Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: KOFSoldier on July 31, 2009, 04:00:25 PM
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http://www.hiracdelest.com/status.htm
I've been following HD for a little while, now. So what do you guys think? I'm a little curious, would it be a direct continuation or a reinvention of the original (the ending did leave a sour taste in a lot of our mouths, and rewriting it would draw in some profit).
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That is pretty interesting. I would hope that this 2.0 would be aimed at an older audience, for most of the original Animorphs fans are now grown or at least past the age that the first series was aimed for. So little info is given here, it just fills my mind with questions. Will it focus on a new group? The Auxiliary Animorphs?
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This is an interesting notion and I hope it goes somewhere.
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Be still my beating heart, can it be? Oh lord please let that happen!
They should do a re-write of #54, then continue from there. Start targeting older teens and tweens!
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while i hope that it is real, i find it mostly likely just a rumor.
unless it comes from K.A.'s or Scholastic mouth, i don't think it will be real.
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That would make me happy. Whether they make a sequel series, or just rewrite the original series and improve on the characters, and also put more focus on other factions beyond the Animorphs.
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Animorphs: Euro Edition
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Hm. I'm really kind of hoping it doesn't happen, but that's because I'm still angry about the impending PotO sequel, which is guaranteed to suck, and never want to see another sequel to anything ever. xD
Anyway, I hate the idea of rewriting the ending.
But I guess a new story with different characters could be okay.
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PotO? You mean Phantom of the Opera? They're making a sequel? WTF!?! Unless it's directed, composed, or over seen by Andrew Lloyd Webber, I'm not watching it.
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PotO? You mean Phantom of the Opera? They're making a sequel? WTF!?! Unless it's directed, composed, or over seen by Andrew Lloyd Webber, I'm not watching it.
Oh, it's ALW's project, alright...the problem is he's trying to make it all "rock and roll" or whatever, like the movie was. I'm sure the music will be at least decent, but the plot is just awful. It was originally based off what is basically the worst PotO fanfiction ever, but ALW has made some changes, and I'd better stop now because I can go on about this forever, so...
~ahem~
Getting back on topic, if 2.0 does happen and is successful, maybe studios would think there's enough interest in the series to make a movie...
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OMG that is freakin awesome. A relaunch would be so cool. Consider this however, if scholastic markets to kids then they can't make a continuation without them having already read the first series. This means that they would have to re-release all the books previously. That would probably require a revamp since they are a bit out of date. What I wonder about is if the books will be longer since kids books tend to be getting thicker and thicker now days. I want to see the Andalite chronicles re-released. Now that would be awesome.
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that would be fantastic, but i'm not giving my hopes up until i hear this from KA.
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I hope it's true
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I wonder if KA will be attached to the project at all. They've both kind of moved on to different projects so I wouldnt be surprised if scolastic moved forward with a new writer/team. Either way this ould be absolutely fantastic to see Animorphs back on a book rack, waiting for the new book to come out every month...good times
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Yeah, I guess we are the Generation of comebacks (Transformers, Astro Boy, Toy Story 3, etc...) it could work if done correctly. I'm not exactly sure how they could do it, though. Maybe focus on a completely different faction? But then it wouldn't be Animorphs anymore. I'm excited, though, and I hope they come through with it.
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Like I said, you can't market new books to kids without them having been exposed to the previous canon. That is currently out of print. The will probably just do a rewrite. Maybe they'll try to go for a Harry Potter/ Twilight type deal and release the books in a larger quantity but fewer books overall. Of course, they'd have to be somewhat different. You could have the main series and extended chronicles. I don't think megamorphs would fit into it though. Maybe we'll even get new characters.
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I think it's obvious KA moved on from what she wrote at the end of book 54. Advertising her new book series Remnants.
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I think it's obvious KA moved on from what she wrote at the end of book 54. Advertising her new book series Remnants.
Yeah, she certainly acted as if she was finished. But then, somewhere (on LiveJournal, I think) she wrote that she would love to continue the series. I'll go find the link...
EDIT: Here it is
http://community.livejournal.com/animorphs/333855.html
The Reply
To Everyone:
Wow. You made us cry. Even Michael and that's not easy.
This was incredibly moving for both of us. Humbling as well.
It is very weird to think of the fans being adults now. Fans with jobs, fans in college, Elizabeth in Iraq. (I knew Michael was getting older but I didn't
think I was. Damn.)
We had always hoped Animorphs would have an effect beyond the "aaargh" and the
"tseeew!" We tried not to think about those possibilities, of course, because
we both have a mortal fear of taking ourselves too seriously. Marco's theory
that you have to decide whether you're going to see life as tragedy or comedy is our philosophy as well, and we've always figured our first obligation -- before we started laughing at anyone else -- was to laugh at ourselves. So we'd know we were sneaking "big issues" into the books but we never wanted to really think too much about it. After all, we're just fiction writers not philosophers and if we ever started thinking we were having an effect that would carry over into adult lives we'd be paralyzed by the responsibility.
We'd love to do book #55. Or #55 through #60, even. But that's not our
decision to make. The publisher would have to make that call.
In the meantime we are both back at work. "Home of the Brave" and "The Buffalo Storm" both by "Katherine Applegate" are coming out this fall, starting I think in late August. Some of you guys might enjoy Home, but Buffalo is a picture book. I have a little kid series, "Roscoe Riley Rules" coming out next spring about the same time as Michael's "The FAYZ." Michael's going to be using the pseudonym "Michael Grant." As many of you know he's sensitive about blurring lines, especially on-line, where 11 and 12 year olds probably shouldn't be reading his more adult stuff, hence the pseudonym.
Again, we can't tell you how meaningful this was for us. We were really moved.
Thanks.
Katherine and Michael
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It would be awesome to finally get some closure on the last book. I don't think they'd bring Rachel back though. I think scholastic could simply condense the series into about 6 books of several hundred pages and remove the filler. Then again, that isn't my decision. As long as its official though, I will so buy it.
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It would be awesome to finally get some closure on the last book. I don't think they'd bring Rachel back though. I think scholastic could simply condense the series into about 6 books of several hundred pages and remove the filler. Then again, that isn't my decision. As long as its official though, I will so buy it.
Ehhhhhhh, I think most people would be happiest if they brought Rachel back.
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MOST people would be happiest to have Rachel back... but if they do it by re-writing the last book, I will be severely ticked off. :P When she wrote it, K.A. essentially said "This is what I believe it should be; I make no apologies", and that is EXACTLY the way literature should be. If an artist lets popularity affect his/her works, then it ceases to be art by becoming consumer goods. It loses its honesty in favour of capitalism.
Mind you, if there is a canon-cooperative or MAYBE time-travel-and-Ellimist-intervention situation that causes Rachel to be not-technically-dead, then maybe I'll buy that plotline. Short of that... ugh. :(
*shrug*
Rachel's supposed to be dead, and Tobias is supposed to be a psychological wreck.
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you can bring her back, but there has to be a payoff. There is no such thing as a free lunch, especially with deaths. We as the readers have to lose something to get Rachel back. Maybe we get Rachel in some other form. Possibly she becomes the equivalent of the Drode for Ellimist. If that was the case, then she would be unable to really interact, just be cryptic and guide the living Animorphs. It would also mean she can not be with Tobias I think.
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Yes, very like. :)
Remember that Crayak has it out for Jake? Maybe there would be a situation that allows them to repair their timeline and save Rachel... at the cost of Jake's death in the same timeline. Perhaps Cassie talks him into dealing with Tom instead, and Tobias finally tells Rachel that he loves her WHILE she's not DYING...
...and like all the other potential-time-shifts, by the end of the book they realise that it was meant to be the way it was at the start, and they reset things back to Jake-lives-Rachel-dies... but now they know that in at least one possible reality, things were different.
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MOST people would be happiest to have Rachel back... but if they do it by re-writing the last book, I will be severely ticked off. :P When she wrote it, K.A. essentially said "This is what I believe it should be; I make no apologies", and that is EXACTLY the way literature should be. If an artist lets popularity affect his/her works, then it ceases to be art by becoming consumer goods. It loses its honesty in favour of capitalism.
LOL @ KA trying to pull the "author integrity" because not only did she hire other people to write the series for her so she could make money off of other series while still making money off of Animorphs, she obviously didn't bother to put in enough effort to make many of the ghostwritten books as good as they could've been! So much for "yeah, he/she wrote [book] but I ensured it was okay": books #36-42 are generally considered to be the worst of the series and even #41 could've and should've been better.
It was laziness. Pure and simple.
Mind you, if there is a canon-cooperative or MAYBE time-travel-and-Ellimist-intervention situation that causes Rachel to be not-technically-dead, then maybe I'll buy that plotline. Short of that... ugh. :(
That's what I think happened. I think Cassie reached the Time Matrix the same time as Jake crashed into the Blade Ship.
*shrug*
Rachel's supposed to be dead, and Tobias is supposed to be a psychological wreck.
And Jar Jar Binks is one of Star Wars' finest and most beloved characters. ::)
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Ghostwirters wrote more Animorphs books than KA did. So I agree with Escafil here. Rachel's death never should have happened. I will never understand why anyone would think it should.
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Hey, I'm not saying she has the best author integrity. I'm just saying that the one time she actually made a realistic statement and stood up for her work, we owe it to her to take her seriously.
You did read the ghostwritten books, right? Probably even knowing they were ghostwritten, you read them, neh?
Now, if you read them before buying them, but you bought them anyway, then you really aren't in any position to argue that point. If you never bought them or weren't aware of the ghostwriting, then maybe it's valid enough.
When you purchase a piece of art not-previously-viewed, you are doing it with the understood risk that you may not like it.
If you commission a piece of art, you're still expected to pay for it. The artist still did work on it. In these cases, it just wasn't the same artist every time.
*shrug*
And be honest with me, Escafil... as much as you appear to hate the last book, would you have ANY respect left for Applegate if she just said... OOPS! I REALLY meant it to say THIS....
*grinds teeth*
And don't be hashing JarJar! He served a purpose other than being a flippin' plotbunny! All things considered, he was well thought-out.
*cough*UnlikeGrievous....
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To end this argument over ghostwriting and get back to the more pressing topic of a second series, all the renaissance artists used the equivalent of ghost writers. Regardless of this, it in no way detracts from their overall integrity or authority as an Artist.
If the series picks up where it left off then I think it would have to be aimed at an older audience. The animorphs were all 18 by that time. It would also be weird to have readers in a world where the existence of aliens is common knowledge and technology has taken a huge quantum leap. A theme to the books was how magical the alien technology was. The animorph's reaction to the technology mirrors our own wonder. If the characters talk about it as if it was common place, that wonder is detracted from. Plus, new generations of kids don't know the mythos of animorphs. That is why the books have to be re-released and that would take time. The best possible course of action would be to condense the series, and release it in larger books like with Harry Potter or Twilight. It could have more violence and introspective aspects to it. The ending would probably be the same though.
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I can't guaruntee escafil's feelings on the subject, but I would have fully respected her if she let all the main characters life, and all gone on to be better people for the scars they bared. Heck, I flat out expected it to happen. I also expected the series to continue onto the HB Homeworld, but that's another thing...
I was also unaware of the ghostwriters until I came here.
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Ghostwirters wrote more Animorphs books than KA did. So I agree with Escafil here. Rachel's death never should have happened. I will never understand why anyone would think it should.
Because the author and creator of the series you claim to love wrote it that way.
I'm wondering whether they plan to revamp the series or continue on from the existing canon. Because 2.0 implies that this is a seperate volume from the original animorphs but on the Hirac Dilest it says the higher ups were discussing possible ways to continue from where the series left off.
Personally I would like to see a new volume tackled by a new writing team start from the very beginning and give us a new take on the animorphs, same characters, same basic story, but a new original series. (obviously I'd prefer KA to helm this but really I dont see the odds of that, they have moved on)
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Supposing a different cluster of teens walked through the construction site,
or supposing Elfangor crashed in another locale...
maybe Melissa was there? Who's to say?
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it could be a good venue for the return of Jake's younger brother Joseph, who had Cassie's role. I know a lot of people hated Cassie's moralizing, but then again, she is K.A.'s character and she might have liked her, which suggests she might keep her instead of inserting Joseph.
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joseph?
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In the original draft of Animorphs Jake was named Matt and had a little brother named Joseph who took Cassie's part in the group. It was call The Changelings
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I would definitely love a rewrite of the series and/or a continuation. As stated above, if it were aimed at an older audience, that would be great. It would also make room for jokes involving morphing animals of a different sex.
Also, if they use the above-suggested bigger book idea, they could indeed make movies out of the series. Of course, I'd still personally back up the possibility of a cartoon series for Animorphs (we all know how bad the TV show was, due to the terrible lack of PROPER TECHNOLOGY and whatnot).
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Hey, I'm not saying she has the best author integrity. I'm just saying that the one time she actually made a realistic statement and stood up for her work, we owe it to her to take her seriously.
You did read the ghostwritten books, right? Probably even knowing they were ghostwritten, you read them, neh?
Now, if you read them before buying them, but you bought them anyway, then you really aren't in any position to argue that point. If you never bought them or weren't aware of the ghostwriting, then maybe it's valid enough.
When you purchase a piece of art not-previously-viewed, you are doing it with the understood risk that you may not like it.
If you commission a piece of art, you're still expected to pay for it. The artist still did work on it. In these cases, it just wasn't the same artist every time.
*shrug*
Did you read anything that I wrote?
I stand by my statement that she has no right to talk about author integrity. The last book was a bad plot that was badly implemented. It's as simple as that.
And be honest with me, Escafil... as much as you appear to hate the last book, would you have ANY respect left for Applegate if she just said... OOPS! I REALLY meant it to say THIS....
Applegate has never admitted that she was wrong beyond a series of tiny "KASUs" that are mainly typographical errors. Remember her "letter to the fans" after people complained about the last book?
I would respect her if she gave the series an ending that it deserved.
*grinds teeth*
Don't let your dentist catch you doing that.
And don't be hashing JarJar! He served a purpose other than being a flippin' plotbunny! All things considered, he was well thought-out.
*cough*UnlikeGrievous....
Are you delusional?
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I would definitely love a rewrite of the series and/or a continuation. As stated above, if it were aimed at an older audience, that would be great. It would also make room for jokes involving morphing animals of a different sex.
Also, if they use the above-suggested bigger book idea, they could indeed make movies out of the series. Of course, I'd still personally back up the possibility of a cartoon series for Animorphs (we all know how bad the TV show was, due to the terrible lack of PROPER TECHNOLOGY and whatnot).
Oh, they had the technology. They just didn't want to use it.
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Animorphs 2.0? The idea has me very interested, it'll be sweet if something comes from it.
But visiting this place again just to see more never-ending whining about ghostwriters, book 54 and KA is pretty grating...
Sorry, I can't help myself:
It was laziness. Pure and simple.
Why don't you go write a book every month for the next decade then come back here and talk about laziness.
