Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Shark Akhrrana on May 02, 2009, 05:57:35 PM
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one thing I have been wondering.
HOW was a yeerk able to infest the first Taxxon without becoming dinner?
I mean with that hunger of theirs and not being all friendly :taxxon2:
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They already had Hork-Bajir controllers, and ships. Besides, many Taxxons came willingly. Taxxons can be somewhat docile after feeding, as well. They say a Taxxon has an insatiable hunger, but truthfully there has to be a point where the taxxon is just too full to eat anymore.
What I wonder more often is, do Taxxons have ear holes? They are insects, right? Insects don't have ears, do they?
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Hmmm, a lot of insects have their "ears" on their thorax, abdomen or legs.
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What always bothered me about Taxxon Controllers was....why would a Yeerk WANT one. I understand lower-ranking Controllers with little option. Plus Taxxon's are very dexterous, an ability that both Gedd's and Hork-Bajir lack. But if given the option, don't you think they would choose a mind that is less consumed by instinct? Presumably, you would. But then why did some of the members of the Council of Thirteen have Taxxon hosts?
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I would assume that some of the council had Taxxons to better represent the Yeerk population. If they all had excellent hosts, it might imply that they are an aristocratic elite, which alienates them from the people.
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I always figured it was a personal taste thing... The Counsil's Taxxons were (if I remember correctly ^^()) the biggest, baddest Taxxons around. I'd imagine that, for a critter that's really no more than a slug, whose foraging process involves taking in radiation waves through the skin or dying within exactly 72 hours, the idea of being an intimidating, monstrous predator might have some appeal. Plus I imagine Taxxons get a lot of satisfaction from eating (like humans do, only amplified), which Yeerks might not get to experience in their natural forms...
I dunno. I only speculate. ^^()
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It did surprise me to read that members of the Council had Taxxon hosts. I always felt that taxxons and Gedds would fall into the undesirable host category. seeing how both are just class 1 host species. Taxxons are mostly used for grunt work and piloting. Though Andalites take great pride in their pilots, so maybe piloting isn't such a low rank job for Yeerks to have.
But I guess when you're at the top, you can have whatever you want. Those two or three that have Taxxons might just want to be different. Hork Bajir being so overused, and whatnot.
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I would assume that some of the council had Taxxons to better represent the Yeerk population. If they all had excellent hosts, it might imply that they are an aristocratic elite, which alienates them from the people.
To an extent I want to believe this because its sensible, but I can't see yeerks caring about their own people.
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Yeah. How much can a government care about their people when they go to war with a species that's superior to them, and one of which is giving them advanced technology. I mean, if the Andalites took them seriously from the get go, they would have lost at the Hork Bajir Homeworld at the latest point.
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To an extent I want to believe this because its sensible, but I can't see yeerks caring about their own people.
I never said they cared in that sense, I meant that having your people rebel is never a good thing when you are forming an empire.
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hey, just another host body. better than a gedd, right?
i'm sure it's a matter of taste.
taxxons are certainly more threatening than humans..
but i'd prefer to be in a hork-bajir.
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I was actually starting to wonder about that too, the whole ear thing I mean. As for infestation maybe a Taxxon is infested through their rear. Amusing, and disgusting as that may sound consider that we know nothing about their physiology, a giant worm only has so many ends to stick in the pool and frankly I don't trust that thing's head in the Yeerk pool, if something's going in there I prefer it be the portion without a long bull whip tongue and rows of teeth.
Especially a non-voluntary Taxxon, what would keep him from eating the yeerks in the pool? They've displayed in book 4 that they can function underwater, can attack underwater and with tongues that lash out like bullwhips and apparently secrete some sticky substance they could grab a few yeerks before anything gets into their head.
Yeah. How much can a government care about their people when they go to war with a species that's superior to them, and one of which is giving them advanced technology. I mean, if the Andalites took them seriously from the get go, they would have lost at the Hork Bajir Homeworld at the latest point.
