Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Patrick Ripoll on December 25, 2008, 09:08:00 PM
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As I is not of English speaking original, I relate most to the character andalite of axmili. I think he asian immigrant message in books. Agreethoughts?
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hmmm...i could definately see that. it adds a least a degree of variety and flavor to the series!
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I actually agree with that idea, Ax and the Andalite culture was a lot about honor and conduct in a way that reminds me a lot of stories about Japanese Samurai and what not
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so...Andalites with British accents in Asian tradition...
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so...Andalites with British accents in Asian tradition...
i never imagined him with a british accent. dunno why so many others did.
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Um, I really don't understand this thread...
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Um, I really don't understand this thread...
don't worry, i don't either. just play along ;)
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Um, I really don't understand this thread...
As RYTX said above, it's about how the Andalite culture was described the books that seemed similar to a mix of different Asian cultures (honor, rituals, fighting stances, etc). I really didn't notice the inspiration until now though.
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Me too... but now you speak about it... yeah, Aximili is a kind of Asian Alien ^^'
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I never noticed the Asian influence before now, but I think Ax always was there to make the books easier to relate to for non-Americans. As I've mentioned before, the whole "it could even be YOUR home town" bit was less of an impact to those outside of the U.S., since the books were clearly set there. So, Ax being from another PLANET, helped non-Americans to relate a bit more.
Not that there's that much of a cultural difference between Canada and the U.S., but I'm sure you all know what I mean.
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I always thought Ax was kind of an even-mix of Japanese culture and Muslim culture.
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I actually agree with that idea, Ax and the Andalite culture was a lot about honor and conduct in a way that reminds me a lot of stories about Japanese Samurai and what not
It used to remind me of the same thing when i thought of Ax.
But, I don't see the link with Muslim culture?
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Maybe the "macho" culture, but Japaneses are also macho, so...
Except that, I don't see the link too.
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Many of their rituals are very reminiscent of Muslim rituals.
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Being non-American and all, I still found it easy enough to relate with Animorphs, even though I suppose I did have a special fondness for Ax (and all Andalites in general).
I suppose K.A did bring in his character for the purpose of making non-Americans comfortable with the war going on in America, like AniDragon says.
But I do not see any strongly Asian influence, unless you count the rituals.
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Huh? Asian?
Personally I don't get why do you guys could specify him as a representative of Asian being. I thought his act was more British-y to neutral, you know, all about the pride, the total loyalty to the higher commander and so on. Don't forget the prince rank.
About the rituals... Well, it does have a resemblance but I suppose it doesn't really referred from Muslim prayer. The Andalites have their own death ritual, wish-flower ritual (or what it was called) etc that doesn't follow Muslim's.
Ah well. Andalites are fun nevertheless. Especially Ax. :P Whatever their culture was taken from.
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Huh? Asian?
Personally I don't get why do you guys could specify him as a representative of Asian being. I thought his act was more British-y to neutral, you know, all about the pride, the total loyalty to the higher commander and so on. Don't forget the prince rank.
Well, we probably saw him as representative of asian people, especially japanese actually, cause we are taught (I'm not saying it really is that way, I've never been to Japan) but yeah we are taught that Japanese are really respectful of the hierarchy, you can see it still now in the way they evolve in their companies.
They always start at the bottom and they slowly get higher and higher in their ranks.
Plus, the Andalites are not really individualists, they have a "group" vision of things. They are part of a group before being an individual person.
Well, maybe it's exagerated but that's the way we are taught japanese are contrary to western people who are very individualists.
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I never noticed the Asian influence before now, but I think Ax always was there to make the books easier to relate to for non-Americans. As I've mentioned before, the whole "it could even be YOUR home town" bit was less of an impact to those outside of the U.S., since the books were clearly set there. So, Ax being from another PLANET, helped non-Americans to relate a bit more.
Not that there's that much of a cultural difference between Canada and the U.S., but I'm sure you all know what I mean.
I don't really agree with you there...
Well, I think that his insertion in the animorphs group allowed KA to send messages to the readers (all readers and especially American ones as the animrophs were American) and that he was not there so that the foreigners could identify to him but on the contrary he was like a mirror pointing out our own incoherence and allowing us to think of ourselves... You know like in the other's differences you can better define yourself cause without the other everything seems natural to you... but when the other comes and start asking "why do you do this and why do you do that?" you can really begin wondering about the reasons why you do that whereas before it seemed so obvious/natural that you've never asked yourself any question.
Actually, sometimes i kinda thought the Andalites were the American of the universe... in the way they were described. No offense to you (i have nothing against americain people, don't misunderstand me), but it's sometimes the image the USA give in the world. The Andalites are often describe as "the meddlers of the galaxy" who, under the pretext of saving the universe, especially try to protect their own interests.