KA was writing Everworld at that time for the sake of fans who felt they had outgrown Animorphs. The ghostwriters were a natural solution given that KA and Michael had ghostwritten entries of other series, so they would be familiar and comfortable with that idea. Everworld turned out to be relatively difficult to write, and as they worked with the ghostwriters KA and Michael discovered that management wasn't quite their forte. Some mistakes were made, some lessons were learned, and not all of the Animorphs books were of the highest quality. Oh well. That's life.
I stand by my statement that she has no right to talk about author integrity. The last book was a bad plot that was badly implemented. It's as simple as that.
The last book was an extended epilogue, not intended to provide the same sort of reading experience as regular entries. The plot is not the main point once the story jumps ahead several years. From there, the rest is about bringing closure to the characters and to the thematic content of the story.
Hackneyed writing wouldn't have the overwhelming emotional power that book 54 has. In terms of emotion, it seems to have achieved the intended effect - a sense of what life is like after returning from war. Which is the sort of ending the series deserved.
The characterization sheds light on the strengths and weaknesses of the various Animorphs' coping mechanisms throughout the war, showing what their outcomes are. Which is a part of the story that deserved to be written.
I don't have complaints about the introduction of the Kelbrid and The One. So these specific entities weren't explicitly set up beforehand - okay, so what? It's kind of a given that the Animorphs universe is overflowing with sentient alien species, with new ones constantly popping into the story at any time. That's how alien species have been handled throughout the series, so when that device is used at the end of the story it suddenly becomes sloppy and lazy? I don't feel that the Kelbrid and The One needed to be set up beforehand because as they stand, the two entities serve as fine symbols representing the ultimate evils of the Animorphs story in thematic terms. The power of those symbols might have been compromised if we'd known about their existence for the span of a dozen books.
Cliffhangers were a staple of the Animorphs writing style. Just about every chapter would lead to some big dramatic cliffhanger of some sort. So ending the series with the mother-of-all-cliffhangers isn't sloppy and thoughtless - more along the lines of the ending the series deserved, as opposed to the ending readers would want. The cliffhanger does an excellent job of summarizing who the Animorphs are, what they stand for, and what the story has been about from the start. But nobody seems to care, because whining about it is more gratifying than contemplating it.
And gee, how dare KA be excited about the new series she's about to begin? What sort of nerve she had, to be looking forward to her next big thing?
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Animorphs 2.0? The idea has me very interested, it'll be sweet if something comes from it.
But visiting this place again just to see more never-ending whining about ghostwriters, book 54 and KA is pretty grating...
Sorry, I can't help myself:
It was laziness. Pure and simple.
Why don't you go write a book every month for the next decade then come back here and talk about laziness.
KA was writing Everworld at that time for the sake of fans who felt they had outgrown Animorphs. The ghostwriters were a natural solution given that KA and Michael had ghostwritten entries of other series, so they would be familiar and comfortable with that idea. Everworld turned out to be relatively difficult to write, and as they worked with the ghostwriters KA and Michael discovered that management wasn't quite their forte. Some mistakes were made, some lessons were learned, and not all of the Animorphs books were of the highest quality. Oh well. That's life.
I stand by my statement that she has no right to talk about author integrity. The last book was a bad plot that was badly implemented. It's as simple as that.
The last book was an extended epilogue, not intended to provide the same sort of reading experience as regular entries. The plot is not the main point once the story jumps ahead several years. From there, the rest is about bringing closure to the characters and to the thematic content of the story.
Hackneyed writing wouldn't have the overwhelming emotional power that book 54 has. In terms of emotion, it seems to have achieved the intended effect - a sense of what life is like after returning from war. Which is the sort of ending the series deserved.
The characterization sheds light on the strengths and weaknesses of the various Animorphs' coping mechanisms throughout the war, showing what their outcomes are. Which is a part of the story that deserved to be written.
I don't have complaints about the introduction of the Kelbrid and The One. So these specific entities weren't explicitly set up beforehand - okay, so what? It's kind of a given that the Animorphs universe is overflowing with sentient alien species, with new ones constantly popping into the story at any time. That's how alien species have been handled throughout the series, so when that device is used at the end of the story it suddenly becomes sloppy and lazy? I don't feel that the Kelbrid and The One needed to be set up beforehand because as they stand, the two entities serve as fine symbols representing the ultimate evils of the Animorphs story in thematic terms. The power of those symbols might have been compromised if we'd known about their existence for the span of a dozen books.
Cliffhangers were a staple of the Animorphs writing style. Just about every chapter would lead to some big dramatic cliffhanger of some sort. So ending the series with the mother-of-all-cliffhangers isn't sloppy and thoughtless - more along the lines of the ending the series deserved, as opposed to the ending readers would want. The cliffhanger does an excellent job of summarizing who the Animorphs are, what they stand for, and what the story has been about from the start. But nobody seems to care, because whining about it is more gratifying than contemplating it.
And gee, how dare KA be excited about the new series she's about to begin? What sort of nerve she had, to be looking forward to her next big thing?
dude! +1 totally +1
you really need to post more often
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She didn't have to start other books. Cliffhangers are fine in the middle of a series and bad at the end, because in the middle of the series things have a chance at being resolved. That serves the purpose of a cliffhanger. There is no purpose of a cliffhanger at the end, because cliffhangers are supposed to be used to keep readers reading.
I feel like I'm just repeating things over and over. Obviously some fans just think differently from others. some are fine with it and some aren't. Some cry fanboy, and others cry no true scotsman. My head hurts.
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i like when series end in cliffhangers, it leaves them open to interpretation and fanfics :p
though i really wish she had killed more main characters
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The purpose of the ending cliffhanger is stylistic closure. Animorphs was badass from the start, and it received the ultimate badass ending.
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i like when series end in cliffhangers, it leaves them open to interpretation and fanfics :p
though i really wish she had killed more main characters
Cliffhangers are normally okay, but I don't like this one. Most fanfics I've seen are pretty trashy, and this was one series I wanted a definite end to.
Also, I wish Cassie had died. I really just hated her.
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getting back to the topic at hand...
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Honestly, I may not want to see an Ani 2.0 unless I knew certain changed would be made. At least some changes that I've gone over before in other discussions.
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In regards to the end of the series...
Whether you love it or hate it, you have to admit that it had a powerful effect. After all, HOW many threads have existed (or have gotten sidetracked) just to praise/complain about it?
In regards to Animorphs 2.0...
First off, I find it difficult to believe that this project will come to fruition. If it does, then I anticipate a major overhaul. The entire series may not be re-released, a condensed version of the important bits may be. 2.0 may deal with completely different characters, time periods, etc. It may take place after the war with the Yeerks is over (in fact, that seems the most logical, since it is linear with the series).
I think the thing to keep in mind is, if there IS an Animorphs 2.0 about half of us will hate it, half of us will love it and there will be a million threads dedicated to tearing it apart or raising it up. :)
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The danger would still have to be on Earth I think. The fun of Animorphs was partly the guerilla war played out in a normal American setting.
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I think the thing to keep in mind is, if there IS an Animorphs 2.0 about half of us will hate it, half of us will love it and there will be a million threads dedicated to tearing it apart or raising it up.
Probably. But I would really love to see Animorphs back in the spotlight.
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I'm liking the 2.0 idea less and less the more I think about it (particularly the idea of a rewrite--"if it ain't broke don't fix it," you know). I agree it would be nice to see Animorphs back in the spotlight, but I won't be disappointed if it never happens.
But visiting this place again just to see more never-ending whining about ghostwriters, book 54 and KA is pretty grating...
I agree so much. -_-
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dude! +1 totally +1
you really need to post more often
well said, +1 dan.
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getting back to the topic at hand...
Um, agreed. I hate reading walls of text that have NOTHING to do with the topic, theres a million threads to for the argument about the end of the book. ::)
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But it is broke, Liz, it is broke. And I'm not just talking about the ending. Too much character focus on the Anis, when so many other interesting factions are introduced. Horrible villain decay for V3. Just for starters.
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I wish they would republish it. Then I could buy all the bewks new :D
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Can you imagine the surge of 8-12 year olds we'd have? I like the younger members we have now, but if we had scads of them joining, that would severely change the quality of RAF.
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pff we could just seperate RAF into a 16+ RAF and an everybody RAF
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Can you imagine the surge of 8-12 year olds we'd have? I like the younger members we have now, but if we had scads of them joining, that would severely change the quality of RAF.
I remember you advocating for new members...
If they redo animorphs at all we should expect a rise in memberships. So if that's something we don't want then ANI2.0 is not gonna be all that awesome XD
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If there is an Animorphs 2.0 I would want a heavier focus on the alien species. I find the most fascinating characters not the Animorphs themselves, but the Yeerks and the Andalites and the Hork-Bajir (etc). If they continue along the series linearly, I think it would be interesting to show how Earth reacts to alien species. You know not everyone will be interested in accepting them.
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There are a few young members. I actually am a teenager. From what I have gathered the lowest age that I have confermed on this site is eleven.
The animmorphs 2.0 is going to be either a complete bowlderization that will make the old series look alot better or it will just be set in modern times. The more controll the author has the better because the more controll she has the less likely schoolastic will make it a money making series with cheap merchandise.
I think applegate is alot more carefull about that now I have never seen any merchandise from everworld, or desendents (forgive my falty memory if wrong).
Animorphs 2 has great potential lets just hope applegate is more assertive this time around.
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In regards to a very old post, I was unaware of the ghostwriters as well, that's what pissed me off about the ending.
Well, in her letter, it sounds as though Schoolastic has most of the power. I just hope KA has all of the creativity rights.
The series would suffer hugely if KA had a small role in the 2.0 series. Like if they decided to continue Star Wars, and created ep. 7, 8, etc, and didn't include George? Those movies would suck nuts.
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But it is broke, Liz, it is broke. And I'm not just talking about the ending. Too much character focus on the Anis, when so many other interesting factions are introduced. Horrible villain decay for V3. Just for starters.
Agreed, Agreed, Agreed.
I supposed I could deal with the direction of the ending (if only one thing, it is powerful), I just wish it was more......for lack of a better word, complete.
But, back on topic, wouldn't new members be a good thing? Again, I'm all for Animorphs being in the spotlight again. Toy Story came out 15 years ago, and next year they are releasing Toy Story 3, I'll be 22; but I'll still see it because it was such a big thing to me when I was a kid. Animorphs can definitely make a comeback, if done correctly.
If it's a continuation, I expect Rachel to appear in some way, shape, or form. Seems only right....
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I will admit to watching the sequel to...Bambi. ~20 years after I saw the first one. I liked it. It had references to the original.
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I will admit to watching the sequel to...Bambi. ~20 years after I saw the first one. I liked it. It had references to the original.
Exactly! You can't beat childhood memories, and if I recall, Animorphs was a bestseller. I'm not worried about them being able to generate a buzz, because I know that they can.
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I will admit to watching the sequel to...Bambi. ~20 years after I saw the first one. I liked it. It had references to the original.
Exactly! You can't beat childhood memories, and if I recall, Animorphs was a bestseller. I'm not worried about them being able to generate a buzz, because I know that they can.
Even if it doesn't "generate a buzz", who cares? We, the fans, are getting what we want (kind of). If the author(s) are gonna be doing this just to make some money, they're selling out, and that's stupid.
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An Animorphs 2.0 revamped for an older audience and all would be groovy!!
I hope the rumor is true!!!
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In a word: awesome.
A continuation of the series, or a new story with a new cast would be like a dream, a revamp of the series . . . hmm, I'm iffy, I like the series how it is for the most part, even where it dates itself, but then again it could be good. Anything new would be awesome though.
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I'm all for it! I hope there is going to be more books. I'm 23 and even if the books were aimed at 10 year olds, you can bet ill shove some preteens out of line so I can buy them first
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you can bet ill shove some preteens out of line so I can buy them first
Precisely my sentiment. :D
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True that!
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It's probably a fat chance but if it did happen I think I would just drop down and die! That would be AWESOME!!! I'd like it to be a continuation of the series and not a re-write, though. Also, for older audiences. I think it should be a series of about 5-7 medium-long length books instead of 45 million 100+ page books. I really hope this turns out to be true. I'd probably have a heart attack and end up in the hospital, though.
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Most children won't want to read some of these ~400 page books I've seen. Like the Ice and Fire series, or whatever. Though I think Maximum Ride books are kind of long, and they're geared towards kids.
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Harry Potter is longer than that.
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Yeah, as I think more about it, there are long books aimed at children afterall.
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The animmorphs 2.0 is going to be either a complete bowlderization that will make the old series look alot better or it will just be set in modern times. The more controll the author has the better because the more controll she has the less likely schoolastic will make it a money making series with cheap merchandise.
I think applegate is alot more carefull about that now I have never seen any merchandise from everworld, or desendents (forgive my falty memory if wrong).
Animorphs 2 has great potential lets just hope applegate is more assertive this time around.
See, that's where I think a problem might emerge. Scholastic owns the rights to Animorphs. Technically, they can do whatever they want with the brand without author input.
On top of that, AppleGrant are in the midst of their own projects. Applegate is accepting an award for her children's books and Grant is busy with GONE. I don't know if they are at a point in their careers where they would want to be going back to old projects, when they are doing so well with their new ones. It seems like a step backwards, as far as career moves go.
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Youre so right. Which is why I think this rumor will only ever be a rumor. Probably started just to give us something to talk about...
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Well, it's not like the stories are going to be written NOW. They're speaking about the future. KA said she would be psyched if Schoolastic green lit a 2.0 project. She could write the beginning without Grant, then when Grant has time, or when/if he finishes Gone, he can jump in.
More than likely, it'll probably be years before anythings written if it's even green lit.
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I think Katherine did her bets work with Animorphs when she didn't have other stuff going on. So if they do something, and include her, I'd rather she didn't have or make any distractions.
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It was her best work, I agree wif dat.
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IF AppleGrant are in charge, I think we're virtually guaranteed a good product. We've seen the damage done to the series when left in hands other than theirs already, and the things that make the books work (the compelling characters, the presentation of deep and important concepts in an organic and simple yet not dumbed-down manner appropriate for younger readers, the constant balance between sheer escapism and GrimDark Angst) need to be retained. I believe that the original team has the best chance of keeping these qualities in tact, but theoretically a sufficiently talented fan who cares about the series while still possessing the objectivity and personal creativity necessary to make the enterprise worthwhile.
While a sequel might be interesting, I don't know how possible it would be to retain the elements that give the series its soul given that most of the characters are dead and the secret is out. The best sequel I can imagine would be a one-off "Human Chronicles" sort of idea.
I do think a straight rewrite of the series by Applegate could be a very good idea. It could serve to remove most of the filler, compensate for the deficiencies of the Ghostwriters (the quality of whom vary! I thought The Deception by Elise Smith was fantastic and worthy of the series, whereas The Return by Kimberly Morriss took an interesting plot and killed it with Cheesy bold-lettered purple prose!) and even clean up the writing in a few of K.A.'s earlier books (there's a clear shift in quality going back from the fantastic last two books to the surprisingly dumbed-down first one). More importantly, it'll keep the series in the minds of a new generation, something that I think will genuinely benefit the readers themselves (even if it does mean we get a bunch of tweens on RAF)
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>_> As long as they don't repeat the story of them getting their morphing power EVERY SINGLE BOOK.
