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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Damien on February 10, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
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Would you willingly give up your DNA to a yeerk so they can escape the huge limitations of being said species?
I think that I would. Me personally would hate to have to live as a yeerk, being blind, deaf, ect. and the only way to see would be to take over another species body. I couldn't live with the fact that I was taking away someone else's freedom. If I was somehow one of those evil yeerks I would also hate the three day limit.
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If I liked the guy, I wouldn't mind either way, but if I didn't or didn't know the guy at all then only if he/she used the frolis maneuver.
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I'd do it, regardless. Sure, I'd prefer if they used a Frolis maneuver, but if that weren't feasible, I wouldn't mind. I figure the sacrifice on my part is much less than the sacrifice the Yeerk would be forced to make if I refused.
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i'd only do it if they mixed my DNA with other ppl like Ax id
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They wouldn't want mine, but if they did then sure. I mean the DNA has to come rom somewhere, if it stops the human race from being enslaved then it sounds good to me.
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What the hell? No way...that's wrong in my eyes.
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I would, but ONLY if they used the Frolis maneuver.
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I would. Basically with no restrictions. While I would prefer the mixing of DNA, I would do it without the mix if need be.
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Frolis maneuver is NEEDED. For them to be human if they become part of humanity and kill some one and they are you wont you get blamed? or discrimination.
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Hmmm. That's true. Like I said, though. Frolis maneuver would be optimal.
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Yeah, in a society where DNA is your identity frollis + nothlit is required for the safety of the donors.
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It won't cause any more problems than any other twin situation I think. Though that's mostly why I would prefer frolis.
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Frolis maneuver is NEEDED. For them to be human if they become part of humanity and kill some one and they are you wont you get blamed? or discrimination.
What about identical twins? They have the same DNA, yet we never experience any problems where one twin kills somebody and the other gets blamed.
All they would need is some sort of identification system. Driver's license, birth certificate, that sort of thing. Stuff we already have in place, for humans, at least.
But then you get into discrimination, because a person checking your ID could be like, "Hey, your last name is a number? Yeerk!" So maybe Frolis maneuvers would be better for everyone involved.
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I'd want Frolis manouvre, but I'd donate normally, if necessary.
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Identical twins still have differences. For example, different fingerprints. There'd be NO way to detect differences with a morphed Yeerk.
I'd offer my DNA, if there was a frolis performed.
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I'd go with the Frolis maneuver, because of blame, and I would feel really weird having some Yeerk as my twin. It would be kinda disturbing.
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i would probably do ax's technique. no two of me would be on the earth..
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Yeah, I'd definitely donate if they used the frollis maneuver thing. I mean, it wouldn't be any different than donating blood or whatever. Less painful than donating blood, too!
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much.
i wonder how painful acquiring would be without the 'sleepy' sensation it causes? ;D
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For about a million different personal and legal reasons, I think it would definitely be illegal to do it without a Frolis maneuver. I certainly wouldn't want a Yeerk who was physically identical to me wandering around, not to mention the fact that there could easily be cases of identity theft or mistaken identity of criminals, etc.
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For about a million different personal and legal reasons, I think it would definitely be illegal to do it without a Frolis maneuver. I certainly wouldn't want a Yeerk who was physically identical to me wandering around, not to mention the fact that there could easily be cases of identity theft or mistaken identity of criminals, etc.
Yeah that was my first thought.
But even knowing that someone is made up of 1/4 or 1/5 of me..creepy!
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Of course I would! But except if the guy is a true friend I wanna keep as twin (and wanna be my twin ^^), he'd have to use the DNA-mixing.
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depends. if it's a yeerk that INSISTS he be an exact duplicate of me, I'd flat-out refuse to give him my DNA. If he's genuinely nice about it, yeah I'd probably give him my DNA regardless of using the frolis maneuver or not...
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Identical twins still have differences. For example, different fingerprints. There'd be NO way to detect differences with a morphed Yeerk.
I'd offer my DNA, if there was a frolis performed.
Identical twins do have different fingerprints enough they share the same DNA, it is how they grow and develop, so wouldn't it be the same for a yeerk using the same reasoning?
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Actually, that's either a (possible) KASU or morphing somehow manages to capture non-genetic information.
