Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Tim Bruening on June 19, 2015, 01:19:55 PM
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I: Ax morph into a flea or other very small insect.
II: Land on the back of Visser 3, which his rear end facing Visser 3's head.
III: Demorph, using his weight to crush Visser 3 to the ground. As soon as his tail appears, use it to chop off Visser 3's head.
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But it takes minutes to complete an morph, not seconds. Even if it only took like 20 seconds, before he could get to a size that would impair V3's mobility or let him use his tail, the Visser could use his own tail to destroy an mass of half morphed Andalite
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But it takes minutes to complete an morph, not seconds. Even if it only took like 20 seconds, before he could get to a size that would impair V3's mobility or let him use his tail, the Visser could use his own tail to destroy an mass of half morphed Andalite
I am hoping that Visser 3 would be held frozen by surprise long enough for Ax to use his tail.
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I know the series had a hope theme, but 20 seconds is a long time to be frozen in shock
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What happens if some Hork Bajir controllers see Ax demorphing and slice and dice him? Plan failed.
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But it takes minutes to complete an morph, not seconds. Even if it only took like 20 seconds, before he could get to a size that would impair V3's mobility or let him use his tail, the Visser could use his own tail to destroy an mass of half morphed Andalite
New plan: Demorph on Visser 3's HEAD!
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:facepalm:
Exact.
Same.
Problems.
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What happens if some Hork Bajir controllers see Ax demorphing and slice and dice him? Plan failed.
They would have to risk slicing Visser 3 (since my demorphing Ax is on Visser 3's back).
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But it takes minutes to complete an morph, not seconds. Even if it only took like 20 seconds, before he could get to a size that would impair V3's mobility or let him use his tail, the Visser could use his own tail to destroy an mass of half morphed Andalite
New plan: Demorph on Visser 3's HEAD!
That would be harder :nonono:
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But it takes minutes to complete an morph, not seconds. Even if it only took like 20 seconds, before he could get to a size that would impair V3's mobility or let him use his tail, the Visser could use his own tail to destroy an mass of half morphed Andalite
New plan: Demorph on Visser 3's HEAD!
That would be harder :nonono:
Harder for Ax to do or harder for Visser 3 to survive?
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But it takes minutes to complete an morph, not seconds. Even if it only took like 20 seconds, before he could get to a size that would impair V3's mobility or let him use his tail, the Visser could use his own tail to destroy an mass of half morphed Andalite
New plan: Demorph on Visser 3's HEAD!
That would be harder :nonono:
Harder for Ax to do or harder for Visser 3 to survive?
It would be the same problems as listed before. Harder for Ax, how would he get on V3's head to begin with.
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But it takes minutes to complete an morph, not seconds. Even if it only took like 20 seconds, before he could get to a size that would impair V3's mobility or let him use his tail, the Visser could use his own tail to destroy an mass of half morphed Andalite
P 23 of "The Sacrifice", Book 52: Rachael takes only moments to morph a great horned owl. This gives me good reason to hope that Ax could demorph from insect to Andalite in moments and be able to decapitate Visser 3. Moreover, since by that time, Visser 3 (now Visser 1) knows about the true nature of the Animorphs, I can propose that the Animorphs ALL land on Visser 1 as small insects (such as fleas) and ALL demorph!
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Alternate plan: Get in Visser 3's ear as a flea, demorph just enough to explode his ear or even head, remorph to flea, and fly away. Rachael once got in Visser 3's ear and threatened to demorph (The Separation).
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Alternate plan: Get in Visser 3's ear as a flea, demorph just enough to explode his ear or even head, remorph to flea, and fly away. Rachael once got in Visser 3's ear and threatened to demorph (The Separation).
Yeah, but the reason she didn't, was because the process would have killed her, too. Sure, you could kill V3 that way, but it'd be a suicide mission.
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Alternate plan: Get in Visser 3's ear as a flea, demorph just enough to explode his ear or even head, remorph to flea, and fly away. Rachael once got in Visser 3's ear and threatened to demorph (The Separation).
Yeah, but the reason she didn't, was because the process would have killed her, too. Sure, you could kill V3 that way, but it'd be a suicide mission.
