Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Fan Fiction & Art => Topic started by: Yorick Brown on August 15, 2008, 06:11:38 PM
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8-10 years after the events of The Beginning, many of the original Animorphs are back together again for more adventures.
After rescuing Ax from the One, Jake and Marco and Ax are crew members of the 'Tiger Claw' (or the 'Star Wolf.' Not sure which I'd use yet.) A spaceship in part of a Andalite-Human alliance starfleet captained by Jake himself. The three and a joint crew of humans and andalites (which includes Estrid) patrol the galaxy stopping dying Yeerk factions and other alien terrors threatening sentient life. (No. I never even heard of "Star Trek" at all...)
Maybe 'The Star Wolf Chronicles' as a working title?
(Tobias is back on Earth, finally getting over Rachel day by day with the help of her best friend Melissa who has an attarction to. He's making a realtionship with his now-sightcapable mother thanks to advancements in medicines influenced by Andalite technological aid. He recently decided to live out his life as a human. He's not in this new series because I couldn't stand his moping and mysterious nature in the original series. Plus, I just wanted to give him a break after awhile. Cassie isn't in it because I'm sure she's tired of the fight and would concern herself with Earth conservation efforts.)
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K.A. will write her characters the way she wants. Though it's unlikely she'll ever revive the series.
Why don't you just write this idea yourself?
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Indeed. After all, this IS a fan-fic section. Write a fan-fic. From your regular posts, I can see that you have a good grasp of the nuances of the language, so discriptions and the like should be a breeze for you.
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um...is there a reason you made the same thread in the animorphs section?
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Good question. Why, Yorick, if you please?
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(Genuine perplexity, not sarcasm.)
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um...is there a reason you made the same thread in the animorphs section?
Yeah. I wasn't sure where to put this. Now my thraed over their got deleted and it was probably your fault again because you're a... Here I go on. I'm shutting up now but just know that I was ready to insult your regularly annoying self.
Can't you ever shut up and quit asking about the content of the question and actually answer the question? How does anyone here put up with you?
By the way, did any of you thrree realize that you never said if my idea was good or not?
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Would it kill you to act like a decent human being-you know, when it actually matters? ::) :P
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Jeeze Yorick. Now your hatin on me Estemoolore. Not cool dude.
Oh, and I think it's a bad idea. No offence but it sounds... lame.
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Yeah. I wasn't sure where to put this. Now my thraed over their got deleted and it was probably your fault again because you're a... Here I go on. I'm shutting up now but just know that I was ready to insult your regularly annoying self.
Can't you ever shut up and quit asking about the content of the question and actually answer the question? How does anyone here put up with you?
By the way, did any of you thrree realize that you never said if my idea was good or not?
edit: thought you were talking about estelore, but still, same thing applies to morfowt
how the hell can you say something so rude? you realize that it was annoying to everyone, not just her, she just had the innitiative to do something about it. next time, think about what you type before you hit post.
oh, and you are much more annoying than estelore
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Why don't you just write this idea yourself?
For the same reason I only want to direct and produce feature films in the future rather than write them.
I'm more of a story TELLER than a story MAKER. I'm not the best writer, esp. when it comes to dialouge and wit, but I do know what it takes to entertain people and feel I can tell a good story.
What do you think of my story anyway?
By the way, I was not talking to Estelore. (Hence the quote by Morfowt!)
I was talking to MORFOWT!
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Actually, it probably would have been deleted anyway, because there were two of them. I really think you need to back off of morf. . You act like a jerk towards him a lot. RAF is a big happy family, Yorick. Why don't you come join it?
That was actually a question that made sense to ask. It just seemed weird that you posted two topics.
Okay, so you're idea. I didn't exactly like it. If K.A. ever did continue the series, it would probably make more sense to explain what happened after the end of The Beginning, not just suddenly skip to a decade later. Also, the whole thing with Tobias doesn't seem to make much sense...I can't figure out a good way to explain why though, so I'll post it later.
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Your sitting there saying how Morfowt is annoying but your being more of a pest than him. If you have such a problem with one of the most active memebers on here then you should either change or just leave. I mean, your karma is like... -55. What does that tell you? Obviously your the problem, not him. That question totally have a point.
And I think it might be good if you write it up as a fanfic. K.A. is probably never going to do it, so why don't you or find someone else to?
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I don't like dropping Tobias, and if you are doing a follow up, that'd make a lot of people mad, he's typically a favorite.
Plus the final killer: a decade later means they're pushing 30. Half the excitement was that it was kids saving the world, kids defeating evil empires.
but adults and middle age people.
not exciting.
Saving the world; while paying taxes!
No :P
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Ooh, I forgot to factor in the age...
Yeah, 30 year olds fighting, not cool.
