Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: CDJV on February 20, 2009, 10:58:59 PM
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A majority of us here are sad that Rachel died, that's obvious. I think it was a bit much, and she should've seen the end. But, thanks to modern fanfic technology, she doesn't have to stay dead! So let's post our theories and try to find the most logical.
My pick is this: The one was a kind of entity on the Blade Ship, right? and this is where Rachel died, remember. I tihnk the one was a kind of parasite, another offshoot of the yeerks if you will. He's been hiding out in the shadows, waiting for his moment. He finds rachel and, on pure instict, aborbs her mind into his. This gives him sentience, and he goes on a wild road tip through the universe findign toher suitable hosts, untill he's found by Ax & company. <Witty Borg reference here>. Anyways, assuming those on board the Rachel don't get blown up, Tobias manages to get through the One's...evilness, and contacts Rachel, who's in there with Ax. They're able to get out while the One is momentarily disabled, but since only Rachel's mind as cosnumed, she would be gone as soon as she freed herself. So Ax sacrifices his body, stating that she deserves it more than he does. She manages to split off from the One, and is alive. Yay.
(I'd like to say this right now. Some of you will say that Rachel needed to die, despite the large amounts of suck. And some of you think she should stay dead. Well, this isn't the thread for that. Go vent somehwere else. This is for people who miss her and regret her death, and...well, want to see how far the fabric of the Aniverse can stretch to bring her back.)
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2. tie k.a. down to a chair and force her to re-write the last two books.
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*is this bored board material?*
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3. Tie the Ellimist down to a chair and force him to bring her back to life
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Well I was hoping for *real* ways but okay... :)
and this would stay here because it realtes to Animorphs and the books.
Also, the Ellimist (and by that extent the Crayak) canèt bring her back because itès against there rules. The normal people have to act on there own.
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*is this bored board material?*
maybe.
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My pick is this: The one was a kind of entity on the Blade Ship, right? and this is where Rachel died, remember. I tihnk the one was a kind of parasite, another offshoot of the yeerks if you will. He's been hiding out in the shadows, waiting for his moment. He finds rachel and, on pure instict, aborbs her mind into his. This gives him sentience, and he goes on a wild road tip through the universe findign toher suitable hosts, untill he's found by Ax & company. <Witty Borg reference here>. Anyways, assuming those on board the Rachel don't get blown up, Tobias manages to get through the One's...evilness, and contacts Rachel, who's in there with Ax. They're able to get out while the One is momentarily disabled, but since only Rachel's mind as cosnumed, she would be gone as soon as she freed herself. So Ax sacrifices his body, stating that she deserves it more than he does. She manages to split off from the One, and is alive. Yay.
how exactly does that fit in with being hit by a polar bear, and drifting in space, and getting cremated on earth? or do you mean rewriting the storyline?
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EDIT: added number, to contribute to 101
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-What about that thing that was used in book ((looks through his library)) #34. When they put Aldrea's mind in Cassie's body? Has that been done yet?
Perhaps when Jake told Rachel she'd be doing this potentially deadly mission, she decided to get it done to ensure that she'd be available in the future if she was needed.
It wouldn't work as Rachel being afraid to die, it'd have to be something like: "The thought of being alive and yet not disgusted me. If I might die doing this, then that was final to me. But my friends... Tobias... No. I had to be there for them. Even if I was really dead." Especially if she doesn't think the plan will work and the war might continue.((thumbs through #34)).
Hmm, doesn't say where Quafijinivon goes at the end of the book. Back to the Hork-Bajir home world or does he stay on Earth in hiding after returning the Animorphs home? As the last of his kind, there's really no reason to return to the yeerk-controlled planet.
Also, she has a reason to think of the idea, as she made such a tissy over not being picked, while Cassie was. The incident would give rise to the idea in the future.
Her mind would have been copied before the fight, so she wouldn't remember killing Tom or even if they won the war, which would give rise to a little tear-jerker scene.
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Boo-urns.
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Be quiet.
