Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Hunter on April 18, 2009, 10:40:30 PM
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this thought came to me just now...
Would morphing get rid of tattoo's?
i reckon that it prolly would, but i read in one of the books that rachel complained about her hair being not the right length cos it was cut wrong, but couldn't morphing fix that as well?
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that's a good question. Since a tattoo isn't part of a person's DNA, morphing should get rid of it. LOL that sucks, you spend all that money getting a tattoo and then you morph and it's gone
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if someone can morph clothing then i can't see a tattoo being lost in morph no matter how much you dislike the ex
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that's a good question. Since a tattoo isn't part of a person's DNA, morphing should get rid of it. LOL that sucks, you spend all that money getting a tattoo and then you morph and it's gone
good, too.
remove tattoos you don't want.
or freak people out by getting a really nasty one (then removing it later) :D
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I suppose you can keep your tattoo if you take care, but of course if you take the DNA of somebody with a tattoo and morph him, your morph won't have any tattoo...
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while we're on the subject, it'd be awesome not having to worry about bacteria etc.
what was the deal with yamphut then, anyways? because it was brain-related?
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well Tattoos are basicaly scars... so if morphing can heal wounds without making scares i would have thought that it could get rid of tattoos ;D
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Actually in book 7 Cassie apparently has a scar she got some time ago, morphing should have gotten rid of it but didn't. There's also Elfangor's mentor in TAC, he has a scar, has he simply never had the opportunity to morph it away? Maybe. He claims to have gotten it back when he was a cadet so in all his career before the time he became an instructor he's never had to morph or else morphing never removed the scar? Other than the whole "don't morph for personal reasons" thing preventing Cassie and Sofor from healing themselves on the spot I'd say it seems scars are something that morphing, for some reason, doesnt take care of, or that a person can choose not to lose their scar and by extension their tattoo.
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on the spot I'd say it seems scars are something that morphing, for some reason, doesnt take care of, or that a person can choose not to lose their scar and by extension their tattoo.
but i remember in book 49 that when Loren got the power to morph her scars from the accident were healed. KASU maybe?
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perhaps it is i mean it was a KASU when Tobias was not able to heal in Megamorphs 2
but also
i think that just how you are able to morphs tight clothes if you concentrate about it.. you should be able to concentrate on your tatoo or a scar you want to keep or whatever
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Like I said, if you concentrate on the scar and want to keep it maybe you can. It could also be that since you have to concentrate on your own body and return to it, maybe Cassie concentrating on herself includes the scars . . . or maybe it's a birth mark and she made all that stuff up about the racoon for dramatic effect :P
Cassie: Years of waiting, finally I have a chance to make this pay off . . . Jake, I have this scar . . .
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yeah also something that i have been wondering about ..would morphing affect your weight.
lets say you are overweight ..that is not part of DNA so if you morph would you suddenly slim up?
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Practically (as in, as far as the books are concerned), no. No one ever gains or loses weight based on the morphing procedure. I think that this has to do with the fact that you are being reconstructed from the same mass that was extruded into Zero-Space. All of the mass needs to come back to its owner, the morpher.
I think that perhaps this may account for tattoos/scars as well, although there are flaws behind that logic (like Loren's experience).
For example: my dad has a scoop taken out of his leg from when he had skin cancer. The skin and muscle and tissue is simply not there. If he were to morph, then that matter is not there to be extruded into Zero-Space. Therefore, how could it be replaced when he morphs back? The same could count for hair. You can't morph it back if it isn't there to begin with.
