Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Yorick Brown on August 29, 2008, 09:34:29 PM
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PLEASE don't lock this thread or anything! I've added ALOT of things that people here should consider on a second go-around. Just read this post first and then decided to do what you will with it.
1) A 30-minute animated TV series for kids by Bruce W. Timm or Paul Dini or Dwayne McDuffie playing on Saturday mornings on the CW or Cartoon Network.
Amber Heard as the voice of Rachel, Aaron Ashmore as the voice of Jake, Jessica Szohr as the voice of Cassie, Victor Rasuk as the voice of Marco, Dustin Milligan as the voice of Tobias, Jacob Zachar as the voice of Ax, James Lafferty as the voice of Tom, Hugo Weaving as the voice of Visser Three and Tony Goldwyn as the voice of Principal Chapman.
2) A much darker and teen-oriented prime-time TV series for the CW. Here, the gang is 14 or 16 rather than 13.
It's 4 seasons long tops. 45 minutes long for each 18 episodes of each of the maximum 4 seasons. Very big budget for this limited series because of expensive f/x. Like around 50 mil+ a season. ((IF there's a season 5, it will be set 4 years after the events of the last season. Here in this spin-off in the vein of "Star Trek," Jake is captain of a ship called the Star Wolf as part of a starfleet from the new Andalite-Human alliance that patrols the galaxy stopping evil Yeerk factions and other terrors of the galaxy).
Each season is either freshman then sophomore year and so on with the Animorphs at age 14 or (like "One Tree Hill"), the seasons are the first and second halves of the Animorphs junior and senior year. The Animorphs are 16 at the beginning if that's the case. (I prefer the former).
Like "Lost," each 18-episode season plays straight with NO REPEATS beginning in January and ending in April/May.
Adapts all the regular books and the megamorphs books with original stories filling in the rest of the episodes in the four seasons. Brian Henson directs the two-part pilot which is an adaptation of "The Invasion." (Actually, I want the Jim Henson Company and their puppets to back this show after seeing their great work on the brilliant TV space opera "Farscape" and the film "Labyrinth.")
The Hork-Bajir are puppets/CGI, the animals are trained/CGI, the Taxxons are CGI, the Leerans are CGI, the Andalites are puppets/people in make-up and costume, the Chee are CGI/puppets, the Helmacrons are people in make-up and costume, the Nartecs are people in make-up and costume, the Drode is a puppet, the Nesk are CGI, the Mercora are puppets, the dinosaurs are puppets/CGI, the Veleek is CGI, the Venber are puppets/CGI, the Iskoort are puppets, the Yeerks are played by real-life leeches and slugs.
All the Chronicles EXCEPT "The Ellimist Chronicles" are adapted as straight-to-DVD live action movies by Brian Henson. There will also be a film called "The Pemalite Chronicles" where we see Erek King's as narrated to Marco from creation by the peaceful Pemalites to living among humans for thousands of years. Also on the film's DVD, there'll be a bonus animated 30-minute+ short called "The Taxxon Chronicles" where we learn what happened with Arbron in between "The Andalite Chronicles" and "The Answer." There will be plenty of references to the past of these characters in the TV series so know one HAS to see these films to understand what's going on in the show. (In the episode guide at the bottom of this post, I'll post after which season one of these movies should be released).
The theme song is "Hemorrhage (In My Hands)" by Fuel. "What I've Done" by Linkin Park plays at the end of the pilot. "Breathe Me" by Sia plays at the end of the series finale. "You're all I have" by Snow Patrol plays at the beginning of the third episode while the gang is having fun flying. "It Ends Tonight" by All American Rejects and "Savin' Me" by Nickelback and "Don't Panic" by Coldplay and "From Yesterday" by 30 Seconds to Mars and "Fine Again" by Seether and "Have you passed through this Night" by Explosions in the Sky are featured on the soundtrack.
It's set in Seattle, Washington rather than Northern California but the location will only be alluded to rather than outright revealed until the final episode.
Marco is 100% Hispanic rather than only 50% Hispanic from his mother's side. Eva, his mother, dies in "The Revelation."
The Andalite homeworld is actually given a name rather than being unlikely referred to as 'the Andalite honeworld.' The planet is called 'Andal' now.
Hugo Weaving as the voice of Visser Three. Tony Goldwyn plays Principal Chapman.
Like the original TV series, you can morph clothes and shoes just fine. The rest of the rules still apply though ie. the two-hour time limit, can't morph from one to the next, etc.
Kind of pointless, but each episode is titled "The [something]" like the books-with the exception of the Megamorph adaptations of course.
An animorph narrates each episode but only a brief voice-over at the beginning (starting with 'My name is [insert name]') and ending of each episode ala "The Twilight Zone."
The Ellimist no longer has that covoluted origin story of before. "As I said above, "The Ellimist Chronicles" will NOT be adapted into a film and his origins won't exist in this TV universe at all. The Ellimist will simply be a benevolent member of a type 4 alien species called Ellmists (like the Q of "Star Trek"). Same for Crayak. The Ellimist wants to preserve life and promote peace and unity across the stars while Crayak seeks to punish and enslave and spread fear and misery and cruelty throughout. (Go here to learn more about type I, II, III, IV civilizations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_Scale).
Actually, I'm going to seriously downplay the two super aliens' effect influence on the Animorphs' lives. For example, in "Back to Before," there's not gonna be any of this 'stacking the deck' crap and 'subtemporarily grounded' nonsense and it'll just be a glimpse that the Ellimist shows a weary Jake, ready to quit, how important his role in the fight was.
While I wouldn't say get rid of the Tobias being Elfangor's father subplot, definitely clean up some of the messy time paradoxes that Applegate left with this matter.
Ax goes to school with the Animorphs. Tobias returns to school after getting his powers back.
Unsure at what point in the series (maybe as early "The Conspiracy" or as late as "The Diversion" or somewhere in between), but Tom is freed from Yeerk control and turns fugitive. He becomes a part, and later the leader, of the underground resistance made up of former controllers and people personally affected by controllers from "The Stand" that try to sabotage the Yeerks and free controllers forcefully. Tom and the other fighters won't be aware the Andalite bandits are really a bunch of human kids till "The Diversion."
In "The Diversion," the Animorphs are still discovered but don't rescue their parents except for Tobias' mother Loren and Rachel's sister Jordan. They hide out with the resistance. The auxiliary Animorphs are chosen in "The Ultimate" but are mostly made up of resistance members than just all handicapped members. They also have compeltely different backgrounds The auxiliary Animorphs are resistance members James, Collette, Liam and Elena and handicapped members Tim and Kelly.
The Yeerks never get the morphing cube.
Tobias is intially stuck as a hawk like in the books but the Ellimist later gives him his morphing power back but does NOT have to live as a hawk and only morph into a human for two hours. It's just like he was when he first got his powers in the pilot. (You're obviously gonna have to rewrite "The Illusion" here.)
At the series finale, Applegate's pessimistic ending is gone and Rachel (who was never sent on an assassination mission) and Tom (who has long since been freed) live. There's a final showdown between Ax and Visser Three where Ax wins, despite his size, because of his experience fighting as an Andalite in battle unlike Visser Three who always uses monstrous morphs. There's no cliffhanger ending. Many resistance members are dead but are still okay. We don't watch the Animorphs 3 years later but end the series with them on Earth, ready to reunite with their families. (Maybe there are some brief TV news reports of a Hork-Bajir colony preserve and the Taxxon nothlits sent to South America and the surviving Yeerk Peace Movement members given horse and dolphin morphs and a variety of other animal morphs to become nothlits of).
Here are all the episodes (the names in the parenthesis are who narrates each episode):
Season 1
01) The Invasion I (Jake)
02) The Invasion II (Jake)
03) The Visitor (Rachel)
04) The Encounter (Tobias)
05) The Message (Cassie)
06) The Predator (Marco)
07) The Capture (Jake)
08) The Stranger (Rachel)
09) The Alien (Ax)
10) The Survivor (Jake-based on an episode from the original TV series, the Animorphs try to protect their teacher and former controller from re-infestation)
11) The Lost (Tobias-based on an episode from the original TV series, Ax and Tobias reminisce about their experiences living among humans and life before the Animorphs respectively)
12) The Secret (Cassie)
13) The Android (Marco)
14) The Forgotten (Jake)
15) The Reaction (Rachel)
16) The Change (Tobias)
17) The Andalite's Gift I (None)
18) The Andalite's Gift II (None)
(Despite the fact that I want the two-part episode "The Andalite's Gift" the season 1 finale, it's set BEFORE the events of "The Change.")
