers have instant hive mind with other Howlers. He'd be able to gain memories from other Howlers, which is why Crayak kills Howlers that fail.
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But that's what I'm wondering... If he had the instant Howler hive mind, why weren't his memories in the collective Howler memory when he morphed it? And why couldn't they dump all of their memories into him in Howler morph? Wouldn't that have been a lot easier?
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lol that was my one big problem with the book.
I think you're totally right. The way the Howler collective mind was established, Jake's memories would have been dumped into their consciousness the second he completed his morph. All of that nonsense about buying memories and loading it into the cylinder and plunking it on the Howler's head was filler as far as I'm concerned.
All the same, I think #26 might very well be the best-plotted book of the series.
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Yeah that is the only thing i think that would make Jake not use teh morph I think he was afraid that teh Howler hive memories will dump into his brain. Than again didn't what he did in 26# make Crayak kill off teh Howlers so there wouldn't be a hive mind.
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He killed off the Howlers on the planet that they were on. But he still used them. Remember the Ellimist telling them that the Howlers try to hug the next race they encounter?
And didn't the memory link work on Jake when he first realized that they were children? Or was that just him feeling the child-like instincts?
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I guess yeah i dno why i thought Crayak killed them after they did the kissing XD..( cause if i was him i would have XD) I think Jake only felt the instincts but he was never clear on that so can't say that 100%
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It was stated quite explicitly that Jake felt the collective memory while he was in Howler Morph.
However, due to the way the collective memory works, when Jake morphed Howler, his memories would not be added to the collection. The only things that would be added were things that he would actually experience in that morph.
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In that case, my question remains... Why not just put the memories into Jake while he was in Howler morph?
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Because his previous memories are already in his head, you can't put memories from one person back into their own head.
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or maybe they just didn't think of that... that's always possible...
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Or it's just too easy. KAA wanted cool and complicated
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Bah! I'm gonna hold firm... I don't think that Jake could actually access the Howlers' collective memories... I think he just sensed that it was there... like instinct... Just like he couldn't access Homer's memories the first time he morphed him... but he could still tell that dogs have memories...
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I'm with you about the Howler stuff. Their collective memories are a physical trait. Like thought-speech is a physical Andalite trait.
Homer's memories, and Fluffer McKitty's memories, however, are not. And I think the fact that Jake and Rachel could sense them in the first two books are actually sort of a KASU.
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When did they attain the animal's memories? I don't remember that.
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Jake-as-Homer in book one knew about the nasty dog next door or something, and I KNOW Rachel said something like "and I could remember BOTH my mothers--my human mother, and the cat mother who nursed me" or something when Melissa was petting her, which made her start purring. And I'm sorry, that kind of stuff is just not carried on DNA.
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Jake-as-Homer in book one knew about the nasty dog next door or something,
He knew about the dog because he smelled him.
I don't remember the second one.
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yeah but iirc there were some rather intimate details like "he'd been tearing up my flowers for quite some time" or something
or maybe the point was just to show how powerful dog's smell is. IDK IT'S AN IFFY ONE.
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Or because it's Jake's dog, and Jake's family has had problems with a dog digging up their flower beds.
What is "iirc"? I've seen that a bunch of times and I've no idea what it means.
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If I recall correctly
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Oh, that makes more sense then. Thanks.
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I remember the Rachel one... it was kinda iffy... :-\
But yeah, I don't see how they could actually retain memories from morphed animals...
*cough*
Just don't see it...
*sniff*
Nope...
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THAT'S DIFFERENT THEY WERE *COLLECTIVE MEMORIES* THEY WERE NOT THE RETAINERS OF THE MEMORIES, JUST THE ACCESSORS
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I'm confused... This is a very strange thread... :(
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THAT'S DIFFERENT THEY WERE *COLLECTIVE MEMORIES* THEY WERE NOT THE RETAINERS OF THE MEMORIES, JUST THE ACCESSORS
1st) Calm down, there's no need to shout.
2nd) What are you differentiating about now?
3rd) We've gone horribly off topic, time to either drop the subject, or start a new thread, here: http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,4007.0.html
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Way to go, Spartan! Saving my insanity!!! :)
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jesus h christ on a cracker I was defending you
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I'm still really confused... :(
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I remember the Rachel one... it was kinda iffy... :-\
But yeah, I don't see how they could actually retain memories from morphed animals...
*cough*
Just don't see it...
*sniff*
Nope...
weren't you referring back to the issue with howler collective memories here?
Because even if they can't access memories through DNA, I still think your qualms with #26 are valid. Once Jake morphed to Howler, he should have perfect access to the collective memories, ie, he is NOT the holder of those memories, he is only the ACCESSOR, which the DNA should have given him the ability to do.
So yes, I was coming down, rather hard, on your side.
