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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: wotw2112 on June 26, 2009, 04:19:35 PM
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It just seems to me that of all the Animorphs, K.A. enjoyed seeing Marco get fatally wounded more than the rest. Maybe I'm wrong but it was always Marco who was getting the most severe wounds and the nearest to death (save at the end of course).
I recall multiple times when he was gutted, Erek had to shock him back to life at least once, and he died as a ****roach.
Maybe I'm way off base on this but it always seemed like he usually took an extra beating.
Anyone recall any other such instances or disagree?
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Oh I agree whole-heartedly. I think it was a way to freak you out. Marco was the comic relief, he was the group's light. And if you think he's going to die, it makes you care just that much more.
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I remember reading somewhere about Marco being one of her favorites. Ironically, a lot of good writers tend to treat their favorites like crap and tear them through the emotional and physical wringer.
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Bad stuff happened to everyone. Though I don't recall quite as much happening to Cassie or Ax. I haven't noticed a significantly higher number of things happening to Marco.
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Actually, yeah. His tail got shredded as a Dolphin. He got pulled apart as an ant. Erek had to restart his heart as a Gorilla. And that was all in the first decade of books.
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Every single one of the kids got messed up.
It wasn't just the M-Dizzle.
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I'm gonna have to agree with AlothAssassin. Marco doesn't seem to take any more beating than the others did, save tobias because he was usually lookout as a hawk...
jake got squished as a fly
rachel got eaten by stomach acid, twice I might add
cassie exploded as a flea when jake demorphed from dragonfly
ax got his arm hacked off before
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I mean, Marco in #10 only gets so screwed in that battle because he's the narrator. And had to black out in order for the story to move on to Erek killing everyone and everything in sight like the murderous metal dog-man bloodlusting obliterator that he is. ;D
They all lose an arm or get stabbed or slip on their own blood at some time or another.
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I'm gonna have to agree with AlothAssassin. Marco doesn't seem to take any more beating than the others did, save tobias because he was usually lookout as a hawk...
jake got squished as a fly
rachel got eaten by stomach acid, twice I might add
cassie exploded as a flea when jake demorphed from dragonfly
ax got his arm hacked off before
Yep, and Tobias got tortured, not to mention being stuck in morph...
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Yeah, he had to pass out in 10. I mean, you don't really want his describing what Erek actually did to those controllers, did you? I imagine it would be similar to watching a child pick bugs apart, in how one sided that
battle slaughter was.
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actually I would have loved that description
/sick fascination with violence
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It's almost tempting now to do a re-read and make a list of all the serious injuries each the characters endures. It would be tedious, but would probably show that one character doesn't get beat on more than another.
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actually I would have loved that description
/sick fascination with violence
Ditto, but I'm not sure Scholastic would have agreed. :(
In some books they are more casual about mentioning injuries than others. Especially the injuries of others who aren't narrating. I remember reading a few times something along the lines of, 'oh, Jake was minus an ear and a leg, and someone had gutted Marco'. Earlier in the series stuff like that would have gotten more description. But I guess the Ani's....got used to getting their limbs hacked off?
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It's almost tempting now to do a re-read and make a list of all the serious injuries each the characters endures. It would be tedious, but would probably show that one character doesn't get beat on more than another.
That would certainly be definitive. I guess it's just a general feeling I got throughout the series: that Marco just gets beat on more (not to say they all didn't get their fair share).
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In some books they are more casual about mentioning injuries than others. Especially the injuries of others who aren't narrating. I remember reading a few times something along the lines of, 'oh, Jake was minus an ear and a leg, and someone had gutted Marco'. Earlier in the series stuff like that would have gotten more description. But I guess the Ani's....got used to getting their limbs hacked off?
It may have been ghostwriter's preference - some people may not want to go into depth describing gore. Still, losing limbs loses it's glory when a quick 45 second demorph will fix it right up. I remember a scene from one of the books, I can't remember which number, Rachel beats a Hork-Bajir to death with her own severed arm.
Still, anything not immediately lethal can be almost completely disregarded - if it won't kill you within two hours, you've got bigger things to worry about. Losing an ear or an eye sucks, but you can still fight until you can demorph. Being gored or losing a limb is the only real way to create stress; trying to escape a fight to demorph creates tension in what would otherwise be an almost monotonous fight. Still, after it becomes almost as a habit, the anxiety created by it will eventually decay, and this will likely also show in the author's writing.