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The whole thing sickens me. Go read any other Scholastic series, if you want the good guys to all win without any emotional sacrifice.
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Be quiet.
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The whole thing sickens me. Go read any other Scholastic series, if you want the good guys to all win without any emotional sacrifice.
this thread is just a game. don't take it personally.
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It's simple, they just need to beat The One and then tour the galaxy for . . . the Black Star Dragon Balls.
No, seriously? She's pretty well screwed but I remember as a kid I used to think of ways she could have survived.
One might be that her body was not discarded, that always kind of surprised me. The fleeing yeerks decide to just ditch the body? No, no, they wouldn't have had time (obviously they did, I'm rationalizing) it would have been silly, what were they trying to be nice?
If Visser One's host can be cured of the injuries she sustained, if Marco can be literally brought back from the dead by Erek and if these yeerks have just lost their leader they need a host with experience. So I suggest that Tom's body was too badly damanged to be saved. Rachel was killed by the bear, but not in a manner that would leave her permanently useless, her injuries were healed and she was revived, a low ranking human or perhaps a Gedd if there was one aboard, morphed her and was simply discarded so the enemy would have a body to find, so they wouldn't pursue looking for Rachel.
They waited for her to finish her final communication, let everyone see her die, then left a fake body for the Animorphs to find all while the true Rachel became a controler. Her experience and strength went to the Yeerks. The fate would have been worse than death, sure, but she'd be alive and there'sa chance she could have been rescued later. Three years of galactic battle later Rachel could have been tempered into the experienced leader needed to help mankind against The One, Jake can't be everywhere at once after all.
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-What about that thing that was used in book ((looks through his library)) #34. When they put Aldrea's mind in Cassie's body? Has that been done yet?
Perhaps when Jake told Rachel she'd be doing this potentially deadly mission, she decided to get it done to ensure that she'd be available in the future if she was needed.
It wouldn't work as Rachel being afraid to die, it'd have to be something like: "The thought of being alive and yet not disgusted me. If I might die doing this, then that was final to me. But my friends... Tobias... No. I had to be there for them. Even if I was really dead." Especially if she doesn't think the plan will work and the war might continue.((thumbs through #34)).
Hmm, doesn't say where Quafijinivon goes at the end of the book. Back to the Hork-Bajir home world or does he stay on Earth in hiding after returning the Animorphs home? As the last of his kind, there's really no reason to return to the yeerk-controlled planet.
Also, she has a reason to think of the idea, as she made such a tissy over not being picked, while Cassie was. The incident would give rise to the idea in the future.
Her mind would have been copied before the fight, so she wouldn't remember killing Tom or even if they won the war, which would give rise to a little tear-jerker scene.
That's very similar to the idea that I'm writing in my fanfic! I'm going to put mine in a spoiler, in case anybody is reading my fanfic and doesn't want it spoiled:
[spoiler]Basically, the story is that, in book 34, Quafijinivon was only helping the Hork-Bajir fight off the Yeerks so that he could have a distraction to enable him to ressurrect the Arn. I figure the Arn would have prepared for the eventuality of their own extinction, and would have had some form of storage of Arn DNA ready for just such a situation, so they could recreate their race. So after the war, the Arn are back again, and one of them happens to have inherited an unknown ixcila from Quafijinivon. She activates it to see who it is, and it turns out to be Rachel's. The other Animorphs, on a mission to check out some shady Yeerk business on the Hork-Bajir homeworld, find her, who is currently in a Hork-Bajir's body. But she's being held hostage by the Arn that brought her back, thus forcing the Animorphs to free the Arn, since the Arn are being used as slaves to develop new technology for the Yeerks that survived the war. They later make the deal that the Arn will trigger an allergy in Cassie to make her burp out the DNA that she acquired in book 12, so that Rachel will have a new body. However, this is done only in exchange for making sure the Andalites are informed of the Yeerks' activities, which the Animorphs fear might start a new war . . . [/spoiler]
I always wanted to find a way to have Rachel survive . . . but the way that most fanfics do it (the whole "the Ellimist bringing her back" thing) seems way too 'happy ending' for me. So, my way is sort of a compromise.