-The Andalite Chronicles
Season 2
19) The Warning (Jake)
20) The Underground (Rachel)
21) The Missing (Tobias-based on an episode in the original TV series, the Animorphs try to stop an innocent civilian from sending a tape of Marco demorphing to a TV show)
22) The Unknown (Cassie)
23) The Escape (Marco)
24) The Decision (Ax)
25) The Departure (Cassie)
26) In the Time of Dinosaurs I (None)
27) In the Time of Dinosaurs II (None)
28) In the Time of Dinosaurs III (None)
29) The Discovery (Marco)
30) The Threat (Jake)
31) The Solution (Rachel)
32) The Pretender (Tobias)
33) The Suspicion (Cassie)
34) The Extreme (Marco)
35) The Front (Ax-based on an episode in the original TV series, Ax discovers that, at his new job, cell phones are being used to infest customers with Yeerks)
36) The Attack (Jake)
-The Hork-Bajir Chronicles
Season 3
37) Elfangor's Secret I (None)
38) Elfangor's Secret II (None)
39) Elfangor's Secret III (None)
40) The Exposed (Rachel)
41) The Experiment (Ax)
42) The Sickness (Cassie)
43) The Reunion (Marco)
44) The Conspiracy (Jake)
45) The Separation (Rachel)
46) The Illusion (Tobias)
47) The Prophecy (Cassie)
48) The Other (Marco)
49) The Mutation (Jake)
50) The Weakness (Rachel)
51) The Stand (Tobias-based on an episode in the original TV series, Tobias stumbles upon an underground resistance movement of former controllers led by the former teacher the Animorphs saved from re-infestation earlier)
52) The Hidden (Cassie)
53) The Proposal (Marco)
54) The Arrival (Ax)
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Season 4
55) The Familiar (Jake)
56) The Journey (Rachel)
57) The Test (Tobias)
58) The Unexpected (Cassie)
59) The Revelation (Marco)
60) The Deception (Ax)
61) The Resistance (Jake)
62) The Return (Rachel)
63) Back to Before I (None)
64) Back to Before II (None)
65) The Leader (Ax-comic story where the Animorphs are misplaced in Africa and then are mistaken for gods by a local tribe)
66) The Problem (Rachel-Rachel tries to prevent her younger and very rebellious sister Jordan from joining The Sharing)
67) The Diversion (Tobias)
68) The Ultimate (Cassie)
69) The Absolute (Marco)
70) The Sacrifice (Ax)
71) The Answer (Jake)
72) The Beginning (None)
-The Pemalite Chronicles (w/The Taxxon Chronicles animated short)
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My thoughts:
Saturday cartoons seem to be shorter lived these days...it just doesn't seem like the right platform...
Are you shooting for teen drama? The average teens doesn't like to think too much. You should probably be shooting for the same basic audience that lost has (YES I THINK THIS CONCEPT COULD BE SOLD TO AN OLDER CROWD - if it's done right)
Chronicles could be confusing - may want to slip relevant bits into the series as it progresses rather than separate shows (or as extras on DVD)
LOVE the soundtrack choices. Right on.
Have to make sure Seattle is comparable to the big landmarks in the books...(Gardens, nature preserve, etc) - could just take poetic license though
Freeing tom will anger some traditional fans (not me)
Same deal with many of the changes but I say go for it. Tobias as a hawk though is kinda trademark of the series.
Yeerks never getting the morphing cube - awesome - hated the idea in the first place - would simplify things
Ax vs. Visser 3 seems cliched - "all is well" ending not good - if series is to be dark (which it probably should be to appeal to an older audience) you have to stay with it - also, don't destroy the idea that was has costs - an "all is well" ending will cheapen the entire series and make it forgettable
Otherwise it looks great. Some of your ideas are awesome. You'd need careful advertising though.
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Personally, I don't like some of the ideas.
What you use for the aliens, the songs you use, that stuff I don't care what you choose (and no it's not because I don't understand it)
The plot ideas however, I'd say major plots in the series (like Tobias and getting his morphing power back) should be the same. Tobias should remain a hawk with the power to morph. The Ellimist and Crayak should remain the same too. And Rachel and Tom die at the end.
the megamorphs, I think should be in the same order as the books, as in The Andalite's Gift should be after The stranger, but before The Alien
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Chronicles could be confusing - may want to slip relevant bits into the series as it progresses rather than separate shows (or as extras on DVD)
I did write:
There will be plenty of references to the past of these characters in the TV series so know one HAS to see these films to understand what's going on in the show.
Information derived from "The Pretender" and "The Prophecy" and "The Revelation" and "The Android" is sufficient enough details in the series that you won't get lost.
The Chronicles are mostly there to fill in any gaps and be a treat to fans. Like the Star Wars prequels.
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Ah ok. I didn't get that for some reason. Makes more sense then.
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You can't make a cartoon on network TV anywhere near as dark as it needs to be.
Moving on.
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Animorphs wasn't THAT dark.
What do you think of the live action adaptation idea?
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I honestly don't care, as long as it can follow the story more or less.
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Animorphs wasn't THAT dark.
Yeah, but I think you'd have to make it darker for it to have any real impact on the wider market. Sure, we all love it as it is but the trend has been towards dark realism.
I honestly don't care, as long as it can follow the story more or less.
There would undoubtedly need to be some changes but i agree. Most of the very basic underlying themes would need to be kept.
What do you think of the live action adaptation idea?
Better than a cartoon but undoubtedly expensive
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PLEASE don't lock this thread or anything! I've added ALOT of things that people here should consider on a second go-around. Just read this post first and then decided to do what you will with it.
I just want to say first that while I'd still see it because I'm such a big fan, I'd hate a movie rather than a TV series (like the one I've mapped out in this thread: http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,940.0.html (http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,940.0.html) because there's just too many stories to tell with too many details and it'd be ridiculous making many, many sequels. Now I continue.
It's a film trilogy unlike "The Lord of the Rings" where each movie was really just a big piece of the same story without an individual premise. Think "Scream" and "Spider-Man" where each film has it's own separate story featuring the same characters in another adventure.
Changes:
-Tobias is not trapped in a morph
-Marco's mother is actually dead and not Visser One
-The Andalite Chronicles never happened; Tobias' father is not Elfangor and he was orphaned at a young age when his parents died in a car accident
-The Yeerk menace isn't the result of the Andalites' folly
-The Animorphs can morph clothes and shoes just fine
-No Erek King and the Chee
-No Crayak and his servant, the Drode
-No Leerans
-No Helmacrons
-No Aftran and the Yeerk Peace Movement
-No traitorous David
-No Hork-Bajir Colony
Todd Holland directs, Drew Goddard writes.
Blake Lively plays Rachel and Dustin Milligan plays Tobias. Hugo Weaving as the voice of Visser Three and Tony Goldwyn as Principal Chapman.
1) Animorphs: The Invasion Begins (or Animorphs)
Combines the events of The Invasion and The Visitor.
Plot: 5 ordinary teenagers on their way home from the mall take a shortcut through an abandoned construction site. They notice a light in the sky and realize it's a spaceship. The spaceship lands and a mortally wounded centaur-like alien walks out. He informs them that Earth is being secretly invaded by slugs from another planet that take over your body. The Andalites, members of his race, are too busy fighting the alien slugs, called Yeerks, elsewhere so Earth is doomed unless the Yeerk menace is somehow stopped or slowed down enough till the calvary arrives. He trusts the teens with the ultimate weapon: the power to morph. To change into any animal they touch by absorbing their DNA.
The teens are granted this power and manage to escape the construction site where the dying alien was finished off by the malevolent leader of the Yeerk invasion of Earth and only Yeerk to infest an Andalite, Visser Three and his army of human slaves and terrifying bird-lizards.
The next day the Animorphs realize that last night was no dream and they're able to morph into animals. They dub themselves the Animorphs and decide to use this power to spy on high-ranking controllers and attack the underground Yeerk Pool complex under the guise of 'Andalite bandits.' They won't stop fighting till they stop the Yeerks.
(It may feel like an ambitious TV pilot (like this year's film "Jumper") more than anything else but this is the best bet.)
Scene Selections:
-At the Mall/The Players
-The Shortcut/The Light in the Sky
-The Dying Alien/The Invasion Warning
-The Power/The Blue Box
-Visser Three
-Jake's House/Jake morphs Homer
-Fun Flying
-Controller Tom
-The Sharing
-Distant Friend
-Rachel the Cat
-Spying on Chapman
-Sad Melissa
-Discovered Again
-The Construction Site
-Rachel Rescued
-Cassie's Barn
-Suspicious Policeman
-Tailing Principal Chapman
-The Gardens
-The Yeerk Pool
-Rachel's Letter
-'Until then, we fight'
2) Animorphs: Nowhere to Run (or Animorphs 2)
Combines the events of The Message and The Mutation.
Plot: Animorphs Cassie and Tobias are having strange dreams about the ocean and a voice crying for help. When they learn on the TV news about an artifact with Andalite writing that washed up on shore, the Animorphs decide to investigate their two members' dreams. They use dolphin morphs to explore the ocean for any clues that solves the mystery that links the strange dreams and the mysterious artifact.
After some death-defying adventures, they find Ax. Ax is a young Andalite and brother of the dying alien from the first film who was trapped for weeks in the remnants of a downed spaceship after a successful Yeerk sneak attack. Ax was the lone surviver and tried using his telepathic abilities to call for help from any fellow Andalites.
The Animorphs accept the alien youth into their group and try to reach the surface but not before battling the Yeerks who also heard Ax's message and brought a deadly submarine. They also have to deal with an ancient race of mutant fish people living on the ocean floor.
Scene Selections:
-The Dreams
-The News Reports
-To the Ocean
-The Shark Attack
-The Whale's Message
-Seagull Stowaways/Return to the Sea
-The Dome Ship
-Ax
-Yeerk Attack
-Whale Save the Day
-The Sea Blade
-The Cavern
-The Nartecs
-Queen Soco
-Operating Room
-Escape from Atlantis
-A New Animorph
3) Animorphs: The Legacy Survives (or Animorphs 3)
Combines the events of The Stranger and The Familiar.
Plot: After a deadly battle where they escape just by the skin of their teeth, the Animorphs are growing weary of this seemingly never-ending war.
Using ****roach morphs, the Animorphs sneak inside a the Yeerk Poll via an entrance at the local mall. There, a giant wormy alien attempts to eat the Animorphs but then time freezes.
The Ellimist appears. A highly evolved, near-omnipotent being that can manipulate time and space. He offers the Animorphs a choice: stay fighting this war where they will eventually lose or come away to a planet where their friends and family and select humans and animals will live in peace without fear. The Animorphs decline but the Ellimist promises he will return to make give his offer once again. The Animorphs escape being an alien meal by using a drop shaft that they noticed when time froze.
