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Title: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Dylan on June 09, 2015, 10:12:09 PM
Hey, you should vote on this poll. Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Tim Bruening on June 09, 2015, 10:23:51 PM
Hey, you should vote on this poll. Which Animorph had the best battle morph?

Can I nominate Cassie: Hork-Bajir, Cape Buffalo.

IIRC, Tobia once morphed a Taxxon.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: NickDaGriff on June 09, 2015, 10:33:59 PM
I goofed.  I voted Jake because he probably had the best morph for one-on-one fights.  Then I remembered that Tobias was absolutely vital for recon and intelligence-gathering in and out of combat, as well as blinding unsuspecting enemy marksmen.  Plus, he had a hork-bajir morph for brawling.  Dang it, can I change my vote?
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: DinosaurNothlit on June 09, 2015, 10:48:14 PM
Hey, if you're doing secondary battle morphs, don't forget Jake's rhino.  I've often thought that, if I ever picked a battle morph for myself, rhino is probably what it'd be.  Near-impervious hide, bad vision (which is, oddly enough, a perk, at least if you're a coward like me, but of course none of the Animorphs are), and ability to inflict serious damage just by swinging your head around?  Sold.

Also, I might be wrong, but didn't Tobias use Hork-bajir as his battle morph more often than Andalite?  I only recall him morphing Andalite in battle once, and Hork-bajir a couple times.

All-in-all, though, I gotta vote Rachel on this one.  For her primary AND her secondary battle morphs.  She could kick butt on any of the other Animorphs, either way.  (That is, assuming the question is asking about brute strength.  Strength isn't always the 'best' strategy.  I think that was kinda the point of how the Animorphs operated, and why they all chose different battle morphs.  There often wasn't a 'best' one for every situation, because they all worked best together, and played to their strengths while covering each others' weaknesses.)

Can you still add options to the poll?  Collette's crocodile, Timmy's bobcat, and Kelly's buffalo are at least worth a mention as awesome battle morphs.

 . . . Not to mention that random kid who decided to acquire a walrus.  LOL.  :XD:
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Tim Bruening on June 10, 2015, 08:16:33 AM
The Attack: Jake acquires a Howler morph.  Why doesn't he ever use that morph afterwards?  After all, the Howlers can disable any sentient beings by howling at them!  (Imaging Howler Jake howling at armies of Hork Bajir to incapacitate them!).
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Chad32 on June 10, 2015, 08:20:23 AM
In what fashion? A tiger or bear is a really good battle morph. A gorilla can more easily open doors, and work things designed for hands. He could also shoot a gun if it ever crossed his mind. Crocodiles are pretty badass, regardless of which direction you come at it from. A cape buffalo is good for barreling through an enemy's front line. So are rhinos, but they have poor vision. Hork-Bajir are lean, mean, killing machines that blend in with the enemy.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: matthew on June 10, 2015, 09:40:05 AM
The Attack: Jake acquires a Howler morph.  Why doesn't he ever use that morph afterwards?  After all, the Howlers can disable any sentient beings by howling at them!  (Imaging Howler Jake howling at armies of Hork Bajir to incapacitate them!).

That would carry a huge risk for friendly fire though. 
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: DinosaurNothlit on June 10, 2015, 09:44:30 AM
The Attack: Jake acquires a Howler morph.  Why doesn't he ever use that morph afterwards?  After all, the Howlers can disable any sentient beings by howling at them!  (Imaging Howler Jake howling at armies of Hork Bajir to incapacitate them!).

I think Jake still felt guilty over the situation that led to acquiring that Howler: the whole laughing-as-it-plummeted-to-its-death-and-then-finding-out-it-was-just-a-child thing.  Keep in mind that the Animorphs were just kids, too, and sometimes they made bad tactical decisions for emotional reasons.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Chad32 on June 10, 2015, 10:57:48 AM
A Howler would make a great battle morph, even without the howl. Even if the others didn't have the morph, different animals would be less effected by the howl itsself. Then there are the times Jake could go somewhere solo, like on the Blade Ship in the final battle.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Tim Bruening on June 10, 2015, 01:42:12 PM
The Attack: Jake acquires a Howler morph.  Why doesn't he ever use that morph afterwards?  After all, the Howlers can disable any sentient beings by howling at them!  (Imaging Howler Jake howling at armies of Hork Bajir to incapacitate them!).

I think Jake still felt guilty over the situation that led to acquiring that Howler: the whole laughing-as-it-plummeted-to-its-death-and-then-finding-out-it-was-just-a-child thing.  Keep in mind that the Animorphs were just kids, too, and sometimes they made bad tactical decisions for emotional reasons.