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Whoa, someone deleted their post. Shenanigans!
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Oh, I just wanted to take myself out of any conflict, I'll replace it.
What I said:
"Chim, was that directed at me, or the original poster, because if it's for me, I have no idea what that means-
EDIT: I just googled boo-urns and I now know that you were booing?"
That's the post as I remember it, please let me know if someone remembers me posting something different. I removed it for the absolute avoidance of conflict. I thought you were booing my idea as there was perhaps someone who did use that idea for a fic already OR you did not find it plausible.
EDIT: but we're getting off topic here
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But Conflict is such a nice song . . . incidentally mind telling me what boo-urns means? I could look it up but . . . do you have any idea how lazy I am?
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EDIT: added number to contribute to 101
Seriously getting off-topic. So now I have to think of another way Rachel survives just so I can answer your question. Gee, thanks. (j/k)
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When you morph, your excess mass is pushed into z-space. But where does the mass go if you morph in Z-space. It is assumed that the yeerks jettisoned her body before jumping into z-space.
We have seen several animorphs on the brink of death being able to morph.
EDIT: Marco when he had rabies and five minutes left, Jake after fighting David, Cassie the butterfly, Jake after being squashes as a fly in #16.... pretty much every odd number book has one of these moments
Perhaps in z-space, a powerful inner strength compelled her to attempt to morph. There was no absolute confirmation of her death. EDIT: Rachel says "The he killed me with a single blow." But maybe she was knocked unconscious and was slowly dying and that's when she met with the Ellimist
In the ellimist chronicles, the ellimist says "A small strand of space-time went dark" He does not say who, so it can be explained that he was talking about Tom. (a stretch I know)
But back to the point, if she morphed in Z-space, then the material has no other place to go than our dimension. Her excess mass (dead body) was pushed into our dimension.
So perhaps Rachel is a Nothlit in Z-space. Fitting, considering her boyfriend. So she must be on the blade ship. And if she is on the blade ship, than she must be inside the One.
---now to answer: boo-urns. It's from the simpsons. Just another way of saying "boo". (I had to look it up)
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Serious lack of Simpsons cultural awareness in here.
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#?) MAGIC!
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Try not to double post/post uninvolved and off topic things please.
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i d haven't read the book but from what i read it seems that racheal was pushed into z-space and the ellemist took her to who knows where... well if that's the case then she never died in the first place
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1. have them use the time matrix (most obvious and plausible one)
2. just have there be a clone of her created
3. ellimist bring her back to life (is that beyond even his powers?)
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#?) Find Walter and make him use some of his Fringe Science?
Hmm... I wonder what would he say about the morphing technology.
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3)tie the crayak to a chair and force him to surrender
4)go through the same black hole and gain up on the crayak
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now that the re-release approaches, think we should rename this and put a *spoiler* tag on the thread title?
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I had always wondered why Ellimist didn't have the whole team cloned since the beginning of the story. He DID invent the Andalites, after all. He's obviously good with genetics.
Then, when Rachel dies, he can time-freeze, replace real-Rachel with her nonsentient copy, let the copy take the deathstroke and get jettisoned into space and cremated. Then, Ellimist reinserts real-Rachel into the story after the others encounter freaky-Ax, and she helps save the day, woohoo! ;)
No interruption of continuity, check!
Rachel lives, check!
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hey guys, if we're talkig about ways which could actually happen then ellemist bringing her back to life/preventing her from dying is completely out of the picture. but i think the most likely way is that jake tells the arn in number 34 to make an ixclia for racheal because he new it was a suicide mission for racheal. then cassie could have tried to burp her morph of racheal and then put racheal back in her own body and then it's like apart from racheal losing memory of what happenned she never died in the first place.
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...Rachel was killed by the bear, but not in a manner that would leave her permanently useless, her injuries were healed and she was revived, a low ranking human or perhaps a Gedd if there was one aboard, morphed her and was simply discarded so the enemy would have a body to find, so they wouldn't pursue looking for Rachel.