After their near escape, the Ellimist returns to give them his offer once again but now he shows them a terrifying future 20 years later where the Yeerks have successfully invaded Earth. Humans are slaves, bred like cattle. The Earth is devoid of animal life. Marco and Rachel are dead and Tobias and Cassie are leaders of a small resistance group. The Animorphs join Cassie and Tobias in destroying a Yeerk Pool but are confronted by Visser Three in Ax's body and his lieutenant controlling Jake's body. The Animorphs are then sent back to the present, horrified with what they've seen.
They realize that that wasn't a future where the Animorphs KEPT fighting but a future if they STOPPED fighting. They also realize that the Ellimist was giving them hints. Hints how to escape the Yeerk Pool and where the location of the Kandrona is.
The Animorphs destroy the Kandrona starving all the Yeerks to death and Ax finally gets his vengeance on Visser Three who he defeats in battle at the ESG building.
Scene Selections:
-Close Call
-Weary Jake/Suspicious Tom
-Pool Entrance at Mall
-The Taxxon's Tongue
-Time Freezes
-The Ellimist
-The Proposition
-The Escape
-The Future
-The Resistance
-Jake the Controller/Destroying the Pool
-The Present
-The Classroom/ The Butterfly Effect
-The Revelation
-The ESG Building
-Visser Three
-The Kandrona
-The End
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The special effects just aren't up to what would be needed yet. Even if they were, the cost would be over the $300mil mark, which is virtually unheard of for non-established franchises.
Come back and ask the question after Avatar comes out. We don't know how much of the game that film is going to change just yet. But traditional CG isn't up to task.
It's just a lofty goal, to propose an Animorphs movie. There's no precedent for it, and the cost would likely outweigh the return.
It's just not a good idea.
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It's just a lofty goal, to propose an Animorphs movie. There's no precedent for it, and the cost would likely outweigh the return.
It's just not a good idea.
So true.. so true..
Oh and maybe thats the way YOU want the movies to go, doesn't mean everyone else does.
Why The Mutation? It's not a plot thats really needed for the movies.
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they should re-do the animorphs tv series or make a movie and make it based on the books how it is without leaving big stuff out. but to save money on CG and such MAKE IT A CARTOON!!!
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if there's no ellimist, why is the ellimist present in the third movie?
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why cant you discuss the tv series here too
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Animorphs wasn't THAT dark.
Oh? How many mainstream movies or TV shows have you seen that portray 13 year olds killing people?
That stuff just simply doesn't fly. If you get an Animorphs adaptation for either the big or small screens, it's going to be dumbed down and compromise. End of story.
It's an impossibility in this hippie PC environment of media regulation, and therefore it's best left to the reader's interpretation of the books, the kid visualizing the scenes as they read words off a page. You're never going to beat that with a movie anyway.
Look, the public and the action groups kicked up complaints about BATMAN PUNCHING DOGS. And you think they're going to tolerate middle-school kids turning into wolves and ripping people's jugulars out? Or aliens slicing a gorilla's stomach open so badly he has to hold his intestines in place?
No. Just no.
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why cant the movie and tv show be talked about in one thread
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The special effects just aren't up to what would be needed yet. Even if they were, the cost would be over the $300mil mark, which is virtually unheard of for non-established franchises.
I really don't think the f/x required would make this a King Kong-level budget. The first movie alone cvan be made with only 60+ mil.
Why The Mutation? It's not a plot thats really needed for the movies.
It's a filler book but a very cinematic story and also is set underwater
if there's no ellimist, why is the ellimist present in the third movie?
Dammit. I forgot to edit that part out. I will in a sec.
why cant you discuss the tv series here too
Because it's TOO long and is worthy of being spoken about separately.
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why cant the movie and tv show be talked about in one thread
'Cause they're too long.
Stop whining. This place is no IMDb and in no way busy enough for you to seriously care about multiple threads.
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OH MY GOD
You do realize that the networks control the way these things play out right? Is this thread b/c you're trying to actually bring this idea to life? Have you written any scripts, done any kind of promotion or idea pitching to a production company?
Im honestly not fond of the ideas you've proposed. But i really don't think that matters.
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This is a thread showing how I'd like to make a an TV adaptation as well as how I think a TV adaptation would be best be done. It's all for laughs. Chill out.
Im honestly not fond of the ideas you've proposed.
Anything you specifically have a problem with.
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I'm sorry, but this is really just a waste of time. Haven't you done this before?
I agree. I don't like these ideas. And you've included books that were irrelevant to the main story.
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Everything.
But like i said, it really doenst matter.
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I'm sorry, but this is really just a waste of time.
I disagree. This was sort of fun in a nostlagic kind of way.
Haven't you done this before?
Yes. Hence the word 'REDUX' in the title.
I agree. I don't like these ideas.[/quotes]
I think you mean you 'disagree.' What ideas don't you like?
And you've included books that were irrelevant to the main story.
I wanted each film to be a separate entity rather than a piece ofa greater whole. I also combined books that not only clicked well together without looking contrived but great adventures that the aiudience can enjoy.
You gotta admit, The Invasion (pivotal) and The Visitor (filler) go great together. So does both underwater adventures The Message (pivotal) and The Mutation (filler). And of course, the two post-apocalyptic future books The Stranger (pivotal) and The Familiar (filler).
Anything else just doesn't make any sense.
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I find it hard to believe that you hate everything. Care to explain yourself?
I don't care if you tear me in half by the way. I just want your honest opinion.
Let me decide what matters to me or not.
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explain again why the familiar wasn't filler...
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why would you not have tobias stuck in morph? thats changing a huge plot for no real reason other than you dont like it or something
and then you change the actual events and the ending of the series, completely changing the tone and message of the series, also for no reason
and modern cgi actually would be able to handle an animorphs movie and make it awesome, yea it would be up there as a serious big budget movie, but not undoable and not unjustifiable
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It IS filler! It was just a typo! Couldn't you see that?
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well it wasn't when I read that, so calm down
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why would you not have tobias stuck in morph? thats changing a huge plot for no real reason other than you dont like it or something
It's unnecessary for a film series. Tobias' capture and his dilemma detracts too much from the movies.
and then you change the actual events and the ending of the series, completely changing the tone and message of the series, also for no reason
It was the best way to end it. With the books, you had several books to build up to that conclusion. Too much to explain here with the auxiliary animorphs and the Chee and so on and so forth.
and modern cgi actually would be able to handle an animorphs movie and make it awesome, yea it would be up there as a serious big budget movie, but not undoable and not unjustifiable
There's no need for a big budget at all. It doesn't need 90-100 mil plus to make.
well it wasn't when I read that, so calm down
I won't calm down. You lack all common sense.
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Don't start this again, Yorick... >:(
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Oh and maybe thats the way YOU want the movies to go, doesn't mean everyone else does.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
There are some huge plot changes here that while they may attract some people we leave a lot of fans feeling neglected.
Of course it isn't reasonable to follow the books word for word, but why kill off so many of the most interesting aspects of the series?
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well it wasn't when I read that, so calm down
I won't calm down. You lack all common sense.
why is it that I read it as pivotal because you hadn't edited it yet, mean I lack common sense?
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thats all tobias' story, your basically taking tobias out of the movie and adding in some random blonde orphan
and you dont have to worry about how to end the series in a movie, it feels like ive said this a million times without anyone ever acknowledging it, but they will never ever make a movie that would end a successful franchise, or an unsuccessful franchise really, if someone figures out a way to make money off an animorphs movie, they wont make it a trilogy, they will milk it for as many movies they can until they stop making money, even if that means make 54 movies, they still wont make a movie about the end lol
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which really is almost perfect seeing as Animorphs didn't have a solid end ::)
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thats all tobias' story, your basically taking tobias out of the movie and adding in some random blonde orphan
Tobias was more than just a hawk. He was dreamer, a friend an ally through and through. We don't need him stuck as a hawk to see that.
And you're right that studios would typically squeeze a cash cow till it's completely dry but this is a thread showing how it SHOULD be done rather than how it WILL be done.
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thats all tobias' story, your basically taking tobias out of the movie and adding in some random blonde orphan
Tobias was more than just a hawk. He was dreamer, a friend an ally through and through. We don't need him stuck as a hawk to see that.
And you're right that studios would typically squeeze a cash cow till it's completely dry but this is a thread showing how it SHOULD be done rather than how it WILL be done.
well, its a thread of how you would like it to be done, alot of people wouldnt agree with you, you're changing too much
theres people that will chew your face off if tobias has brown hair and you want to leave how that hes a hawk
that being said, you have the right idea with the first two plots, except for the books you are adding to them the #1 and #4 would be good for movies one and two, and #2 might be a good idea to add to the first movie, but you dont actually say how it will be added so it would be interesting to see how you would combine them, and then #36 hell no, not only is it completely tacked on the way you want to do it, it is one of the worse books of the series
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Wow, you guys are ripping on Yorick pretty hard. What's wrong with discussing the impossibility of an Ani-TV series/movie? It's nice to dream, isn't it? :P
Anyhow, Yorick, I have issue with a couple of things. The two biggest being: Tobias regaining his human form and the new ending.
I agree with wotw. This is a show that COULD be directed at an older audience easily. If it was sold right. You would have to make the characters a bit older (16-17), and obviously you would sacrifice some of the original story. However, it could be done, I suppose.
I do think that at all costs you need to maintain the original structure of the story. This means all major plotlines are included: Invasion, Tobias' nothlitism, Marco's mom, Ax's obligation for revenge, the Chee, David, the entirety of the final arc: including the ending. In a darker series you do not have a fluffy ending. It doesn't fly with the rest of the book. Other aspects that I personally think are important to include:
Elfangor's backstory
The Yeerks getting the morphing cube
Tobias being tortured by Taylor
The fact that not all Andalites are good (a la several books)
The rivalry between V3 and V1
By changing the ending you're changing Applegates message. Which I personally believe is something you should NEVER do when adapting a book or book series.
