Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Chad32 on June 20, 2008, 07:18:08 PM
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Those species were said to have been totally conquered, like the Hork-Bajir and Taxxons early in the series. However, we don't really read about any of them past when they were first mentioned.
In this thread, talk about things that are mentioned once, but never expanded on.
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the 5
idk why i always remember them lol
yeah i remember jakes yeerk was gloating about it, the animorphs did mention seeing a few aliens in the yeerk pool they didnt know.
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I think when they mentioned the unknown aliens in book five as they escaped the blade ship, it was Gedds. Not a whole lot of research went into this thought, but that was what I thought they were.
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yeah i havent done any research ethier lol
i seem to remember it alot though, who knows, im not one of those guys who remembers every single detail :\
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It's one of the earilier books, so either they did not enslave the Sstram and the Mak (completely annihilated the species instead), or it was KASU. However, the former is more likely to be true.
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well maybe it was just because they werent suitable for any tasks on earth, like they arent good for fighting or they are used for some special environment like the leera, meh who knows, maybe KA just wanted to leave things open to introduce a few more alien-controllers if she got bored with HB and taxxons lol
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maybe they need a gas other than nitrogen or oxygen the two main gases in the earth's atomsphere, to survive. I find it hard to believe that every species in the universe lives off of oxygen or nitrogen...
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maybe they need a gas other than nitrogen or oxygen the two main gases in the earth's atomsphere, to survive. I find it hard to believe that every species in the universe lives off of oxygen or nitrogen...
Well, no. I think it's said that the atmospheres of the Yeerk and Andalite worlds are different from Earth's. What Loren puts on the breathing helmet in Andalite Chronicles, she still suffers a little because the air is meant for Andalites and not Humans.
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then how come they don't have trouble breathing on earth?
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Yeah, I think if the Yeerks and Andalites can hang out on their homeworlds and on Earth with no problem (and Andalites can live on the Yeerk homeworld, even if the air is harsh, I think that's mentioned in the Hork-Bajir Chronicles) then the Yeerks' hosts would probably be able to live in similar environments. I think Edriss also mentioned that a planet of creatures that breathed methane would do little good to the Empire, in Visser...if nothing else, most of the planets would be incompatible with the new host species.
I think they were a KASU, or maybe just the Yeerk gloating, or it was fed propaganda that wasn't true.
The biggest one-mentions I can think of are the voice at the end of 41 and of course, The One...and wasn't it mentioned at one point that the Hork-Bajir go on a warpath every thirty years or something? I thought that was another KASU somewhere...
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The breathing thing: perhaps they simply acclimate faster than humans. It likely resembles altitude sickness, in which the air is too thin. You eventually get used to it, since it doesn't kill you outright, and it doesn't cause gradual but lethal lung deterioration like asbestos exposure does, so the lungs can eventually repair themselves of any minor damages.
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I think Ax says something like, the Hork-Bajir ONCE HAD a warpath every thirty years or so.... I guess they evolved to remove the warpath....
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No, I don't think so. I think it was said somewhere that the Hork-bajir have never fought, never killed until the yeerks came.
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maybe they didnt infest these guys, they just killed them all and took their planets for natural resources
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Well, what I wonder is just how big the Yeerk Empire wsa. towards the beginning of the series i always thought the Yeerk Empire was huge and Earth was just one small part of their campaign. However, when the war ended with the destruction of the Yeerk forces at Earth I thought, surely, the Yeerks didn't concentrate THAT much force on Earth. But who knows.
If their empire was big, maybe the Ssstram and the Mak are just being used in another part of their empire.
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I really don't think that it was just the loss of Earth that ended the war.
Earlier in the series the Yeerks lost Leera (thanks in part to the Animorphs)
Towards the end of the war Edriss failed to secure the Anati system.
They were losing battles on all fronts, and I think that the loss of Earth was the straw that broke the Taxxon's back.
Of course they did still have the Hork-Bajir and Taxxon planets, so I don't know if the Yeerk Empire was actually obliterated...
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that's true. they lost various campaigns. I wonder how far flung their empire was though.
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Well, what I wonder is just how big the Yeerk Empire wsa. towards the beginning of the series i always thought the Yeerk Empire was huge and Earth was just one small part of their campaign. However, when the war ended with the destruction of the Yeerk forces at Earth I thought, surely, the Yeerks didn't concentrate THAT much force on Earth. But who knows.
If their empire was big, maybe the Ssstram and the Mak are just being used in another part of their empire.
I really don't think that it was just the loss of Earth that ended the war.
Earlier in the series the Yeerks lost Leera (thanks in part to the Animorphs)
Towards the end of the war Edriss failed to secure the Anati system.
They were losing battles on all fronts, and I think that the loss of Earth was the straw that broke the Taxxon's back.
Of course they did still have the Hork-Bajir and Taxxon planets, so I don't know if the Yeerk Empire was actually obliterated...
My thoughts exactly.
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Lol. Remember The Five?
Or maybe it was The Six? Hell, it could've been The Seven for all I care. I wonder how they would've looked had KA developed them even more.
One thing strikes me as odd though. The Yeerks were traveling across the galaxy from planet to planet, conquering dozens of sentient beings. But did it ever occur to them that if they really wanted to live on as a species they needed ONE version of a symbiotic relationship? Why take over Hork-Bajirs, humans, Taxxons, Straams, and Maks when a Hork-Bajir can't reproduce with a human or Taxxon (which would be absolute torture). Seems rather tiring trying to move on as a race when your entire species is scattered around the galaxy in the bodies of other aliens.
The Yeerks really just needed one race to form a mutual symbiotic relationship with, like the Iskoort. That should've been Gedds. It would've worked had they not gotten greedy and wanted more. We should accept what evolution and nature has given us. What the Yeerks were asking for was basically an over-extensive and very expensive plastic surgery.