Such as Cassie's utterly stunning decision to allow Tom to escape with the morphing cube late in the series?
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: DinosaurNothlit on June 10, 2015, 02:16:46 PM
Then there are the times Jake could go somewhere solo, like on the Blade Ship in the final battle.

Holy crap, that is brilliant.  Man, I bet Jake wishes he'd thought of that.  :-\

Such as Cassie's utterly stunning decision to allow Tom to escape with the morphing cube late in the series?

Exactly.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: NothingFromSomething on June 11, 2015, 03:15:37 AM
Jake's & Rachel's are definitely the most potent in a fight.  Always seemed weird to me Cassie stayed with the wolf, seems like a Hork-Bajir wouldn't have too much trouble taking that down.

But yeah, Tobias and Ax too, in different more varied ways.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Chad32 on June 11, 2015, 08:57:24 AM
I do find it odd that Cassie picked a battle morph that required her to rip out her enemy's throat in order to be effective in battle. Though the truth of it is that she's the one  who specifically never went out to acquire an animal to fight with. She has a wolf because everyone else was acquiring wolves for a mission. She doesn't use Hork-Bajir because she has problems morphign sentient creatures. It's kind of ironic, I think, that her best means of fighting requires her to kill her enemy. She could have been a gorilla, punching people in the face. Or maybe a buffalo that just knocls enemies out of the way. She wouldn't have nearly as high a kill count if she had a different battle morph.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Tim Bruening on June 11, 2015, 12:49:31 PM
Always seemed weird to me Cassie stayed with the wolf, seems like a Hork-Bajir wouldn't have too much trouble taking that down.
Me too, Cassie's battle morphs aways seemed weaker than everyone elses. It's sad, she had some cool things (Buffalo, Kangaroo, Elephant, Anteater, Leeran, and Polar Bear), but she forgot about all of them.

Cassie can do a whale!
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Chad32 on June 11, 2015, 01:03:59 PM
She has dropped a whale on the enemy a few times. That was kind of cool. Except unless she's falling into a large body of water, she's defenseless afterwards.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Tim Bruening on June 11, 2015, 05:56:35 PM
Always seemed weird to me Cassie stayed with the wolf, seems like a Hork-Bajir wouldn't have too much trouble taking that down.
Me too, Cassie's battle morphs aways seemed weaker than everyone elses. It's sad, she had some cool things (Buffalo, Kangaroo, Elephant, Anteater, Leeran, and Polar Bear), but she forgot about all of them.

After Book 18, why didn't the Animorphs use the telepathic Leeran morph to scan for Controllers, and/or scan for people who could be trusted with morphing powers?
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Chad32 on June 11, 2015, 06:00:10 PM
For the same reason Jake never used his Howler morph again, and no one ever busted out the T-Rexes after the second Megamorphs. They're not allowed to use the incredibly useful morphs they get from these off world/alternate reality/ whatever adventures they go on.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Tim Bruening on June 11, 2015, 06:14:44 PM
For the same reason Jake never used his Howler morph again, and no one ever busted out the T-Rexes after the second Megamorphs. They're not allowed to use the incredibly useful morphs they get from these off world/alternate reality/ whatever adventures they go on.

Where in "The Attack" is it stated that the Elimist/Crayark won't allow Jake to use the Howler morph again?  Aftermath of Megamorph #2:  The Animorphs didn't seem to know why they couldn't use the dinosaur morphs again, so hadn't been specifically told no by any superbeings.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: NickDaGriff on June 11, 2015, 06:37:21 PM
I heard a theory somewhere, (not sure where, coulda been CinnamonBunzuh or Poparena) that Jake never morphed Howler again because that would open him up to the memory network again, which could potentially mean being instantly deleted or possessed by Crayak within the rules of the cosmic game.  Would you really want to expose your consciousness to direct contact with an incredibly powerful and evil extradimensional being?  It is something Jake had nightmares about for months, maybe a year before #26 rolled around, so you can understand how he'd be kind of uncomfortable about getting close to that subject.

They never used the dino morphs because those were acquired during a sario rip, which is apparently a sort of time loop that resets everything in the universe except for your brain.  Remember, Jake had a jaguar from #11, but he found out he couldn't morph it again at the end of the book because Jake ended up preventing the loop from happening, which meant that he never actually acquired it.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Chad32 on June 11, 2015, 06:45:46 PM
He prevented the time loop from happening in 11, but they actually fulfilled the extinction of the dinosaurs in Megamorphs. That's a bit different.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Tim Bruening on June 11, 2015, 08:36:26 PM
I heard a theory somewhere, (not sure where, coulda been CinnamonBunzuh or Poparena) that Jake never morphed Howler again because that would open him up to the memory network again, which could potentially mean being instantly deleted or possessed by Crayak within the rules of the cosmic game.  Would you really want to expose your consciousness to direct contact with an incredibly powerful and evil extradimensional being?  It is something Jake had nightmares about for months, maybe a year before #26 rolled around, so you can understand how he'd be kind of uncomfortable about getting close to that subject.