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um, no actually the only ones ripping this up real bad is filmstu and xenomorph
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whatevah. None of my business anyhow. :)
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But Terenia...
But I kept the invasion (duh!), Ax's thirst for revenge, Marco's mom being Visser One (though she dies in the series), the Chee, David, the final arc (except the parents are also captured), Elfangor's back story, Tobias' torture by Taylor, the imperfect Andalite and the rivalry between vissers.
If I didn't comment on these plot points, then I'm fine with them.
What is Applegate's message? War is hell? I got the point all the time throughput the series. Another much more important message that a few can make a difference.
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If it was a TV series, I'd keep the hawk thing but for a movie series, it's just way too distracting.
I CLEARLY pointed out how they should be added. I put up a plot AND scene selections for each.
Why didn't you like The Mutation? How is tacked on too? They're both set underwater and they could end up in Atlantis in an attempt to esacpe from the Yeerks.
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But Terenia...
But I kept the invasion (duh!), Ax's thirst for revenge, Marco's mom being Visser One (though she dies in the series), the Chee, David, the final arc (except the parents are also captured), Elfangor's back story, Tobias' torture by Taylor, the imperfect Andalite and the rivalry between vissers.
Oh, I know you kept some of those in there. I was just noting them as important things to keep, not saying that you had taken them out. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
What is Applegate's message? War is hell? I got the point all the time throughput the series. Another much more important message that a few can make a difference.
Yes and no. War is hell is definitely one of the messages. But I think another message that is just as important is that war doesn't have a clean ending. She says herself something along the lines of "often the end of one war is simply a transition into a new war". In her letter to the fans she comments that she wanted people to know that you don't just high-five and go on with your life post-war. Some people die, some never recover, and some do move on. I think that's an important message.
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What do you think of those direct-to-DVD movies I planned out? No one's commented on the idea so far.
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actually a lot of fans didn't like the mutation. I didn't either. not hate, but not like eihter. If I recall correctly, it was because it was too "disney"... well basically it wasn't like animorphs. Me, I just don't see the point of having to morph killer whale, nor understand how it'd help.
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actually someone has.
Chronicles could be confusing - may want to slip relevant bits into the series as it progresses rather than separate shows (or as extras on DVD
and, I like the idea actually. in fact, if I was gonna do a tv series, I'd probably do the same thing with the chronicles.
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well your summaries only describe one of the books, for the first movie you dont even mention #2 and for the second movie the plot of #36 is added on as the last sentence lol and the scene list doesnt really tell much
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I didn't want to describe everything in the plot and I thought it was easy for any big Animorphs fan to understand the chain of events in the scene selections.
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I like the idea. Most of the chronicles wouldn't make sense thrown into the regular series. I also like the idea of the Chee Chronicles, giving their backstory.
I don't know if the Taxxon Chronicles short is necessary, though. The beginnings of their issues is covered in the Andalite Chronicles, and the in-series episode with Arbron could fill in the holes. Other than that, great. :)
And yeah, the Ellimist Chronicles really isn't necessary.
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Do you like 18 episodes per season? The uninterrupted season from January-April/May?
Do you like the selections for the season premieres and finales? What do you think of the few original episodes I inserted inti each season?
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they will milk it for as many movies they can until they stop making money, even if that means make 54 movies, they still wont make a movie about the end lol
AHAHAHAHA! LMAO! It's so true. But I wouldn't mind 54 animorphs movies...
thats all tobias' story, your basically taking tobias out of the movie and adding in some random blonde orphan
Tobias was more than just a hawk. He was dreamer, a friend an ally through and through. We don't need him stuck as a hawk to see that.
And you're right that studios would typically squeeze a cash cow till it's completely dry but this is a thread showing how it SHOULD be done rather than how it WILL be done.
well, its a thread of how you would like it to be done, alot of people wouldnt agree with you, you're changing too much
That's the point. To find out what the consensus opinion is so Yorick can possibly make changes. He needs a starting point and he chose what he thought would be best. It's our job to constructively tell him why he's wrong! Lol, jk
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yeah. 18 episodes is good. somewhere about 20 is good for seasons. whether interrupted or uninterrupted, I don't care
I don't think you should start season 3 with a megamorphs.
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There are some huge plot changes here that while they may attract some people we leave a lot of fans feeling neglected.
Of course it isn't reasonable to follow the books word for word, but why kill off so many of the most interesting aspects of the series?
But the thing is RYTX, I or even the greediest studio head can or would try to adapt all 54 books and 4 megamorphs.
And I barely even 'changed' anything. Just really Tobias and Marco's mom. I DELETED alot (David, Crayak, Helmacrons, Leerans, the Chee, etc.) but CHANGED? Not so much.
Here we learn about the invasion, how they got their powers, how the controllers destroy lives, meeting Ax, meeting the Ellimist, destroying the Kandrona with some time traveling and mutant fish people to boot. How can fans not be satisfied?
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I don't think you should start season 3 with a megamorphs.
Why?
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None of the original episodes seem like an obvious bad idea. Can't really say more without some more detail though.
18-22 is a good range.
uninterrupted if possible (Jan-May seems likely if it's somewhere in an 8-10 timeslot)
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I don't think you should start season 3 with a megamorphs.
Why?
well...the megamorphs are a long book so you split them into a trilogy. I just don't think you should start a season with a trilogy. I rather have a season end with a trilogy. But that's just my personal opinion.
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doesn't deleting something count as changing it?
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doesn't deleting something count as changing it?
Depends on your view of semantics...
In other words: yes and no.
It's a question of whether he is "changing something" or simply choosing not to address it (hope that's clear). So you could argue that by just not talking about something he isn't technically changing it.
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I don't think you should start season 3 with a megamorphs.
Why?
well...the megamorphs are a long book so you split them into a trilogy. I just don't think you should start a season with a trilogy. I rather have a season end with a trilogy. But that's just my personal opinion.
Actually now that you mention it, it could work. You "re-hook" the audience. Though by season 3 I would think they'd already be fairly hooked...
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While I would prefer a well done animated series (western or anime), I think a movie or a series of movies would be cool. Even so, I don't agree with your decision to take away crucial plot points and events. Tobias getting trapped in morph is essential to his story, character, everything.
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Maybe in the books and a full length TV series but not in movies where you only have a few films if more then one to tell the story.
Tobias' trap and all the hang-ups that come with it are too distracting for a plot-driven film. Character driven stories like The Encounter and The Alien and The Capture and The Departure just can't cut it.
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Maybe in the books and a full length TV series but not in movies where you only have a few films if more then one to tell the story.
Tobias' trap and all the hang-ups that come with it are too distracting for a plot-driven film. Character driven stories like The Encounter and The Alien and The Capture and The Departure just can't cut it.
I get what you're saying and on many levels it makes sense. However, tobias being a nothlit serves some important purposes in the storyline (a warning about the two hour limit, a physical representation of the risks they take every time they morph, etc). I suppose you could cut this out without crippling the series but then you might want to take the time limit out too. Thus Tobias never gets stuck which possibly eliminates the need for the ellimist at all...
Not saying I agree with that...just thinking out loud
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Tobias' trap and all the hang-ups that come with it are too distracting for a plot-driven film. Character driven stories like The Encounter and The Alien and The Capture and The Departure just can't cut it.
Therefore, bada-bing bada-boom, the movies shouldn't be made.
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Thank GOD this isn't real. THank GOD you're not and more than likely never will be in charge of the creation of an Animorph movie. I would honestly boycott.
I'm sorry dude, but ur ideas do no justice for the overall theme of the books. They limit the characters in unnecessary ways. And really, as I've noticed this solely based on the opinions you've express in this forum, everything you took out of the story was everything you hated in the story, not b/c it doesnt "fit". Lol. You hated the whole complexity issue of Animorphs. This movie would be your own personal movie and yours alone, without any acknowledgment for the fans. Tobias an orphan, not son of Elfangor? Marco not the son of Visser One? Let me guess, Ax wont even be Elfangor's brother? When you're adapting books to film format, there's always a way to make things fit. At the end of this first movie you've proposed, Tobias could easily get trapped in a morph. And it would underline the 2 hr limit warning. And yes, that would "fit." It isnt distracting if it comes at the END of the film. HINT HINT. The other two movies sound like a major flop for Disney.
Seriously, by taking away all that you have, its just not Animorphs anymore. Call it The Changelings, cause that book series idea didnt fly just like this idea wont fly. But oh well. Glad I remembered it isnt real.
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um, no actually the only ones ripping this up real bad is filmstu and xenomorph
I'm not ripping Yorrick. I just don't like his ideas. That's not a crime. He seems to be really eager to have his ideas liked by everyone, when nothing in his proposal sounds reasonable. As of right now, Animorphs on TV as live action isnt something I'd look forward to. Maybe 10-20 yrs from now when budget and technology and the special effects would be able to sustain such a massive series.
And I think Blake lively (very beautiful girl) will be about 10-20 yrs older when this thing is made. Too old to be Rachel :)
Id prefer animation for Animorphs. That would def. work at anytime. But his ideas would not work in animation either. He takes out and leaves him what pleases him
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I didn't say rip Yorrick up, I meant rip his idea up, which I think you are doing.
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Nothing wrong with ripping up bad ideas, if he can provide reasons why they're bad ideas. Which he pretty much has.
It doesn't seem to be personal, it's just like, hey, a crappy concept is a crappy concept.
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I didn't say it was a bad thing to do. I'm just saying the fact that he did.