Non-cannon, but somewhat related:
Why then is it that I can morph both summer
(http://www.arkive.org/media/6E/6E8BFE8B-A8AD-420F-A4A6-6A616D6E2095/Presentation.Thumb/photo.jpg)
and winter
(http://www.mnh.si.edu/mna/thumbnails/images/ermine_ASM588.jpg)
coats of M. erminea at will?
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I wouldn't, probably for the same reason I don't give blood.
It's mine
I know, it's kinda selfish, and there's the "what if you needed it and no one would give" question, but still, I believe in working with what you got for as long as you can.
It'd weird me out too much to think there was something out there with my DNA. Just me I guess :-\
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Nope, let it suffer >:D
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I don't think the world would benefit very much from there being two of me, so the last option.
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Actually, that's either a (possible) KASU or morphing somehow manages to capture non-genetic information.
Non-cannon, but somewhat related:
Why then is it that I can morph both summer
(http://www.arkive.org/media/6E/6E8BFE8B-A8AD-420F-A4A6-6A616D6E2095/Presentation.Thumb/photo.jpg)
and winter
(http://www.mnh.si.edu/mna/thumbnails/images/ermine_ASM588.jpg)
coats of M. erminea at will?
I'm not sure you could. I think you need to acquire two separate morphs, one with its winter and one with its summer coat. However, if you became a nothlit, would its coat still change? Probably?
Similar to having a morph of a lion cub and an adult lion. You can't just choose what age the lion is when you morph it.
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The David trilogy made me wonder about morphs aging actually, because as it stood I don't see how a 13 year old kid as intelligent as David seemed to think he was, could think he could keep morphing a 15(ish) year old for years and not have anyone notice he isn't getting any older, yet no one pointed this out to David so I wondered "hey, maybe the morphs age while you're in them" but that didn't make any sense really since essentially once you morph out you discard any changes made to the animal, i.e. their injuries aren't there the next time you morph, why would any time passed in that body affect them?
There's a lot about morphing that we just have to guess about, but when you really think about it you should be able to morph a winter coat, it's in the DNA. Of course if Rachel can't revert her hair style back to normal (at one book, I think 2, she mentions that she got a bad haircut and wishes that morphing could fix it, then states that it can't) I doubt you can really dictate how the animal will look when you're done, it's just going to be exactly as it was when you acquired it.
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I don't think the morphs age... Look at the fly morphs, for example. How long live a fly? One year? I don't really know, but not 3 years... and they took the fly DNA near the beginning and still use it later... 3 years later...
And even if the morphs age only when you're morphing them, David couldn't stay 24 hours a day in his morph. How many times by day he could morph before being tired, exhausted!? 4, maybe 5 times. Let's say 6. So he'd be in Jake's cousin's body during 12 hours a day, the half of time... and the morphs would grow up only half what a true body would. Then after 6 or 8 years, he'd grow only 3 or 4 years... long long years when you should morph everytime.
So yeah, David made a mistake ^^
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I don't think the world would benefit very much from there being two of me, so the last option.
Haha, same.
And about the morphs aging, someone told me today that every time DNA replicates it loses some bits off the end. When we are born we have some extra bits that don't code anything, but eventually our DNA degrades and we start to age.
Ah, I'm so bad at explaining this kind of thing, but I think it proves that the DNA you've acquired should age as well, but at a slower rate because you're only replicating it each time you morph.
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I don't think the world would benefit very much from there being two of me, so the last option.
Haha, same.
And about the morphs aging, someone told me today that every time DNA replicates it loses some bits off the end. When we are born we have some extra bits that don't code anything, but eventually our DNA degrades and we start to age.
Ah, I'm so bad at explaining this kind of thing, but I think it proves that the DNA you've acquired should age as well, but at a slower rate because you're only replicating it each time you morph.
That would explain why the fly morphs haven't died, then. Even though they've had those morphs for three years, I bet if you added up all the time they've been in fly morph, it wouldn't add up to more than a couple days, maybe a week. I'm sure flies live at least a week.
That brings up another question though. Which is, what happens if you try to morph something that is past its 'expiration date'?
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I'm not sure. From a logical stand point, it should still work as DNA wouldn't change. But using that theory, the Animorphs could potentially acquire dinosaurs. They have clarified that they can't, so I'm just going to assume you can't acquire DNA from a creature that's dead.
As far as giving up my DNA, I'd have no problem with it. The only reason I would be hesitant at first is because if the yeerk that morphed you committed a crime, my DNA would be at the scene. Then I started thinking that if there could be people with identical DNA out there, police forensics would have to change. People I've talked to about this get worked up about someone out there having your face, and you being mistaken for the yeerk. All I can say to them is: I dated a twin. You get used to mistaking people who look alike and it becomes a non-issue.