Also, while depressing, it may have been as simple as a publisher saying that describing internal organs isn't what they want in their books.
Back to topic, I have noticed that Marco was definitely the most injured towards the beginning, but as the books progressed, it seemed as if it was about even for everyone. Each character somewhere along the line had a defining moment, given in different books. If everyone was gutted in every book, it would get very boring very quickly.
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I don't think describing exactly what Erek did in there would have been a good idea. :o I mean, he killed, what, 50-60 people? Like a third of them humans?
That alone makes it the most intense knock-down drag-out standing battle in the entire series. With a target audience of 12 year olds, you don't exactly want to be describing the canine android pulling people's heads from their shoulders, etc.
But the way it was structured works really well. Fade to black, open on scene of building with eerie smoke and tales of destruction. Scares the hell out of anyone.
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But the way it was structured works really well. Fade to black, open on scene of building with eerie smoke and tales of destruction. Scares the hell out of anyone.
With that, I definitely concur. The series certainly had its moments...
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actually I would have loved that description
/sick fascination with violence
I think we have Animorphs to thank for that lol
I do remember one time Marco is fighting with one hand while using his other hand to hold in his guts lol
Maybe because Marcos morph was so close to human they thought it would hit home more. Reading about losing a paw or a tail isnt quite as visually graphic or jarring than spilling guts or a gash across the chest.
Yea the way they did that scene in #10 was fantastic. They could have described it and it would have been gruesome, but in the end it would have gotten kinda repetitive and wouldnt have really covered the scope of his actions. Instead they cut to five little kids who have to relay what just happened with horrified looks while erek sits alone in shame and horror. Much better lol
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I agree, I think that scene worked fantastically the way it was executed, but I still have to question, exactly how did he cut through 50 Hork-Bajir and a dozen or so humans in all of two minutes?
Maybe imagining how is the point
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It's shown in book 17 that he can move extremely fast. And it's said that his planet's gravity is stringer than Earth's. So he's quite strong as well. He ran from California to the bottom of the ocean in ten minutes, if I'm correct.
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well not exactly run. you can't run on water no matter how fast, at least I don't think you can...
and I don't think erek was even in book 17...
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I'm pretty sure he meant book 27, with the squid.
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27. Yeah. And I'm not saying he ran on water. I'm saying through, which would be difficult to do. Water has a tendency to impede movement.
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I agree, I think that scene worked fantastically the way it was executed, but I still have to question, exactly how did he cut through 50 Hork-Bajir and a dozen or so humans in all of two minutes?
Maybe imagining how is the point
He's a super-strong, super-fast, super-advanced android from another planet. Taking all that as a given ::) , his ability to destroy even hundreds of enemies at once somehow doesn't seem like that much of a stretch... ;)
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27. Yeah. And I'm not saying he ran on water. I'm saying through, which would be difficult to do. Water has a tendency to impede movement.
you can't exactly run through water either. you can run along the bottom of the ocean but you can't exactly run through water...
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Sorry, Morf, but I think you might be being a tiny bit too literal. Erek either ran on the ocean floor or swam really fast. Considering his weight, he probably ran.
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If you're running along the bottom of the ocean, you're still running through water. But that's not the point. The point is that erek is frickin' fast.
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I know, but I just like to be real precise with words...
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True, but what we're saying is that... even if he's running on ocean floor, there's still water all around him. Thus, he's running THROUGH the water. That's being precise.
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running through water isn't necessarily on the ocean floor. it could also be floating in the middle of the ocean and running, which would be getting nowhere...
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I agree, I think that scene worked fantastically the way it was executed, but I still have to question, exactly how did he cut through 50 Hork-Bajir and a dozen or so humans in all of two minutes?
Maybe imagining how is the point
I always kind of saw it as like this Hulk-meets-Terminator type of rampage, y'know? He's probably completely silent, Arnold style, but mowing through the phalanx of guys like some angry jolly-green-giant in a moment of "die die die".
Hey, maybe he even had little circular saws come out of his hands of something. >:D BZZZZZZZ. Aaahh!
I scare me.
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I remember reading somewhere about Marco being one of her favorites. Ironically, a lot of good writers tend to treat their favorites like crap and tear them through the emotional and physical wringer.
That is true <_< i know because i do it. I don't know why i just do.
but i don't think Marco had more than teh others he was just good at describing his injuries more than the others.