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He seems to be really eager to have his ideas liked by everyone, when nothing in his proposal sounds reasonable.
My ideas don't have to be accepted but I would like a proper explanation as to WHY you don't like it. I don't like your idea and that's that' isn't good enough. I want debate and discord.
And I think Blake lively (very beautiful girl) will be about 10-20 yrs older when this thing is made. Too old to be Rachel
Wrong thread. I want Lively for a live action MOVIE not a TV series. She already has Gossip Girl.
Id prefer animation for Animorphs. That would def. work at anytime. But his ideas would not work in animation either. He takes out and leaves him what pleases him
Nope. Just things too confusing (the Ellimist's origins) and impractical (Tobias as a morph-capable hawk)
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However, tobias being a nothlit serves some important purposes in the storyline (a warning about the two hour limit, a physical representation of the risks they take every time they morph, etc).
Actually, Tobias isn't stuck as a hawk BUT I'm keeping the two-hour limit.
The limit is perfect for tensions-filled scenes. The audience will be thinking 'Will they make it out before the clock is up?'
In the first movie, I'm gonna use the time limit to make the audience worry about a captured Rachel in cat morph.
Therefore, bada-bing bada-boom, the movies shouldn't be made.
The wnhy do people bother making film adaptations at all? These movies aren't JUST for fans of the book. Other people who haven't even heard of Animorphs before should want to see and enjoy these films. It's a business where money must be made. I hate to break it to you but Animorphs is, never was and never will be a Harry Potter.
And really, as I've noticed this solely based on the opinions you've express in this forum, everything you took out of the story was everything you hated in the story, not b/c it doesnt "fit". Lol. You hated the whole complexity issue of Animorphs.
That's not true at all.
This movie would be your own personal movie and yours alone, without any acknowledgment for the fans.
But I have acknowledge the fans BUt ia lso acknowledge the non-fans who may want to see these movies. They're not for you and you alone. At least I considered non-Animorphs fans.
Tobias an orphan, not son of Elfangor? Marco not the son of Visser One?
Nothing personal. It just wouldn't ftr into a film series. Notice that my TV series DOES have include this storyline because of all the room there is for it.
Let me guess, Ax wont even be Elfangor's brother?
There's absolutely no reason whatsoever why a movie or a TV show wouldn't incllude the fact that Ax and Elfangor were brothers. Where would you think I'd do that?
When you're adapting books to film format, there's always a way to make things fit.
Sure...if a movie is 6 hiours long. You sound like a bitter Harry Potter fan bashing the films.
At the end of this first movie you've proposed, Tobias could easily get trapped in a morph. And it would underline the 2 hr limit warning. And yes, that would "fit." It isnt distracting if it comes at the END of the film. HINT HINT.
And in the NEXT films? Like audience memebrs would stand a talking bird throughout a film. A talking bird that mopes and flies around and can't do much in a guerilla war against an alien inavsion?
Use the time limit to create tension-filled moments where the audience wonders if an Animorph will demorph on time and that's it.
The other two movies sound like a major flop for Disney.
1) Who said anything about Disney?
2) Why do they sound like flops?
Dude. You NEED to chill out. It's not serious.
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Since you have already discussed your ideas for an ANimorph movie before, you shouldn't really have created this thread, but I can see how you'd want this a seperate thread from your TV show idea because they would completely contradict each otheer if discussed in the same thread.
Personally, I think most of the changes you've suggested would completely butcher the series. However, this is merely my own opinion, just like this move idea is your opinion Yorick. Don't take it personally when people disagree with you.
Seriously though, your idea seem to have some terrible inconsistencies. If the Andalites didn't give technology to the Yeerks, then how did they get involved in a war with the Yeerks? And if Crayak doesn't exist, then why is the Ellimist limited by rules? If there is no Crayak to oppose him, he could do anything he wanted!
Even though you clearly don't like the idea that Tobias got trapped, it is a key part of the Animorphs story; as are many of the changes you made.
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Personally, I think most of the changes you've suggested would completely butcher the series. However, this is merely my own opinion, just like this move idea is your opinion Yorick. Don't take it personally when people disagree with you.
I haven't taken it personally so far AT ALL. If I sound annoyed is because people like you and filmstu hardly tell me WHy you think tehse idaes are bad. I don't need or want a chorus of agreement but I do want debate and discord. Where's the fun in being on a forum if you can't have that?
If the Andalites didn't give technology to the Yeerks, then how did they get involved in a war with the Yeerks?
I didn't cosnider that. Really, I just put that rule up there because I thought I'd have to adapt5 an entire character-driven story like The Alien into a film.
I GUESS there could be a passing line when they meet Elfangor or Ax for the first time where he tells them what caused the Yeerk menace in a few passing lines of dialouge or we could simply let the audience come up with that reason. Maybe they're both from the same planet and one race turned evil and the other race hunts them?
And if Crayak doesn't exist, then why is the Ellimist limited by rules? If there is no Crayak to oppose him, he could do anything he wanted!
Once again, let the audience come up with that. Maybe he doesn't like directly interfering with the fate of sentient creatures? Maybe it's the law of the Ellimists?
Even though you clearly don't like the idea that Tobias got trapped, it is a key part of the Animorphs story; as are many of the changes you made.
But I DON'T hate the idea that Tobias is trapped in a morph! It's NOTHING personal!
In the TV show, he gets trapped but not in a MOVIE where there are only so many films to tell the story with.
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Again, I know this is just your idea of how the series should go, but I find that many things are just plain stupid (no offence).
Firstly, I hate the idea of making it an animated series. I'm sure it would make the series easier and cheaper to produce, but since this is a hypothetical situation we're talking about, I don't think we need to worry about time and expense.
I don't mind the idea of making the team a bit older, as that way they can introduce darker themes and be less worried about mentally scarring the 3 year olds who supposedly watch it.
I see no reason whatsoever to change the setting from California to Washington, or to change the morph clothing rule as it provided comic relief and was more realistic than morphing shoes and full clothing.
Ax going to school would be funny, but a huge security risk, not to mention the fact that he'd need legal documentation, parents, home address and phone number, etc. As for Tobias going back to school after being mysteriously absent for months? You don't think people would ask questions?
And the final point I can be bothered mentioning: the Yeerks never get the morphing cube. The Yeerks obtaining the cube is a critical turning point in the war that gave the Yeerks a way out of their parasitic bodies and made the Taxxon rebels help the Animorphs in the final battle.
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Firstly, I hate the idea of making it an animated series.
Why? Don't like animation? (I'm not contesting you by the way. I'm honestly curious and would like to know why you dislike the idea of animation.)
Ax going to school would be funny, but a huge security risk, not to mention the fact that he'd need legal documentation, parents, home address and phone number, etc. As for Tobias going back to school after being mysteriously absent for months? You don't think people would ask questions?
Just hack some computers and change some records and use adult human morphs to pose as parents when need be and voila. Problem solved.
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This is an interesting concept. I think that it would be cool, but it would have to be a lot less bloody from the way the books describe the battles.
I could see the animation making it like a ninja turtles type thing, where they kick and punch the bad guys, and the bad guys go down, but with no blood.
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I'd be on board with SOME type of Animorphs movie. I just would not be ok with one or two fans taking artistic lisence. I would love to see the books done into a movie exactly as they were, minus all the KASU's.
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I have no problem with animation, I just don't think that an animated series would suit Animorphs. And I have plenty of imagination thank you.
Why go through all the touble of setting up a false identity for Ax just so that he could go to school with them? It's a dangerous security risk as he could accidentally let something slip, not to mention that he would quickly become bored with a human education system which is greatly inferior to his own.
And yeerlover, you actually like the idea of turning Animorphs battles into a cartoon style fights with no blood? Why not just add in POW, ZAP, BAM and other effects on screen everytime they hit anything? ::)
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And I have plenty of imagination thank you.
Sorry. Typo. I meant to write 'animation.'
Why go through all the touble of setting up a false identity for Ax just so that he could go to school with them? It's a dangerous security risk as he could accidentally let something slip, not to mention that he would quickly become bored with a human education system which is greatly inferior to his own.
I guess people would be wondering what Ax is doing all day in the forest when he could be learning human history and english with his friends.
And yeerlover, you actually like the idea of turning Animorphs battles into a cartoon style fights with no blood? Why not just add in POW, ZAP, BAM and other effects on screen everytime they hit anything?
There's plenty of blood in today's TV. Just not the level of gore that you'd see in a European slahser flick.
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I didn't say I'd like it, but I would like to see a tv series of some kind. And I just don't see how you could show a wolf or bear ripping teeth into a hork-bajir and spilling blood.
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I'm not saying we should see guts spilling out or limbs being torn off, but a little blood to make it realistic just makes sense.
History would be one of the few classes Ax might find interesting, the rest of it would be pointless and laughable by Ax's point of view. They'd have to make sure he didn't ace every test he took and try to keep him from talking to anyone as he's hardly ready to mix with other people on a daily basis. Also, he can learn about earth history from books and television.
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gotcha. I'd like to see some blood and realism too, but I just can't remember seeing blood in many of the cartoons I watched in my younger days.
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I agree, which is one of the reasons I don't think the TV show should be a cartoon.
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However, tobias being a nothlit serves some important purposes in the storyline (a warning about the two hour limit, a physical representation of the risks they take every time they morph, etc).
Actually, Tobias isn't stuck as a hawk BUT I'm keeping the two-hour limit.
The limit is perfect for tensions-filled scenes. The audience will be thinking 'Will they make it out before the clock is up?'
In the first movie, I'm gonna use the time limit to make the audience worry about a captured Rachel in cat morph.
I understand that but my point (which I didn't make too well) was that without someone actually getting trapped it will get real old real fast. Oh they almost got caught! Again! Just like the last 7 times! I was just trying to say it would lose some of its bang.
