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Offline Chad32

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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2009, 11:25:44 AM »
Don't laugh at me! :-[ *runs away*

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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2009, 06:19:51 PM »
The war had changed both of them, and those changes caused them to grow closer together. Without the war, I think they would have been friends, but nothing more. Jake would still have saved Tobias from the guys giving him swirlies and he would have walked with the rest of the group through the construction site. They would have a connection, but nothing intimate.
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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #47 on: January 04, 2009, 08:28:34 PM »
but dont forget back in book 1 rachel is already obviously starting to like him, even b4 he became a hawk
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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #48 on: January 04, 2009, 10:23:48 PM »
but WHY?!
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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2009, 01:01:36 AM »
Quote from: Azguard on January 04, 2009, 10:23:48 PM
but WHY?!

Exactly, Rachel is a strong, confident, and kinda mean girl.  Shes not the type to be like, oooh look how sad and pathetic he is, let me fix up his life.

She liked him more as he became a hawk because he got stronger, so she had that to admire most of all, so she could go ahead and feel bad for him.

See what I mean? I dont think she would have ever liked purely weak human Tobias.
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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2009, 01:20:20 AM »
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but WHY?!

I think she was simply friendly with Tobias before book 1, probably from having a few classes together. She starts to like him in book one because she notices how energized he is to have something to fight for, which is what she is feeling. So she defends him from Marco's harsh remarks, and he's grateful to her. Thus they bond.

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Seriously, who here is happy with MM4 Tobias?  He's very much not Tobias, just someone similar with the same name, an earlier, pathetic revision who dies a pathetic--but entirely in-character--death.

He's not a great role model there, but I have a ton of sympathy for him. The way his narration was written in MM4 really sounded to me like KA was indirectly writing about suicide.
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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2009, 03:52:33 AM »
in book 1 rachel specifically says she cares bout him. not even cassie said anything when he was getting down on himself. if any1 was gona say something like that just to make him feel better, it woulda been cassie. the fact that it was rachel clearly implies a feeling stronger than just sympathy or whatever, cuz thats just not her character
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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2009, 04:25:14 PM »
yeah, plus, i think didn't they just meet in book 1?
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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2009, 05:17:38 PM »
I think they always knew of each other (from the looks of things, everyone in their school knew of Rachel), but they just never interacted.
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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #54 on: January 06, 2009, 09:49:16 PM »
she would. remember what was in book 1? when marco started talking about the risk for what they're gonna do, that he didn't want his father lose. and rachel said to him that they have family to worry about, too. then tobias answered sadly, "no one gives a rat's rear bout me". and rachel answered, "i do".
isn't it a proof that rachel had a feeling for tobias before he trapped?
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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2009, 07:36:20 PM »
I'm still curious about how deep her feelings were at that time.

It didn't seem like it was a long time between Jake had saved him from the bullies and the incident at the construction site.
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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2009, 07:37:57 PM »
yeah, but when did those feelings arise?
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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2009, 01:53:33 PM »
I think this is the first flicker of affection between them, and it's probably what leads to Rachel's comment that she cares about him:

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"I tried to tell myself it was all a dream," Rachel said.
"Been there," I said.
For a while no one said anything. We all felt the same terrible feeling - like we were all
alone.
Like suddenly we were dealing with stuff that was way, way, way over our heads.
Marco spoke first. "Look, why do we have to deal with this? I say we just forget it. We never
talk about it. We never morph. We just deal with our own lives."
Tobias and Rachel both looked at me. They were waiting for me to argue with Marco.

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"What do you say, Jake?" Cassie asked.
"Me?" I shrugged. "I don't know. Marco's right, we could all get killed. Rachel's right, this is
too major for a bunch of kids." I hesitated. I didn't like what I was about to say. "But Tobias
is right, too. I mean, the whole world is in danger. And we can't trust anyone."
"So, what do we do?" Rachel demanded.
"Hey, it's not up to me to decide," I said hotly.
"Let's take a vote," Rachel said.
"I vote we try to live long enough to get driver's licenses," Marco said.
"I vote we do what the Andalite said - fight," Tobias said.
"You've never even been in a fight," Marco sneered. "You can't handle the punks at school.
Suddenly now you want to kick butt on that Visser Three freakazoid?"
Tobias said nothing, but a blush spread up his neck.
"I vote with Tobias," Rachel said, giving Marco a dirty look. "I wish we could dump all this
on someone else. But we can't."
"Let's think it over for a while," Cassie said. "This is a big decision. I mean, it's not like we're
deciding whether to wear jeans or a skirt."
I was relieved. Thank goodness for Cassie.
"Yeah, let's wait for a while," I agreed. "In the meantime, no one say anything to anyone. We
just go back to normal life."
There was a smirk on Marco's face. He thought he'd won. But I wasn't so sure. Tobias was
still blushing. He sent a secret, grateful look to Rachel.
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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #58 on: January 08, 2009, 10:48:18 PM »
yes i def agree with the quote!
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Re: Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?
« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2009, 11:07:33 PM »
true that.

 thinking about it from our point of view, rachel is this girl that could be model status. in my opinion, model girls don't go for wimpy crap like tobias. then again, rachel isn't your avrage day girl.
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