Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: goom on December 14, 2008, 07:58:50 PM
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(note: this is not your most/least favorite)
which book in the whole series, chronicles included, do you feel is the MOST and least important to the storyline?
for more important book, i'd have to say the #1, the invasion, but the andalite/hork-bajir chronicles were also quite important.
the least important book would definitely be #48, the return. complete waste of a book, it was a little touching at the end but was kind of pointless.
i might go over the 'most important' choice again, because i'm sure there's a good second candidate, but number one was definitely needed.
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48 would be pretty well up there on the list of irrevelant books. They waste the potential of bringing David back, and make Rachel seem more one dimensional than she should be. She has two sides, dang it!
Book one and HBC are up there on the list of most relevant books.
There are a lot of books that would go on either list. Lot's of books that are very important to read because they are crucial to the plot. Many books that you could skip reading altogether, and not miss a thing plotwise.
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haha yeah.
remember that underwater civilization? (the mutation, i think.)
waste of a book. that's up there with #48
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Yeah I agree with the mutation...
But the most useless is "the unexpected" (44) according to me.
(Oh there is also "the proposal" and the one were the yeerks want to destroy the human will...)
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Yeah, i think Australia was one of the more notorious fillers. Maybe because it happens near the end, when KA starts rushing things to hurry and end the series.
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I agree^^
And it was such a cliché^^
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What was the cliche, exactly?
Someone getting isolated and bringing harm to innocent bystanders because of the enemies hunting them?
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The boomerang thing
Oh and the "no worries"
It was an Australian cliché ^^
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ah, the Australian steriotypes.
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For me 33/43 and 28 top out the worthless ones, though 28, still funny
1 obviously, 5 and 49 I mark as ones that are must reads. Big moments there
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how about the separation? (starfish, bad/good rachel)
oh, 'in time with the dinosaurs'. cool, but a big waste. no dino morphs :(
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(Oh there is also "the proposal" and the one were the yeerks want to destroy the human will...)
Though I agree with the second one you mentioned, The Proposal was actually a bit important. The "main plot" was mostly filler, but the part about Marco's dad getting married was pretty important.
Another irrelevant book: #14 (the Zone 91 book). Funny at times, yes, but not too important, plot wise.
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Most irrelevant: Alternamorphs? xD
I guess that doesn't really count...but most of the ones people have already mentioned I agree with.
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A lot of the books you mention seem unimportant, but some allow for different character relationships to be shown. Most characters generally stick to interacting with one or two of the others with sparse input from the others. And honestly, do you think every battle against the yeerks is going to be an epic tale. Especially when the animorphs always end up following the trail the yeerks left behind. So some missions are important, some end up less important than they should have been. Although the whole david working for crayak was definately not a favorite. But it showed a bit more into Rachel's self and her inner conflict. Necessary but not one to dwell on. Although, when it comes to irrelevent, megamorphs 2 mostly because they didn't keep the morphs. I was unhappy about that. It just messed with Cassie's head and that's done enough already.
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number 9 was irrelevant i think also the familiar was total filler
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Number 9 was far from irrelevant. It's not exactly the most relevant, but it was nowhere NEAR irrelevant.
Edit: Oops, my bad. I mistook Book 9 for Book 8.
Carry on...
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I'd say 39 was irrelevant. half the plot (yeerks being able to track morphing energy) was already done before in MM1.
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48 would be pretty well up there on the list of irrevelant books. They waste the potential of bringing David back, and make Rachel seem more one dimensional than she should be. She has two sides, dang it!...
Hmmmm. This is true for me, too.
I think it feels that way because it wasn't how all the fans were expecting David's return to be like, through alliance to the Cryak.
But I have to go with The Unexpected. You guys are spot on on the 'cliched' description of DownUnder. 'Cliched' is also the reason I haven't watched that new 'Australia' movie yet. But that's besides the point.
I've never been up north of Australia (where Cassie's venture took place), the descriptions of the landscape I could buy. And, yes, you always hear stories of how vicious those grey kangaroos can be with those hind legs, but I am not sure how the marsupials would perform against the Hork-Bajirs. I would say it was almost daring of KA to portray the animal as a ferocious fighter on a par with the Hork-Bajir-Controllers. And then the boomerangs... I actually laughed. But hey, fiction is fiction here!!! You gotta love that! Heheheh!
PS: In The Mutation the Anis at least succeed in destroying the underwater Bladeship and further saved the Chee's butt. The Unexpected starts and ends with absolutely no point other than Cassie showing she can survive on her own, which was already shown through reading The Sickness, really. TOTAL FILL IN.
...(Oh there is also "the proposal" and the one were the yeerks want to destroy the human will...)
Oh, man, I reckon this book is very important as a series plot and character development-wise.