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Mirienne, your explanation is good ^^ It works with the second theory I said: they don't age as quickly as true bodies. So David's idea wasn't good.
AgentAK, you also thought about that ^^ I thought about it but in a different way: when you have a twin nobody know, you can be in 2 places in the same time (useful for many things, even for crimes ;)).
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You see, I considered that as well. I don't think that just being seen or having your DNA somewhere would be a solid defense anymore, as anyone with morphing ability could have acquired you.
Also, I think that the government would want to regulate who's DNA is being used, so they know who they have doubles of.
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I never thought David's was a good idea for exactly that reason, but I wondered why no one pointed it out, if he realized it wouldn't work he might have been less smug, more willing to be reasoned with.
But morphs aging at all, even slowly, that would mean that Tobias' human morph was also aging, but slowly . . . so it would have been less creepy for a 16 year old Rachel to be dating a 13 year old (human) Tobias . . . kind of takes the amusement out of the picture because I also wondered why nobody (outside their group) ever commented on it, I mean they were going to school dances together and everything :P
You know I was thinking . . . I don't think Visser 3 would have been the only yeerk hoping for an Andalite body, but I doubt many (read as any) Andalites would give up their DNA, I mean Ax was kind of irate about a Yeerk touching him just to save his life, I don't see him letting any acquire him. What do you think happened to yeerks who didn't want to be human or hork-bajir, but instead wanted to be Andalites, or some other race that would have refused?
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You know I was thinking . . . I don't think Visser 3 would have been the only yeerk hoping for an Andalite body, but I doubt many (read as any) Andalites would give up their DNA, I mean Ax was kind of irate about a Yeerk touching him just to save his life, I don't see him letting any acquire him. What do you think happened to yeerks who didn't want to be human or hork-bajir, but instead wanted to be Andalites, or some other race that would have refused?
Funny you should mention that. I have a Yeerk character in one of my fanfics who did exactly that. My story was that there are, in fact, unscrupulous Andalites (remember Samilin?) who might be convinced to let Yeerks acquire them. But only for an extremely steep price, of course. Hey, if you're going to be giving up your DNA, might as well get a little something in return, right? And for a high enough price, you can convince just about anybody to do just about anything.
The ironic thing being, of course, that Yenlin (my character) hates Andalites with a burning passion, and only got himself stuck as one precisely because he knew it would piss off any Andalite that met him.
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(remember Samilin?)
Ooh, I had not. Unscrupulous Andalites . . . I guess that should have occurred to me, well spotted :)
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Oh! I remember something! Maybe. Doesn't Cassie or Rachel change tooth size when morphing? *starts searching*
Anyway, my experience may not directly correlate, since I'm a) using a different revision of the technology and b) also a lycanthrope.
(Ha, ha, ha. Skilfully retconned, no?)
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Of course I would! But except if the guy is a true friend I wanna keep as twin (and wanna be my twin ^^), he'd have to use the DNA-mixing.
Agreed. But also if I know the yeerk won't use my body to commit crimes, I'll be fine without the mixing thingy
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Now for me, I would think that my DNA would not be ideal because of my Crohn's condition. I mean, I don't know if auto-immune diseases would pass along from acquirree to acquirer because on BOTH sides of my family there are signs of IBS/IBD there. So I would think the morph would also carry it.
I mean, I doubt the Yeerk-humans would be given the same medical care like I get and whatnot. Unless that Yeerk REALLY wanted to live the rest of his/her life in my shoes...
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As I looked over the smoking crater that used to be my house, gamestop, and a mcdonalds I'd say no. These things have personally wronged me. Unless their was a very specific scenario I would not give up my DNA.
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They would have to be on my side 100%. Like Illim in Mr. Tidwell. (Though this may sound crazy, I just couldn't for Aftran...I don't know why, its not logical, Aftran just rubs me the wrong way.)
And it would have to be a frolis maneuver.
Other than that...GO BACK TO THE TAXXON HOMEWORLD. At least they wanted you there...gosh...