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actually I would have loved that description
/sick fascination with violence
LOL you need help.
i recall a scene where Marco had gotten his arm ripped off in battle and he was using it as a club to beat up the Hork-Bajir. Lol, crazy/sick imagination KA had....
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I think that was Rachel who used her severed arm to attack Horks.
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WHAT?! When did that happen?
That's actually awesome. :P >:D
"Take THAT! And THAT! Choose your weapon! Tally-ho!" Gorilla dueling. With severed limbs.
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I mentioned that earlier in this thread. And it was indeed with Rachel. She used her severed grizzly arm as a club. Pretty awesome, if I do say so myself.
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That's a whole new level of hardcore. Why can't 99% of people be tough like that, instead of whiner babies this generation?
"Cut off my arm? I'll just pick it up and BEAT YOU SENSELESS with it! Yarr!"
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Well...Rachel always was pretty badass. this truly defines it.
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running through water isn't necessarily on the ocean floor. it could also be floating in the middle of the ocean and running, which would be getting nowhere...
He didn't have to run, he could've swam, with his extremely fast legs, they would've worked as an insane propulsion. Even to counter-act his weight and lack of bouyancy.
On Topic, everyone got hugely mauled in this series, but Marco was kinda the pin cushion in the start of it.
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Except that he wasn't. :-\
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Yes he was. Through at least the first ten or so books, Marco is the one that got hurt the most.
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He does in #10, but that's because he's narrating. I can't remember anything from #1, #2, #3...
He had the dolphin/shark thing, and the ant stuff...
Was there anything else?
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He does in #10, but that's because he's narrating. I can't remember anything from #1, #2, #3...
He had the dolphin/shark thing, and the ant stuff...
Was there anything else?
book 10: he nearly got swallowed by a crow in spider morph
book 5: nearly got boiled as a lobster
... and that's all I can think of, actually
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Should the ant thing count? Weren't all of them being ripped apart? So that one thing applies to all of them.
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Right, but Marco has a few more instances than the others.
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Maybe she started out having Marco be the buttmonkey of the group, but then decided to let the others have their turn from time to time.
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Maybe is was irony, the one that wanted to be in the group the least got the most punishment.
"Haha! That's what you get for complaining!"
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Then that works out, because once Marco found out about his mother, he was determined to stay as an Animorph.
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True, but it didn't stop him from complaining. haha!
Did he ever find his mom as V1 in the TV show? I refuse to watch anymore of it.
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yeah, I think there was an episode like that. Jake and marco stole the Blade Ship to get away from the Pool Ship. In the TV Show, Blade Ships are the size of Bug Fighters.
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I don't really consider the show to have much to do with the series. It was basically designed to use the premise and names, and change most everything else.
Still, I found Marco's complaining to be funny. For the vast majority of the time, he did it in good humor or as a joke, because it's expected of him (similar to Rachel's 'Let's do it!').
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Still think that's grasping at straws a little. Okay, Marco had a rough time the first few books, it probably wasn't intentional. Just worked out that way.
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Yay, Aloth came around!
That's all I'm saying too, I don't think it was intentional, but early on he did seem to get hurt more first. But it more than balances out throughout the series.
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I mentioned that earlier in this thread. And it was indeed with Rachel. She used her severed grizzly arm as a club. Pretty awesome, if I do say so myself.
Wait..? How is that even possible? I'm fairly sure bears do not have opposable thumbs... How would she have grabbed her own arm?
I recently started a reread of the series and was actually thinking the other day that Marco seemed to get the worst of the wounds at the start of the series.
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It's not. But it was in a fairly implausible book to begin with. Mean Rachel did the arm-beating in #32 The Separation.
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In number 42 he gets rabies and almost dies in roach morph.
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Luckily its almost impossible to kill a ****roach :)
At least if u do sever every single part of its body. But even then, it still might survive. Who knows...
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Yay for squishing 'roaches!
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I tried to say c o c k roach n they censored it? Really?
What's next, ur gonna censor Cummings too? What about ****, and ass, and ****, and dick! What about dick huh!?
lol....sorry
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I wouldn't know, I left all curse words uncensored. 'Cause I'm 23 freakin' years old!
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I tried to say c o c k roach n they censored it? Really?
What's next, ur gonna censor Cummings too? What about ****, and ass, and ****, and dick! What about dick huh!?
lol....sorry
cummings, dick, and ass aren't censored. the two words in between those 3 are...
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well that's sofa king stupid
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Hahahaha! very funny! +1 Jen!