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Yay, everyone's friends again!
Please get back on topic.
I wish that the Animorphs could've gotten a Kangaroo morph. How sick would it be to see a Kangaroo go UFC on a Taxxon?
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Did Cassie attack a Taxxon in the Australia adventure? I believe she does morph the Kangaroo, but it's one of those morphs that's used once, and never again.
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if I could get a battle morph, I would use Parker because he has such an authoritative way about him. You'd just tell the Yeerks to stop infesting humans and they would!
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Haha, thanks ;D
+1
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Did Cassie attack a Taxxon in the Australia adventure? I believe she does morph the Kangaroo, but it's one of those morphs that's used once, and never again.
She did, a female specifically. And I believe that Cassie hopped into the middle of a lake and drowned the Taxxon. And I don't think it was ever used again -- "on-screen", anyway.
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That sucks. That would've been cool.
I still wonder why the Animorphs never combined DNA from Andalites to create their own. That way they'd have a kick ass tail.
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You mean a Frolis Manuever on Andalite DNA, or did I misunderstand something Parker?
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Yeah, that's the term. I can never remember the Andalite terms.
They could've acquired different Andalites and used the Frolis Manuever. But they never did.
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It might have been a technique more advanced than Ax could teach on his own.
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well first of all, they didn't encounter too many andalites. and when they did, I'm sure they had other things on their minds than cool scorpion tails...
besides, they'd have to ask permission from each one of them. how likely is an andalite going to give them permission to morph them?
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They wouldn't morph them, they'd use that manuever. They could've used one of the crashed Andalites. The non-sick one. I can't remember his name.
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what's the point of using the maneuver if you're not gonna morph it?
and I do believe you need more than one andalite (and best several) to do it.
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Ax, Gafinilan, and Myrtil would probably be enough for them to make some Andalites that looked convincingly different, but I'm not sure what they would use the morphs for. Would it help convince the Yeerks enough that after all this time they really were Andalites? I'm not sure.
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Yeah, it would definitely erase suspision that the andalites are human if they all had an Andalite morph. Plus, they'd have a wicked morph. Awesome deadly tail, the stamina and speed of having four legs. The increased tactical advantage of being able to see in all directions.
Andalite morph would be great.
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Gafinilan had a DNA-related disease. if they tried to acquire him, wouldn't they acquire the disease as well?
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That's why I said, "the non-sick one." ;D
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well then you only have 2 andalites to work with... you're not gonna get much variation...
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They had a whole ship of them in book #18.
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Oh yeah. I forgot the DNA disease. But would that really matter in the short term? In that book, he was still quite potent. Though he was near sighted, the introduction of new DNA may have averted this. During a two hour time persiod, ther effects shouldn't be too bad. Just don't go nothlit, or the disease will take its toll.
Just try to grab Gafinilan's tail. Mertyl's arms because five beefy armed Andalites will make the Yeerks (or at least V3) suspicious. Mertyl or Ax's eyes, or mix both. And mix in all three fur/hair colorations.
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They had a whole ship of them in book #18.
but would any of them actually give the animorphs permission to morph them?
I wonder if you can even control how the DNA mixes, or if the maneuver automatically mixes the DNA itself. Ax's human body was a balance of the 4, so I'm guessing he couldn't control what parts of the 4 his human body had (probably a good thing).
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well then you only have 2 andalites to work with... you're not gonna get much variation...
sure it would, they would all just be "siblings"
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not if what i just realized is true, that you can't control the result of a frolis maneuver. if the frolis maneuver just balances all the traits of the multiple morphs, you can only create one unique morph from combining the DNA of two people.
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what do you mean "balances the traits"? How do you balance blue eyes and brown eyes? Or whether you have dimples or not? OR GENDER? (Sorry I totally ETA'd that but I need to get my point across) Some traits are simple "yes" and "no," some traits are averages. Just like when a man and a woman love each other very very much and can make a pretty nearly infinite amount of genetically unique children.
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I'm not sure. It's complicated.
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easy, the eyes are a blend of blue and brown, just like ax's hair and skin was a blending of their colors.
as for dimples, a few dimples here and there, just like ax's hair had a "little of cassie's curl".
the frolis maneuver isn't the same as producing offspring though. nature selects one gene or another. the frolis maneuver doesn't select one gene or another though. or at least, ax's wasn't one gene or another.
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morf that is just not at all how genetics works
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We're talking about a whole different universe here, KA's universe. In her world, it could work that way.
And, really, even we don't know how genetics work.
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lol what
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics
you guys do read stuff besides Animorphs, right?
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weren't you referring back to the issue with howler collective memories here?
Because even if they can't access memories through DNA, I still think your qualms with #26 are valid. Once Jake morphed to Howler, he should have perfect access to the collective memories, ie, he is NOT the holder of those memories, he is only the ACCESSOR, which the DNA should have given him the ability to do.