They waited for her to finish her final communication, let everyone see her die, then left a fake body for the Animorphs to find all while the true Rachel became a controler. Her experience and strength went to the Yeerks. The fate would have been worse than death, sure, but she'd be alive and there'sa chance she could have been rescued later....
WOOO! I like that!
EDIT: added number, to contribute to 101
#4)
-What about that thing that was used in book ((looks through his library)) #34. When they put Aldrea's mind in Cassie's body? Has that been done yet?
Perhaps when Jake told Rachel she'd be doing this potentially deadly mission, she decided to get it done to ensure that she'd be available in the future if she was needed.
It wouldn't work as Rachel being afraid to die, it'd have to be something like: "The thought of being alive and yet not disgusted me. If I might die doing this, then that was final to me. But my friends... Tobias... No. I had to be there for them. Even if I was really dead." Especially if she doesn't think the plan will work and the war might continue.((thumbs through #34)).
Hmm, doesn't say where Quafijinivon goes at the end of the book. Back to the Hork-Bajir home world or does he stay on Earth in hiding after returning the Animorphs home? As the last of his kind, there's really no reason to return to the yeerk-controlled planet.
Also, she has a reason to think of the idea, as she made such a tissy over not being picked, while Cassie was. The incident would give rise to the idea in the future.
Her mind would have been copied before the fight, so she wouldn't remember killing Tom or even if they won the war, which would give rise to a little tear-jerker scene.
This is interesting. And so long as we are pushing the Aniverse to bring back Rachel, well, here is my pitch to bring Rachel back PLUS make Cassie a little more interesting, post-war, as a character.
Throughout the series, I never really got the Rachel + Cassie 'best friend' relationship. After Rachel's sacrifice, would it be too much to ask Cassie, if she were to prove her friendship, for once. Cassie does have a Rachel morph. I was thinking she could go nothlit and have the Arn do the ixcila stunt, and we have Rachel back PLUS and interesting Cassie/Rachel character.
It would be plausible, since sacrificing her life, for her best friend, would be total in character with Cassie.
Note: Damn, just read DinosaurNothlit's post, and he'd already thought it out. Going even further with the burping dna thing. Brilliantly thought, by the way.
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It's simple, they just need to beat The One and then tour the galaxy for . . . the Black Star Dragon Balls.
No, seriously? She's pretty well screwed but I remember as a kid I used to think of ways she could have survived.
One might be that her body was not discarded, that always kind of surprised me. The fleeing yeerks decide to just ditch the body? No, no, they wouldn't have had time (obviously they did, I'm rationalizing) it would have been silly, what were they trying to be nice?
If Visser One's host can be cured of the injuries she sustained, if Marco can be literally brought back from the dead by Erek and if these yeerks have just lost their leader they need a host with experience. So I suggest that Tom's body was too badly damanged to be saved. Rachel was killed by the bear, but not in a manner that would leave her permanently useless, her injuries were healed and she was revived, a low ranking human or perhaps a Gedd if there was one aboard, morphed her and was simply discarded so the enemy would have a body to find, so they wouldn't pursue looking for Rachel.
They waited for her to finish her final communication, let everyone see her die, then left a fake body for the Animorphs to find all while the true Rachel became a controler. Her experience and strength went to the Yeerks. The fate would have been worse than death, sure, but she'd be alive and there'sa chance she could have been rescued later. Three years of galactic battle later Rachel could have been tempered into the experienced leader needed to help mankind against The One, Jake can't be everywhere at once after all.
I really like that idea! Maybe that's how it really is... At least I can say that in my mind. Kudos!
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EDIT! I just realized that Dinosaur Nothlit already posted here mentioning this very element of her story! I apologize for not noticing that. You can still read what I typed originally.
Here's a great way to revive Rachel that no one has mentioned yet, and I think it's the best and most clever:
In the direct sequel to Dinosaur Nothlit's Book 55: The Difference fan fiction, Book 56: The Rebirth (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3883125/1/Book_55_The_Difference (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3883125/1/Book_55_The_Difference) and http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4481989/1/Book_56_The_Rebirth (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4481989/1/Book_56_The_Rebirth) here).