My idea is to demorph just enough to kill the Yeerk, then remorph and depart.
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Again, if that were a real possibility, I'm sure it would have been done.
Think about it this way. By demorphing, you'd be putting pressure on the inside of his ear, right? To exert enough pressure to kill him, even if you immediately remorph afterwards, you'd still have to put an equivalent amount of pressure on your own ENTIRE BODY.
Pressure on ear/inside of head versus pressure on entire body in vulnerable mid-morph? Yeah, no question, you'd die before he did.
Actually, thinking about it that way, he shouldn't even have been worried about Rachel demorphing inside his ear in #32. She'd have died probably before she even did enough damage to be lethal. Granted, V3 would then have had a half-morphed dead fly-creature very tightly lodged inside of his ear canal for possibly the rest of his life, and that can't be very comfortable. Not to mention his Yeerk wouldn't be able to get out through that ear anymore.
. . . Hmm. If two people worked together and both committed suicide in this fashion, they might be able to trap Esplin inside Alloran's head until the Yeerk starved. That'd kill him. Not terribly efficient, though. :XD:
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Again, if that were a real possibility, I'm sure it would have been done.
Think about it this way. By demorphing, you'd be putting pressure on the inside of his ear, right? To exert enough pressure to kill him, even if you immediately remorph afterwards, you'd still have to put an equivalent amount of pressure on your own ENTIRE BODY.
Pressure on ear/inside of head versus pressure on entire body in vulnerable mid-morph? Yeah, no question, you'd die before he did.
I have gotten the impression that Yeerks are fairly soft. Therefore, I would have Cassie (the best morpher) assume a small tough life form, then do a careful demorph in such a way as to exert maximum pressure on the Yeerk while minimizing pressure on her body.
Actually, thinking about it that way, he shouldn't even have been worried about Rachel demorphing inside his ear in #32. She'd have died probably before she even did enough damage to be lethal. Granted, V3 would then have had a half-morphed dead fly-creature very tightly lodged inside of his ear canal for possibly the rest of his life, and that can't be very comfortable. Not to mention his Yeerk wouldn't be able to get out through that ear anymore.
Wouldn't V3 be able to get rid of dead Rachael by morphing?
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I have gotten the impression that Yeerks are fairly soft. Therefore, I would have Cassie (the best morpher) assume a small tough life form, then do a careful demorph in such a way as to exert maximum pressure on the Yeerk while minimizing pressure on her body.
Er. I think that would actually increase V3's survival chances, and decrease Cassie's. Yeerks being so yielding, V3's body could just squish out of the way, whereas Cassie's tougher body could potentially shatter. You either bend, or you break. :P
I'd definitely have any potential tiny-assassins go after Alloran's body, rather than V3's Yeerk self, for that reason. The Yeerk would be too hard to kill at that scale, it'd be like trying to murder Jell-o.
I just thought of a slightly gross idea. It'd work best if Ax did it. Morph an insect of some kind, like you said. Something sturdy, maybe a flea. Sit at the top of a blade of grass in V3's feeding meadow. Wait until he steps on you and sucks you up one of his hooves (Ax mentions accidentally eating snails and worms, so we know that Andalites can accidentally ingest insect life while grazing). As soon as you're in his stomach, start demorphing, and as soon as your tail forms, slice your way outta there. :P
No idea what the inside of an Andalite digestive system is like, but the Animorphs have clawed their way out of being eaten by a lot of different things, and they usually manage to kill or at least mortally injure whatever the thing was that ate them. So that's probably your best bet.
Wouldn't V3 be able to get rid of dead Rachael by morphing?
Hmm. No idea. Either she'd be absorbed into his body (eww) or else it'd be a case like in #15 with the metal implants.
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The Yeerk would be too hard to kill at that scale, it'd be like trying to murder Jell-o.
Hehe, V3 auctally morphed killer jell-o in 48 The Return. :XD:
or else it'd be a case like in #15 with the metal implants.
Ewwwwww, A dead lump of Rachel stuck forever inside V3...