So yes, I was coming down, rather hard, on your side.
Thanks, anijen, for backin me up... :)
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What do you mean other things? I know not of these other things of which you speak? :P
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I was pretty sure Animorphs was the only thing to read out there... ::)
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well, I mean as long as we all can agree that babies are delivered by storks, dinosaurs roamed the earth with humans, like in the Flintstones, the world is flat, and the Earth is the center of the universe, then no worries you know?
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Well I like liver. :P
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lol what
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics
you guys do read stuff besides Animorphs, right?
last I checked that was made by human's knowledge of genetics, and last I checked human knowledge of genetics did not include the morphing technology or the frolis maneuver. how do you know the morphing technology can't/doesn't manipulate DNA so genetics do work like that...
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well, I mean as long as we all can agree that babies are delivered by storks, dinosaurs roamed the earth with humans, like in the Flintstones, the world is flat, and the Earth is the center of the universe, then no worries you know?
And that Earth is only 6,000 years old.
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And that Earth is only 6,000 years old.
Actually, I do believe that the earth is less than 10,000 years old...
And anyway, I agree that "in world" the Andalites were far ahead of humans on almost every scientific level. We got basic math and science stuff wrong, according to Ax, so why not the genetic stuff too?
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last I checked that was made by human's knowledge of genetics, and last I checked human knowledge of genetics did not include the morphing technology or the frolis maneuver. how do you know the morphing technology can't/doesn't manipulate DNA so genetics do work like that...
Because it's said at least once in every single book that the morphing technology uses DNA, not phenotype, to function. So if you're melding two strands of DNA, not just two Andalites, then there are a nearly infinite number of ways for those two strands to merge. There is science there, and you can't just ignore it because the fiction is currently impossible. It is called science fiction for a reason.
ETA: JESUS CHRIST ALL OF YOU ARE AGAINST ME AREN'T YOU LOL
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I just have one request:
Please, don't let this turn into another "Intolerance & Discrimination" thread. . . .
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Awww... Don't take it too hard... :)
We all love you on the inside... ;D
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I just have one request:
Please, don't let this turn into another "Intolerance & Discrimination" thread. . . .
christ I can't do anything right can I
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You have a sense of humor about yourself -- something "You-Know-Who" never did . . . and you've never threatened to shut us down. . . . So, yeah, I was a bit harsh. But I posted that statement as a precaution.
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that may be the case but that doesn't change the amount of times I've slapped myself in the forehead reading this thread.
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So, let's just agree to disagree.
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openly, fine, but internally I'm sticking to "I'm right and they're so, so wrong"
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We all do, jen. We all do.
Well, except for me. I've been feeling indifferent about this subject.
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Great! So, everyone's happy and no one gets disembowled! What a happy situation! ;D
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Yeah, can we get back on topic, please?
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So what about combining different animals in a kind of frolis manuever to create the best battle morph ever?
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It just doesn't seem realistic to combine an eagle and lion to make a gryphon, and excpect everything to work well enough to fight.
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That's very true... I guess it was a flawed idea...
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you can't really control morphing (unless you're a really talented estreen), so you can't control what parts of an animal you morph. those parts might not combine well together. I mean you can try to get a lion with eagle wings, but you might end up with an eagle with a full-sized lion head... both animal parts completely useless...
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Not only that, but it would be just about impossible for even the most talented Estreen in existence to get the combination just right so that everything would work perfectly...
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It just doesn't seem realistic to combine an eagle and lion to make a gryphon, and excpect everything to work well enough to fight.
And even if teh parts were proportionate that doesnlt mean their internal organs will match plus with teh lion body there is no way teh wings will cause lift.
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On the topic of Frolis Maneuvers, what happens if you combine the DNA of two members of a species, one completely normal and the other with a major genetic-based disability? Are you half-crippled?
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Please stay on topic, if you have an off-topic question, create a new topic solely for that question.
What other battle morphs do you think the Animorphs could've utilized? They covered almost the whole animal kingdom.
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I think they covered just about everything. Anything else would probably be a bit redundant. Like using other cat morphs when Jake has a tiger. Maybe camels, though they weren't in the desert very often. And there aren't any camels in California anymore.
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hahaha, yeah. They already did the desert thing when Cassie was in Aussie, didn't they?
Hey, going off of your initial post, would you say that this topic is covered? Or are there any other questions you have?
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I think that covers about everything.
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So you'd be cool with this thread being locked? Otherwise anything else is idle, off-topic chatter.
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It's fine, if someone wants to do that. Nine pages is plenty for a good topic.
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If anyone wants this thread unlocked for a legitimate reason, just notify a staff member.
*locked*