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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: rocklobster on June 13, 2009, 07:41:59 AM
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Which Animorph do you think is the most hypocritical? I thought of this after finishing re-reading #28. I'm actually surprised Cassie was called a hypocrite by Drode. I mean, she's no more hypocritical than the rest of us. There are some situations that actually require violence.
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But she's the most moral extreme of the bunch. Everyone's a hypocrite from time to time, but to me, Cassie sticks out more than the others. Though Rachel is a bit hypocritical when it comes to appearances. How can she say looks aren't important, then place so much value and time in clothes shopping and styles? That's pretty much her lifestyle.
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Cassie always annoyed me. I see her as weak. I don't think she did anything worse than anyone else. But you're right about her sticking out.
I don't remember that book, ill look later, but maybe Crayak says things that he know is going to get to you.
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Chad is right about rachel, I always wondered that -.-
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CASSIE
even ax said she was a hypocrite at some point
and yeah lol it's just like a pretty person to say "Ugh people say I am beautiful but it doesn't really matter to me BUT OMG ISN'T THIS TOP I BOUGHT JUST LIKE SO CUTE???"
but it was such a minor part of her character that I could forgive it. Cassie, on the other hand, at least in retrospect, seems defined by her hypocrisy.
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I'm like Rachel like that. I would like to pretend I don't care about what people think about me, but I do.
We have to sound like were uber tough
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I'm like Rachel like that. I would like to pretend I don't care about what people think about me, but I do.
We have to sound like were uber tough
There's nothing wrong with that, it's human nature.
But I agree about it in Rachel's case. In almost every single book she says something about "looks don't matter" or "people say I'm pretty, but I don't care, it's what's inside that counts", yet in almost every single book she's always telling Cassie to go shopping, or to stop wearing overalls and highwaters. I always wondered why no one ever called her on that...
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Because they were afraid of making her angry. Besides, it's not a huge thing. Not like Cassie's issue, where anything and everything could be screwed over if it risks staining Cassie's conscious. Above all, at the end of the day, she has an obsessive need to feel good about herself.
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Yeah, I'd definitely say Cassie is more hypocritical than Rachel. Hey, I like shopping and clothes and stuff cause it's fun, but I have the same answer as Rachel if you asked me if looks were really important. xD
What was it the Drode said? "Violence is wrong...except when it's not" or something. You get that a lot with Cassie.
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to me, cassie is the most hypocritical.
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oh please. cassie did what she had to do without losing her sanity. its not like she didnt pull her own weight when it came down to it. sh preached against violence but had moments of realizing it was sometimes needed.
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oh please. cassie did what she had to do without losing her sanity. its not like she didnt pull her own weight when it came down to it. sh preached against violence but had moments of realizing it was sometimes needed.
That's how I felt.
In a way, all of them were hypocritical, consistently, in some way.
Like when Marco told Rachel she should've let that little boy die (in the Alligator pit at the zoo, when she got sick), yet in book 3 he morphed Gorilla to save that man from getting robbed. Or that time Jake morphed into a dog with Marco to go see some concert, yet when anyone else does it, he jumps down there throat. Tobias might be the only exception here.
Cassie felt bad about the things she had to do, but she did them anyway. Maybe her crazy ideals are what kept her sane, because she was the only one who lived, as PG as this sounds, Happily Ever After.
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Happily ever after? PLEASE! It only would've been happy if she actually married Jake!
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This was a difficult one really. I actually had to read all the posts before I could vote. I finally decided to vote for Rachel anyway.
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That's a load of BS. Ax and Marco could have been very happy. Jake and Tobias could have found happiness eventually, if they really tried and had enough support. These people were far too young, and had far too much, for any of them to have gone their entire lives depressed and whatnot. Not after just three years of war.
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Aye but for all we know Cassie is the only one who survived that final, epic "Ram the Blade Ship!" command.
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Aye but for all we know Cassie is the only one who survived that final, epic "Ram the Blade Ship!" command.
Which is exactly my point.
KA was obviously trying to tell us something, it would have been all too easy for her to toss Cassie in along in that group on The Rachel. Also, Cassie seemed to be just fine with Ronnie.
Another thing, Marco already admitted to leading a shallow life that was boring him. While you're right about them being able to recover from war, some people don't. A lot of people kill themselves due to inability to cope with PTSD.[spoiler] These people often didn't have to send their own cousin to kill their brother, and end up losing both of them.[/spoiler] To think that Jake would've simply just jumped up and recovered one day is a huge stretch, Tobias had almost zero chance of recovery for the simple fact that he wouldn't allow himself to. Ax might've been fine, but that's because Andalites are born and raised to fight, and even he had his moments.
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I never said he'd just jump up and recover one day. I'm just saying that given a few years, or even decades, he should be able to recover. Being young, he has that kind of time.
KA was trying to say something, but I just don't agree with her.
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Man that is an old argument, and I agree with Chad28.
But other than that, I thought Marco was a hypocrite. Cassie overtly, yes, but Marco always said that plans were suicidal, idiotic, "insane" but he did them anyway. He was the only one that didn't want to fight at all, but he was always there. I mean it was a good hypocracy in that if he said he would and didn't he would be turning his back, but in this case he always stuck with. But he is still a hypocrite.
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He's not a hypocrite for voclizing what everyone, except maybe Ax, is thinking on the inside. Even Rachel later in the series would likely rather be shopping than fighting.
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He's not a hypocrite for voclizing what everyone, except maybe Ax, is thinking on the inside. Even Rachel later in the series would likely rather be shopping than fighting.
You beat me to it.
Ever since Book 3 (I think, where he found out about his mother) he stopped saying he wasn't going to do it, and just started saying how much he didn't want to do it. That's not close to being hypocritical, and this time I agree with Chad28, everyone else was thinking the same exact thing half the time.
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It's book 5, but you're right. If anything, saying all that probably helps keep the group sane.
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Marco was the comic relief. Of course he "sounded" hypocritical at times. In reality he was anything but. He was actually one of the most consistent characters (in my opinion).
Unsurprisingly I concur with the majority: Cassie is by far the most hypocritical. She was a poorly written character whose moral compass changed with each ghostwriter.
If you read the ending carefully you (may) see that everything that goes wrong can be laid either directly or indirectly at her feet. The fact that she is the only one who makes it out of the war happy and lives on (by abandoning the other animorphs) is actually about as ironic and unjust ending as I've ever read.
Perhaps that was KA's message which makes sense as all of her other "messages" were unrealistically dark.