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I just thought of a slightly gross idea. It'd work best if Ax did it. Morph an insect of some kind, like you said. Something sturdy, maybe a flea. Sit at the top of a blade of grass in V3's feeding meadow. Wait until he steps on you and sucks you up one of his hooves (Ax mentions accidentally eating snails and worms, so we know that Andalites can accidentally ingest insect life while grazing). As soon as you're in his stomach, start demorphing, and as soon as your tail forms, slice your way outta there. :P
Visser 3 would just morph and demorph, injuries fixed. So much for that plan
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Visser 3 would just morph and demorph, injuries fixed. So much for that plan
If we're operating under the assumption that V3 could simply morph out of ANY kind or amount of injuries . . . why are we even discussing ways to kill him at all?
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I just thought of a slightly gross idea. It'd work best if Ax did it. Morph an insect of some kind, like you said. Something sturdy, maybe a flea. Sit at the top of a blade of grass in V3's feeding meadow. Wait until he steps on you and sucks you up one of his hooves (Ax mentions accidentally eating snails and worms, so we know that Andalites can accidentally ingest insect life while grazing). As soon as you're in his stomach, start demorphing, and as soon as your tail forms, slice your way outta there. :P
Visser 3 would just morph and demorph, injuries fixed. So much for that plan
I think that the hope is that Visser 3 would die before he could morph.
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Visser 3 would just morph and demorph, injuries fixed. So much for that plan
If we're operating under the assumption that V3 could simply morph out of ANY kind or amount of injuries . . . why are we even discussing ways to kill him at all?
Book 8: The Alien: Alloran (Visser 3's host) was unable to morph away the rattlesnake poison, or morph anything at all. I expect that being sliced open from the inside would be worse.
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Visser 3 would just morph and demorph, injuries fixed. So much for that plan
If we're operating under the assumption that V3 could simply morph out of ANY kind or amount of injuries . . . why are we even discussing ways to kill him at all?
Count all the times Animorphs survived near-death situations by morphing from broken body.
Why wouldn't the same apply to V3?
Obviously he could be killed i.e. by incapacitation, or other almost-instantaneous death
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I dunno, I tend to think that being sliced open from the inside would be a pretty near-instantaneous way to die. :P
But, hey, if that's the way you want to play it, how about this then?
Step 1: Morph mosquito
Step 2: Don't teleport through Z-space to Leera
Step 2: Fly straight into V3's nostril slits and down his windpipe (or whatever passes for a windpipe in Andalite physiology)
Step 3: Demorph (even if you aren't Ax who can inflict slashy-slashy with the tail and such, you're still going to be very lodged in V3's breathe-hole).
Step 4: . . . PROFIT!
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Visser 3 would just morph and demorph, injuries fixed. So much for that plan
If we're operating under the assumption that V3 could simply morph out of ANY kind or amount of injuries . . . why are we even discussing ways to kill him at all?
Count all the times Animorphs survived near-death situations by morphing from broken body.
Why wouldn't the same apply to V3?
In that case, why couldn't Alloran morph away the rattlesnake bite during "The Alien"? How waqs it that Elfangor was too weak to morph at the start of "The Invasion", yet was able to brief Jake et al about the Yeerks and give them morphing powers, and also fight Visser 3?
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I resisted the urge to keep extending pyramid. It was hard but I did it.
In that case, why couldn't Alloran morph away the rattlesnake bite during "The Alien"? How waqs it that Elfangor was too weak to morph at the start of "The Invasion", yet was able to brief Jake et al about the Yeerks and give them morphing powers, and also fight Visser 3?
Plot. If the same rules applied for everyone, it would have been completely different story from that point onward, assuming that they didn't recatch him.
Alternatively it could be that it just didn't cross his mind, or that he hadn't practiced with morphing out of injuries. Or that he wanted to focus on giving information to Animorphs.
Same thing with Elfangor.
Or, it could be that in both cases they were restricted by possible honour code, for example that they aren't allowed to morph out of massive injuries. Or he wanted to be living example of what Visser 3 is capable of(to give children better idea of what they would be fighting against).
edit: Not to mention that back in book 1, alot of the physics of morphing were still under construction. Remember the wound Tobias had? Imagine morphing away from body knowing, that if you want to avoid trapping yourself in morph, you have to go back to fatally injured body...