I mean...these people have to live in society with us...we better only pick the ones we KNOW are going to work out. :o
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i'd want the frolis maneuver to be done if i gave up my dna because of so many issues of shared dna. mistaken identity, crimes, blah blah. and i don't want to be put on a government watch list if they wanted to keep track of doubles. to hell with that...it's my dna to share if i please, it doesn't have to spread around or made known to everyone. plus that would make it too easy to be discriminated against. 'you're a yeerk? no you don't get this loan for a house!' or 'you helped the enemy? no we will not give you this job'
i can understand why no one would want to do it, the yeerks being our ultimate enemy and all, but i think it would be a wonderful thing because who knows how many yeerks are really peaceful, how many wanted the war to end, or to never start? how many might have been fighting because of a draft, or under the pains of torture and death and all that? i recall humans being punished for not fighting in wars, i can imagine that the yeerks might be the same way.
i think it would also go a long way to making a treaty and solving problems. we give them dna, they help us with spacey crap, help us colonize mars, the moon, get resources, blah blah.
also, it might help with organ/tissue/blood shortages...like maybe the yeerks can stay in morph after surrendering a lung or kidney or maybe a heart and remorphing to repair the damage. that sounds horribly morbid now that i've typed it out...i don't know how you'd go about remorphing after having your heart taken out...maybe if the yeerk is suicidal and willing to be a sacrifice?
boy i need sleep...
Noelle, you say we should pick the ones we know are going to work out...how do you know it will? you can't exactly pick out people to keep alive. we let all kinds of crazy people loose in the world, why would the yeerks in human morph be any worse?
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Noelle, you say we should pick the ones we know are going to work out...how do you know it will? you can't exactly pick out people to keep alive. we let all kinds of crazy people loose in the world, why would the yeerks in human morph be any worse?
You've convinced my my stance was illogical.
Its just I understand that it would be stupid to let them ALL stay here.
Yet, it would be cruel to conscribe the ones that really really are good to a life as a slug when they really helped us free our own planet.
I guess I worded it stupidly. I guess what I am trying to say is if they have PROVEN themselves to us in the sense that they fought their own race to free us from their own race, then they deserve the chance to try to make it in our society.
But if they were on the other side...pffft. Get a taxxon and go away. A willing Taxxon.
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hah i win!
i kid. i really understand what you mean, and why you feel that way. it'd be like letting known serial killers or war criminals out onto society.
i'm a tree hugging hippy and some what of a pacifist and optimist at heart, and i want everyone, alien or not, killer or not, to have a chance at a good life. i believe everyone should have the chance at a good life, and sometimes even if it means choking down the fact that they did horrible, god awful things. especially if they've done those things in the middle of a war they had no say in, like the ones we humans currently have, and like the ones the yeerks had with us (and others)
ask my friends, i can get really sappy and all that mess...i yearn for utopia and the good in all people >.> it's really sad, lol.
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I mean...these people have to live in society with us...we better only pick the ones we KNOW are going to work out. :o
Yeah, this comment seems a bit concerning. I mean, first off, we can't tell the future. We don't know who will and won't work out. The intent is good, but I can easily seeing this mindset leading to severe discrimination.
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I think the human yeerks would have had a witness protection program style thing. they can live in any city in any country in the world that they want, and will be moved discreetly into a new life with fake files. They'll work for goverment run jobs, so to avoid employers blabbing.
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I mean...these people have to live in society with us...we better only pick the ones we KNOW are going to work out. :o
Yeah, this comment seems a bit concerning. I mean, first off, we can't tell the future. We don't know who will and won't work out. The intent is good, but I can easily seeing this mindset leading to severe discrimination.
Yeah, I agreed that it sounded bad, I amended in my second post. :)
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Maybe if the yeerk did a Frolis Maneuver with me.:shrug: I'd find it kind of creepy if yeerk was walking around, a nothlit of me.
Also sorry for bringing all these old posts back. :P :-[
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I'd do it, regardless. Sure, I'd prefer if they used a Frolis maneuver, but if that weren't feasible, I wouldn't mind. I figure the sacrifice on my part is much less than the sacrifice the Yeerk would be forced to make if I refused.
I'll do it for a million bucks!
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I guess what I am trying to say is if they have PROVEN themselves to us in the sense that they fought their own race to free us from their own race, then they deserve the chance to try to make it in our society.
This one here is one double-bladed sword.
Which one do common opinion fall towards?
One who betrayed his own species for another?
One who fought another species(willingly or not)until the end?
Just pointing out, if he betrayed his own species while fighting humans, how can anyone make sure he won't do it again at another time, in other place?