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I agree with visser101; tight clothes can be morphed, and what is a tattoo but outside materials placed under the skin? It should be easier to morph with if anything, because it is under the skin instead of on top of it. As far as scars, tattoos do scar the skin, but that's not what makes the tattoo; it's the ink
As far as what Shark said, there are a million things like that you could question. If I cut my fingernails, will morphing remember that? What about hair? If someone took growth hormone as a teenager and grew three more inches than they would have normally by their DNA, then morphed, would they return to a body that was three inches shorter? What about food? If an elephant was morphed, then a massive amount of food consumed, would the large contents of the stomach cause the human to burst upon demorphing? If a person ate a cheeseburger, then morphed fly, why wouldn't they explode? If food isn't transferred, why don't morphs starve? For instance, Jake uses the tiger for uncounted hours in total, yet he never eats as a tiger; does the tiger ever get hungry? Also, when a person is in the later stages of starvation, the body literally consumes itself, going as far as breaking apart muscles to use the proteins for energy. If tissue is regenerated, could a person technically survive forever without food by remorphing to recover tissues? It would be painful, but by this logic it should be possible. When a person is injured, they recover when morphed. But consider a massive loss of flesh like Terenia said, such as loss of a leg. When remorphed and recovered, where did the mass for the leg come from? It can't be taken from other large morphs otherwise they would be missing parts, and due to the law of conservation of mass it cannot be spontaneously created, so where did it come from? There are so many questions and inconsistencies about morphing and it could be discussed endlessly.
Is there a thread somewhere to discuss all the flaws, possibilities, and questions of morphing? I'm pretty sure there's one someplace about how age is determined from the DNA.
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I think this whole thing might be a KASU. It's right. Wouldn't morphing get rid of any scars/tatoos?
I have a scar on my leg that I got when I was seven, it's not part of my DNA now, is it?
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there could be a mechanism in the morphing technology that allows for some change.
everyday living changes the body in someway if morphing reset that every time one morphs then you would never age, years of training would be destroyed, and you immune system would never learn.
I would think that morphing takes the DNA too make a baseline of the morpher then accumulated traits like tattoo, scares, and grooming are memorized at every morph. if those accumulated traits are to far out side the baseline DNA then the morphing tech will try too fix it. so a old scar will be probably be remembered but that gun shot wound would get fixed.
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That isn't always the case though, visser101, most notably with Tobias' mom.
Even then, you contradict yourself. You say things such as grooming would be memorized at morph, which can be recent, would be remembered, but a recent injury would be forgotten? If hair was cut off, then morphed immediately, would the hair come back just like the skin from a cut would?
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I think this whole thing might be a KASU. It's right. Wouldn't morphing get rid of any scars/tatoos?
I have a scar on my leg that I got when I was seven, it's not part of my DNA now, is it?
yup.
i agree, KASU.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/jimmyk9702/mythbusters_busted_spray.png?t=1240458299)
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if someone can morph clothing then i can't see a tattoo being lost in morph no matter how much you dislike the ex
LOL
I think it would get erased kind of like a scar cause you weren't born with it.
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I think this whole thing might be a KASU. It's right. Wouldn't morphing get rid of any scars/tatoos?
I have a scar on my leg that I got when I was seven, it's not part of my DNA now, is it?
yup.
i agree, KASU.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/jimmyk9702/mythbusters_busted_spray.png?t=1240458299)
No, no no. Admitting it's a KASU is admitting defeat. There must be an answer!
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I think this whole thing might be a KASU. It's right. Wouldn't morphing get rid of any scars/tatoos?
I have a scar on my leg that I got when I was seven, it's not part of my DNA now, is it?
yup.
i agree, KASU.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/jimmyk9702/mythbusters_busted_spray.png?t=1240458299)
Still, for all technicality, if it was based only on DNA, you would morph a single zygote. There are more mechanisms involved.
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That isn't always the case though, visser101, most notably with Tobias' mom.
Even then, you contradict yourself. You say things such as grooming would be memorized at morph, which can be recent, would be remembered, but a recent injury would be forgotten? If hair was cut off, then morphed immediately, would the hair come back just like the skin from a cut would?
Loren's scars may have been from deep cuts that never can heal perfectly the morphing tech may have noted these damage areas as to far outside the base line DNA and fix them, the same with her eyes.
This could even apply to the Auxmorphs the ones that had genetic defects did not get fixed because the morphing tech could not tell what was wrong. those with physical damage could have been healed if the damage was recognized as damage.
Grooming is done too nonliving parts of the body, like hair and nails. so it is in no way comparable too a cut to the skin.
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That isn't always the case though, visser101, most notably with Tobias' mom.
Even then, you contradict yourself. You say things such as grooming would be memorized at morph, which can be recent, would be remembered, but a recent injury would be forgotten? If hair was cut off, then morphed immediately, would the hair come back just like the skin from a cut would?