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hahha. true that. However, maybe that's why they just wanted a class five species.
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hahha. true that. However, maybe that's why they just wanted a class five species.
well they also wanted the andalites...
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yeah...which makes me wonder. were the andalites populous?
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probably not as populous as earth. we know they had enough people for war and stuff but the yeerks were amazed by our numbers, so we can assume it was an uncommon thing
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an estimate? since they were space faring can we assume that most of their population remained on Andal with only a small percentage actually in space?
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yeah...which makes me wonder. were the andalites populous?
They're a class four species, so they're populous enough to host a good portion (if not all) of the yeerks. They had hundreds (or thousands I don't remember which) of Hork-bajirs which are class three, so obviously they need more than that. and from some other clues, I'd guess the andalite population to be in the millions.
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an estimate? since they were space faring can we assume that most of their population remained on Andal with only a small percentage actually in space?
Heh, that's funny, I thought about the Andalite homeworld maybe being called Andal, too XD Neerrrrddds ;D
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jeje, it was the only logical conclusion. ^^
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In "The Capture," I noticed that when the Yeerk is gloating inside of Jake's head, he mentions that he will be an 'Under-Visser' for capturing him, yet for the rest of the series the word 'Sub-Visser' was used. That always bugged me for some reason.
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KASU
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maybe there are different names? different dialect?
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maybe they're two completely different things...
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I think it was a KASU...but maybe it was a different translation...teehe e...Yeerkish-to-English can be such a pain in the butt..
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the Sstram and the Mak may have been very useful throughout the empire however there can be a number of reasons y they would not be on earth
1.) Bodies may be entirely i'll adapted for "shock" troops or as workers
2.) Considering the fact that Visser 3 is near the top of the military command, and is used to fighting battles all the time, his army he would focus on earth would most likely reflect his personal wartime ideal's in which the taxxons (pilots of wartime machines) and Hork Bajir (Intimidation and full use of limbs). Since these two species are most capable of fighting a war i doubt that Visser 3 would add any new species especially when he's constantly on the verge of getting an all out war approved on earth.
3.) In one of the books (i forget which) Ax says that there are several species fighting the Yeerks but that only the Andalites can stop them, This means that towards the rise of the Yeerk empire, these species could have sided with the Andalites to stop the Yeerks and were obliterated
4.) Since the Vissers rule the empire with their own private armies more or less, a single Visser might just reign over the entire species in some far flung part of the galaxy.
These are just my humble opinions feel free to point out any errors or add criticism =D
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kewl, I see a Starcraft fan. ^^
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how te heck could u have possibly guessed that?
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well, i think it was the way you structured your sentence. haha
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..... no, u liar it was just my name >8( how dare u make me waste a post asking a stupid question. lol
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hahahahaha......sor ry!
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no picking on newbies =( that just isnt fair
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no, you're way too kewl to be picked on.
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c'mon Marco, say something funny this next post ::) help a newbie out.
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you should get this awesome avatar for you name!
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What Avatar?
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My thoery is that the sstram and the Mak were races that were powerful (why else would that Yeerk brag about them) and there is a possibility that they were one of the unspecified aliens in the books. Also it is mentioned several points throughout the series that earth's population was enormas compared to that of other races so the ssstram and Mak probably didn't have a very high population to be distributed like the Hork-bajir.
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yep, i totally agree
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maybe the Ssstram and the Mak were an alliance of power traders and the Yeerk infiltrated their business and destroyed it. then the alliance disbanded and that's why you don't really hear too much about them.
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We shall never know. lol
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Tis a VERY OLD thread, but I've always been interested in the Sstram and Mak (and the Nahara, which the original posters seemed to have excluded). A couple of things:
KASU stands for Katherine Applegate Screws Up, and is applicable to the following: errors regarding plot such as the infamous thought speech KASU in the Invasion, saying that Seagulls have talons in Animorphs 18: the Decision, and Ax freaking out over Visser Three morphing a bird from the homeworld, despite the fact that young Andalites morph this bird during training. It wouldn't apply to a species that K.A mentioned once and never brought up again--so long as it doesn't directly drive the plot. I feel the need to point this out as I've seen KASU thrown around as an excuse a few times in various threads.
I personally dislike the idea of the Andalite homeworld getting called "Andal." It's for the same reason that I disliked this one instance in a fan fic where the Pemalite home world was called "Pema." I mean look at Earth: we aren't REALLY called Earthlings, are we? We're homo sapiens/ humans. If we're going to call these home worlds Andal, Pema, Anatia, etc. then other aliens should call our planet Sapia, or Homo Sapia. It's just a preference thing--me being an annoying door knob.
But back to the relevance: I've thought a bit about this actually. I just assumed that, if the Yeerks were able to infest the Sstram, Mak, and Nahra, then those creatures were either 1) pacifists like the Hork-Bajir, 2) too weak to defend themselves from the Yeerks (assuming they've already taken the Hork-Bajir and Taxxons, 3) already lived on the Yeerk home world and got taken like the Gedds, or 4)were just too stupid to NOT get infested. I mean, let's think about who the Yeerks have taken thus far: The Hork-Bajir were peaceful creatures, who probably saw the Yeerks as potential friends; the Taxxons bargained their freedom to the Yeerks over a supply of meat; the Gedds were their natural hosts; Visser Three plain got lucky; and the humans were pretty much tricked into getting infested. Had the Yeerks never gotten the Hork-Bajir, it's doubtful that they would have gotten to Earth. Their entire Empire, really, is just based on luck and praying on creatures just barely able to carry out basic tasks.