They never used the dino morphs because those were acquired during a sario rip, which is apparently a sort of time loop that resets everything in the universe except for your brain.  Remember, Jake had a jaguar from #11, but he found out he couldn't morph it again at the end of the book because Jake ended up preventing the loop from happening, which meant that he never actually acquired it.

The above doesn't answer why the Animorphs never used the Leeran morphs again.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: DinosaurNothlit on June 11, 2015, 08:43:49 PM
It's possible that, like the jaguar and dinosaur morphs, they never actually acquired those Leerans.  Keep in mind that all that was happening to the morph-masses extruded from their mosquito morphs, apparently during an instant in time from the perspective of their actual selves, since no time appeared to pass during the whole incident.  So, who knows?
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: NickDaGriff on June 11, 2015, 09:12:36 PM
He prevented the time loop from happening in 11, but they actually fulfilled the extinction of the dinosaurs in Megamorphs. That's a bit different.

Yeah, but MM2 threw a bunch of the universe's established rules out the window just because they could.  Point is, it was called a sario rip, so it hit the reset button for everything but their consciousnesses.  We can't really take that book as full canon because there are just too many plot holes.

It's possible that, like the jaguar and dinosaur morphs, they never actually acquired those Leerans.  Keep in mind that all that was happening to the morph-masses extruded from their mosquito morphs, apparently during an instant in time from the perspective of their actual selves, since no time appeared to pass during the whole incident.  So, who knows?

Oh god, I hope not.  That would kill my fanfic dead.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Tim Bruening on June 11, 2015, 10:20:22 PM
It's possible that, like the jaguar and dinosaur morphs, they never actually acquired those Leerans.  Keep in mind that all that was happening to the morph-masses extruded from their mosquito morphs, apparently during an instant in time from the perspective of their actual selves, since no time appeared to pass during the whole incident.  So, who knows?

Book 18: The Decision:  The Animorphs get taken to Leera, where they play a crucial role in implementing the Andalite plan to blow up the main continent so as to wipe out lots of Yeerks.  The bombs had failed to explode, so the Animorphs had to proceed to the detonator to arm it so that the Andalites could activate it.  The Animorphs have to fight their way to the detonator, as they disappear one by one.  Ax is the last one standing.  He arms the detonator and directs the Andalites to detonate it.  Just before the bombs explode and a Hork-Bajir shoots Ax, he gets snapped back to Earth several days earlier.  If the Animorphs were never actually there, then the main continent does not get blown up, and the Yeerks win!  I therefore assumed that this episode actually happened, so the Animorphs who acquired Leerans should still have those morphs!
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: NickDaGriff on June 12, 2015, 05:07:40 AM
It's not so much a question of whether or not it happened (because it definitely did), it's a question of whether it works on the vague sario rip rules.
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Quaf on June 29, 2015, 03:51:21 AM
haha who was the other person who voted for walrus dude?
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Snakie on June 29, 2015, 01:55:00 PM
Answer's gotta be Rachel.  That Bear got the Animorphs out of tight spots from the very first time she ever even used it.  Definitely the most powerful and durable of the primary battle morphs, the only limitation I can recall being stated was its poor eyesight.

And the Elephant, though it didn't get much use post-#7 The Stranger, was pretty awesome and iconic too.

I'd have seriously considered the Tiger if he hadn't gotten crushed by a relatively inexperienced David in lion morph.  Tigers were my favorite animal growing up, and I remember that being one of the most disappointing moments of the series for me.

Not sure elephants and rhinos should even be mentioned, though.  Doesn't everyone have one of those since #22 The Solution when they use them to break up the world leaders meeting?  It would be like mentioning polar bears.

Speaking of those, anyone else annoyed that Cassie and Tobias usually stuck with their wolf and hawk morphs despite acquiring polar bears and other more powerful animals?
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: Tim Bruening on June 29, 2015, 02:02:22 PM
But what about Cassie's Cape Buffalo (The Hidden)?
Title: Re: Which Animorph had the best battle morph?
Post by: pallosalama on June 29, 2015, 08:55:00 PM
[unnecessarily long explanation about what happened in the book]

It isn't question of whether it happened or not, but more of did they acquire the morphs permanently.
Most likely they didn't, because of the "doubling" through zerospace. And also they were in morph during all those Leeran incidents.
Interesting thought, morphing while in morph...