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ouch on behalf of nabet
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...it would probably make more sense to explain what happened after the end of The Beginning, not just suddenly skip to a decade later.
We can still do that here. Maybe bringing up the battle of the Rachel crew members vs. The One in fragments of conversation and flashbacks. Or even just a prolouge.
I personally feel it's not that important.
Yeah, 30 year olds fighting, not cool.
They'd be 24-26 and what's wrong with that?
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Most people would probably feel it is important though. You need to think about the audience as well, dude.
You should write it as a fanfic instead of just asking us. I would like to be a director and producer too, rather than a writer, but I still find writing my own stuff just as cool as those things. And, directors help write the scripts a lot of the time anyway.
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Yorick, if you genuinely need to know, I WAS THE ONE THAT GOT YOUR THREAD DELETED.
ME.
ESTELORE.
NOT MORFOWT.
Please, PLEASE just EASE UP ON HIM!! We are all SICK of hearing you hash him. None of US has a problem with him.
I consider him a very GOOD FRIEND, and I'm one of your most staid defenders, in terms of trying to get people to CONSIDER your side of things.
Forgive me for saying so, but you are NOT making it easy for me!
Cliches aside, WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!?
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And, directors help write the scripts a lot of the time anyway.
I have tons of screenplay and teleplay ideas but I know I'm jsut not talented enough in that arena to write them. Its best if I just hand the idea to good writers that understand my vision and I'll direct the scripts.
I just wanted some feedback on the idea.
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Here we are again you insulting me. You want to say every single bad thing about me, be my guest. I don't care one single bit. However, it might not be a good idea for you to post it here where everyone can read it...cuz everyone's gonna hate you now...well not everyone, but a lot of people...the proof? your karma point.
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Here we are again you insulting me.
Ha! I didn't insult. I stopped myself. It was hard but I did stop myself.
your karma point.
Ha! Ha! Ha! I don't even know what the hell karma points are!
Will I get a prize or something for being good?
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See that -55 under your name? Yeah, that's coz people have been smiting you for being a jerk.
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SAYING that you had an insult in the FIRST place IS an insult, man.
Now, PLEASE, EVERYONE, CHILL OUT!!
PEACE!!!
I'm going to bed now. G'night, all. You'd better not be quarrelling when I wake, or I'll verbally smash your heads together!
;)
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um...is there a reason you made the same thread in the animorphs section?
Yeah. I wasn't sure where to put this. Now my thraed over their got deleted and it was probably your fault again because you're a... Here I go on. I'm shutting up now but just know that I was ready to insult your regularly annoying self.
Can't you ever shut up and quit asking about the content of the question and actually answer the question? How does anyone here put up with you?
By the way, did any of you thrree realize that you never said if my idea was good or not?
You're a douche.
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well since Este said that...I'll stop here but maybe I'll PM it to you.
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your karma point.
Ha! Ha! Ha! I don't even know what the hell karma points are!
Will I get a prize or something for being good?
No, it'll pretty much tell people how you act around the forum. And yours very low.
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Karma doesn't matter. Mine could be -1000 and I wouldn't be able to care less if I tried.
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true, you shouldn't care, but it does have meaning if your karma is -1000
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Gotta agree with Estelore again. Feel free to argue about this yourselves.
Now let's get back to my story...
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can't we all just get along and hug the giant dancing weenies. (gaz42 and all invader zim fans i hope you appreciate the reference.)
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Okay. I think dropping Tobias because of a personal feeling towards him would be kind of weird. No matter how you feel about him, he's an important character. Also, the story you gave him doesn't seem right.
Also, skipping the 8 years and just giving a prologue...There would probably be a ton to explain. You'd have to explain things like how they survived, what happened to The One, Ax and why Tobias decided to live his life when he had the chance to die and be with Rachel, I guess. It'd be a lot.
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Okay. I think dropping Tobias because of a personal feeling towards him would be kind of weird. No matter how you feel about him, he's an important character. Also, the story you gave him doesn't seem right.
It wasn't just that. In my post, I did say that I sincerely wanted the character to find some peace. If Applegate couldn't give him a break, at least I can.
Also, I couldn;t picture him patroling space as easily as the rest. I think his story does seem right. He has plenty of people who love him besides Rachel if only he could open it. I'm going to explain the successful rescue mission led to Tobias getting a revelation and decies to put soem meaning back into his life.
We could still use fragmented coversations and flashbacks over the series that the reader can piece together. I really don't think it's that big of a prority.
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um...is there a reason you made the same thread in the animorphs section?
Yeah. I wasn't sure where to put this. Now my thraed over their got deleted and it was probably your fault again because you're a... Here I go on. I'm shutting up now but just know that I was ready to insult your regularly annoying self.
Can't you ever shut up and quit asking about the content of the question and actually answer the question? How does anyone here put up with you?