Yeesh. I mean seriously. By book 50, don't you think we would have got it?
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Yes! I almost forgot about that. By the sixth book, I would skip to page 5 and read from there. Hahaha.
Yeah, hopefully, by the time this project gets off the ground and in the writing phases, KA and Grant should have cleared their schedules. :glare: They better.
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Maybe they'd also keep Ax's little "Earth journal" thing for a little longer. It was quite humorous and insightful.
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I would be tempted to put Ax journal quotes in all of his books. I would also give him and Tobias as many books as the others. Making the Alien the sixth book, which would push the Capture to book 7.
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Just a note, in addition to GONE Michael's also currently working on a new series called The Magnificent 12. So it doesn't seem very likely that he'd go to work on this project anytime soon.
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If it's a continuation, I expect Rachel to appear in some way, shape, or form. Seems only right....
omg, she's dead, get over it
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If it's a continuation, I expect Rachel to appear in some way, shape, or form. Seems only right....
omg, she's dead, get over it
Yes, thank you.
Seriously, you guys, stop whining about how she died. In a way, that was almost karma's way of getting back at her being so reckless all the time.
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Oh that's mean but true
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If it's a continuation, I expect Rachel to appear in some way, shape, or form. Seems only right....
omg, she's dead, get over it
LOL, yes, thank you. +1
The Rachel should be the only thing to ever come back imo.
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Uh, no. If I haven't gotten over Rachel dying by now, I'm just not going to get over it. -1
Especially since there's a perfectly practical in universe way to bring her back, via the time matrix.
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Uh, no. If I haven't gotten over Rachel dying by now, I'm just not going to get over it. -1
Especially since there's a perfectly practical in universe way to bring her back, via the time matrix.
Oy vey.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_2-SrRbs7Y[/youtube]
Also, nothing good can come from messing with time.
But back on topic...
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The way I see it a continuation cant work because the target audience of young adults werent around to read the original series and wont know what the heck they are talking about. So it will almost definitely be a revamp.
Also I don't know how much of the rights to Animorphs KA and Michael even own and since they have long since moved on to new projects I think its highly likely they will not be involved in this project. I'm not saying its impossible that they will return, but if I was them I would be happy to collect a royalties check while I focus on my new works as long as I knew they were taking care of the series. (And based on the history of the ghostwriters they feel the same way)
I think of the series more like a comic book series than a book series. Its typical for a comic book creator to work on their project for 50-100 issues, sometimes less, then pass it on to another writer/artist while they go on to create their next new book. And most comic books go through several different volumes with completely different writing teams and sometimes a completely different look.
Personally I'd love to see a new team take a crack at the series. It wont be exactly like our old beloved series but at least it wont be like the ghostwriters trying to copy KA's tone and missing.
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The way I see it a continuation cant work because the target audience of young adults werent around to read the original series and wont know what the heck they are talking about. So it will almost definitely be a revamp.
Also I don't know how much of the rights to Animorphs KA and Michael even own and since they have long since moved on to new projects I think its highly likely they will not be involved in this project. I'm not saying its impossible that they will return, but if I was them I would be happy to collect a royalties check while I focus on my new works as long as I knew they were taking care of the series. (And based on the history of the ghostwriters they feel the same way)
I think of the series more like a comic book series than a book series. Its typical for a comic book creator to work on their project for 50-100 issues, sometimes less, then pass it on to another writer/artist while they go on to create their next new book. And most comic books go through several different volumes with completely different writing teams and sometimes a completely different look.
Personally I'd love to see a new team take a crack at the series. It wont be exactly like our old beloved series but at least it wont be like the ghostwriters trying to copy KA's tone and missing.
well said
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It would be kind of interesting if Animorphs 2.0 revamped the series by turning it into a graphic novel of sorts. That would force a lot of the 'fluff' out and definitely open it up to new audiences. It's doubtful it would happen, but it is a possible route. A lot of the scenes/storylines seem like they would be able to be adapted to graphic novel fairly easily. I think it would be pretty cool, actually.
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At the same time, I could see the aliens' imagery being destroyed. After seeing just bits of fanart of Andalites, I can safely say nobody really agrees on one picture. Take that idea to some famous drawer that likes to define his own style, and we're gonna have some weird Andalites, Hork-Bajir, etc.
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lol well truth be told the authors never really agreed on one style.
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All the depictions of Andalites, Taxxons, Hork-Bajir, and Yeerks seem to be the same. Or am I missing something?
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Well, with every other alien, they've been really close. But on the cover for The Hork-Bajir Chronicles, the typed description doesn't really match the illustration. the location of leg-blades is off. But other than THBC, every official alien illustration I've seen has been accurate.
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idk I mean if you really get down to semantics, the descriptions themselves change throughout the books. The most glaring one I can think of is that in #4 Ax only had one nostril. But little things, besides that--I think in #7, Rachel says you wouldn't be tempted to ride Ax because his back slopes too much, but Loren rides Elfangor just fine in the Andalite Chronicles, and the size seems to change a lot. Idk, could just be me, but based on the fact that Ax is, at the very least, an old adolescent, Gafinilan ain't no Clydesdale horse if Ax is just a deer.
Taxxons change a lot too, but Hork-Bajir don't change so much, only because I think their descriptions are appropriately vague...we know they have wrist, knee, and elbow blades, but exactly where do these blades actually emerge, and what direction do they point?
I think about this way too much, sry.
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Well, in book one, Elfangor had three, maybe it was just a KASU.
But just because you wouldn't want to ride an andalite, doesn't mean you wouldn't have the ability to.
Loren didn't exactly have much choice but to ride Elfangor. She didn't say it was comfy nor uncomfortable.
And remember, Ax is still very young. Remember, he's still basically a pre-teen when they meet him. He's not going to be big and strong like other Andalites. You wouldn't sit on a 14 year old's shoulders, but you could sit on a 30 year old's shoulders.
What do you mean their size changes. Human sizes are always fluxed. That's just genetics.
I haven't noticed any discrepancies with Taxxon description. Huge Centipede, Red Jello eyes, and a vacuum with blades for a mouth. What probs did you notice?
I do agree with the Hork-Bajir description, though it's only that one instance that I see. they always say, "Knee blades, but on the cover of THBC the blades are on their calves.
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It's not consistent. It's not wildly inconsistent, but Ax's sloping back is only mentioned once then never again, and Ax is described as "deer-sized" pretty consistently, but at the beginning, so are Elfangor and Alloran. And ALL Andalites. It seems to be implied later, especially when they describe Gafinilan, and when Alloran gets described in later books, that Ax still has a lot of physical growing up to do.
There was a problem with the stalk eyes, too. I mean I know you all prefer the way Andalites are portrayed on the Chronicles books better, as do I, but the fact of the matter is Mattingly had the representation of an Andalite closer to what it was in the book than Kukalis did. His looked much cooler, but Ax's stalk eyes are described like "giraffe horns" and one point, and he's got the puny arms, and the color scheme is a little bit closer. idk.
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So they're supposed to be more like horns with eyes than stalks? I guess that would make them more durable. I really hate how short they make Ax's tail, though. It's way too short to be used in a fight. Elfangor's tail looks a bit short too, though it could be loing enough to attack with. Alloran's tail is fine. They probably only made it longer to be more menacing, though.
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Yeah, more like short pipe cleaners than rubber floppy tubes, I guess. But I kind of like them spinning and flinging around better, I just don't know why.
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Well, as long as you use diff illustrators, you're going to get different results.
I think it's just a case of being too nitpicky.
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hahaha when you're called too nitpicky on a fan forum whose very purpose is to pick nits, perhaps it is time to reevaluate your strategy...
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hahaha, true, true. I've grown up with comics, with diff illustrators, some of my fav heroes were completely redrawn and reworked so many times, I just go with it now.
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even though im trying not to get excited about such a rumor...i am very much hoping that they do something with the universe, even a rewrite. Whatever it is, they will have my money at least.
and no matter how badly i may be mauled or laughed at..forever will i support Rachel.
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I think this is veery eenteresting. Will be following.
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Personally, I believe that Animorphs could do with a continuation. That said, it doesn't really need it, albeit the ending was a bit of an anti-climax. And I wouldn't sleep any less soundly at night if it didn't go ahead, because I believe the ending did have the desired effect.
But, on the other hand, if Scholastic and KAA did go ahead with it, I would expect nothing short of an epic story, one that has been worth the eight-year wait. I think it should be along the lines of Capnnerefir's continuation series Neomorphs, which (in my time reading through countless hundreds of fanfics) seems to be written with the exact style of KAA. (He also said that he is trying to get it published so...) For those who haven't read it. At the moment I believe he is up to book 71: The Lesson, and each is 25000 to 30000 words long, so they are about the same length as the original books, so he's no slacker.
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A continuation would be great, but at the same time you have to wonder: what could you do with it? Sure, they've got The One to do battle against if they do go in a linear fashion, but the series got most of it's charm from staying on Earth and trying to hide.
So I would basically like a revamp of sorts. Maybe it will condense the books into bigger and more mature volumes, or maybe it will give us completely new characters in the same setting. Or maybe it would be the same stories retold in a comic book (that would be the best way to go, IMO).
But if they do directly continue it, I would like Rachel to be back somehow. Not permanently, if that's best. perhaps a Ellimist-powered ghost so that she and Tobias can get a bit more closure.
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I personally wish they would've done more recruiting earlier, though not quite in a David fashion. First person that just comes to my mind is Melissa, since I'm sure she'd love to join the fight (another not-quite-so-leader Jake). The Auxiliary Animorphs were cool, but there wasn't much contact with them; it'd just be cool if they'd made a separate group of Animorphs earlier in the series who would go fight the Yeerks in other parts of the city or whatever, and the two groups might meet up occasionally.
Kind of like Titans East and the main Teen Titans (from the cartoon). Dunno why I thought of it that way, since I haven't watched that in years.
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I wouldn't mind a 2.0 series. It'd defiently fix the mistakes that were made in the original. I could see them changing lots of stuff for the better. Like....
- Making David a recurring villain
- making Mellisa a more important character(maybe even an animorph) or at least make her one of the few humans who actually knew the animorphs identities(were there any humans who knew in the original series?)
- Give Marco a girlfriend(possibly Mellisa)
- give Jake a younger brother(Still keep Tom though) like they were originally gonna do and add him to the team (Not to replace Cassie though. Regardless of her lack of popularity, she was still one of my favorite Anis)
- have a scene where Tom(for a moment) is freed and Jake(and younger brother if he's there) get to tell Tom about the Animorphs and how they'll never give up trying to save him, blah blah blah, and then the all mighty Ellimist puts things back in place so Tom's a controller again and doesn't remember that little convo he had with his brother(s)
- Make Rachel the Ellimist's right hand woman when she dies
- Give Cassie a decent battle morph
- completely redo book 48 but keep the ending (actually scratch that, change the ending so we know what happens to David. I still think Rachel should let him live, only to be scooped up by Tobias who thought he thought was just a normal rat lol)
I probably have tons of other stuff they could change but I can't think of anymore right now
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I love the idea of a redone/continued series, but I doubt it's ever going to become a reality. Yes, we live in a time where a lot of old concepts are being picked up and redone, but they're mainly things that were a lot more popular than Animorphs to start out with. That, and Animorphs is right at that boundary age; too old to be directly continued, and too young to be revamped. Maybe in ten or twenty years, they'll pick it back up and redo it, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but that's life for ya.
- completely redo book 48 but keep the ending (actually scratch that, change the ending so we know what happens to David. I still think Rachel should let him live, only to be scooped up by Tobias who thought he was just a normal rat lol)
If you ask me, the ending to 48 was a huge part of what made it a good book. I really liked the ambiguity of not knowing what Rachel did with David (I am personally of the opinion that she had the strength to do the right thing and killed him).
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- Making David a recurring villain
I don't know, that'd be big trouble for the Animorphs. I don't mean just because he can morph, but because he's willing to go to Visser Three/One and spill the beans. Something would have to be slightly altered so that's not such a big possibility, like maybe Visser Three/One wants David just dead, too.
- making Mellisa a more important character(maybe even an animorph) or at least make her one of the few humans who actually knew the animorphs identities(were there any humans who knew in the original series?)
Until they reveal it, I don't think anybody knew (though obviously the former Visser One and a few other Controllers suspected it). I guess after #30, ex-Visser One knew it for sure, and so Marco's mom also knew.
But if Melissa wasn't an Animorph but she knew about the Animorphs, Jake would take her into the group anyway. Another David situation, though more under control since Visser Three/One wouldn't know about her. Still, the Animorphs would know it's too dangerous to just leave her at her house; she'd be stuck holding life-or-death information in a house with two Controllers? No way.
- Give Marco a girlfriend(possibly Mellisa)
Ehhh.
- have a scene where Tom(for a moment) is freed and Jake(and younger brother if he's there) get to tell Tom about the Animorphs and how they'll never give up trying to save him, blah blah blah, and then the all mighty Ellimist puts things back in place so Tom's a controller again and doesn't remember that little convo he had with his brother(s)
I guess that'd be good for Jake, but it just kind of feels, idk, just dumb.
- Make Rachel the Ellimist's right hand woman when she dies
Besides "HURR SHE WAS AN ANIMORPH", what sets her apart from any other (female) Andalite warrior who died fighting the Yeerks?
- Give Cassie a decent battle morph
For god's sake, YES. It was bad enough she only had her horse morph on their first trip into the Yeerk pool. Come on, she was with the rest of the group when they were getting battle morphs. She could practically live at The Gardens. WHY THE DAMN WOLF ALL THE TIME?
- completely redo book 48 but keep the ending (actually scratch that, change the ending so we know what happens to David. I still think Rachel should let him live, only to be scooped up by Tobias who thought he thought was just a normal rat lol)
The Tobias ending would be rather humorous, but I personally think it wouldn't fit the serious nature of the ending of that book. The question of what to do with David was a very humane decision that Rachel had to make, and I think it would hurt her if Tobias just came in and ate David.
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if they are going to redo animorphs, they need to start right off from the beginning again.
yes the cliffhanger ending with the ships and what not is a tempeting starting point but it isn't what animorphs is really about.
it's about a bunch of kids given a gift and basically going to war over an advance alien race using conspiracy as a backdrop.
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I would like Casie to have a morph that doesn't require her to actually kill something to render it incapable to fight. Wolves just have their teeth, and Cassie would be less of a hypocrite if her only way to disable a Hork was ripping its throat out. Maybe give Cassie the gorilla morph, since munching it less fatal than biting. But then, what would marco have?
I don't quite have the answer to this, but the wolf is not good for battles. Hawk isn't great either, but at least he's up there to scout everything out. And Tobias spends 13 books getting used to being a hawk.