When I was younger I thought that maybe the andalites were there so that the american reader could identify to them LOL
I know this statement was extreme^^ but i tried to apply the fictional events that occured in the books to real situations in our world.
Actually, now I do apply it to my own country as well (yes, yes nobody is an angel) and I think of it everytime a country claims to want to help people because of "moral".
Well, I think animorphs made me cynical :p
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I's a Borat, Yea yea!
Ax reminded me alot of the people in the show, third rock from the sun.
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PS for Tocade: Hierarchie is more important in Korea than in Japan, now, in fact. So you can see "Asia", not only "Japan" in the Andalites...
And I agree with you...
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Esplin: I've never seen it :-[
Dameg : you're probably right ^^ I said it, i've never been to Japan and i don't know how it really is over there. All I have is this western cliché about Japan :P
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tocade: i actually agree with you about the whole andalites as americans. i actually saw it like that too.
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Esplin: I've never seen it :-[
Dameg : you're probably right ^^ I said it, i've never been to Japan and i don't know how it really is over there. All I have is this western cliché about Japan :P
its freaking funny, you should check it out. everyone who thought ax was funny should.
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I never noticed the Asian influence before now, but I think Ax always was there to make the books easier to relate to for non-Americans. As I've mentioned before, the whole "it could even be YOUR home town" bit was less of an impact to those outside of the U.S., since the books were clearly set there. So, Ax being from another PLANET, helped non-Americans to relate a bit more.
Not that there's that much of a cultural difference between Canada and the U.S., but I'm sure you all know what I mean.
I don't really agree with you there...
Well, I think that his insertion in the animorphs group allowed KA to send messages to the readers (all readers and especially American ones as the animrophs were American) and that he was not there so that the foreigners could identify to him but on the contrary he was like a mirror pointing out our own incoherence and allowing us to think of ourselves... You know like in the other's differences you can better define yourself cause without the other everything seems natural to you... but when the other comes and start asking "why do you do this and why do you do that?" you can really begin wondering about the reasons why you do that whereas before it seemed so obvious/natural that you've never asked yourself any question.
Actually, sometimes i kinda thought the Andalites were the American of the universe... in the way they were described. No offense to you (i have nothing against americain people, don't misunderstand me), but it's sometimes the image the USA give in the world. The Andalites are often describe as "the meddlers of the galaxy" who, under the pretext of saving the universe, especially try to protect their own interests.
When I was younger I thought that maybe the andalites were there so that the american reader could identify to them LOL
I know this statement was extreme^^ but i tried to apply the fictional events that occured in the books to real situations in our world.
Actually, now I do apply it to my own country as well (yes, yes nobody is an angel) and I think of it everytime a country claims to want to help people because of "moral".
Well, I think animorphs made me cynical :p
Wow. That was insightful! I guess when you put it that way, I have no choice but to agree, even if it's only grudging acceptance ... ;D
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I never noticed the Asian influence before now, but I think Ax always was there to make the books easier to relate to for non-Americans. As I've mentioned before, the whole "it could even be YOUR home town" bit was less of an impact to those outside of the U.S., since the books were clearly set there. So, Ax being from another PLANET, helped non-Americans to relate a bit more.
Not that there's that much of a cultural difference between Canada and the U.S., but I'm sure you all know what I mean.
I don't really agree with you there...
Well, I think that his insertion in the animorphs group allowed KA to send messages to the readers (all readers and especially American ones as the animrophs were American) and that he was not there so that the foreigners could identify to him but on the contrary he was like a mirror pointing out our own incoherence and allowing us to think of ourselves... You know like in the other's differences you can better define yourself cause without the other everything seems natural to you... but when the other comes and start asking "why do you do this and why do you do that?" you can really begin wondering about the reasons why you do that whereas before it seemed so obvious/natural that you've never asked yourself any question.
Actually, sometimes i kinda thought the Andalites were the American of the universe... in the way they were described. No offense to you (i have nothing against americain people, don't misunderstand me), but it's sometimes the image the USA give in the world. The Andalites are often describe as "the meddlers of the galaxy" who, under the pretext of saving the universe, especially try to protect their own interests.
When I was younger I thought that maybe the andalites were there so that the american reader could identify to them LOL
I know this statement was extreme^^ but i tried to apply the fictional events that occured in the books to real situations in our world.
Actually, now I do apply it to my own country as well (yes, yes nobody is an angel) and I think of it everytime a country claims to want to help people because of "moral".
Well, I think animorphs made me cynical :p
Wow. That was insightful! I guess when you put it that way, I have no choice but to agree, even if it's only grudging acceptance ... ;D
Oh but Andalites were still fun.
(I was in love with Aximili ;D )