I would add The Journey. The whole story was a K.A. play on showing the world through microscopic inner body scapes... A bit mind blowing to be conceived. Sharks swimming in blood. Whales corroding in gastric juice. Roaches surviving through organs. Chasing annoying Helmacrons within Marco's body while he tries to retrieve a camera just felt a bit useless to me. I think it is saved by the Yeerk Front Business they succeeded in ruining at the start of the story.
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I thought it was a bit interesting how Marco contracted rabies. Maybe if it had been doen differently. One of the Anis (other than rachel) contracting rabies. Maybe Ax or Jake. Not sure how I would do the plot, but it would be funny if they were captured and infested, then the Yeerks realize he has rabies. The Yeerks in his head forces him to morph, then he somehow gets rescued. Also somehow the rabies helps keept the Yeerk from taking full control or reading his mind.
That might make a good fanfic.
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But I have to go with The Unexpected. You guys are spot on on the 'cliched' description of DownUnder. 'Cliched' is also the reason I haven't watched that new 'Australia' movie yet. But that's besides the point.
Ahah, yes but there is Nicole Kidman in it^^
A friend who lives in Melbourne told me the movie was like Australia :
"There is a bit at one end, a little bit at the other and nothing in the middle"
;D
Well it seems like a big tourist campaign to attract people in Australia.
But I don't care, i want to see it !
I'd say 39 was irrelevant. half the plot (yeerks being able to track morphing energy) was already done before in MM1.
I totally agree ! I felt this book was a waste (even though it made me cry... Yeah i'm weird ).
The Unexpected starts and ends with absolutely no point other than Cassie showing she can survive on her own, which was already shown through reading The Sickness
Yes, besides the Sickness was awesome :p
As for the proposal... Well ok it was an important book... but the idea of not being able to keep the control over the morphing process (sorry for my bad English) was already used in the 12th book. And I really loved book 12 ^^ contrary to the proposal...
I would add The Journey. The whole story was a K.A. play on showing the world through microscopic inner body scapes... A bit mind blowing to be conceived. Sharks swimming in blood. Whales corroding in gastric juice. Roaches surviving through organs. Chasing annoying Helmacrons within Marco's body while he tries to retrieve a camera just felt a bit useless to me.
It made me think of this series... The magic school bus!!
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By the way Nohensen, what does "rabies" mean??
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The only reason the proposal wasn't comepletely irrelevant was because of Peter's wedding and the cliff hanger ending where Visser 1 calls Marco
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That's true. As I said, the sub-plot was more important than the "main" plot of what the Yeerks were doing.
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Yeah, fair enough, the main plot and their mission itself were already repetitive. Shut down a celebrity that was endorsing The Sharing and all. And the 'control-loss' in morphing had already been done, too. Granted.
BUT I look at The Proposal (on a par with The Conspiracy, The Experiment, The Separation (even if I think it was badly written), as an important character book. Not just because of Marco's dad's new situation and the way it ended, though those are important in the series.
In The Proposal, we get to see the always funny and purposefully calculating Marco unbalanced by his emotions making him lose control. And a certain irony can be found if you find he reacts not so different to Rachel with this challenge, Rachel, whom he would be the first to pick on for doing something stupid like going on a mission occulting 'morphing problems'.
The story had a lot more happening than Cassie doing a solo in the Outback, or getting captured by a mutated-underwater civilization, or stopping sand-particle creatures from stopping someone's heart for that matter.
See but even thinking about them now, there were bits that I would claim important to the Animorphs Universe.
Ahah, yes but there is Nicole Kidman in it^^
A friend who lives in Melbourne told me the movie was like Australia :
"There is a bit at one end, a little bit at the other and nothing in the middle"
;D
Well it seems like a big tourist campaign to attract people in Australia.
But I don't care, i want to see it !
You'd think we were in the 1930's that ways ;D. But yeah, go watch Kidman and Jackman get CHEEEEESAAAE on Hollywood. :-XHehehehe!
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CHEESY !!
THANKS I was looking for that word for dayyys !
CHEESY !!
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Hihihihihi!
Yell "CHEEEEEEESYYYYY!" everytime an actor says "HOWYAGOIN, MATE?!" or "GODDAY!", "NO WORRIES!" and etc... Heheheh!
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oooh OK!
No worries Mate! Oy'll do it^^
"Howyagoin ya old bastard ?!"
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By the way Nohensen, what does "rabies" mean??
Rabies is a disease that messes with the mind. By the time it reaches your brain, it's too late to do anything about it. Symptoms for the disease don't even start showing until it hits the brain, and rabies will kill you once that happens.
That's what I know about it.
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:-[ Thanks Nohensen...
Before you told me about the meaning, the word "rabies" reminded me of "rabbit".