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- Making David a recurring villain
I don't know, that'd be big trouble for the Animorphs. I don't mean just because he can morph, but because he's willing to go to Visser Three/One and spill the beans. Something would have to be slightly altered so that's not such a big possibility, like maybe Visser Three/One wants David just dead, too.
True, I still think it'd work though. just have him appear once every few books like Visser 1 and Ellimist and Crayak do
- making Mellisa a more important character(maybe even an animorph) or at least make her one of the few humans who actually knew the animorphs identities(were there any humans who knew in the original series?)
Until they reveal it, I don't think anybody knew (though obviously the former Visser One and a few other Controllers suspected it). I guess after #30, ex-Visser One knew it for sure, and so Marco's mom also knew.
But if Melissa wasn't an Animorph but she knew about the Animorphs, Jake would take her into the group anyway. Another David situation, though more under control since Visser Three/One wouldn't know about her. Still, the Animorphs would know it's too dangerous to just leave her at her house; she'd be stuck holding life-or-death information in a house with two Controllers? No way.
oh right, I forgot Mellisa's mom was a controller too. I guess that really wouldnt work unless Mellisa moved away from her parents or somethin lol
- have a scene where Tom(for a moment) is freed and Jake(and younger brother if he's there) get to tell Tom about the Animorphs and how they'll never give up trying to save him, blah blah blah, and then the all mighty Ellimist puts things back in place so Tom's a controller again and doesn't remember that little convo he had with his brother(s)
I guess that'd be good for Jake, but it just kind of feels, idk, just dumb.
I waited the entire series for something like that to happen. lol I was so pissed when book 54 came and Jake and Tom had absolutely no interaction
- Make Rachel the Ellimist's right hand woman when she dies
Besides "HURR SHE WAS AN ANIMORPH", what sets her apart from any other (female) Andalite warrior who died fighting the Yeerks?
IDK, maybe the Ellimist gets lonely and jealous Crayak cuz he has Drode to keep him company lol
- completely redo book 48 but keep the ending (actually scratch that, change the ending so we know what happens to David. I still think Rachel should let him live, only to be scooped up by Tobias who thought he thought was just a normal rat lol)
The Tobias ending would be rather humorous, but I personally think it wouldn't fit the serious nature of the ending of that book. The question of what to do with David was a very humane decision that Rachel had to make, and I think it would hurt her if Tobias just came in and ate David.
lol that was joke actually I know that would probably never happen. I was just making a reference to a very funny fanfic I read
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I also hate that we never get to hear Tom speak for himself. What did he think about Jake after he found out the truth? We'll never know. It was about as maddening as Rachel's death.
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Now that you both mention it, that would've been a very awesome scene, just Jake and Tom, maybe both of them holding the Yeerk and slowing pulling it apart, JUST LIKE HOW THE YEERKS PULLED THEIR FAMILY APART (ha, just came up with that). GODDAMMIT APPLEGATE.
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Now that you both mention it, that would've been a very awesome scene, just Jake and Tom, maybe both of them holding the Yeerk and slowing pulling it apart, JUST LIKE HOW THE YEERKS PULLED THEIR FAMILY APART (ha, just came up with that). GODDAMMIT APPLEGATE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chx642w3Ob8
replace the record with the yeerk
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Now that you both mention it, that would've been a very awesome scene, just Jake and Tom, maybe both of them holding the Yeerk and slowing pulling it apart, JUST LIKE HOW THE YEERKS PULLED THEIR FAMILY APART (ha, just came up with that). GODDAMMIT APPLEGATE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chx642w3Ob8
replace the record with the yeerk
WIN +1
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Now that you both mention it, that would've been a very awesome scene, just Jake and Tom, maybe both of them holding the Yeerk and slowing pulling it apart, JUST LIKE HOW THE YEERKS PULLED THEIR FAMILY APART (ha, just came up with that). GODDAMMIT APPLEGATE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chx642w3Ob8
replace the record with the yeerk
I liked it better in Office Space. I won't post the video here though, because of the lyrics. :P
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- Make Rachel the Ellimist's right hand woman when she dies
Besides "HURR SHE WAS AN ANIMORPH", what sets her apart from any other (female) Andalite warrior who died fighting the Yeerks?
With regards to the Andalites, she was the only child who died actively fighting them, wasn't she? then again would leave the auxilliary animorphs kinda out of the picture, but perhaps if you count that she was fighting since the beginning...
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I just don't know what to believe! Such news does peek my interest but I am doing my best not to get my hopes up. If it is to be so I think a series re-read is going to be in my future now either way though :).
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Well whilst it sounds unlikely the thought terrifies me at the same time i look forward to it.
i fear that it would be aimed at children like the old book
I mean you read the conversations on this board and people are discussing the morphemes of andalite language, whether yeerks photosynthesize or how a yeerk would control someone with DID.... The fans are grown up and in university although we loved the original as children we basically just deconstruct everything in the animorphs because we've grown out of them at the same time the books themes were immortal and incredible. So I fear that they would either redo the old books with Ipods and we would have to relieve the whole 'my name is jake elfangor gave us the power to morph' even if the books were as thick as Harry Potter. So I would prefer if any new series continues on from 54 and the whole weird thing with the One gets explained etc but also that since the animorphs were 18 it would be ridiculous if the series continued on being aimed at 10 year olds, i mean that would expect that the animorphs never grow up.
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It'd be an absolute travesty for the books to not be aimed at youngsters. Children's literature is such a maligned and ****-choked field that kids need and deserve something smart like Animorphs to read. They need books that respect them, enrich them and interest them. The reason we keep deconstructing Animorphs isn't because we've outgrown them; it's because the books were written in such a way as to remain relevant even as we've gotten older.
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Well, I mean, some things were rather unrealistic (BESIDES THERE BEING ALIENS), like the lack of sex drive. Yeah, yeah, it's a kids' book, but they're RIGHT at the age where it's almost guaranteed that the one thing on a boy's mind is sticking it in a girl. Hell, with morphing, maybe the somewhat desperate Marco would go off in some morph and get carried away.
In the years they didn't see him, what did Tobias do? He kept his hawk act up, so did he make a little hawk family?
Definitely should make the "new" series for young adults and up. Not sex scenes all over the place or anything, but with respect to us somewhat older people (I say somewhat because, relative to most people here, I think I'm young). We know that jokes about their genitalia changing/disappearing would be funny. I sure as hell know that Marco would have complained about it almost every time he went wolf. And Tobias, stopping by Rachel's often at night? Psh.
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Haha, they could have a scenario where tobias swipes a box of condoms from a guy walking out of a store! :D
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And then, the next day, when someone no doubt finds out, an awkward silence moment in the barn. Then, Rachel slowly goes grizzly, flicks them all off, and walks out.
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Yeah, hopefully Tom never finds out!
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If you ask me, the ending to 48 was a huge part of what made it a good book. I really liked the ambiguity of not knowing what Rachel did with David (I am personally of the opinion that she had the strength to do the right thing and killed him).
i agree. the ending made the book.
very sad, sad moment.
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The bad science and a few inconsistencies and the pointless subplots (like Atlantis) and insufficient explanation of the Andalites and Yeerks and everything else. Is the sort of stuff that i think we deconstruct and is the reason I would like the books to be aimed at late teens rather that preteens. I would like the books to be much longer and less "my name is ___ repeat the exposition adnauseum" and more exposition about stuff we don"t already know.
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I thought her explanations of the Andalites and Yeerks was plenty for what the story demanded. However I do agree that not enough info was divulged to create accurate fanfics and other expansions from the Ani-verse
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yeah, the lack of concrete information was the reason I created my calendar.
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DO you think we can get K.A. to write a series Bible? Or at least approve of fan theories build upon interpretations of KASU? Compile a list of which situation was its?
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That is what I am trying to do, but still I am nervous and I don't want to come across as crazy fan.
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Don't worry, it won't make you seem like a crazed fan, just a curious one. At least, that is what I believe.
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No, if you go as far as to create a fictional calendar for an entire planet that only exists in a book series, that's called fanaticism.
But you should be proud of it. You care about something enough to try and improve it. Fanaticism isn't anything to be ashamed of.
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Alas reply: "
I'm sorry but I don't see how we can do that.
Best,
Michael"
I suggest that we all band together on one post called 'animorphs encyclopedia questions', summarise any simple, important questions, that are necessary for most fanfiction writers to know and they cannot interpret or decide for themselves (for example we can decide based on text if our Andalites are stoics or Shinto but we can't know how long a single yeerk generation lasts). Then someone with better social skills then me (and besides i have probably used my fanatical fan patience quota), emails it in and hope they can answer atleast a few questions. I would suggest either terenia or anijen...
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I'd be willing to help with a project like that, I just started a series re-read a few days ago. Also, I never knew how dark the series could be when I was younger! :o
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Hmm... maybe they'll just redo all the books with cooler updated covers and leave everything else the same? ya know, make it more hip or something.
I don't think rewriting it without the original authors would do much.
and, scholastic could just try and create a new audience aimed at pre-teens.
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Nah, I don't see the point.
Plus I can barely keep up with this one forum.
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Hmm... maybe they'll just redo all the books with cooler updated covers and leave everything else the same? ya know, make it more hip or something.
I don't think rewriting it without the original authors would do much.
and, scholastic could just try and create a new audience aimed at pre-teens.
going to be very hard.
every publisher in the industry is trying to get their own version of Twitlight aimed at teens just coming of age.
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Good!
And futz continuity, we are in the year of the reboot!
And perhaps they should aim a bit higher, split the difference between the old fans and the new.
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every publisher in the industry is trying to get their own version of Twitlight aimed at teens just coming of age.
Dunno if "Twitlight" was a typo or intentional, but I applaud you nonetheless.
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Same here actually. Remember when vamps were supposed to be scary, not sexual?
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i personally like the werewolf guy better. with his cut hair... and his nice body,
yumm.
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Please don't get me started on Twilight. If the.y did redo i would want more background information and consistency
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lol. cut hair and cut body. hahaah he is nice isn't he? LOL
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Animorphs board so this is off topic.
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to get slightly back on topic, someone was saying that if they could make a few changes (this was one of many things) one of them would be making Marco fully hispanic (this person was himself hispanic). I am assuming that his assement was based on Marco"s description of his father as being lighter (light brown eyes with dark brown as opposed to black hair) and taller than Marco or Eva and that his mother wasn't born in America and she spoke spanish. I always assumed that Marco was fully hispanic it's just that his father was more spanish (like apparently in Argentina distinctions are made between spaniards and native Mayan or Inca etc) and Eva was Aztec or Mayan or Inca and spoke spanish because she had been born in latin america (my preference is for Aztec in Mexico)
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Yeah, i thought he was hispanic too, or at least half.
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Everyone knows Marco is hispanic (it even explicitly says so) but is half or full? I am making the case for full but different kinds of hispanic (fully spanish father and aztec or mixed mother) I wish we knew his surname
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i just watched a few episodes of the tv show online and found this site..what a trip! i loved animorphs books/still do! i'm not sure if a revamp would work well though. i supposed anything's possible. i didn't quite like the ending to the last book, but i'm a young writer and i'm pretty sure that i could start where it left off, start it into a new series and give it a good send off. ambitious to say so, but it would definitely be fun..this site rocks!!!
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Welcome Ellimist757,
Yes, this site does rock.
Hey create an intro thread in the http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php/board,7.0.html section and meet most of the active members.
You may catch some flak, 'cause we already gots ourselves an Ellimist. ;D j/k
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to get slightly back on topic, someone was saying that if they could make a few changes (this was one of many things) one of them would be making Marco fully hispanic (this person was himself hispanic). I am assuming that his assement was based on Marco"s description of his father as being lighter (light brown eyes with dark brown as opposed to black hair) and taller than Marco or Eva and that his mother wasn't born in America and she spoke spanish. I always assumed that Marco was fully hispanic it's just that his father was more spanish (like apparently in Argentina distinctions are made between spaniards and native Mayan or Inca etc) and Eva was Aztec or Mayan or Inca and spoke spanish because she had been born in latin america (my preference is for Aztec in Mexico)
I don't think it was never specified if Marco's dad was Hispanic, but I always assumed he was white. In one book it mentioned that Marco's maternal grandmother only spoke Spanish and that his mother became a naturalized citizen.
I've always pictured Peter as being a generic white guy, like Scottish or German or something and Eva being from El Salvador or somewhere in Latin America (but not Mexico). He's defined by how much he loves his wife and I think that the cultural differences might make it more powerful, I guess. I don't know, maybe I thought I read somewhere that he was white or I assumed that he was because Marco only ever said that his MOM was Hispanic.
If both of his parents were, then why would his Spanish be so terrible?
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When was it written that his Spanish was terrible?
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I think that was in #11, when they were in the jungle.
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It was. It was when he was trying to translate the native's Portuguese for the rest of the group.
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The interesting thing about learning a language through family is that you get around 50 words,40 of which are foods.
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It was. It was when he was trying to translate the native's Portuguese for the rest of the group.
lol something just occurred to me...Ax has a universal translator, right? Did he end up translating? I can't remember, but they had a habit of forgetting him as a resource.
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Marco"s father cuold"ve been in america his whole life... Ax and another case of forgotten phlebotinum as well as in megamorphs 3.
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It was. It was when he was trying to translate the native's Portuguese for the rest of the group.
lol something just occurred to me...Ax has a universal translator, right? Did he end up translating? I can't remember, but they had a habit of forgetting him as a resource.
Yeppp
I think KA used it to explain how Ax understood the Animorphs and then forgot about it.
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They should do a re-release rather than an entire rewrite of the original series. If anything would be changed, maybe make sure there's more continuity. Also, maybe have K.A. re-write the lesser quality books written by some of the ghostwriters.
Or if it's easier, maybe release summary books including an overview of important events and storylines.
And then start a series of new books picking up from book 54, or some alternate version of book 54.
As for what age group the books should be aimed at... I always felt as if the Animorphs books could be enjoyed by anyone. But financially speaking for the series to be successful it should be aimed at young adults as they were before, but written in the same style as the originals. Because that's what we still enjoy about them eight years later, right?
Scholastic should NOT try to emulate Twilight, Harry Potter, etc. Animorphs is too good to stoop to that level. Give KA management of the project and don't have any more ghostwriters than is necessary to continue the series on a regular schedule.
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Scholastic should NOT try to emulate Twilight, Harry Potter, etc. Animorphs is too good to stoop to that level. Give KA management of the project and don't have any more ghostwriters than is necessary to continue the series on a regular schedule.
Very true, plus, one should remember that those series are different genres from Animorphs, so emulating them may not work well :lol: (and as an aside, why does the lol emote have Goku's hair?)
Yeah, the ghostwriters tended to cause some issues, like a change in writing style, that would throw me off a bit when I was a kid.
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I like the length of Harry Potter books...
Goku and Anne Frank?
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Goku and Anne Frank?