Loren's scars may have been from deep cuts that never can heal perfectly the morphing tech may have noted these damage areas as to far outside the base line DNA and fix them, the same with her eyes.
This could even apply to the Auxmorphs the ones that had genetic defects did not get fixed because the morphing tech could not tell what was wrong. those with physical damage could have been healed if the damage was recognized as damage.
Grooming is done too nonliving parts of the body, like hair and nails. so it is in no way comparable too a cut to the skin.
but would that apply to tattoo's as well though? thats what i'm wondering...
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yes it would, tattoo's may not be a natural part of the body but it is not damage once it heals. since we know andalites do implant chips into their brains, and who knows where else, it is clear that complex foreign additions too the body are preserved during morphing automatically.
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yes it would, tattoo's may not be a natural part of the body but it is not damage once it heals. since we know andalites do implant chips into their brains, and who knows where else, it is clear that complex foreign additions too the body are preserved during morphing automatically.
ahh okay... now it's deserving of the BUSTED picture
(http://image.fpsbanana.com/ico/sprays/mythbusters_busted_spray.png)
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Well, if you lose a tattoo in a morph you would lose a contact lens, not that thatever came up, but the morphing process doesn't do anything except heal old wounds. You don't remorph to have two arms where your legs should be and vice versa, nor do you end up with your t shirt on your legs, so the tattoo, not being a part of you yet being close to you should come along into Z space for the ride.
This does make me wonder, however, if they are able to morph with normal clothes on eventually, can they take that farther and morph with someone while holding hands. Like one person morphs and the other joins.
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I don't find the morphing with people plausible for a couple reasons; one being that shoes are described as never being able to be morphed, so how an entire person? And second, what would happen to the second person? Would they join your consciousness in the morph, and upon demorphing, what if the two consciousnesses stay in one body?
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what you have to remember is that Morphing has much to do with Physis as much as it does with Biology.
from one of the books, the process of Aquring an animal is doing nothing but making a copy of the said mass in Z-space. when you are morphing, your just trading one mass for another. how the bundles of Mass survive in Z-space is unknown and giving the source of the book in question is contradicary at places (if the animorphs are suffering from not being able to breath when they are Z-space, then how can the masses that the aquire do it?).
but what this does explain how stuff like tattoos and earings can continue to be there when they demorph. (how the masses heal out in Z-space is a unknown matter)
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yes it would, tattoo's may not be a natural part of the body but it is not damage once it heals. since we know andalites do implant chips into their brains, and who knows where else, it is clear that complex foreign additions too the body are preserved during morphing automatically.
Where does it say they implant chips?
Edit to add: Oh the translator chips. What book is that in?
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What about men who are circumcised or women who have had FGM? Maybe people can decide what scars etc they want.
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yeah im thinking its based on a conscious decision as well, if you remember yourself with the bullet wound you just received, youll have it when you demorph, if not you wont. of course that means rachel could have remembered herself with her old uncut hair, but hey, she is blonde afterall.
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Willing suspension of disbelief. That's all I have to say. Don't think too hard about little details.
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Well, if you lose a tattoo in a morph you would lose a contact lens, not that thatever came up, but the morphing process doesn't do anything except heal old wounds. You don't remorph to have two arms where your legs should be and vice versa, nor do you end up with your t shirt on your legs, so the tattoo, not being a part of you yet being close to you should come along into Z space for the ride.
This does make me wonder, however, if they are able to morph with normal clothes on eventually, can they take that farther and morph with someone while holding hands. Like one person morphs and the other joins.
Isn't that sorta like what happened in book 32? When the two Rachels were joined back together?
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I am curious, if one of them had braces, and their teeth were fixed, would morphing negate that? Also, as far as the tattoo thing...I found art on Deviantart a bit back that brought up this question to me as well.
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I thought about that as well, i had teeth (and my father still has teeth) that crossed over and were big (i was going to say like a parrot but then birds don't have teeth) until i got braces.
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Yeah, if I had got done having my braces, and morphed and they returned to how they were before, I'd be kinda upset. >:(
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Morphing could revolutionarise medicine, instead of giving people prosthetics you could have their legs and so on grow back, with a little bit of tweaking you wouldn't have to give huge numbers of disabled afghans/iraqis/sierre leonese/rwandans dangerous morphing weapons but just something that resets the body back to normal.
