Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Azguard on September 25, 2009, 12:54:45 AM
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or destroyed for that matter?
We know of the usual suspects, the Gedds, Taxxons, Hork-Bajir, and the lone Andalite. But a bunch of other species are just briefly mentioned, and other aliens, like humans, might be at different stages of Yeerk invasion.
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A few Leerans have been infested, but never the entire population.
Other races are briefly mentioned. A few Ongachic (the Ongachics are a nomadic race, if I recall correctly, so their entire race would never have been infested because the Yeerks couldn't hunt them all down). The Sstram and the Mak are mentioned only in book #6, never shown, and never brought up beyond that. The Garatrons were supposedly being tried as a new host race, but only one Garatron-controller ever appeared in the series.
As a final note, there was a war going on on the Anati homeworld at around the same time as the war for Earth. So I can only assume that the Anati were another host race, whose planet was at about the same stage of infestation (maybe not quite) as Earth.
Did I miss any? Good question, by the way.
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what about the Hawjabrawn (sp.?) ?
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iirc they couldn't infest the hawjawbran or w/e because their brains were distributed throughout their body
I actually think dinosaur nailed them all. I mean...the Venber? But they were automated and they all died. They couldn't be infested either.
As far as destroyed, I think it's fair to call the Arn a victim of Yeerk genocide
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I've always wondered this, and I think we've discussed it before. They never really say, except the ones mentioned already.
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Perhaps the host has to be a certain kind of intelligent, with the right brain structure. Otherwise the yeerk wouldn't be able to interface.
This brings up another point: if the memories of the host become as the yeerk's own, what about the mind itself? Could a yeerk draw upon the unique brain structure inherent in most geniuses?
(And since someone brought up the Anati) I've often wondered what was going on in the Anati system. They seem to be giving the yeerk empire a run for it's money, seemingly with little or no help from outside sources. Sounds a lot like the situation on Terra. If I had any skill whatsoever, I'd write a Fanfiction off of this. As I do not, feel free to take it and run.
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for some reason I've always imagined the Anati as a mix between traditional greys, and the bug creatures in Star Wars Episode II.
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As far as destroyed, I think it's fair to call the Arn a victim of Yeerk genocide
which i think is the stupidest thing the yeerks could do..
why go out and conquer worlds to have bodies when you can just build the prefect one from scratch?
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haha I never thought about that before, but you're totally right. The Arn couldn't be infested but that doesn't mean they couldn't be compelled.
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Yeah, that's another thing. The Yeerks could force the Arn tio create various bodies. But no one thought of the kinds of possibilities in bioengineering. Positive or negative.
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haha. Maybe the Yeerks don't think like that?
btw, is it possible to infest a Yeerk? or create a virus that specifically infests Yeerks?
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that's exactly what Estrid did
and I still don't see why you can't make a Quantum Virus that just kills Yeerks.
So the Yeerks don't roll in making their own host bodies, and the Andalites don't roll in quick, merciless genocide.
ALL THESE STANDARDS! UGH!
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I think it was the 3% chance that Humans could be harmed that was the reason for not liking the idea. Not that I agree with that. Seems like excellent odds to me.
"Alright Mr. Norris. We need to surgically remove your appendix. Now there's a very, very, small chance that we could really **** up and kill you, but we'd like to take that chance as it would save your life."
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Alien species have all been mentioned, but there are also some animals who were controllers.
In Book 14, the Unknown, the Yeerks made controllers out of a few dozen horses in order to infiltrate Zone 19.
In Book 16, the Escape, the Yeerks were attempting to modify shark brains to use as controllers, but their underwater facility was destroyed by the Animorphs.
That's all I can think of.
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You are all forgetting the Nahara. They're mentioned smewhere in #8 (or so the Anibase says. I don't remember) as a species the Yeerks have infested. What about the Orff? Were they an actual species or just from Jake's alternate world? And if they were real, did the Yeerks infest them?
I think the mission in the Anati system failed, as Visser One was sentenced to death by Kandrona starvation. At the end of Visser, the Council told Visser One that the Anati system was her last chance, so I think it's safe to say that she failed there.
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I think it was the 3% chance that Humans could be harmed that was the reason for not liking the idea. Not that I agree with that. Seems like excellent odds to me.
3% of 7 Billion is 180 Million.
How would you like to be responsible for the deaths of 180 Million people?
But no one thought of the kinds of possibilities in bioengineering. Positive or negative.
Actually, remember the Iskoort? The Isk are boiengineered bodies that only live as long as a Yeerk or Yoort infests it.
Perhaps the host has to be a certain kind of intelligent, with the right brain structure. Otherwise the yeerk wouldn't be able to interface.
This was explained when the Yeerks tried to infest hammerhead sharks. The hammerhead sharks couldn't be infested until their brains were enhanced.
This is my 3400th post!
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I'd still take it. It's just a very small percent of the population.
Of course, someone is going to say "part of that 180 million could be every single person you know and love!".
But does it work that way? 3% chance that it would effect Humans at all doesn't mean that it may or may not effect 180 million people.