You know what is awful? I know of a story about that topic.
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We are probably talking about the same story, it was on tv tropes as the worst crack fic...The worst part is that I understand it: Who hasn't read or watched "The Diary of Anne Frank" and wished she had lived happily ever after?
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I remember reading it in school, and was saddened by the downer ending.
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Yeah, it beat that one story about the characters from Cowboy Bebop trying to find the Dragon Balls to wish Spike back to life. But yeah, I think we are talking the same story.
I remember my friend finishing book 54, her exact words were: "Wait...what? Is that it?"
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Yeah, my exact words were, "What the hell?!?"
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If there WAS an Animorphs V2, I would love to see the series updated to be more... timely. More focus on the Auxiliary Animorphs, and of course continuing what was started in book 54 would be nice too.
Like, for instance, in the more timely aspect, Marco going to find the governor, the Schwarzinator. <3
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turns out instead of a woman president (like KA said in 54) you got Obama
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Obama in the Animorphsverse would be neat, unless they made him a controller, then I'd be upset. After all, Obama is president in the Marvel universe.
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The Marvel universe that DISNEY CONTROLS.
As racist as it'd be, I'd still find it hilarious and awesome if Obama had to morph a gorilla or something.
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Maybe that's the reason Cassie didn't have a gorilla morph (which would've been more appropriate-see discussion on animorph kill counts) too PC. Since Obama is a kenyan rather than a west african, Lion would be more appropriate (admittedly he is a Luo not a Masaai but still close enough and closer to gorrilla).
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Even if people might think a black girl having a gorilla morph is kind of racist, it would still fit her. Between the five battle morphs, the gorilla is best suited for knocking out enemies without killing them.
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(I didn't read all the messages)
It's goos news, I think.
I'd like something for a older audience. With more about after the end of the war on Earth. I mean, for example, how the Yeerks, Humans, Andalites and Hork-Bajirs live together on Earth. It'd be funny ;) A little like True Blood show Humans and Vampires, but with aliens...
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I wouldnt want a rewriting of the ending. I think the ending was open enough to let the series continue from there? But i would prefer just a reprinting of the originals lol, in a box set so i can buy them :)
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heheh, that would be cool.
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yeah, a collector's edition. All 54+10 books in one huge package! That'd be awesome! It'd be in like a big display.
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i would love that, because i can't really find them ...haven't looked online though,
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They're suprisingly difficult to find even on the web!
Amazon only has a small collection.
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I bought some of the later ones off of ebay. I saw the Disney rage, I am with you. Then again, Steve Jobs owns most of Disney...so he owns Marvel?
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*also didn't read all of the posts*
A rumor like this....
No. Not an rewrited ending anymore. Maybe a story with new casts and old cast cameo, but no messing with the old ending. Our memories just doesn't work like that.
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I think I can repress those old memories well enough if they make a really good new ending. ;D
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*also didn't read all of the posts*
A rumor like this....
No. Not an rewrited ending anymore. Maybe a story with new casts and old cast cameo, but no messing with the old ending. Our memories just doesn't work like that.
OoooOoooo...maybe like a nother band of animorphs?
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Without having read all 13 pages of posts, I'd like to try and tackle some of the stuff in this thread.
A) Get over the original ending already please everyone. It may have been a little rushed but it was a fitting ending. It was a war. People die while othere lose their minds because of it. It's not always pretty.
B) I'd most expect a reprint much like Scholastic has done with Goosebumps and what Penuin has done with the Sweep novellas.
C) Applegate and Grant would most assuredly be involved and be treated as master editors. I'm sure the reprints would settle continuity issues and things left unclear.
I would also probably expect a few new stories to be tossed in the middle of the series but nothing after the finale. Why does everyone want more? Wasn't the ending really conclusive enough?
Now if I were Applegate and Grant, I'd do a rewrite. But on these conditions.
I'm a fan of Lost. Remember some of the alternate universes that sporadically created throughput the series? Write a complete story branching out from one of those universes much like the Lost crew will tackle in the sixth season of that show.
Just a few thoughts. No one grill me on them! Good day! =)
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The vast majority of Animorphs fans hated the ending. Get over that, please.
Yeah, a rewrite of the series that fixes various KASUs and implements recons early would be good as a minimum. Though there is a list of KASUs, I don't believe everything on the list is a KASU. Like watching Buffy on Thursday. Not a KASU because I did it myself when I was younger.
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Yeah, that'd be a good time to erase the moment when Jake as a human thought-spoke to Dude/Tobias.
The vast majority of Animorphs fans hated the ending. Get over that, please.
I second this motion. There's another thread divoted to the $*(# rapage that others call book #54, so I won't go on about it.
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I just hope that the new books will be made of stouter stuff. I no longer have any of my Animorph books; I read holes in them. The pages came out much too easily.
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hahaha, yeah, a couple of my books are in pieces. But I was able to keep the pages in order. :D
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That's because, let's face it, you guys, the Animorphs are pulp. We were lucky we got 2 hardcover Chronicles.
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My books didn't last very long either. One of the reasons why I really like the ebooks.
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Yeah, I just wish that they all could look like the first few, you know where the font was nearly the same, and each page corresponded with the book.
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I remember a while back, I decided to leave my childhood behind, and take my Animorphs to the secondhand book store. The guy took one look at them and poured them onto the nickel table. The seethe I felt then told me that while I might be done with Animorphs, they certainly weren't done with me.
And mods? Perhaps this exchange should be moved to a new topic about the books themselves, the physical objects.
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It was 5 posts of off topic-ness, I don't think that qualifies moving the posts. :D
But back on topic:
I hope they do do a reprint, that way I can get those books I'm missing. I've read them all, I just don't own them all... yet.
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Without having read all 13 pages of posts, I'd like to try and tackle some of the stuff in this thread.
A) Get over the original ending already please everyone. It may have been a little rushed but it was a fitting ending. It was a war. People die while othere lose their minds because of it. It's not always pretty.
B) I'd most expect a reprint much like Scholastic has done with Goosebumps and what Penuin has done with the Sweep novellas.
C) Applegate and Grant would most assuredly be involved and be treated as master editors. I'm sure the reprints would settle continuity issues and things left unclear.
I would also probably expect a few new stories to be tossed in the middle of the series but nothing after the finale. Why does everyone want more? Wasn't the ending really conclusive enough?
Now if I were Applegate and Grant, I'd do a rewrite. But on these conditions.
I'm a fan of Lost. Remember some of the alternate universes that sporadically created throughput the series? Write a complete story branching out from one of those universes much like the Lost crew will tackle in the sixth season of that show.
Just a few thoughts. No one grill me on them! Good day! =)
LOL, I always felt the ending was anything but conclusive....
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Yeah. So many loose ends, even if you don't include the bolivian army ending with them trying to rescue Ax.
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Hey if Anyone needs physical copies of the earlier books (up to about #18) the thrift stores here have lots!! PM me if you are interested! I could mail them out if you pay me the shipping and handling and the book cost.
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Okay, I don't know if there's another thread pertaining to this subject, and if there is, I heartily apologize. You can delete it if that turns out to be true.
That being said...
THEY'RE COMING OUT WITH ANOTHER ANIMORPHS SERIES!!!! Not known for sure, but if you'll check the news on Hirac Delest, they so there's a strong possibility. All I can say is I hope K.A. does it, cuz to me it's not Animorphs without K.A. at least writing the script.
Anyone know more about this?
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Me want. ;D
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If it does come out, what will it be like?
A reboot? A continuation of the One/Kelbrid situation? Different time-period/planet?
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Nothing is confirmed so far, but there's already a topic made on this here:
http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,3574.0.html
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Wow, that's awesome! I hope K.A. does it too... I love the way she writes.
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I wonder if the Animorphs will be older and if Tobias will come out of the hawk morph... I stopped reading at the last several books so I don't know what happened at the end yet! I'm going to have to catch up on the E- books lol
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merging.
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merging complete. HAHA.
anyway, has there been new information since the first post in this thread?
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don't believe so. just the posts on hirac.
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This would be so awesome if it happens. I am thinking of writing an 'updated screenplay' for like, the first novel. You know, have more fleshed out characters modernize it, ect.
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I really hope this is still on track....Michael and K.A. seem to be very busy lately (looking on Hirac), so I don't know if they have a whole lot of time right now...
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I don't want modernisation, but I would like to see KASU's continuity errors, more information and questions answered.
Why don't we create a list of all the the questions we have (not about personality but about andalites or yeerks etc such as 'do andalites deliver love young?") and hope they get fixed in the redux.
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That's likely come up before. I would like, at the very least, all KASUs and retcons corrected. Now there is a list of KASUs some people made, but there are things on the list that aren't KASUs. One I remember is the Buffy on Thursday one. I watched Buffy on Thursdays at one point, so I know it isn't a KASU.
But things like Jake using thought speak in book 1, and the conversation with the Andalite in book 8 where he says the war has been going on for centuries, and he was an advisor to the Horks. Those are retconned later.
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I'm not sure why The Animorphs have to be dead at all. They have crashed into ships before without dying see book 18 for a semidecent example. Or heck maybe they hit the blade ship and some other ship nearby saves them or even better The One is just another version of Father and it absorbed the entire ship.
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The ending is based on the original Bolivian Army ending. You can check it out in TV tropes and idioms. In that ending, it's implied that they did not survive. Although it is possible that they did, and she did leave it up to the fanfic writers to decide what did and didn't happen. Of course if I was a good fanfic writer, I'd just rewrite the whole thing, or use the time matrix as a reset button.
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I'd personally say that it was 100% likely that they died.
At least, I would have if the books didn't have a precedent of people somehow surviving dead-on collisions in deep space (Elfangor Chronicles) >.>
But, since there weren't any allies around this time, I'd say they're 90% likely to be dead.
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Yeah, there was no one around to save them like what happened with Elfangor. The only thing that would have done was kill Ax off, if his mind wasn't already gone anyway.
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I don't want modernisation, but I would like to see KASU's continuity errors, more information and questions answered.
Why don't we create a list of all the the questions we have (not about personality but about andalites or yeerks etc such as 'do andalites deliver love young?") and hope they get fixed in the redux.
I'm not sure about that kind of question as it doesn't really pertain to the war story this series was all about, but a list of questions that were not really answered could be an incredibly good idea. After all K.A. most likely does not remember the whole series like the fans do and she might need some help to get back on track.
Personally I would kinda want her to reread the series (which wouldn't actually be that hard given that they are relativley short books) before she picked up her pen again.
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I don't think that this will be a continuation of the old series. Personaly I think that they are just going to bring the series up to date and make a few changes to sell it to a new generation of tweens.
And don't count on Rachel surviving that is the one thing K.A. Applegate will never let anyone change. She wanted the story to have a gloomy end just like a war. That's the one thing she does throughout the series is address war as an awful reality where people die examples:
1. Ax says "Hate the war love the warrior" which is equatable to "Hate the sin love the siner" from the bible
2. All of the animorphs except all talk about nightmares and other sources of psycological pain from the war. Just look at what happened down in Texas a psycologist snapped.
3. Tobias trapped as a hawk refers is often refered to as their first casualty.
4. When Erek takes out an entire legion of Yeerks he refuses to fight anymore because he cannot forget.
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Not to go too far off-topic, but I've never understood why Erek can't just wipe that from his hard drive (or whatever the Pemalites called it).
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disk cleanup
defrag
empty the recycle bin
Maybe the Chee use Mac or Linux software
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>implying you can't erase data in either of those
Defragging doesn't erase any data, by the way. Disk cleanup is just Windows' way of finding files that it thinks you don't need because you haven't used them in a while and deleting them. It also deletes unused temporary files.
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quick, captain! The enemy is using a humor-dampening effect! We will not be able to laugh without scrutiny unless we escape it!
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Fire the giggle torpedos, Lieutenant!
Raise the sarcasm shields!
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... 0.o
And we're back on topic:
So, do you think this'll be a telling of a new band of Anis?
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I sure hope so... Actually, that was my theory... A brand new band of Animorphs somehow formed in another part of the country... maybe another part of the world... The story could be told parallel to the original Animorphs series... with conflict with some high ranking sub-visser or something... and different connections to the Andalites...
They'll probably all die to end the series, though, because otherwise the originals would have had competition for their fan base after the war... And KA probably wouldn't mind that at all... *glares*
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I sure hope so... Actually, that was my theory... A brand new band of Animorphs somehow formed in another part of the country... maybe another part of the world... The story could be told parallel to the original Animorphs series... with conflict with some high ranking sub-visser or something... and different connections to the Andalites...
They'll probably all die to end the series, though, because otherwise the originals would have had competition for their fan base after the war... And KA probably wouldn't mind that at all... *glares*
It's a good idea ^^ I'd like so much to read something like that.
I already thought about something like that, but for a RPG.
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Although, how would they get the morphing power? The only blue box was with Elfangor, and the Animorphs recovered it.
The Dome Ship is gonzo, so it can't be in there.
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Alternate universe? It's a possibility.
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She already did that with MM4.
Besides, if she made it seem like either this new series or the preivous series was just a "possibility" it would cheapen the whole series.
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Besides, if she made it seem like either this new series or the previous series was just a "possibility" it would cheapen the whole series.
Exactly... It would have to have actually happened at the same time...
Although, how would they get the morphing power? The only blue box was with Elfangor, and the Animorphs recovered it.
The Dome Ship is gonzo, so it can't be in there.
That's why there'd have to be another Andalite encounter, and another breaking of the law of Seerow's Kindness... Sure, it's unlikely to have happened, but isn't the truth sometimes more amazing than fiction?
Also, I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, but wouldn't it be really awesome if the writers of the new series interweaved events to subtly coordinate with the original series? Nothing so overt that the two groups would suspect each others' existence, but still things that fans like us would catch and point and laugh our heads off in awesomeness... *sigh*
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To avoid that cheapening of alternative universe whilst still avoid the pointlessness of 'meanwhile in the elsewhere another group of humans given the power to morph fought on" wouldn't it just be better to continue on where the old series left off.
It is reading the last book so far of Song of Ice and Fire, where in the next book is set at the same time as the present book, but set elsewhere, feels almost pointless.
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Yeah, it'd either have to be a rewrite or a continuation. Those are the only choices that wouldn't make the series gay.
And if there's any other writer besides K.A, I'm not reading it.
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If I enjoyed the series, I wouldn't mind another writer besides KA. But as a special condition, the writer must keep in touch with the fanbase to ensure things go well. Hopefully that writer won't run into an unpleasable fanbase.
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wouldn't it just be better to continue on where the old series left off.
Yes! Exactly! I wouldn't mind a rewrite but I want to know what happened after that crap-pile of an ending that took the form of book 54.
I don't see why people are so worried about the possibility of another author. There are some pretty good fanfics that do a very good job of writing K.A.-style.
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how about a re-write of book #54 and continue from there? ;)
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You'd have to rewrite 53, too, prolly...