And if Crayak doesn't exist, then why is the Ellimist limited by rules? If there is no Crayak to oppose him, he could do anything he wanted!
Crayak may exist, Yorick just doesn't want to talk about him/feature him. That would keep the structure in line without needing crayak personal appearances.
I would love to see the books done into a movie exactly as they were, minus all the KASU's.
Impossible.
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Crayak may exist, Yorick just doesn't want to talk about him/feature him.
Yes. Not featured. That's what I mean. For example, I guess Tobias MAY still be Elfangor's son but because we'll never get around to that storyline, we might as well just make him a regular orphan and don't even bother hinting otherwise.
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That makes a little more sense. You should have said that to begin with instead of simply saying that there was no Crayak and that Tobias was not Elfangor's son.
And I'm sure yeerklover is aware that it would be impossible to do all the books as movies, but we are speaking hypothetically here.
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This is an opinion thread. The title should be "How I THINK and Animorphs movie should be done" because your implying with the title that this is the way to go forget what everyone else thinks. People come into the thread wanting to scream at you and then it gets worse because everyone has their own views on how it should be done, and you're eliminating major plot points of the series. Honestly, it's not Animorphs when you do that. This is like the more recent Harry Potter movies where they have to slice and dice the books so much that they really suck (personal opinion) only worse because at least those keep the essential plot parts in.
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I love the "Harry Potter" books and their adaptations. They're good adaptations given that the most critics are only capable of whining about is that every little detail isn't kept despite the fact that the movie would be seven hours long and hurt the quality of the film.
I'm eliminating major plot points of a multiple book series because I'm trying to adapt it into a completely different medium where these storylines simply could not work.
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No way could Ax easily ace history and esp. english class. Same with PE.
What do you think of my idea for adapting the chronicles?
Do you like my episode listing?
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I love the "Harry Potter" books and their adaptations. They're good adaptations given that the most critics are capable of whining about is that every little detail isn't kept despite the fact that the movie would be seven hours long and hurt the quality of the film.
I'm eliminating major plot points of a multiple book series because I'm trying to adapt it into a completely different medium where these storylines simply could not work.
I again must agree. The adaptation were fine (in my opinion for those of you who are touchy about wording) with the exception of the 4th movie which just sucked.
There's always something lost in translation book to movie.
If you had to scale bits back which would you cut out Phoenix? (just for discussion)
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I like the idea of the Pemalite chronicles...a good opportunity to stretch your imagination...
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I really like the general ideas you have for the series. I don't like most of the little details you added/changed, but your concept overall is interesting.
The 1) and 2) you have there are two separate concepts, right? I was confused on that until I read it more carefully, haha.
I would like animated better than live-action. It could easily be made to have a darker tone, and I think the aliens and special effects could look very nice. I would definitely prefer traditional to computer animation though.
As for the details, I won't go into all of them at the moment, but why Seattle?? NorCal is where it's at. xD
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but why Seattle?? NorCal is where it's at. xD
I'd actually like to highlight this question cause I've been wondering too. Why Seattle? Is there a reason for this change?
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I would definitely prefer traditional to computer animation though.
Yes! I love how you're not some silly PIxar zombie and says that 3-D must rule the small and big screen.
Hello! Hiyao Miyazaki and Bruce W. Timm anyone?
What little details didn't you like?
I'd actually like to highlight this question cause I've been wondering too. Why Seattle? Is there a reason for this change?
Wanted a relatively familiar location but still was close enough to the pacific ocean.
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Yes! I love how you're not some silly PIxar zombie and says that 3-D must rule the small and big screen.
Hello! Hiyao Miyazaki and Bruce W. Timm anyone?
What little details didn't you like?
Yeah, I love Pixar, but I think it would be totally inappropriate in this case. I've actually fantasized about a Miyazaki Animorphs film. *_* It's be amazing.
Some of the changes you made are logical, like changing the rule about morphing clothes/shoes. It would make more sense to show the characters in normal clothes. And I think downsizing the role of the Ellimist may be wise too.
But the rest of the changes seemed unrelated to making the books work better for a visual medium, or making the story more relevant to a general audience. For example, I think the Yeerks getting the morphing cube is a very important event, and I don't see how taking it out would make the show work better. It sounded more like you just changed things you didn't like.
I'm curious to know your reasons for all the changes. It is for the sake of making the books work for TV, or because you don't like a certain aspect of the plot? I'm not trying to say you can't change things you don't like. But personally I don't like most of the changes.
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I'm not gonna lie to you. Many of these changes were to legitimately make the series more accessible to general audiences and fit in the television medium. But there were many things I personally disliked that I couldn't help changing if I had the chance.
Legitimate Changes:
-Darker, teen-oriented (Simply because this is suppose to be a prime-time show)
-Downplaying the role of the Ellimist and getting rid of his origins (while we wondered about what the Ellimist was initially, we later stopped caring what his origins are so there's no need to adapt that convoluted chronicle of his. Plus, I felt many of the time paradoxes that Applegate left with him was just too confusing)
-Giving the Andalite homeworld the name Andal (I don't see how this should bother anyone. The planet will hardly be mentioned, at least by name it'd be silly being referred to as 'the Andalite homeworld' atll the time)
-Morphing clothes and shoes (It makes sense that only skintight would be used but the whole 'naked Animorph' joke would get old soon)
-Changing the outcome of Back to Before (I HATED the Deus Ex Machina ending, a glimpse of what could have been like in the original TV series is just fine)
-Ax and Tobias at school (What else would they be doing all day long?)
Personal Changes:
-Seattle, Washington (I just wanted a relatively familiar location that was hardly used in TV and that was close to the Pacific ocean)
-Tom as rebel leader (The idea just sounded cool to me)
-The parents are captured (It just looked really stupid to me)
-Tobias returns as morph-capable human (I don't know where to file this; while I did dislike Applegate screwing us over like that, I also a morphging hawk seemed really dumb)
-Killing Marco's mom (Dunno. Just felt right somehow)
-100% Hispanic Marco (Just representing my people...)
-The Yeerks not getting the morphing cube (I never liked this and didn't feel that Cassie letting Tom go free was too out of character even for her)
-The ending (Once again, I don't know where to file this; I hated how Tom was never freed after Jake tried SO hard for SO long, I NEVER liked cliffhanger endings, Ax should have taken Visser Three down and you just don't kill one of your best characters after all this time.)
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I like some of the ideas, like changing the ending, but dislike some changes, like Tobias and Ax going to school. There are mission related things that they could do that the others can't as easily do. There isn't a big reason for either of them to try going to school regularly. Maybe occassionally, but not year round.
I would make the general tone of the series lighter, so not too many people would be surprised at my almost "all is well" ending. I would make it bittersweet, but more sweet than bitter.
I would probably still give morphing power to some Yeerks, but do it differently. Instead of giving the Yeerks the cube, the Anis would make it more controlled. Like giving power to some members of the Yeerk Peace Movement, or bribing Yeerks kidnapped by the Free Hork-Bajir.
I don't care about sending a big message to kids that war is bad. They'll find out soon enough, without having main characters like Rachel and Tom die. If something happened that forced me to kill off main characters anyway, then I'd start doing it earlier than the last book. I'd have more main character deaths in the series from time to time, and have the anis use the cube to keep their forces strong.
But really, I would make the tone lighter. Kind of like Avatar, which was a story that revolved around a war that had dark parts, but was still something directed at children that didn't end tragicly (sp?).
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I NEVER liked cliffhanger endings,
Nobody does. People (non-traditional animorphs fans) would get very angry if you ended the series like the book. Cliff-hangers just make people angry.
Morhping hawk...a bit stupid especially if you're not targeting kids. Especially for live action this will be almost impossible to believably represent...(imagine the kids carrying a real live hawk as they struggle up the beach out of the water - ain't gonna happen)
I would make the general tone of the series lighter, so not too many people would be surprised at my almost "all is well" ending. I would make it bittersweet, but more sweet than bitter.
Don't necessarily have to but I could understand if you went in this direction.
(No matter what anyone says, this thread has been FUN! ;D)
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Do you like my episode listing and ideas for the chronicles, Daphnes?
I only ask because people comment on the alterations but not the episodes whcih I put a lot of time on.
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I'm not gonna lie to you. Many of these changes were to legitimately make the series more accessible to general audiences and fit in the television medium.
Bravo. It's attitudes like this that gave us two campy neon Batman movies with nipples. Scratch the TV part.
It's just dangerous ice to skate on.
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But there were many things I personally disliked that I couldn't help changing if I had the chance.
Personal Changes:
-Seattle, Washington (I just wanted a relatively familiar location that was hardly used in TV and that was close to the Pacific ocean)
-Tom as rebel leader (The idea just sounded cool to me)
-The parents are captured (It just looked really stupid to me)
-Tobias returns as morph-capable human (I don't know where to file this; while I did dislike Applegate screwing us over like that, I also a morphging hawk seemed really dumb)
-Killing Marco's mom (Dunno. Just felt right somehow)
-100% Hispanic Marco (Just representing my people...)
-The Yeerks not getting the morphing cube (I never liked this and didn't feel that Cassie letting Tom go free was too out of character even for her)
-The ending (Once again, I don't know where to file this; I hated how Tom was never freed after Jake tried SO hard for SO long, I NEVER liked cliffhanger endings, Ax should have taken Visser Three down and you just don't kill one of your best characters after all this time.)
Which justifies my point. Dude, this is your own personal movie, str8 up. How're you gonna change ALLL that which made the final arc of Animorphs, ANIMORPHS???? Yeerks not getting the Morphing cube? Do you not know the laws of drama? Did it ever occur to you that that part ties in to Cassies intuition, her knowing that it would stir the Yeerk army and change the tides of the war? Its b/c of the morphing cube that everything turned out the way it did. Like i said, there are ways to make adaptations work while still pleasing the fans and entertaining the newcomers.