In their way I think they cared a great deal. When it comes to your freedom and the freedom of your people just because someone can kick your butt doesnt mean you don't take them on, if that were the case the Animorphs would never have fought. I think that ironically the Yeerks were fighting for freedom, their own freedom but freedom none the less, the Andalites, for all their fine talk, were trying to deny it to them. The first (and possibly only) Yeerks that went to war on the Andalites didn't just stroll off their planet, they had to escape, the Andalites presumably told them how to make ships, then told them not to do it. The Yeerk empire wasn't even born on the Yeerk Homeworld, it was born on the Hork-Bajir homeworld, until that point it was a band of militant refugees, and they might have been a minority that felt war was their only option, in HBC weren't Seerow's requests to speak with the Yeerks still on the Yeerk Homeworld denied? So as far as we know no talks were held with the majority of the Yeerks still on the homeworld in HBC, no Andalites said "Lets talk this out, m'kay?" They just blockaded the crap out of that world and confined the yeerks to their pools until the planet was liberated . . . assuming it ever was liberated, I don't think the Empire ever managed to reclaim their homeworld, if I recall it's stated once or twice in the main series as still being under blockade, yet Visser Three does try to take the time matrix there in TAC.
So high ranking Yeerks taking Taxxon hosts out of consideration to their people as well as their Taxxon allies is totally buyable to me. Given that Aftran not only existed but found a number of Yeerks just like herself, given that Visser Three himself doesnt seem that bad at the start of the war I don't think we--erm the Yeerks are as evil as you--erm we humans have been led to believe by the Andalites, even Visser One had her redeeming qualities and had no intention of letting all of mankind be infested if only to protect two otherwise insignificant humans.
However (time to drop the bias) I believe the real answer may just lie in the fact that it's stated in TAC that a Yeerk who infests a Taxxon for long becomes more Taxxon than Yeerk, it's possible that the council members took Taxxon hosts originally for the above or any other reason, but found themselves on some level unable to leave. I mean even many humans fear and despise change, even if it's a positive one, and of course the mere fact that they're being constantly fed by servants elevates them above any other Taxxon, most Yeerks seem to be very much about wanting to be and be recognized and/or envied, a Taxxon that doesnt have to worry about hunger? That'd be envious to other Taxxon controllers to be sure, while at the same time fulfilling their host bodies lust for food, so there's the addiction to decadence possibility as well.
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I was actually starting to wonder about that too, the whole ear thing I mean. As for infestation maybe a Taxxon is infested through their rear. Amusing, and disgusting as that may sound consider that we know nothing about their physiology, a giant worm only has so many ends to stick in the pool and frankly I don't trust that thing's head in the Yeerk pool, if something's going in there I prefer it be the portion without a long bull whip tongue and rows of teeth.
Especially a non-voluntary Taxxon, what would keep him from eating the yeerks in the pool? They've displayed in book 4 that they can function underwater, can attack underwater and with tongues that lash out like bullwhips and apparently secrete some sticky substance they could grab a few yeerks before anything gets into their head.
EXACTLY that is what is bothering me. i mean let's say they at least have ears. because i can't imagine giant centipedes with ears well at least ear holes. but how was the first one captured. I mean before they became voluntary they had to have some kind of battle or something and later the Taxxons decided to join them well at least some of them.
o let's say they stick their head in the pool Taxxons are always hungry and from what i can tell They can't control it. So even if they are voluntary i don't see why they wouldn't eat the yeerks in the pool or even the one that just got out of their "ear"
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They didn't have to go the radical extremist way of fighting for freedom. The majority of Andalites were afraid that they may do something, that they wind up doing anyway. Going to war just proved the majority right.
And I'm a bit confused about the existemce of the blockade. Aftran does say something about Andalites blockading the Homeworld, but I was never sure what she meant. That there was already a blockade, or that there would inevitably be a blockade if the Andalites won.
I don't think the Council is meant to have any redeemable qualities.
I'm not sure what keeps the Taxxons from gulping some Yeerks when their heads are stuck in the pool. I actually had a thought once of some badass Human being taken to one of those small machines that just holds one Yeerk for infesting. When they try to force his head down, he goes ahead and plunges in, but he chomps the Yeerk, and swallows it.
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Well i think the Andalites just want to prevent more yeerks from expanding but there are already plenty of them out of their homeworld. plus with portable pools and kandronas they don't exactly need their planet to survive. So that was not a very good move of the Adalites side i suppose.
but yeah there is nothing stopping a Taxxon from going yeerk munching at the pool. Unless they are infested a different way . Don't remember if there was a pier for Taxxons at the yeerk pool i remember a human one and a Hork-Bajir one
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I don't remember there being individual piers, except that one is for Yeerks going in and one is for Yeerks going out.
They may need to muzzle Taxxons first, or infest by hand.
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i thought Taxxons where willing controllers. Because the yeerks could help suppress their ever present hunger
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Some of them are, albiet barely contained.