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I wouldn't mind rewriting 53 and 54 and having the Anis and Toby's group to try to liberate the Hork Bajir Homeworld. I thought they would do that ever sonce book 13, and my suspicions became stronger after the book where they actually go there. I forget which one is is. 39? One of those 9 books I think.
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34, the worst book in the entire series imho
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That's actually a really cool idea... Hmmm...
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It was one of the weirder ones, and I guess since they never mentioned anything afterwards then the plot relevance went down the tubes. It just wound up bringing up yet another ending question: Why did Toby stay on Earth when she knew there was a resistance force on the Homeworld?
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To continue saving the captured on Earth. Technically, Earth was her home, not the H-B homeworld. It would be like Blue going to Africa to join a guerilla faction there.
Yeah, maybe this is going to be like a flash forward to a year or so after 54 and the Human race has gone spacial!
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*spatial
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To continue saving the captured on Earth. Technically, Earth was her home, not the H-B homeworld. It would be like Blue going to Africa to join a guerilla faction there.
Yeah, maybe this is going to be like a flash forward to a year or so after 54 and the Human race has gone spacial!
Who is Blue? And I figure after three years all the Horks that were on Earth would have been freed. So what was stopping her? I mean I guess she might feel like Earth is her home, but I would think her people would want to free the rest of their species and get their real home back. It really doesn't make sense to me.
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Blue. Author, Illustrator of RAF:TAS, RAFsims, and a couple other projects.
The Blue Army, Blueboi, Blue Tiger, etc.
Blue.
Yeah, but helping Earth would give them more soldiers and also hurt the Earth invasion. Besides, the H-B do whatever the Seer wants, and she probably wanted to save all of her Earth pals first.
What would be the point of helping a starving child two states over, if you allow your neighbor to go hungry?
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I'm talking about her leaving after the war on Earth is over. Earth isn't going to suffer for the Hork's absence after V3's troops are dealt with. The Humans aren't "going hungry" anymore.
And Blue isn't a Gorrilla.
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And Blue isn't a Gorrilla.
Hahaha. I hope you know what I meant, though.
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Sounds like you implied Toby and her people are a different species from the ones on the Homeworld. :huh:
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No, you know what a Geurrilla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare) is, right?
Not Gorilla, Geurrilla.
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No, you know what a Geurrilla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare) is, right?
Not Gorilla, Geurrilla.
For some reason I totally missed that word. I thought you said Gorilla. But whether or not Blue should go to Africa is something I can't talk about for lack of knowledge of the situation.
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Haha, Blue is black. I was saying that Toby was born on Earth, even though her heritage comes from the H-B homeworld; same as Blue was born in America (presumably), but his heritage comes from Africa.
But I digress.
That would be cool if Toby gathered all of the H-B and they went on an expedition to free the H-B homeworld.
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That would be cool if Toby gathered all of the H-B and they went on an expedition to free the H-B homeworld.
I like this idea... It's funny how nothing was mentioned about the H-B homeworld after the war... But I have a theory...
Remember how the Arn basically almost went extinct, and were driven to the deep valleys by the Cataclysm? And how they had to grow the super trees and create the Hork Bajir to maintain the ecosystem?
But the war devastated that delicate ecosystem, even within the lifetimes of Aldrea and Dak... The planet was a disaster area, with the trees being destroyed left and right (either as collateral damage, or deliberately by the Yeerks) and the Arn were herded into the awful (non-environmentally healthy) mining camps...
And don't forget about the quantum virus, that rendered a sizeable number of the vallies uninhabitable for H-Bs... Yes, the Anis went there with Quatzy to "start a resistance" and try to take back the planet, but seriously? There wasn't much planet left to take back... I'm guessing that pretty soon after #39 the Yeerks all but abandoned the planet anyway, because the resources that they could still acrue weren't worth the risk of losing people and ships to an Andalite attack...
I would imagine that Toby understood that the Free H-Bs on earth would have to stay there... in their new home... And rather than retreat to their decimated world and withdraw from the other civilizations, they could carve out a new life, and new respect for themselves...
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That would make sense. The Arn/HB Homeworld had a delicate ecosystem and many Horks didn't die from the virus were taken off planet to become soldiers. so if it was mentioned that that world was now dead then it would make sense.
However, I got the feeling that the world was still one of the two main bases of operations of the Yeerk Empire, and there must be something left to save if the Arn was willing to come to earth and give the Horks a chance to take it back. so it's contradictory.
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Mysteries FTW!
That'd be cool if the Andalites found a way to Terraform the planet, or if they could hack the Arn computer to restore the planet's ecosystem. That'd be cool to see in the new series.
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ITS CONFIRMED!!
http://www.hiracdelest.com/status.htm
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Cross your fingers and save your dollars people. in just over two years Animorphs will again hit the shelves!!
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and now the true test of how much of a fan I am will come to pass...I'm definitely buying the ones I'm missing, but am I rebuying them all?
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I don't have much hope.
Anyway: Toby and HB:
I think being of a different species on a different planet is different from being of a different race on a different continent. Hork-bajir would always be pets and living in nature reservations on Earth, if they regained their own planet (made an Aliyah if you like) then that would be much better.
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Oh, I'll be buying them all anew, definitely! If anything else, to help them decide to go ahead with Ani 2.0
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Wow, they're really making us wait for it. Hopefully they'll push it up and year sooner....
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I will probably not buy the reprints but I will save images of the new covers and stepbacks(?) on my comp. Not sure if they'll have stepbacks (they better!).
But I WILL be buying Ani 2.0.
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That would be so awesome if they did make a new series,though..I don't know if they should honestly.
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Well, if you don't buy the re-release, what would tell the publishing company that you're still intersted in the series?
Remember, Ani 2.0 is dependant on sales of the re-release.
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ITS CONFIRMED!!
http://www.hiracdelest.com/status.htm
I cant imagin why it would take two years to reprint what the stories they already have written for them, but you can bet that I am ready to rebuy them if it convinces them to make a true Animorphs 2.0.
Still I wonder if the new series could ever turn out any good. Still though, it's hope.
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As long as KAA is the author, Ani 2.0 should do well. :thumbsup:
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I'm surprised that they managed to get AppleGrant to agree to this, if they actually did. They're so busy with other projects...
Oh well, I won't complain, that's for sure. Each of the new books will surely find a place on my shelf. Classic AND 2.0. Then I can have a set for home and a set for school. :)
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ITS CONFIRMED!!
http://www.hiracdelest.com/status.htm
I cant imagin why it would take two years to reprint what the stories they already have written for them, but you can bet that I am ready to rebuy them if it convinces them to make a true Animorphs 2.0.
Still I wonder if the new series could ever turn out any good. Still though, it's hope.
I would assume they will take the time to edit it to make more sense. Removing Kasus, and implementing retcons early in the books. No more Jake using thoughtspeech in book 1, ect.
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Yeah, I'd say that's what they'll be doing as well (Hopefully anyway). And of course I'll be re-buying all of them. I gave most of my original collection away when I was younger, but even if I still had them I'd re-buy them. More sales = higher chance of Animorphs 2.0, plus new covers, plus potential edits within the books themselves.
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I'm definitely re-buying the series. Hands down. Unless I'm absolutely broke, but even then, I'll be asking friends to get me them for my birthday/Christmas.
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Oh yeah, I'm re-buying. Point the first, new covers. Point the second, new edits. Point the third, my books are getting old and they sure won't last forever especially given the rate at which I re-read them. Point the fourth, I want to do all I can to support Animorphs 2.0! :hyper:
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i will rebuy the series.
namely because i would really love 2.0 to come out.
animorphs really had a impact on my childhood and i would love to see a new addition to it.
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Oh yeah, I'm re-buying. Point the first, new covers. Point the second, new edits. Point the third, my books are getting old and they sure won't last forever especially given the rate at which I re-read them. Point the fourth, I want to do all I can to support Animorphs 2.0! :hyper:
i'm probably going to re-buy the messed up ones from 1.0 and all the 2.0 :)
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I wonder if they'll be re-released in other languages...?
I also suppose that it's a good way to know if a movie is a good idea. Imagine: new fans will appear, they'll come here, of course, but if they're enough, if Animorphs become more famous, maybe we can hope for a movie or a new TVshow. The re-release is definitively a good idea. Even if I don't think I gonna buy them ^^' Except if I want the English version of all the volumes...
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The thing about new fans is they will more then likely be alot younger so we'd have to be alot more careful with how we talk and what we talk about on here.
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The thing about new fans is they will more then likely be alot younger so we'd have to be alot more careful with how we talk and what we talk about on here.
Because it's all sex, guns, and drugs with us. ;) *snorts, and then coughs halfway*
Seriously though, I do like the idea of watching spoilers. Maybe make a sub-forum for non-spoiler topics, or vice versa...?
Also, just a reminder: nothing has been confirmed about edits, new models, artwork, etc. The new covers could very well just be the revamp of old covers with a different layout (I'm guessing). So let's not get too ahead of ourselves here, or build too high of an expectation from this re-release, in terms of changes. The series is still going to start and end the same way. (Although I'm glad that there is a good amount of positive reception from this bit of news, it could very well open up new possibilities if it goes well).
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The thing about new fans is they will more then likely be alot younger so we'd have to be alot more careful with how we talk and what we talk about on here.
yeah, i wouldn't like a sudden surge of young'uns on RAF.
maybe we could make a minimum age requirement? (13+)
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Yeah, 13 is a good starting age. I was 12 or 13 I think when I first started reading them.
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What, no RAFKids forum? The new generation of fans will need a place, too. :P
Personally, any work to be done to an established series like this makes me nervous. I don't like the thought of someone screwing everything up. A rerelease of the books would probably be a good thing, but I don't actually want them to edit the series (much). I love Animorphs for what it is, flaws and all.
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Hey; I haven't quite read all of the pages of this thread, so i don't know if I'm repeating anyone-I just wanted to say how I'm not sure whether Animorphs 2.0 is a good idea. First of all, the series has all but lost all its marketability. The 99% fans of Animorphs now are those who were fans during the height of its popularity; even during the height of popularity, many left Animorphs as they felt it was getting boring and repetitive, or were to impatient to read the releases; so even then marketability struggled. I don't think Animorphs has the durability of fanbase the way a series like, say, Harry Potter does. I don't think Animorphs would be successful if rebooted, especially since I believe it may start up and come to a complete stop in between the series.
And again, what could you really improve about Animorphs? I mean, I'm not blind; I see that the series has faults. Some loose ends. Some plot holes. However, I don't think it's worth a complete rewrite, or even a spinoff. A Spinoff would have to take place after the Beginning, into the realm of intense sci-fi; we would be past the level of missions, adventures, etc with morphing and move on to space battles and intergalactic missions if were were continuing the story. Many also mention the many "useless" books, books that did not impact the series. I personally liked those as well, because they had interesting happenings and were funny, and were entertaining to read.
Why would you want to make Animorphs for more "mature" readers. IMO i like the way it is; it is accessible by all. I read it when I was a kid, loving it. I read it again as a teenager, understanding much more in depth and loving it even more. I am in the process of reading it again now, at 17, and am still equally enjoying the books. There are layers of understanding here (although I think the last 5-10 books went completely over my head when I was 9, but now I regard them as completely badass and epic)
Last, I think the main reason we want a rewrite is Rachel. I know I don't want Rachel to die. I know that everytime I reread a book in the series I force myself to forget what happens at the end so I can pretend she is still among the Animorphs, up until the time she died in the opening chapters of the Beginning. K.A. Applegate can't change this, folks. Rachel is dead. The Animorphs are broken up. Ax is possessed by the One. Nothing will change that.
Not even a remake.
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I'd rather not dive into another Rachel death debate, since there are those that really feel her death was justified, while others feel if you etsablish a series where no main character dies, and even give an in universe example (which many shows don't, even though no main character dies or stays dead), then killing someone off in the last book in some contrived way just doesn't make sense.
If they do the rewrite, and feel that Rachel just has to die again, I hope they make it less idiotic. Of course Rachel's death was just the tip of the iceberg as far as what is wrong with the final arc and ending. I really really wish I was a good writer so I could make my own fix fic for the whole series.
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careful on the spoilers, please.
use [spoiler][/spoiler]
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I have no problem with [spoiler]Rachel dying[/spoiler], but I do hate all the loose ends that weren't tied up. I swear the entire book is just like one huge cliffhanger. I mean, we find out what happens to Toby, but we don't find out what became of Chapman (who had a HUGE central role at the beginning)? Really?
The only part of the book that actually felt "final" was K.A.'s letter at the end.
I REALLY hope they patch these (and some other) things up in the remake...
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Uhm, I didn't feel like reading 18 pages. Could someone give me a rundown on what's up, please?
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sure.
http://www.hiracdelest.com/status.htm
http://www.hiracdelest.com/blog/?p=59
an 'official' rumor.
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maybe they're doing this instead of the movie
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they definitely wouldnt replace a movie with a rerelease of the series, theres no reason they cant do both
Hey; I haven't quite read all of the pages of this thread, so i don't know if I'm repeating anyone-I just wanted to say how I'm not sure whether Animorphs 2.0 is a good idea. First of all, the series has all but lost all its marketability. The 99% fans of Animorphs now are those who were fans during the height of its popularity; even during the height of popularity, many left Animorphs as they felt it was getting boring and repetitive, or were to impatient to read the releases; so even then marketability struggled. I don't think Animorphs has the durability of fanbase the way a series like, say, Harry Potter does. I don't think Animorphs would be successful if rebooted, especially since I believe it may start up and come to a complete stop in between the series.
And again, what could you really improve about Animorphs? I mean, I'm not blind; I see that the series has faults. Some loose ends. Some plot holes. However, I don't think it's worth a complete rewrite, or even a spinoff. A Spinoff would have to take place after the Beginning, into the realm of intense sci-fi; we would be past the level of missions, adventures, etc with morphing and move on to space battles and intergalactic missions if were were continuing the story. Many also mention the many "useless" books, books that did not impact the series. I personally liked those as well, because they had interesting happenings and were funny, and were entertaining to read.
Why would you want to make Animorphs for more "mature" readers. IMO i like the way it is; it is accessible by all. I read it when I was a kid, loving it. I read it again as a teenager, understanding much more in depth and loving it even more. I am in the process of reading it again now, at 17, and am still equally enjoying the books. There are layers of understanding here (although I think the last 5-10 books went completely over my head when I was 9, but now I regard them as completely badass and epic)
Last, I think the main reason we want a rewrite is Rachel. I know I don't want Rachel to die. I know that everytime I reread a book in the series I force myself to forget what happens at the end so I can pretend she is still among the Animorphs, up until the time she died in the opening chapters of the Beginning. K.A. Applegate can't change this, folks. Rachel is dead. The Animorphs are broken up. Ax is possessed by the One. Nothing will change that.