It was cuter before ^^
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Favorite books was always when aximili enjoyed sticky buns. sticky buns are delicious american treat that I too am enjoying from occasion to time. Book three when Tobias is lovings towards Rachel but shes not loviungs reciprocate was heartbreaking but I did not enjoy the water books because water animals have no legs and are boring.
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but I did not enjoy the water books because water animals have no legs and are boring.
haha. ;D
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I think all of the irrelevant books were more like TV show episodes than actual books for a series. I've noticed that a lot of times an author will try to stay away from filler books as much as possible. However, when it comes to TV shows, sometimes they just throw in a few filler episodes to either answer a bunch of "what if" questions, or just have some new episodes to fill space so they can get on with the season finale and work on the next one.
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The Separation. Applegate didn't do it good. It's fun switching around wimpy speech and psycho speech but I got bored immediately.
...getting captured by a mutated-underwater civilization..
And this one. Very irrelevant. What were they called? Nesk? Nartec? I've forgotten already. The writer described the civilization oh so detailed but in the end it has nothing to do with the main story.
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I hated the Return but I wouldn't say it was the most irrelevant. If it had been written correctly, it would have been one of the most important Rachel books. But it was written horribly, with no clear ending... which really should have clued me into how the series itself would end, but oh well.
As for the actual biggest filler book, I'd have to choose eleven. They go through all that, then go back through the rip and none of it happened. POINTLESS.
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I feel the return was wasted potential. She could have turned David into a very nice main villain by having him return in book 27 at the earliest. Rigth after The Attack, when Jake and company ruined the Howler race. One day I may make a fanfic about it.
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I'll vote for The Revelation as the most relevant, mainly because it came after a long drought, and it didn't introduce anything new so much as it shook up rules that had been in place since book one. Reading it was a huge breath of fresh air.
Most irrelevant? 44 then 36 then 42.
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What rules did it shake up? I forget what Revelation was about.
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Ah, the beginning of the final arc, right? That was a good one.
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What rules did it shake up? I forget what Revelation was about.
telling about the invasion to humans...
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First time any long term side character (who wasn't "in the know") learned about the Animorphs and the invasion. At one point when Marco was about to save his dad the text went into italics for a paragraph, emphasizing the significance of what he was about to do, making it that much more dramatic.
But you're an Animorph, my rational mind argued. A soldier. You have to let it happen. You can't save him now. Even temporary freedom would mean the end. The Yeerks won't stop till they find him. Find you. Your friends. You have to let it happen. It's the smart thing to do. The only thing to do.
That was it. This was the end of smart. And the beginning of right.
Nora became a Controller. Marco told his dad about the Yeerks and Visser One, staged his death and retreated into the mountains, then killed Visser One and saved Eva. Things went past the point of no return.
After so many books where it seemed like someone would die or it seemed like something big would change, finally one of the central villains was actually killed off and one of the series' major story arcs - Marco's struggle to save his mom - was concluded. And in addition to all that, the book concludes with the Animorphs finally contacting the Andalite fleet.
The book had a huge sense of momentum, especially after the long lack of story progression in the preceding books. First chapter, Marco's dad starts talking about zero-space, and the next chapter ends with him saying, "You know what? This Zero-space discovery? It's big. Really big. I don't think our lives will ever be the same."
During a highway chase Marco takes Exit 54, insinuating that the final book was approaching. And at the end of the book, Scholastic even slipped a cryptic message from the Yeerks into the text (We do know who they are... and we know you, too...) to screw with our young minds. I didn't know about the final arc back then - I didn't know that the books were ending until the countdown appeared on #51 - so #45 was an incredibly exhilarating change of pace. Plus, the Animorphs logo changed.
Pretty much all the earlier books that were very relevant to the overall arc were mostly introducing new elements that would become staples of the following books. But book 45, instead of introducing anything really new, took several big elements that were already in place and twisted them around and changed the dynamics of the story so that things couldn't be the same afterwards.
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most important? number 23 of course
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Totally, Hylian Dan!
But wasn't that book ghostwritten too?!
Such an important book, I agree, and I recall it being the thinnest out of the whole series. I would say it's an important book, but badly written. Along with The Separation, The Return and so on...
I am still going with #44: The Unexpected as the most irrelevant. I think the Anis failed to bust a Yeerk craft rescue operation at the beginning (a stunt that had already been sort of tried at #11: The Forgotten, really) and then Cassie embarks on the whole Lost DownUnder thing.
With #36: The Mutation, never mind the secret race, the Anis managed to successfully destroy the improved SeaBlade, which is relevant merit for their accomplishments.
Arbron, why do you think #23 is the most important?!
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Garfrash, I agree with you about #44. Also I was sick and tired of getting yet another solo Cassie adventure.
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I don't know if anyone's said this before, but number 14 was pretty pointless imo. They even said it in the book lol. But some times irrelevant books are fun to read xP
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I don't know if anyone's said this before, but number 14 was pretty pointless imo. They even said it in the book lol. But some times irrelevant books are fun to read xP
yeah but book 14 was supposed to be irrelevant...like book 28.