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Yeah, but there is always someone who would try and make that a weapon. But yeah it would.
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Huh. That is an interesting idea. You could heal the person, but there would probably be some sort of committee that would decide if they could be trusted with morphing power afterward. Perhaps you could draw some blood from the person, pour it onto their hand, have them acquire themselves, then have them morph into themselves and become nohlit.
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Huh. That is an interesting idea. You could heal the person, but there would probably be some sort of committee that would decide if they could be trusted with morphing power afterward. Perhaps you could draw some blood from the person, pour it onto their hand, have them acquire themselves, then have them morph into themselves and become nohlit.
Something tells me that that wouldn't work. Otherwise, couldn't you just grab one arm with the other and acquire yourself that way?
But, keeping the same idea, though, they could just morph a little way into a morph and then go nothlit. Sure, they might have a tiny patch of feathers on their left thigh, or a tiny nub of a tail, but surgery could always fix those things.
Ahem, keeping with the original topic, though . . . one thing that just occurred to me is that, why can't the morphing technology have a built-in intelligence of its own? I mean, maybe it has its own 'biological computer' of some sort, with just enough decision-capability to let it decide what features of a person to keep and which to get rid of? So it can get rid of unwanted things like fresh injuries, while keeping needed things like haircuts, clothes, scars, piercings, and tattoos. It could probably do this by tapping into the person's own memories while they morph. I mean, think about how good with computers the Andalites are. They could conceivably create a difference engine like that, that could take memories into account while a person morphs, and then program it into the morphing technology itself.
And this would also answer the question that was raised earlier, about how morphs can have enough food in their stomach to not starve but still not explode when you morph something smaller. The morphing technology is perhaps programmed to 'know' how much food a creature needs, and keeps that amount in its stomach during morphs.
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Of course, clothing sticks, so tattoos would as well.
But I never could figure out why the clothing would be interpreted as biological.
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it isnt, morphing isnt completely from DNA.
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Didn't you get what I said, instead of giving a bunch of iraqis/sierre leonies cripples morphing technology (which is a weapon that i would not want to give to any one outside the CIA/MI5/Mossad/ASIO) you could tweak it so that it would just reset the DNA and restore limbs and eyesight for millions of people.
Look at this way:
Nuclear stuff/radiation were first used as weapons, but later in the 1960's some lady turned Radiation into a way to treat cancer ( i think i read this in a book of 101 great women)
Warfare is the mother of great inventions.
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Sorry to bump this old thread up, but I had another couple questions on this topic.
If someone/thing was acquired that had a tattoo, would the person morphing them also get the tattoo? Also, if you had a tattoo on your normal form, but were injured and somehow had the patch of skin/flesh with the tattoo cut/burned off or something, would it come back if you morphed and demorphed?
Ahem, keeping with the original topic, though . . . one thing that just occurred to me is that, why can't the morphing technology have a built-in intelligence of its own? I mean, maybe it has its own 'biological computer' of some sort, with just enough decision-capability to let it decide what features of a person to keep and which to get rid of? So it can get rid of unwanted things like fresh injuries, while keeping needed things like haircuts, clothes, scars, piercings, and tattoos. It could probably do this by tapping into the person's own memories while they morph. I mean, think about how good with computers the Andalites are. They could conceivably create a difference engine like that, that could take memories into account while a person morphs, and then program it into the morphing technology itself.
And this would also answer the question that was raised earlier, about how morphs can have enough food in their stomach to not starve but still not explode when you morph something smaller. The morphing technology is perhaps programmed to 'know' how much food a creature needs, and keeps that amount in its stomach during morphs.
I like this very much. It does seem very possible, and gives an answer to many questions. Maybe that's what the entire system is based on? Working off thoughts/memories also explains how simply focusing on the animal initiates the morph. The only thing left is a possible mechanism... I guess we can blame nanobots or biological computers. When in doubt, blame it on something we don't fully understand...