Not even a remake.
the thing is this wouldnt be aimed at people who are currently fans but of nabbing the next generation of readers, it would be aimed at 8-14 year olds who have never heard of animorphs before. And you said its accessible now but it really isnt at all, its not sold in any stores and very few people know about the ebooks here (on that subject RAF will definitely have to take those down when the books are released again, scholastic might even contact richard before the release and tell him to take them down ahead of time)
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duff, we have another thread discussing the ebooks situation. :)
http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,4149.0.html
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ah sounds like smarter men than I are already thinking about the problem lol thanks for the link goom
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The thing about new fans is they will more then likely be alot younger so we'd have to be alot more careful with how we talk and what we talk about on here.
that's for the parents. kids either will already know or will know shortly.
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So, now that the re-release has been officially confirmed via Michael Grant himself on twitter (see RAFBlog or Hirac Delest), what are your thoughts? Any ideas what the 'elaborate' new cover designs may be? Excited? Grant said the re-release would be about a year away, sooner than originally thought!
I know I am psyched. I'm totally going to do all I can to make sure the reception and sales are through the roof. Hmmm....maybe I'll offer extra credit to all of my students who go out and buy them?
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So, now that the re-release has been officially confirmed via Michael Grant himself on twitter (see RAFBlog or Hirac Delest), what are your thoughts? Any ideas what the 'elaborate' new cover designs may be? Excited? Grant said the re-release would be about a year away, sooner than originally thought!
I know I am psyched. I'm totally going to do all I can to make sure the reception and sales are through the roof. Hmmm....maybe I'll offer extra credit to all of my students who go out and buy them?
Oh heck yeah, I'm excited! I'm thinking of contacting Michael on facebook (I friended him a while back) and pestering him for more information. I wanna know more, dang it! Are they just re-releasing the series as-is, fixing KASUs, or completely re-writing it? If they re-write, I hope they know, this time around, to give Tobias and Ax the same number of books as everyone else. That was something that always bothered me about the original series.
And, yes, good idea. Get your students to buy them, and maybe they'll tell all their friends how awesome they are!
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I don't know if I've commented on the idea of cover designs. I hope that they are more consistant this time around. Keep Tobias blonde, and don' have him look like Jake's brother. Keep the people on th covers looking the same instead of having different skin tones and such. Rachel looks too young in the Super Rachel book. That kind of stuff.
Also make Ax (or more specifically his tail) look realistic.
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Ooh, and his stalk eyes. Comparing Ax's stalks to Elfangor's or Aldrea's or Alloran's? They look ridiculous!
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Yeah they probably need to work on his whole body. It's just that the tail was always the most noticable for me. Even Elfangor's tail looked a little short, though at least his looked like it could hit something in front of him. V3's was perfect, and may have only been made that long so it would look more menacing.
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There WILL be new covers. (Our Scholastic source told us that they are supposed to be “ventricular”. Neither of us knew what that meant, but we’re guessing 3D covers).
"Ventricular" is a medical term describing the "push" part of an animal heart. "Lenticular" means "lens-shaped" and (among other things) describes a type of printing that looks different from different angles.
Lenticular printing can be used for two things.
First, you can make a decent, not perfect, 3D effect that's much larger and less expensive than the plain-light holograms on credit cards etc. It looks pretty darn cool, especially because lenticular printing is rarely used for this purpose so it catches people by surprise.
Or, you can use it for a sad-looking animation that never really works out right, the old "tilt to make Mr. Cheezy's arm wave" gag.
I think I know where Scholastic is going with this. Yeah. "Tiltamorphs." ::) I'm jaded though, believing that there's not much that can top the Japanese covers (http://www.amazon.co.jp/s/ref=nb_ss?__mk_ja_JP=%83J%83%5E%83J%83i&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=%83A%83j%83%82%81%5B%83t&x=0&y=0).
Actually, here's what I'm worried about: lenticular printing is even more expensive than normal hard cover. It's not so much a problem of real printing costs (maybe another $1 per volume), but that there's an industry rule that you have to make people pay more for fancier covers. (Seriously. Hardcover usually costs 25 cents more per volume than soft to print.) Last time around, Animorphs was priced to sell. It looks like they're going for a higher price point this time, what my terribly cynical self fears is a privishing attempt to kill off 2.0.
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yeah, i really hope they don't go for the cheesy 'tilt' effect.
do you think they'll still remain ghostwritten at points? :-\
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I actually can't see Scholastic doing any more work to the original series than slapping new covers on them. I feel like we'd be lucky to even get edits of the few grammar mistakes that are in the original books. They're a corporation; their view of the re-released series is not likely to parallel any of our fan wishes.
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Maybe not....but they do want to make money off of it, and some changes might be necessary to make money. Although I agree that major changes probably won't happen.
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THIS SPECULATION IS IDLE AND FRUSTRATING BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING BUT UGH I can't stop it :( :(:(
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We could always just form a big Animob and kick Scholastic's butt until they do it right ;D
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People have rallied for less.
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Well, there's really no point to them re-releasing the series unless they make some fairly major changes, right? There are so many electronic copies available, that I just don't see how they could profit from releasing exactly the same thing again. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I wouldn't think they would do something that's pretty much guaranteed to be a flop.
We could always just form a big Animob and kick Scholastic's butt until they do it right ;D
I'll bring the torches, you bring the pitchforks.
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Crap. Honestly, I'd hope for nothing more than a fix of typos and KASU's. Really, I don't think I want anything more, unless you could update it without being silly. As has been said, Animorphs was very 90's.
No matter what, I wanna know, but back to my original sentiment (crap):
I'm not gonna have enough money by next year to keep up with a re-release for a while! :'(
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There WILL be new covers. (Our Scholastic source told us that they are supposed to be “ventricular”. Neither of us knew what that meant, but we’re guessing 3D covers).
"Ventricular" is a medical term describing the "push" part of an animal heart. "Lenticular" means "lens-shaped" and (among other things) describes a type of printing that looks different from different angles.
Lenticular printing can be used for two things.
First, you can make a decent, not perfect, 3D effect that's much larger and less expensive than the plain-light holograms on credit cards etc. It looks pretty darn cool, especially because lenticular printing is rarely used for this purpose so it catches people by surprise.
Or, you can use it for a sad-looking animation that never really works out right, the old "tilt to make Mr. Cheezy's arm wave" gag.
I think I know where Scholastic is going with this. Yeah. "Tiltamorphs." ::) I'm jaded though, believing that there's not much that can top the Japanese covers (http://www.amazon.co.jp/s/ref=nb_ss?__mk_ja_JP=%83J%83%5E%83J%83i&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=%83A%83j%83%82%81%5B%83t&x=0&y=0).
Actually, here's what I'm worried about: lenticular printing is even more expensive than normal hard cover. It's not so much a problem of real printing costs (maybe another $1 per volume), but that there's an industry rule that you have to make people pay more for fancier covers. (Seriously. Hardcover usually costs 25 cents more per volume than soft to print.) Last time around, Animorphs was priced to sell. It looks like they're going for a higher price point this time, what my terribly cynical self fears is a privishing attempt to kill off 2.0.
I was confused when reading that email, so thanks for clearing up the term. I've made changes to the blog post and given you proper credit. :)
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Crap. Honestly, I'd hope for nothing more than a fix of typos and KASU's.
Agreed
I'll bring the torches, you bring the pitchforks.
Deal!
Anybody here happen to have some pull with Scholastic? We might be able to influence them without the pitchforks. Hooray ambition!
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Crap. Honestly, I'd hope for nothing more than a fix of typos and KASU's.
Why? I mean, us fans can go and fix the typos ourselves, that much is easy. And some pretty good efforts have been made at explaining away the KASUs, and getting rid of them altogether would be pretty simple to do, too.
I don't want to set my expectations too high, of course, for fear of being disappointed. But don't see how a re-write could possibly be bad.
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It just feels wrong to me for them to mess too much with the series. At what point does it stop really being Animorphs anymore? How does it work if there are two versions of the series around? Does that divide the fans? It feels a bit sacrilegious to change the past, even in fiction. We may not entirely agree with everything in Animorphs, but that's how it happened. Besides, I'm not sure how much I'd like a rewrite if KAA's not doing it, but then, I think I'm fairly biased towards her writing style (over any of the ghostwriters, for example).
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This is great! Dave sent the info to io9.com, linking hirac delest and the RAF Blog. Hopefully it gets posted! :D
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^ Pretty much what Aluminator said
This is one of the very few stories I'm involved in, and I really don't want to risk it falling on me. The good and the bad of the series, I'll take them together so long as their consistent. I'd even take a continuation of the series, but to start over and rewrite from book one; I'm looking at them on my bookshelf right now, and I can't help but think these are my Animorphs. The jokes, the awesome parts, the crappy parts, the parts that make you cry, those are mine those have revelance to this chunk of my life
To redo, even to expand in it just somehow feels debasing to that.
Also, my biggest fear is like I said, modernitiy. Scholastic can't just aim for the old fans, there's not nearly enough of us who will go in for that, and one of the big things on Animorphs that I'm sure most of us felt, was that maybe, maybe it was happening somewhere in the world where Powerpuff girls still had marathons, Marco's dial up was laughable and Arnold could believably save a drowning man. But that's not how it is today
If they start at book one with the present day notion in mind and Jake stops mid mission to pick up a cell and tell his mom he'll be in late (I'm exagratting of course, but you get my drift), that derides what I have now. A story I literally grew up with and that grew up with me
I'd hate to have to alter it to accomadate what was so good to me, even if the new is good too
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On the other hand, will the books sell to today's kids when they're filled with references that were originally meant for kids of the mid-90's? I'm not sure how many youngin's these days will get/care about Hansen references, or understand who Jason Jeremy McCole is supposed to be. However, if it was Mack Teflon or something... :P
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On the one hand, I definitely see your point. Yeah, these are the books we know and love, and yeah, I'd hate to see them ruined.
Then again, they can't hardly do a much worse job of that than the TV show has already done . . .
But on the other hand, I think it would actually be very interesting to see how things would change if Animorphs was re-set in a more modern setting. If it's done well, of course. How would cell-phones and the modern internet change their security considerations, for example?
I guess, my only desire is just that, whatever they're doing, I want it to be done well. Re-release the old series, or write a new one, I don't care, I just want well-written, thoughtful books. But then I look at the existing books that have actually become popular (Harry Potter, Twilight, etc.) and my stomach clenches. Oh man, I sure hope Scholastic doesn't try to go in that direction . . .
Okay, so I should amend my above statement. They have to be well-written, thoughtful books, and they have to keep the same general tone as the original books. Now, that isn't too much to ask, is it?
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I'm not sure how many youngin's these days will get/care about Hansen references
Hey, to be fair, I totally didn't get that one when I was first reading the series anyway ::)
You know what well-written, thoughtful books keep the same general tone as the original books? The original books ;D I'm actually really curious now to see what Scholastic decides to do with this, though.
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Guys, if you can, send an e-mail to tips@io9.com, saying a simple message like "Animorphs is being re-released in fall 2010" with a link to http://blog.animorphsforum.com
It'll up the chances that both RAF and the Animorphs re-release get spread to a broader nerd audience. There are quite a few articles on io9 that involve Animorphs, at least in passing. Go ahead and search "Animorphs"! :D
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anybody up for making dec 14th (when we officially found out) a RAFholiday? :D
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Maybe the holiday should be reserved when Ani2.0 is official.
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I'm with Parker on that one...
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oooooh elaborate new covers!? I'm so gonna buy every single one. Maybe they'll change what Jake morphs into on the first cover, I never thought that morph was very appropriate for #1
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I wonder if this means that someday my somewhat worn, yet still complete, original Animorphs collection will be super valuable. I'm not selling, by the way :P
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I wonder if this means that someday my somewhat worn, yet still complete, original Animorphs collection will be super valuable. I'm not selling, by the way :P
I was a library reader back in the day. The only hard copies I have are the ones the library didn't have, lost, etc, which totals to four books.
I wish I had the hard copies, but I don't honestly plan to re-buy the entire series. If it's about $8 a book, which is around what I expect, it will be over $480 for the entire new set. I love Animorphs, but I'm not willing to drop almost five hundred dollars to get something that I've already read.
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I think I remember it being between $4.00 and $4.50 when I was buying them. I live in Alabama USA, so it could be different in other areas.
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That's true. But the dollar isn't worth as much as it used to be. And, if weathel was right about the covers, it will be a dollar or two more per book - not a lot unless you consider that there's over 60 books.
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But if they release them incrementally, it won't be so bad.
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7 bucks a month won't be so bad. I used to spend more than that on World of Warcraft and I care way, way more about Animorphs...but...y eah, since it is something I already have read and own...I dunno. We'll have to see I guess x3
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On the other hand, will the books sell to today's kids when they're filled with references that were originally meant for kids of the mid-90's? I'm not sure how many youngin's these days will get/care about Hansen references, or understand who Jason Jeremy McCole is supposed to be. However, if it was Mack Teflon or something... :P
i had to google that name. this website is less cool because his presence was invoked.
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:huh:
Anyway, yeah, I spend $4.17 a month on Xbox LIVE, so it'd be almost the same deal.
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about the pop-culture references issue, it shuldnt be too hard to fix. all they have to do is simply edit which books in the series which has them. They have people whose sole job is this editing business at scholastic.
What i hope they don't change is the chacracters and creatures.
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If they make new covers, I hope that somebody will scan all of them ^^ Think about people who already have all the old set...
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I will just buy the ones I don't have, even if they don't have the same covers.
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Wow...this is incredible news.
I thought years ago that Animorphs (as a new merchandise type thing) was dead.
I had long hoped for a revival of the series, but after reading through this thread and seeing other people's opinions, I'm not so sure it will be received well.
I know I for one would not want ANYTHING to change about the original series. It literally altered my life from age 9 to 14 or so.
I wouldn't mind a continuation of the series, explaning that the One is really just a pawn of Crayak and that the Ellimist also has a few tricks up his sleeve to help the Animorphs out. It would have to include new main characters of course, since Ax and Rachel would be gone, Cassie would be on Earth still, etc.
However, to find out that the Animorphs are still needed in battles across other planets, helping to save entire species and races, would be pretty neat. They would battle it out and receive some extra powers in order to compete with Crayak's drones.
The series at that point would have to conclude with a final battle or a few final battles that would effectively end the war between Crayak and Ellimist, with one side winning their "Game" and the other taking his own life. Then the Animorphs can have a finite end.
That would be cool in my opinion.
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I don't know if I've said this before, but I'm not even certain KA really needs to be a part of the series 2.0. What I mean by that is judging from the way she did the ending, it's obvious to me she didn't care enough about the actual series and characters anymore. Only telling her message through the series. I would only care to have her back if she was going to totally devote herself to it. No running off to write a new series in the middle and getting ghostwriters to do it. And no tearing it apart so that things match her message and then getting crabby when most of the fans rage at her.
I will be happy to have her on if she really focuses and does it like it was done in the first half. But if she's going to do it like she did it in the end then we don't need her.
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You (not only you, Chad, of course) seem to be very angry against KA ^^'
I was also angry against Anne Rice 'coz she sold the rights for the 2nd "movie" (Queen of the Damned) and it was a s*** >_< I was so angry... but everybody do mistakes...