But oh yea, I forgot. You don't like complexity in your stories. Lol....Sorry, but its a really bad idea.
The only things I liked up there were:
Legitimate Changes:
-Downplaying the role of the Ellimist and getting rid of his origins (while we wondered about what the Ellimist was initially, we later stopped caring what his origins are so there's no need to adapt that convoluted chronicle of his. Plus, I felt many of the time paradoxes that Applegate left with him was just too confusing)
-Giving the Andalite homeworld the name Andal (I don't see how this should bother anyone. The planet will hardly be mentioned, at least by name it'd be silly being referred to as 'the Andalite homeworld' atll the time)
-Morphing clothes and shoes (It makes sense that only skintight would be used but the whole 'naked Animorph' joke would get old soon)
- And maybe, just maybe, allowing Tobias to move into his human form permanently. I dont know. It really depends. Dont know how it would fit. Or perhaps the Ellimist only gives Tobias back the morphing power, but he can only use it when he morphs to human, still to be trapped as a bird.
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1) Who said anything about Disney?
2) Why do they sound like flops?
Dude. You NEED to chill out. It's not serious.
1) They sound like they were written for Disney. Your focus, especially on movie #2, is way too adventurous and includes a book which is completely irrelevant to the main storyline.
Because they just do. And if this wasn't to be taken seriously then it wouldnt be titled "How an Animorphs movie SHOULD be done." Nor would it consist of a full drawn-out step by step plan as to how the movie should be executed. Im not an avid Harry Potter fan. And frankly I think while the 1st movie was okay, the 3rd one, Prisoner of Akzaban was the most brilliant and dark. The director Alfonso Cua-something, had this amazing vision that was such a huge contrast from the first two, which were both very juvenile in their appeal. This new director of the final four is pretty amateur. And it shows. He's creative but his direction as far as visuals go is lacking. I don't think I'll be impressed by the final movies in this franchise since he's directing.
Your Animorphs idea would be a terrible adaptation. Even while you claim you're making an attempt to please the non-fans, it sounds more like your ideas would alienate them. Guess we'll just have to settle for a Disney flop version of Animorphs. That's how it would turn out if some regular producer got his hands on it. Something similar to 'Spy Kids 1,2 AND 3." All terrible movies.
I feel bad. Do I really sound that harsh?
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Just asking, why is a 7 hour movie bad? I'd watch a seven-hour movie.
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I NEVER liked cliffhanger endings,
Nobody does. People (non-traditional animorphs fans) would get very angry if you ended the series like the book. Cliff-hangers just make people angry.
I don't mind cliff-hangers. They leave room for my imagination to think of more stories. the only thing I care is which book/movie/tv show/etc they're used in.
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*sigh*
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Do you like my episode listing and ideas for the chronicles, Daphnes?
I only ask because people comment on the alterations but not the episodes whcih I put a lot of time on.
For the most part, it looks fine. I'd rather the Chronicles work more into the story arc, though, instead of just being season finales.
I'd like to see an Ellemist Chronicles that goes into the Time Matrix and the backgrounds of both super powers.
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Im not an avid Harry Potter fan. And frankly I think while the 1st movie was okay, the 3rd one, Prisoner of Akzaban was the most brilliant and dark. The director Alfonso Cua-something, had this amazing vision that was such a huge contrast from the first two, which were both very juvenile in their appeal. This new director of the final four is pretty amateur. And it shows. He's creative but his direction as far as visuals go is lacking. I don't think I'll be impressed by the final movies in this franchise since he's directing.
Thank you. That's what I meant. The first few were okay and the third was awesome, but once you get to the later ones it's bad. My statement was a little blunt and misinterpreted. That shows the limits of communicating such things via the internet. You have to be extremely careful about your work choices.
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Cuaron is awesome. I could actually see him potentially working well with this franchise. Go watch Children Of Men. It's a little too 'artsy' for Animorphs, but the guy has a knack for grit and immersion.
He's a good choice. Not sure how he'd work with the comedy and very American humor/culture references though, being a foreigner.
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Just asking, why is a 7 hour movie bad? I'd watch a seven-hour movie.
Because most people want quick thrills and lack the necessary attention span. There are just some people who don't like storyline and prefer mindless action. And unless you're a real fan 7 hours is a bit much for anything (not to mention having to find the time to see it)
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Way too adventurous, film stu? These were action-adventure books! And we're talking about FILMS that are suppose to be cinematic!
Just because a book isn't relevant to the main storyline, it doesn't make it any less worth y of being adapted.
Because they just do? How helpful...
This thread was suppose to be taken seriously but the hostility and cynicism is nevertheless unwarranted. You need to calm down.
Well those Harry Potter films are aimed at kids so they should be a little juvenile.
Just asking, why is a 7 hour movie bad? I'd watch a seven-hour movie.
That's because you're an idiot.
A studio and the theater can't really make profit of a film so long that they can only play it twice a day and a person that ISN'T moron like you has better things to do than see a 7-hour long film.
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Bravo. It's attitudes like this that gave us two campy neon Batman movies with nipples. Scratch the TV part.
1) I liked Batman Forever
2) Th problem was that that Warner Bros. and toy companies wanted the movies to be more juvenile to sell to kids NOT to make it more accessible to the general public.
Which justifies my point. Dude, this is your own personal movie, str8 up.
Wrong thread. This is about my TV series not movie.
But oh yea, I forgot. You don't like complexity in your stories. Lol....Sorry, but its a really bad idea.
Whatever gave you that idea? I like complexity but I don't like confusion.
Did it ever occur to you that that part ties in to Cassies intuition, her knowing that it would stir the Yeerk army and change the tides of the war?
The rising voice of the Yeerk Peace Movement and the Taxxon rebels can take care of this.
For the most part, it looks fine. I'd rather the Chronicles work more into the story arc, though, instead of just being season finales.
They weren't season finales. They were direct-to-video film adaptation released one-by-one after every season.
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They weren't season finales. They were direct-to-video film adaptation released one-by-one after every season.
Oh, sorry. All the better then.
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That's because you're an idiot.
You're one to talk, calling someone an idiot. Seriously. Have you taken a look at your ideas lately?
Gee, that came out much harsher than I intended.
Oh, and Xeno I did see Children of Men when it came out. It shouldve won an Oscar because it was an AWESOME movie. Breathtaking. Visually and storywise it was creative. Plus it had my favorite actors in it. Clive Owens, Jullian Moore, and CHIWETEL EJIOFOR - That guy is a star. Did anyone see him play the Messenger in Joss' Whedon's Serenity? Brilliant, brilliant actor. Serenity is one of the best Sci-fi movies of all time if you ask me.
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Which justifies my point. Dude, this is your own personal movie, str8 up.
Wrong thread. This is about my TV series not movie.
But oh yea, I forgot. You don't like complexity in your stories. Lol....Sorry, but its a really bad idea.
Whatever gave you that idea? I like complexity but I don't like confusion.
OH, cut the B.S. You know exactly what I'm talking about.
i suggest you continue developing your ideas at film school, and come back when your proposal is rooted in THIS real world.
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Serenity is one of the best Sci-fi movies of all time if you ask me.
*rubs forehead* Major headache.
Okay, Chiwetel is awesome. Granted. ^^^ But this statement is ri-holycrap-ridiculous.
Serenity was an okay two-hour long episode of Firefly. The show had better characterization.
Serenity was good. One of the best sci-fi films of all time? Puh-leeze. 2001, Alien, The Day The Earth Stood Still, E.T., Metropolis, Blade Runner...Serenity?
Uh no.
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Hell, if I enjoyed it to the point where I could watch it anywhere, anytime, at any point in the movie, that makes it one of the best sci-fi flicks in my book. Aliens is great, I have to go back and actually sit through the entire Blade Runner. But I am looking forward to the remake of The Day The Earth Stood Still. -- Looks very well made.
I said one of the best. Not THE Best. There can be lots in the 'Best' category.
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I did like Serenity, although the Firefly series was more fun in my opinion.
Anyway: :sign18:
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Is there a reason why we have 3 Animorph film topics? I mean, aren't we just repeating the same things over and over in every one of them?
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Agreed. All of these bad ideas should be centralized so not as to pollute as many brains with corruption and lack of standards.
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Just asking, why is a 7 hour movie bad? I'd watch a seven-hour movie.
Because most people want quick thrills and lack the necessary attention span. There are just some people who don't like storyline and prefer mindless action. And unless you're a real fan 7 hours is a bit much for anything (not to mention having to find the time to see it)
the first part I get, the second part, I disagree. Pick any, children/family genre movie, and stretch it to 7 hours, and I'll guarantee I'd watch it. And if you don't have enough time, just watch the rest of it another day.
Just asking, why is a 7 hour movie bad? I'd watch a seven-hour movie.
That's because you're an idiot.
A studio and the theater can't really make profit of a film so long that they can only play it twice a day and a person that ISN'T moron like you has better things to do than see a 7-hour long film.
(http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/rolleye/rolleye0001.gif)well excuse me for forgetting that people go to a theater to watch movies.
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Although he's being kind of a tool about it, he's right about a seven hour movie being a pretty ridiculous idea.
Attention spans aren't that long. Hell, Lord Of The Rings tired me and that was three.
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There's a typo in the subject line and where's the idea for a movie?
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It was decided that it might be best to merge the two topics, so Esplin merged them earlier.
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Although he's being kind of a tool about it, he's right about a seven hour movie being a pretty ridiculous idea.
Attention spans aren't that long. Hell, Lord Of The Rings tired me and that was three.