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Tatoos are basicly scars. They would heal like anyother wound but wouldn't this also apply to things like stiches, poison ivy and maybe even
[spoiler] circumsicions [/spoiler]
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Would have to agree with people who said that it relies on a person's thoughts. If you didn't want the tatoo or scar you could concentrate on yourself being "whole" I guess. And then injuries are healed automatically. Otherwise it just draws the same mass from Z-space, so the ink and coloring from the tatoo would come back to the morpher if it wasn't willingly discarded.
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Sorry to bump this old thread up, but I had another couple questions on this topic.
If someone/thing was acquired that had a tattoo, would the person morphing them also get the tattoo? Also, if you had a tattoo on your normal form, but were injured and somehow had the patch of skin/flesh with the tattoo cut/burned off or something, would it come back if you morphed and demorphed?
Well, since morphing uses DNA, the answer to the first question should theoretically be 'no,' since the DNA has no way of knowing about the tattoo. But going back to the 'biological computer' explanation I mentioned earlier, it might be possible, so long as the morpher knew about the tattoo. After all, the morphing technology seems to be able to mimic haircuts, age, and other features that DNA alone would not specify.
Another question to ponder. What of identical twins? I've known cases where so-called "identical" twins actually looked nothing alike (different height, facial features, etc.). I even heard somewhere that identical twins actually have different fingerprints. Yet, they still have the same DNA. So what would happen if you tried to morph one of them? How would the morphing technology know which of them to morph? Could you acquire one of them and then use that DNA to morph the other?
As for your second question, Think, that's a good question to consider even after you take into account my little theory of how the morphing tech works. I guess it would depend on whether or not the 'biological computer' takes your memory as it is (i.e., if you know that your tattoo ought to be gone, the morphing computer would know it, too), or whether you can concentrate and override it. I think it's probably the first one, though. What Rachel said in book #2, about how she hated her haircut but that morphing couldn't fix it, suggests that the theoretical 'morphing computer' I've been talking about takes your memories as you know them to be true, and you can't trick it. Meaning that burning or cutting off a tattoo would probably remove it, I think, since the computer would know just as well as you do that it should be gone.
After all, if you could just concentrate hard enough and trick the morphing computer, you could add all sorts of features to yourself that weren't there before. Maybe you could make the morphing computer think you had filed your teeth into points, or grown your fingernails into claws, etc.
. . . Come to think of it, though, why the heck would the Andalites have made it so you couldn't do that?
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obviously you couldn't acquire a tattoo, even with a conscious decision, i think this is a way to preserve desired modifications in your own body,(like circumcision, tattoos, ear piercings, repaired teeth etc) but not to copy modifications in the creature whose DNA you acquire... having said that fingerprints aren't genetic (they are caused by womb conditions or something) so would any acquired human have fingerprints at all?
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obviously you couldn't acquire a tattoo, even with a conscious decision, i think this is a way to preserve desired modifications in your own body,(like circumcision, tattoos, ear piercings, repaired teeth etc) but not to copy modifications in the creature whose DNA you acquire
But what, exactly, is the difference between morphing a creature and demorphing to your own body? In both cases, the body is re-constructed (or constructed) from DNA alone. If you can keep a tattoo when you demorph, you should be able to morph someone who has a tattoo, since it doesn't seem to me like there should be any difference between those two cases.
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having said that fingerprints aren't genetic (they are caused by womb conditions or something) so would any acquired human have fingerprints at all?
That's a good point. An acquired human wouldn't have a belly button either, lol.
But as some people have suggested, if when you acquire a morph the morphing technology makes a "copy" of that animal/person is it would allow for the saving of fingerprints just as it saves the age of the animal/person.
But also by that same logic, tattoos could be acquired along with a morph unless the morphing technology distinguishes between biological and non-biological mass when acquiring. Just as the morphing technology also seems to distinguish between injuries and scars.
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What about men who are circumcised or women who have had FGM? Maybe people can decide what scars etc they want.
that'd be pretty cool.
they could use morphing technology to remove unwanted scars.
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Perhaps you keep the scars that define you, the ones that factor into your mental image of yourself. That would also explain why you always keep a full head of hair. It would also mean that you would never need a haircut, because you always imagine it to be what you expect it to be.
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no belly button=nightmare fuel.
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Well, I suppose belly buttons are a form of scar, after a fashion.