WARNING! SPOILERS!
Let me start again. In "The Difference", it is revealed that Rachel's ixcila was preserved by Quafijinivon in book 34. By accident, Rachel's ixcila is placed in a Hork-Bajir named Nenan by a female Arn named Quahyliera. Cassie asks Quahyliera to make a substance that will make her allergic to the Rachel DNA in her system from book 12. Cassie performs a hereth illint of a new body for Rachel, and Rachel herself moves her spirit from Nenan to the newly-created body. The body Rachel inhabits has some super-basic human instincts running through it before Rachel enters it, but it is unknown if there is a consciousness inside it that Rachel must fight. (Story isn't finished.)
So that's how they get Rachel back, but anything that happened after her ixcila was harvested in book 34, she doesn't remember. Her friends will have to fill her in on what happened in books 35 through 55 to get her up to date.
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I had always wondered why Ellimist didn't have the whole team cloned since the beginning of the story. He DID invent the Andalites, after all. He's obviously good with genetics.
Then, when Rachel dies, he can time-freeze, replace real-Rachel with her nonsentient copy, let the copy take the deathstroke and get jettisoned into space and cremated. Then, Ellimist reinserts real-Rachel into the story after the others encounter freaky-Ax, and she helps save the day, woohoo! ;)
No interruption of continuity, check!
Rachel lives, check!
he didn't invent the Andalites. He made the Pamelites. Though he did help out the Andalites, they existed before he came to that neck of the galaxy.
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Or maybe a sario rip happens in a similar fashion as book#11 and allows one of them(tobias or jake) to go back and prevent her death in the first place.(seeing as she died for no reason at all, and tom would still be alive and possible of being saved). and just like in book 11, this person exists 2 places at one time causing an unstable condition, and just like in book 11 one version dies and the minds snap together allowing the story to still maintain the emotion of rachel dying, but making it so it didn't happen... [p]
only thats kinda cliche. you might as well make it so it was all a bad dream. which REALLY would be cliche.
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12) Get a copy of the memories sold to guide in the Attack, and stuff 'em in Melissa Chapman or Cassie, or that one blind girl who acquired Rachel in the ultimate. The latter would be convenient: have the girl put in a coma, insert some Rachel brain, and (optional) go nothlit.
13) Bring Rachel back, but not in a physical body. Have her be an apprentice of sorts to the Ellimist, or act as a liaison to the Animorphs. They did that to Cordelia on Angel.
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1) The One was hiding on the blade ship already and it absorbed her, I see that others came to the same idea, which is cool.
2) rewrite the last book so she almost dies but doesn't.
3) I LOVED the idea of tying applegate to a chair, whoever said that. it's exactly what I want to do.
4) rewrite both of the last two books so no one is sent to kill tom at all.
5) forget "bringing back". tobias dies, but believed in christ, and goes to heaven? and she's there?
6) the polar bear changes sides. although I guess thats unlikely.
7) the polar bear hesitates, there is enough time to posssibly run right between its legs and be 20% morphed by the first blow, possibly surviving. kind of fits under method 2.
8 ) tom has no snake morph.
9) whatever happened with erek just never happens and the pool ship has full power to help.
10) the elimist decides it is not breaking the rules to intervene if he takes away her morphing ability, removing her from the war.
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You know how Crayak likes to mess with the Animorphs by changing things around and creating alternate realities? Well, I always thought that, in my head, Rachel's death was one of those things that he/it did and that it would all be revealed to be an illusion in the end. Seeing as "The Beginning" ended with the whole premise that we, the readers, are now responsable to surmise our own conclusions on what happened, and what will happen next, I always concluded it that the collision of the two ships at the end would snap them back into the correct reality, and Crayak would fail once again.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :kitty:
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Why would you want everyone to survive though, big kum-bah-yah celebration? It kind of misses the whole point of the series.