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I am mistrusting towards her. Though I guess she should be given a second chance, judging from Everworld and Remnants it seems she isn't very good at ending series or sticking with them to the end.
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Well let's not turn this into a critique on books end. Though I do doubt she'd be willing to return to it anyway.
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So, um, what's the status for animorphs 2.0?
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The will rerelease Animorphs in 2012 with new covers. Additional changes besides the new covers may or may not happen. If all goes well, they will make Animorphs 2.0. What thta will be, exactly, is unknown.
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That's soo far away!
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Yes it is. Yes it most CERTAINLY is. :'(
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The will rerelease Animorphs in 2012 with new covers. Additional changes besides the new covers may or may not happen. If all goes well, they will make Animorphs 2.0. What thta will be, exactly, is unknown.
So might graduate from high school and go to college with Animorphs books...sounds like fun! and I'll probably have a job by then...
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Boo!
I already have all the books but its not good enough.
I want the new ones!
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Me too!
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Here is one idea that I'm not sure has been discussed.
I would like to see within the re-release of the books, I longer version with more detail. I know that what we have so far was 54 books, but some of them were completely useless and took away from the main story line (Jake's grandpa, Cassie's Sydney trip). It would be better if those were just a few chapters of a bigger storyline.
I would like to see about 10 books or so, each one much longer and more advanced than the old books. Maybe have roughly 4-5 main characters narrate it in different segments. Still cover the full story, but just take out some of the stuff that didn't need to be there, while adding some new material to the storyline.
That just seems to me it would make more sense.
Although I've said before I don't want any change to the books if they re-release, after thinking more about it, I think this would be want I want to see.
Also, if they do decide to continue the story, can't they just say that The One was one of Crayak's inventions and have the Ellimist turn time back to the final battle, changing everything by not allowing the Blade ship to escape?
Maybe Visser 3 doens't die and then the story can continue with them fighting on a broader scale, in sort of an all out war (but still guerilla warfare tactics).
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2012... two years! Why two years? I guess because 2012 is supposed to be the "doomed" year. LoL. I look forward to the re-releasing and 2.0.
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The latest Hirac Delest update (http://www.hiracdelest.com/blog/?p=73) said we were expecting the rerelease either late this year or early 2011. Maybe they wanted time for people to get into the series before the world ends :P
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Man, I might be able to buy the new nvasion all over again, for my B-day. Awesome.
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Arg! Reading the new update, it makes me wanna buy at least some new volumes ^^'
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Hey guys, I'm really behind on animorphs news...last I checked there were rumors of trying to make animorphs 2.0 happen, but I take it its definitely happening now? Do we have more info on it at all? I understand their re releasing the orignals, but does this mean new books as well? if so, do we know wether or not it would pick up from the original timeline, or if this is more of a reboot? Either way its exciting to see this getting revived again.
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Hey guys, I'm really behind on animorphs news...last I checked there were rumors of trying to make animorphs 2.0 happen, but I take it its definitely happening now? Do we have more info on it at all? I understand their re releasing the orignals, but does this mean new books as well? if so, do we know wether or not it would pick up from the original timeline, or if this is more of a reboot? Either way its exciting to see this getting revived again.
Full info here:
http://www.hiracdelest.com/blog/?p=73
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i don't think they should rewrite the last book, just continue from it. This would be a brand new world of animorphs, it would be more star wars i think. It would definately have to incorporate more space aspects.
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I have been away too long! SO much has happend. I got a scarry email about my acount going to be deleted so i fly over to put a stop to that, and I find out about a re-release? and POSSIBLE 2.0? that is such FANTASTIC news. weather they update them or not i think this is a wonderful thing. Just dont change them too much, which doesnt sound like the case so far. Im now 23 and i will do my part by exposing all my nieces and nephews to the series, i guess uncle adam will prob be buying them books! (sorry to those nicer than me i just dont trust the youngins with MY books just yet! Heck for the longest time they were some of the only ones left)
all in all a good day.
one question to the topic at hand, if and i understand it is IF, they get a 2.0 or rather a continuation/reboot, has anything been confirmed or even rumored that katherine and michael will come back
*just checked my profile, it would seem all my old posts are gone as i have 1 now. thats ok though i guess, prob only had like 60 somthing before and i have been away for a while. maybe just know for those who might remeber me, im the same old vashts as always.*
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Well, if ya have questions of KA and/or Michael, go to the http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,4471.0.html thread here.
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I actually can't imagine Katherine and Michael would be too interested in jumping on board for another Animorphs series- chances are we'd get another author. I'm honestly not remarkably optimistic about a 2.0 being approved, but I could be wrong. It would certainly help if the Animorphs relaunch has the full support of this community ;)
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why would they need another author? if they relaunch the series they would just need to fine tune some stuff. the changes would probably just be aesthetic.
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Oh, I was talking about 2.0,
if when it happens.
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:huh:
wait...is 2.0 going to be something completely new? and...is it actually happening or is it still speculation?
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Scholastic is definitely re-launching the original series, probably early next year. From what I've heard, they're essentially using the relaunch as a way to test the market and see if an Animorphs 2.0 (sequel series) is viable. If the relaunch does well, we may get an Animorphs 2, but it's no more than speculation at this point.
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This is going to make my bookshelf double awesome.
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Okay, so I’ve been reading through and thinking a lot about this. Firstly, I don’t really like the idea of a continuation… Like maybe one book… But the whole ‘fun’ of the novels for me was the animorphs fighting and living with double lives.
Something I would like however is a ‘new band’ of animorphs. It was suggested earlier that they could intertwine stuff the new animorphs do to make stuff in the old series make sense. I think it makes sense for this new group to be somewhere like the UK, maybe London, to get away from the whole small town vibe they had in the originals?
Anyways, they would pretty much have to die before the war went public… I would love it if they finally found out about the other ones and died to save them.
Having said that, they could begin there fight earlier. One of the biggest questions in Animorphs is “why does Elfangore have the Escafil device on his ship?” It strikes me that the ‘new guys’ could have done something to cause that. Don’t ask me what, I suck at ideas!
I would like them to be about the same age, but have the books have more sex drugs and rock n roll.
I still want them to alter the original series, despite the fact that I got misty eyed a few pages ago when a member talked about a world where "powerpuff girl marathons still happend and Arnie could save a drowning man."
The point here is that the nineties mean very little to those born in 99. We have to realise that those are gonna be the kids on here if this thing happens.
And don't worry, if we ever want the originals, thats what they are there for. Plus, having a new set of books will give us something to complain about, and like fans of the original star wars we are way cooler than anyone who likes the prequels.
Thank you and goodnight :D
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I'm sorry, small town vibe? They have a mall. What small town has a mall?
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I grew up in a small town. We didn't even have walmart. 3 small towns shared 1 highschool..
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Yeah once you get to a place with a mall or superwalmart, you aren't in a small town anymore imo.
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Okay, okay, maybe like suburb of city vibe :D
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Finding out about this possibly happening makes me so excited!
If only my books weren't in storage. I actually did a full re-read through all of them about a year ago. So much stuff I know I wouldn't have picked up on the first time around.
The idea of a Euro-animorphs sounds cool. I'd read that. But then, I'd fork out my money all over again if they just did a re-release of the originals.
Also, they better make a movie. It's be so wicked awesome I think I'd die.
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Actually it was more of a city, in book 45 Ax said dropping the nuke would kill over 30 000 people, so it's NOT a small town, a very large town or small city yes.
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30,000 is considered small in california where my home town, Anaheim, is considered average at
250,000 335,000 people.
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So I asked David Mattingly if he had been approached to do the new covers, and he says he hadnt even heard about the revival til I mentioned it. I think it would be a shame if they didnt have the original cover artist handle the new ones.
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lol really
ps how do you know david mattingly?
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I dont really, just found him on his Youtube account.
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ooh...
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Actually, I don't think I'd mind a new artist having a hand at it. Mattingly obviously left a pretty solid impression on the series, but his style was very 90's. If they're updating the series they need a more modern type of cover with a lot more glitz and whatnot than the last books. One of the big things they are changing is the cover art, and it's obviously because they want to update it, so....I can understand going with a new artist.
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How is his style 90s? Maybe the clothing the characters wore, the hair cuts, etc, but that's not really part of his style. those can be changed. and I'm not even so sure you can really assign a painting style to a decade... unless you go way back into vintage stuff.
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Mattingly did a great job with the 50+ covers for Animorphs, but I also agree with Terenia, in that I wouldn't mind giving another artist a try at a new style for the covers, if they were completely remaking them anyway.
It wouldn't surprise me though, if Scholastic just reused the current covers to make them 3D. (Nothing's confirmed at the moment, just my guess).
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I dont think they would be able to make 3d covers without the original photoshop files of each cover. it can be done, but not effeciently enough.
and its not like their actually remaking them, just re printing. Even if they changed a few references here and there it would still have the same content as before. why in that case would you want to try a new artist? this is not the time to do it. maybe if they were to to actually continue the series (or a total reboot of sorts) then I would agree.
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It is not uncommon for a reprint of a series to have a new more up-to-date cover style, usually with a different artist. The Alanna series, for example, by Tamora Pierce went through a reprint and they changed the covers drastically. Nowadays book publishers tend to lean towards 'darker' covers that eek of mystery and more gothic themes, whereas in the 90's, when the monthly kid series was popular, they went for 'lighter', less realistic themes. IMO it's kind of like comparing the Ani cover art with the Everworld cover art.
Besides, Scholastic made a point to mention new holographic covers as a part of the re-release. In fact, that's the ONLY thing they mentioned really. I think it stands to reason that they mentioned it because they want to go in a new direction with them.
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I was searching for a different topic entirely and found this. I must say that my heart skipped a little at the title. It's probably just a rumor but I like to speculate. I would love to see a revamped series with slightly older kids (14-15 instead of 12-13), a little language, maybe even a little sex. Maybe not nightly romps in the bedroom (and certainly not rated R) but at least seeing the kids thinking about sex. And, as for language, none of this, "And [insert favorite animorph] said a few choice words" BS.
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I think I would like that. Older characters, aimed at an older audience, longer books. But at the core, they would have to stay the same. The issues the characters dealt with, maybe a little refinement more development and diversity, would have to be about the same.
The sense of humor of the books was what really got me hooked (twice) so that would definitely have to stay.
The shades of grey in the series, that you aren't really that different from your enemy, when is killing ethical, when is it not, what's justified in a war for your very survival, how you can fight without becoming the very thing you're fighting against, that would definitely have to stay.
I'm not really against more romantic involvement between the characters, but I do not want to see the series become about that, I hate it when that takes over the plot of stories.
Maybe some more moments like in the books 20-22 where there's this utter desperation, and exhaustion, where it's not about a quick battle but a slow methodical chess game. Although again these moments shouldn't completely take over the series it would be really cool if there were more of them.
Times when people pay the price for making the morally correct decision. I mean, I'm hard pressed to think of a time when it bit them in the butt for taking the moral high ground despite that they did it a lot.
Less avoidance of killing in the series, most of the time the books went out of their way to mention that they didn't kill some one in a fight. I absolutely do not want to see violence and killing just for the sake of violence and killing, but I also don't want to see it avoided just for the sake of it being avoided. If it fits the story then it should happen. The avoidance of it also waters down some of the ethical and emotional dilemas the characters face.
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It would be nice, but we have to keep in mind that AppleGrant has absolutely ZERO involvement in the reprinting process, so I doubt there will be too much rewriting done. At absolute most they may re-edit them and fix up some consistencies. Or, the other route they could take, is to get a ghost writer of some sort to take over the re-write, and we all know how hit and miss that can get...
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Really? she's not involved? wow, then yeah, just clearing up the inconsistances would be fine, not even updating the references and stuff would prolly be good since that's where a lot of the humor came from.
Why isn't she involved?
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No clue. Scholastic never contacted them about being involved. They haven't been contacted at all in regards to the process and, since Scholastic owns the copyright, they technically don't have to be. Scholastic can do whatever they want with the Animorphs brand, with or without KA and Michael's consent.
Both Applegate and Grant have expressed a certain amount of...dissatisfactio n...over this fact.
Another factor is that both authors are currently quite busy with separate projects. Applegate is working on her children's lit (specifically Home of the Brave) and Grant is busy with GONE and Magnificent 12.
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I wonder if it's possible to get books published without handing over the rights to someone. I'll probably never be a good writer, but if I did manage to start and finish a story, I wouldn't want to give the rights up just to get it published.
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I wonder if it's possible to get books published without handing over the rights to someone. I'll probably never be a good writer, but if I did manage to start and finish a story, I wouldn't want to give the rights up just to get it published.
Nope, not really, but the publishers don't actually own the rights, they have a license for a certain amount of time. When an author signs a contract, they are granting the publisher the temporary right to use their [the author's] property. Generally, rights revert to the author when the book goes out of print (this can be a bone of contention with print-on-demand since someone could order one copy and the book would be "in-print").
Once the author signs the contract, their control is slim. They usually don't get a say in the cover design for instance. With the reprint, it's really up to Scholastic, since they're taking the financial risk of the reprint. They really SHOULD consult the authors, in the name of good relations. But the contract probably says that Scholastic doesn't HAVE to.
And I'd think Applegrant would retain movie/tv rights. Lots of agents will make sure that those rights are NOT given to the publisher. Sometimes it happens; I don't think they expected Animorphs to be so successful, so maybe they didn't bother to hold onto those rights. It's all down to the contract that was signed.
By the way, I work in publishing, LOL.
For the reprint--hopefully they'll fix some typos/consistency errors. I would like new covers. I just didn't like the old ones. I loved the megamorphs 4 cover, very dark! Holographic covers sound . . . tacky. Either way, I'm going to buy up the five or so books I didn't get the first time around. Maybe I'll get doubles of a few of my favorites. Maybe I'll just go to the bookstore and go, "YES! ANIMORPHS ARE ON THE SHELVES AGAIN!"
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Yeah, Katherine and Michael definitely didn't hang on to any of the TV/movie rights for Animorphs. They mentioned (in http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=4471.0, maybe? I don't remember for sure) that they weren't consulted at all that it was going to be a TV show, and actually found out via the advertising.
Maybe I'll just go to the bookstore and go, "YES! ANIMORPHS ARE ON THE SHELVES AGAIN!"
At the very least, I'm going to be right there with you on that one ;D
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With Tocade, few days ago (during our little RAFcon), we thought about what it would be to see kids talking about the beginning of Animorphs in the streets... If the Animorphs are reprinted in English and have success again, maybe they'll be reprinted in other languages too (like The Vampires Diaries and The Southern Vampire Mysteries who are re-edited in French now with new covers), and kids (and maybe even young adults!) would talk about Animorphs, and guess what happens next... And Tocade and me would be (probably like you in your country) "hehe they don't know Elfangor is Tobias's brother" or "Don't hope too much for a love story" and that kind of stuff lol