Okay, I agree that a seven hour movie is long. I too got tired with Lord of the Rings. Still, Yorick needs to get the idea that being as blunt as he was is completely out of line. A person watching a seven hour movie isn't an idiot, they just have the attention span and interest to sit through it. We can debate these things, but let's keep the conversation polite PLEASE.
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Well, since a seven hour movie hasn't ever been made...
Ever...
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Never heard of Les Vampires? 7 1/2 hours long and one of the greatest silents and all around movies of all time?
No?
Than you should probably stop addressing that point. :)
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add some swearing, good special effects, cassie/jake and racheal/tobias going further than just kissing, plenty of gore and i think it would be quite successful as a show at around about 9pm, for a childrens book it's quite adult anyway with the constant moral dilemmas, character development and the less than happy ending.
edit: add in the marco/ax-racheal as well, could lead to some great drama if tobias or racheal saw them 0.0
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add some swearing, good special effects, cassie/jake and racheal/tobias going further than just kissing, plenty of gore
:wow: I won't be watching that then...
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PLEASE, let's not try to pornography animorphs, alright? ::) :P
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"More than kissing" doesn't always mean pornography.
I'm not a big fan of romance in books/movies, but it would make sense for them to explore the Animorph relationships more.
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"More than kissing" doesn't always mean pornography.
I'm not a big fan of romance in books/movies, but it would make sense for them to explore the Animorph relationships more.
it's not because of that that I wouldn't watch it. it's the stuff like gore that makes me not wanna watch it.
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i was joking for the most part btw
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Hey guys, I just thought I would give a quick update on the movie status according to Michael Grant:
"4- Talked to various Hollywood weasels re: ANIMORPHS and GONE. Results: blah blah blah, we respect your work, blah blah blah. "
Apparently it's not going to well, though it seems like there is at least interest. I'm surprised that GONE doesn't have more interest, because that concept seems really fresh and would adapt quite well into a movie IMO.
http://stupidblogname.com/2009/04/long-time-no-post/
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A person watching a seven hour movie isn't an idiot, they just have the attention span and interest to sit through it.
It's more impractical than that. Not only would a person watch a even hour long movie, they would get hungry AND have to go the bathroom and no movie theater or studio would ever recoup their costs.
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Not sure if I’m going to get eaten alive for this post because it’s my first one... but yes I agree with the few of you who are saying that Yorick’s changes are you great because they are really... Animorphs I view, as being very dark, I just finished a full re-read yesterday took me about 2 months in-between work :) and you can’t alienate fans and the story arc worked.
I don’t think you could pull of the story of the animorphs in movies because the amount of content in the books couldn’t really be summed up in even 10 movies.. And how many really good A grade movies have 10 of them come out?
What I think could be interesting is doing the hork-bajir chronicles it would be challenging because 1) There is no humans in it at all 2) Hork-Bajir (The planet itself) would be challenging and expensive to create how tall where the trees? However it would have the advantage of being in the very beginning of the yeerk invasion so it could explain it from there. Possibly try the andalite chronicles after that.
And IF I Guess it’s a big IF they got interest you could do a TV show about the series but skip books like No 2 or merge them into other briefly but you would have to keep the main story the same make some changes sure, change all the conversations I would of liked to of seen Tobias and Rachel explored more, and it still would need to be Violent, but you couldn’t have the amount of gore they talked about in the books... and it wouldn’t really need a lot of swearing I don’t think...
3 Short seasons would be cool, ending the first one on 21 with the Jake/David fight the 2nd season could end with 40 had a pretty cool fight at the end, and start up the last season with No 41 I always thought that this was an important book. And it all sorta leads up to how Jake was dehumanized or whatever.
There are moments in the books I think are to good to change for shows some parts would always be hard to do but moments like in 45 where Rachel says to that Blue band A Hork-Bajir's Gunna die on this peir Mr Grath... But its not gunna be me" and Ax on the train about to blow up the pool and so many others. No doubt it would take money and be hard, but I mean who even imagined X-men or Spiderman turning out like they did, just about everyone loves them. Not saying it will be done just that it could. And I would rather it be done right not a carbon copy of the books but the main story the same.
Anyway that’s my 2 cents pick it to shreds... :) Sorry about the length
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I think complexity is a good thing in a show directed at children. Gargoyles was a VERY complex show, for instance.
Here's how I'd do it.
1. For the most part, NOTHING would be changed. I think Cassie did the right thing trying to find a peaceful solution to the war and it fits her character. I loved what Jake said in the Departure (which is my favorite book in the series)
2. Each episode would be an hour long. half hour is too short and would make things sped up too much, which was a problem I had with the tv show
3. The megamorphs would be 2 hour movies.
4. My ending would be somewhat different from the books:
a. Jake and Cassie WOULD get married. I hated that. Come on, what's wrong with a little romance in kid's stories? It worked in Harry Potter. They'd even have children, one of whom would be an estreen, just like mommy. And they'd go to Andal for a honeymoon, as you call it (I like it. "Andalite homeworld" was kinda silly.
b. Tobias and Rachel (who doesn't die. I mean, just because she wasn't supposed to join doesn't mean she's expendable) would get married. Tobias would return to his humanity realizing he has no reason to fight anymore and deserves some happiness.
c. No cliffhanger ending with The One.
5. I'd include the chronicles as straight to DVD stuff
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When I heard/read about the TV show, I did actually expect hour long episodes.
The more I think about the series, the more drastic the changes I would make. I wonder if that happens with a lot of people. First it's just one or two minor tweaks. Then they get to thinking about it, and maybe some other tweaking would be good. Sooner or later, it's a full blown revamp of the series, for better or worse. I do honestly think that at least some of my changes would please the vast majority of fans.
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I think complexity is a good thing in a show directed at children. Gargoyles was a VERY complex show, for instance.
Here's how I'd do it.
1. For the most part, NOTHING would be changed. I think Cassie did the right thing trying to find a peaceful solution to the war and it fits her character. I loved what Jake said in the Departure (which is my favorite book in the series)
2. Each episode would be an hour long. half hour is too short and would make things sped up too much, which was a problem I had with the tv show
3. The megamorphs would be 2 hour movies.
mmkay
4. My ending would be somewhat different from the books:
a. Jake and Cassie WOULD get married. I hated that. Come on, what's wrong with a little romance in kid's stories? It worked in Harry Potter. They'd even have children, one of whom would be an estreen, just like mommy. And they'd go to Andal for a honeymoon, as you call it (I like it. "Andalite homeworld" was kinda silly.
b. Tobias and Rachel (who doesn't die. I mean, just because she wasn't supposed to join doesn't mean she's expendable) would get married. Tobias would return to his humanity realizing he has no reason to fight anymore and deserves some happiness.
NO! I wouldn't mind the Jake and Cassie thing but I'd rather they didn't but NO Rachel surviving. try and stay as true to the books as possible. Rachel surviving woulda defiently been the ending the tv show would have done had they not ended that horrible show before they got to the book ending. Harry Potter was a nice ending but I'd never recommend that for Animorphs. way too happy, it'd disrupt the tone of the story
c. No cliffhanger ending with The One.
5. I'd include the chronicles as straight to DVD stuff
ok sounds nice
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I don't think the TV show could have gotten away with killing Rachel off, even if they wanted to. Does Nick even do a show that would kill off a main character like that?
Of course I would have her survive. The only way I'd see killing her off is if the series did that kind of stuff right from the start. I don't know how the fans would take that.
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Does Nick even do a show that would kill off a main character like that?
like 3 secondary characters died in Avatar. Nick let avatar get away with a lot of stuff actually. mostly becuz it was their highest rated show at the time(actually..I think it still is despite the fact that it's almost been a year since it ended)
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But that's secondary characters. I'm talking main characters. There's a difference.
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Spock died in Star Trek 2.
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Star Trek wasn't aimed at kids, and I don't think Nickolodeon produced it.
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Spock died in Star Trek 2.
Star Trek wasn't aimed at kids, and I don't think Nickolodeon produced it.
LOL
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Spock died in Star Trek 2.
Yes but the brought him back in star trek III: Search for Spock. (They reunited his soul with his body)
Maybe thats what they should do with rachel they think she is dead but she somehow survived and escaped death. This will surrely tug at the audience's heartstrings
Marco's mother should stay Visser One due to the fact that she was such a deep character.
Also "The Warning" would make an awsome episode.
Actually so would "The Illusion"
and nothing should change with Tobias from the book series.
also there should be a free Hork-Bajir colony but the stuff with "the seer" should shortened to simply remarkable intelligence.
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I would like Tobias to be a little less complainy. And of course he would end up happier in my story because Rachel would survive. No self imposed exile needed.
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Im with ya. Rachel would def survive in my story. The real battle would be between Jake and Tom, which is what had been hinted at since well, Book 1 The Invasion. And then there was Jake's dream. I really wanted to see the climax of that storyline. But no, Jake takes the easy way out, a cop-out if u ask me, and sends his cousin Rachel to do his bidding, which was pointless btw. he couldve sent some auxillary animorphs with her. 1 person against a whole ship? yeah right
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Rachel's my favorite character. It does fit her to go out fighting, and for her to step up for a suicide mission, but I would definitely rather have her not die, and end up happily ever after with Tobias. Tears were streaming out of my eyes when I was reading about her dying. I even had to reread it cause I couldn't believe that she had.
I hated Applegate for killing her off and making Tobias miserable. I swear, this is the most attached I've become to a character, especially after they've been killed off. I haven't cried like that since [spoiler]Eddie died in the last book :cry:[/spoiler] for the Dark Tower Series.
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It made me tear up a bit too. I just couldn't believe she would do that. Especially since it's been established that there's always a way out for them.