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I think most of the books are pretty important as they add to all the details in the Ani-universe and if they don't, they explore some deep emotion within the character wo is narrating.
I don't know if anyone's said this before, but number 14 was pretty pointless imo. They even said it in the book lol. But some times irrelevant books are fun to read xP
Yes, that was a useless one. But it was fun. Andalite toilet, lol. ;D
I guess both the Helmalcron books were completely irrelevant. I didn't like either of them.
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It was fun lol :D
Idk if anyone's mentioned it before, but Number 47 seemed pretty pointless too, as well as 41. Both Jake books lol
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I know I might stand alone on this one, but The Attack seemed incredibly unimportant. The Ellimist just whisks them away in a random fight to save a species the yeerks might evolve into, which will eventually lead to no where in the story line. The Return did make me vomit in disgust from watching one of my favorite fictional characters of all time get utterly reduced to Visser 3 one dimensionalism.
Most important book...hmm Perhaps the Predator because it still was setting the stage for an unknown book series and set a MAJOR story line. I may also choose The Underground because thats the first time I can really remember them seriously questioning ethical dilemmas. Yeah don't kill people they always had, but wondering whether they should force people to live with a braindead yeerk or try to free them was the first in a long history of self doubt, at least that I can remember.
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As far as the actual series goes, The Attack is quite unimportant. If Jake had used the Howler morph afterwards, then it would have become more relevant.
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Might have been said already, but #41.
Its actually my fave of the regular series but its not really relevant.
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book 28 not very relevant at all <_< but extremely hilarious.
and i agree with the some were huge battles and others were not thing.
book 14 was also not very important.
Is it just me or are mostly irrelevant books funny.
i think they are made that way to make the series more balanced, not all killing and battles. And I think AC is the most important book and 1 of course without book 1 we have no backbone to the story.
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The least important book has to be MM4. I can't find words to describe it so I think I quite...
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Do any of the MM books really impact the series much? Not that I don't enjoy books where all the Anis get to narrate.
The Veleek never came back, the dinosaur morphs weren't usable afterwards, the Time Matrix was never used again, and the "reset button" was hit after the MM4 story. Though it might have been interesting if a few individuals of the Veleek monster didn't drown, then replicated. and I would have like to see a dyno-whatever fight a Hork. Or T-Rex go up against one of V3's morphs.
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Even if I haven't got time to read "in the time of dinosaurs" yet I have to agree. I agree on everything.
And I have another irrelevant book. #11, even if it was a very good one.
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most of teh irelevant books were there for teh fun i think.
book 9 was not that relevant i guess. well maybe a little but the end was just funny. Purple Visser 3 <_< always wondered why he didn't just morph something to get red of the smell.
book 8 was relevant only for Aximili. the story would have flowed fine without book 8 even if its one of my favorite books. Also filled with funny events. same with 14 and 28 and several others i can't think of.
than you have the Sario Rip irrelevant stories. they are irrelevant for the fact that the time line gets deleted. other than that they are just interesting reads.
It just seems that most of teh irrelevant books are filled with jokes. So its my assumption that those books are aiming at our entertainment more than teh relevant books which are aiming at our intellect and stuff. but i can be wrong
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Do any of the MM books really impact the series much? Not that I don't enjoy books where all the Anis get to narrate.
The Veleek never came back, the dinosaur morphs weren't usable afterwards, the Time Matrix was never used again, and the "reset button" was hit after the MM4 story. Though it might have been interesting if a few individuals of the Veleek monster didn't drown, then replicated. and I would have like to see a dyno-whatever fight a Hork. Or T-Rex go up against one of V3's morphs.
the only one that had ANY impact on the series was 1.
4 was a very interesting book, but i don't think it was that impacting.
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The Return did make me vomit in disgust from watching one of my favorite fictional characters of all time get utterly reduced to Visser 3 one dimensionalism.
Exactly. That book was hit-or-miss and it was definitely a miss.
#28, #36, and #44 were the most useless but I loved Animorphs enough that I didn't mind reading them.
However, I felt like because Ax had so few books they should've made his count for more. It did bring in some comic relief which was good for him.
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I say 12 because to my knowledge, they never got allergic to another DNA.
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I say 12 because to my knowledge, they never got allergic to another DNA.
Why not? The doctors I know says you can be allergic to almost everything...
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12 was a character book.
I never liked 11, but the concept of a Sario Rip came up later on.
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I say 12 because to my knowledge, they never got allergic to another DNA.
Why not? The doctors I know says you can be allergic to almost everything...
rlob means that they never got allergic to ANOTHER morph after that. it was used for story, nothing more.
i really liked the ending to the return, but the rest of the story wasn't very well-written.