I don't know if the Orff were controllers, but since all the vital organs on the Orff were invisible, would that make the Yeerk inside invisible too? Or would it show up somewhere on the Orff? I don't know.
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That's always the question with invisibility. Does it extend to what ever you touch or touches you? If so, why wouldn't cars be invisible? If not, is it really worth it if you have to be nude to be invisible?
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the Nahara. ah yes. interesante. kinda sounds like Sahara.
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Reporter Lady: "Mr. Invisible Man? Are you there?"
"Yes, I'm right in front of you."
"Can I ask you, how do you turn your clothes invisible?"
"I can't."
".................AA AAAGGHH!" *runs*
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Hahaha, nice.
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I think it was the 3% chance that Humans could be harmed that was the reason for not liking the idea. Not that I agree with that. Seems like excellent odds to me.
3% of 7 Billion is 180 Million.
How would you like to be responsible for the deaths of 180 Million people?
Actually, the book says that there was only a small chance (it didn't specify the exact percentage) that the virus could mutate and become contagious to humans. So it's not just like it would only affect a small percentage of the population. It would be more of an "all-or-nothing" thing. Once it became contagious (however small the chance of that happening might be), it could hypothetically affect everybody. Human race go bye-bye.
So, yeah, I think I might have to agree with Ax on that one. That wasn't an acceptable risk.
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I'd rather take my chances with the virus than with the Yeerks, but everyone's entitled to their opinions.
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Well Chad, it might have been an acceptable risk if the Yeerk invasion was more widespread, and if something like one in six people on earth were infested.
But as far as the book series indicates, the Yeerks had only infested California as that was the one place their pool was, other than their pool ship. And it was the deaths of only about 17,000 Yeerks that caused them to surrender. This would indicate that the number of hosts was probably so small as to mean that even a miniscule risk of causing a disease to spread to humans would be too great compared to killing the Yeerks on earth.
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Actually, the book says that there was only a small chance (it didn't specify the exact percentage) that the virus could mutate and become contagious to humans. So it's not just like it would only affect a small percentage of the population. It would be more of an "all-or-nothing" thing. Once it became contagious (however small the chance of that happening might be), it could hypothetically affect everybody. Human race go bye-bye.
So, yeah, I think I might have to agree with Ax on that one. That wasn't an acceptable risk.
That's one thing I hate about that book. That changes in the middle. It starts off "Oh the Yeerks that are affected might die in their hosts' heads and then swell up or something and cause the host to die," which, by itself, isn't that big of a deal. The hosts, at that point, may very well accept death over infestation, and, like we've said, there probably weren't altogether too many human hosts to start off with.
THEN when Arbat is going to dump the virus into the Yeerk Pool (which wouldn't affect the hosts since they're NOT IN THEM), it's all "Oh waah wait it might mutate and affect humans like we said earlier remember except I said something different but now I change my mind and forgot to edit the earlier thing Ax wait why don't u lyke me anymore :("
To go back to how many humans are controllers, though, I think the ambiguity can be blamed solely on the chapter one recaps that start every book.
This may be a new post, and if it is, my apologies, but the thing about those recaps is that annoying as they were, you always had to read them. Why? a) Because usually, you'd get Erek popping up out of no where or some other plot impetus that got the story rolling and b) Very, very rarely, you would get new information.
Sometimes there are thousands of human Controllers.
Sometimes there are tens of thousands.
Sometimes there are "who knows how many humans the Yeerks have infested?"
Sometimes, someone you know might be a Controller.
Sometimes, it's for certain that someone you know is a Controller.
Sometimes, we humans are totally outnumbered.
And sometimes, there's only 17,000 Yeerks on deck to infest the entirety of the human race.
I mean, part of it is that the Animorphs themselves don't know what the **** is going on, but part of it is also that the authors could never quite seem to figure out just how big the Yeerk threat is.
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Well yeah, I think maybe there's progression? Maybe the threat grows faster than we had realized.
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it was ridiculous that the yeerks restricted themselves to california.
I think th Yeerks had six species
Gedds, Hork-Bajir, Taxxons, Nahara, Mak, Sstram.
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Well, they had to start somewhere.
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In Book 14, the Unknown, the Yeerks made controllers out of a few dozen horses in order to infiltrate Zone 19.
aha! that's what i was trying to remember.
yeah, animals would be a good choice for yeerks.
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Yeerk/animal nothlits would be better. :P
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true, i'm saying that assuming they never got the morphing power.
a nothlit is always a better choice than a controller.
or even a morph-capable yeerk; wouldn't morphing 'reset' the 3 day limit for kadrona rays? (assuming they could be trusted)
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Hey, there's a question, would morphing reset a Yeerk's need for KR?
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well, since tobias 'fed' the hawk and then morphed into a human to finish the food with rachel, we can assume that his hunger didn't just 'reset' when he morphed (otherwise, why would he do that?)
it might be similar, but i could be wrong.
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Still... curious.
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i wish KA had answered more of these-type questions.
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maybe he finished just to be polite?
does DNA carry hunger?