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i thought Taxxons where willing controllers. Because the yeerks could help suppress their ever present hunger
They can't control it that much if at all . They figured out who Elfangor was in the Taxxon world because he somewhat controlled his hunger as a taxxon
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I've given it some thought and I'm going to say that maybe Yeerks are actually able to stun their hosts. I believe its said they echo-locate to a degree, and I've heard that Dolphins can use echo-location to stun fish. The Yeerks might also try to avoid crowding around the actual peer just in case a Taxxon gets hungry, or they might all echo-beat-down on him once his slimy head is in the pool >:D
EXACTLY that is what is bothering me. i mean let's say they at least have ears. because i can't imagine giant centipedes with ears well at least ear holes. but how was the first one captured. I mean before they became voluntary they had to have some kind of battle or something and later the Taxxons decided to join them well at least some of them.
The Yeerks may have learned about them from the Skrit-na, or maybe by pure accident. Taxxons against Hork-Bajir is a pretty one sided fight, the Taxxons may actually have surrendered outright since when Elfangor morphs one its instincts alone know how helpless it is against an Andalite inteligent free Taxxons must have known how helpless they'd be against Hork-Bajir.
If not right away, probably after the first wave were slaughtered and devoured by their comrades :P
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i think someone stuns teh taxxons before they are infested just to make sure or something
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I was actually starting to wonder about that too, the whole ear thing I mean. As for infestation maybe a Taxxon is infested through their rear. Amusing, and disgusting as that may sound consider that we know nothing about their physiology, a giant worm only has so many ends to stick in the pool and frankly I don't trust that thing's head in the Yeerk pool, if something's going in there I prefer it be the portion without a long bull whip tongue and rows of teeth.
Especially a non-voluntary Taxxon, what would keep him from eating the yeerks in the pool? They've displayed in book 4 that they can function underwater, can attack underwater and with tongues that lash out like bullwhips and apparently secrete some sticky substance they could grab a few yeerks before anything gets into their head.
interesting..
that's plausible, considering how little we know about taxxons, as you said.
maybe their brain isn't in their head?
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I always felt that taxxons and Gedds would fall into the undesirable host category. seeing how both are just class 1 host species.
it's unimportant, but they're a class 2 species. so far, we only know for certain that skrit na are a class 1 species, because they undergo metamorphosis, or something like that, making them completely unfit as hosts. gedds and taxxons are a class 2 species because they're fit as hosts, but suffer physical drawbacks...
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I thought species like Skrit Na were class 2. If I remember correctly, Class 1 are hosts that barely qualify as viable hosts. Taxxons because they're so hard to control and need almost constant feeding. Gedds because they're weak in just about every area. Then Class 2 are species that would make good hosts, except for one very inconvenient thing. Like Skrit Na metamorphosis.
Class Three are hosts that are good, but too low in number. Class 4 are hosts that are good, but currently too powerful. Then you have the Class Five holy grail.
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metamorphosis makes them completely unsuitable. it takes days for metamorphosis to finish, so the yeerk would starve inside its host...
gedds and taxxons are suitable for hosts, but suffer drawbacks.
there are gedd contollers and taxxon controllers, but no skrit na controllers. trust me on this. you can even re-read Visser...
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Alright, I will stand corrected.
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Class Three are hosts that are good, but too low in number. Class 4 are hosts that are good, but currently too powerful. Then you have the Class Five holy grail.
Would Humanity be classed as class 5 then?
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Class Three are hosts that are good, but too low in number. Class 4 are hosts that are good, but currently too powerful. Then you have the Class Five holy grail.
Would Humanity be classed as class 5 then?
yes it would... or well the yeerks classify us as class 5. personally, I feel we're class 4, but barely...
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We're supposed to be class 5. If Yeerks went all out against us, we may win, but only if we could get ahold of their ships somehow. Which would only happen if they brought the pool or blade ship down to us.
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yeah we are supposed to be 5 huge population , not that many drawbacks , adaptable , and according to them we don't have that high of a way of powerful weapons or they just havent seen enough of our Sci-fi movies
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It seems to me that when the Taxxon's befriended the Animorphs, not much came of it. There could have been a lot more too that. Crazy old taxxons, never know what they're gonna do next.
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It seemed to me that it came out of nowhere when the Taxxons decided they didn't want to be Taxxons anymore. I mean, I spent so long believing they had few redeeming qualities, and were all voluntary.