By the way, did any of you thrree realize that you never said if my idea was good or not?
Hey, back off! It wasn't morfowt's fault that your thread got deleted. It was your fault because you duplicated it. It would've been deleted either way. If anything, he was showing some interest in your topic. The only reason I didn't particularly ask why you posted it twice was because I just couldn't care less.
As for your idea, I didn't like it. I thought it was lame. Sorry. I avoided saying that earlier because I didn't have anything positive to say, but since you pushed for an answer, there it is. Hope you learned something from that.
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As for your idea, I didn't like it. I thought it was lame. Sorry. I avoided saying that earlier because I didn't have anything positive to say, but since you pushed for an answer, there it is. Hope you learned something from that.
Um, really, I was trying to avoid saying something like that, but I do agree that it's a lame idea. I'm not sure I read it right, but, did you put that Tobias had an attraction to Melissa? Cuz that just doesn't work.
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8-10 years after the events of The Beginning, many of the original Animorphs are back together again for more adventures.
After rescuing Ax from the One, Jake and Marco and Ax are crew members of the 'Tiger Claw' (or the 'Star Wolf.' Not sure which I'd use yet.) A spaceship in part of a Andalite-Human alliance starfleet captained by Jake himself. The three and a joint crew of humans and andalites (which includes Estrid) patrol the galaxy stopping dying Yeerk factions and other alien terrors threatening sentient life. (No. I never even heard of "Star Trek" at all...)
Maybe 'The Star Wolf Chronicles' as a working title?
(Tobias is back on Earth, finally getting over Rachel day by day with the help of her best friend Melissa who has an attarction to. He's making a realtionship with his now-sightcapable mother thanks to advancements in medicines influenced by Andalite technological aid. He recently decided to live out his life as a human. He's not in this new series because I couldn't stand his moping and mysterious nature in the original series. Plus, I just wanted to give him a break after awhile. Cassie isn't in it because I'm sure she's tired of the fight and would concern herself with Earth conservation efforts.)
Hmm. The plot kind of sounds like one of those direct-to-video Disney sequels to me (not that this is necessarily a bad thing; I for one find all the Beauty and the Beast spinoffs quite entertaining). Especially Estrid joining the team again, I just don't see it happening.
I don't think putting Tobias and Melissa together is a great idea either, but I guess it doesn't matter since he's not in the story anyway. xD
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As for your idea, I didn't like it. I thought it was lame. Sorry. I avoided saying that earlier because I didn't have anything positive to say, but since you pushed for an answer, there it is. Hope you learned something from that.
I didn't actually. Not because you didn't like my idea but because you didn't explain why. Please do.
Hmm. The plot kind of sounds like one of those direct-to-video Disney sequels to me
How so?
Um, really, I was trying to avoid saying something like that, but I do agree that it's a lame idea. I'm not sure I read it right, but, did you put that Tobias had an attraction to Melissa? Cuz that just doesn't work.
Can't you see it? Melissa is grieving over Rachel. Tobias is grieving over Rachel. They try to heal each other but then become friends and the one night they finally kiss and realize they've fallen in love. (I've been watching WAY too many teen soaps.)
But he's not in the story anyway so what does it matter?
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First off, the idea just seems a bit too "it's been done before". The idea (or at least my understanding of it) seems to be beating a dead horse.
That said, gonna try some constructive criticism:
1. Jake leading an entire fleet? Seems like a stretch. The Andalites would never go for something like that (the whole arrogance thing that is so integral to their nature). Maybe a ragtag human fleet just getting off the ground being sent into some of the worst/deadliest missions by reluctant andalite handlers? Definitely no joint crew/no Estrid. Maybe Ax.
2. Unlike what seems to be the general concensus: I actually could see Tobias/Melissa kinda working out. Of course some kind of traumatic event would probably have to befall Melissa for there to be any hope of that...or they could connect over their shared loss of Rachel? I don't know. It's doable but you'd have to take steps to make it believable (write a solid background of some kind). Still can't take them out of it altogether (maybe they reconnect when Melissa joins up with the fleet in the wake of her own personal tragedy (husband dies? Father dies?))
3. Jake should keep the Rachel. It seems more appropriate
4. Better title needed. Sorry, no suggestions as yet.
5. Cassie is kinda worthless to any future stories as she didn't go with them on the Rachel. Maybe work her in as a political something or other on Earth/with the Andalites?
6. Do not break with the Animorphs mystique. It would have to be a very dark and unforgiving series/book/movie. (No Disney moments)
You should consider writing some kind of basic outline.
Just a few thoughts. Take them for what they're worth.
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Maybe a ragtag human fleet just getting off the ground
HA! No pun intended! ;D
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Um, really, I was trying to avoid saying something like that, but I do agree that it's a lame idea. I'm not sure I read it right, but, did you put that Tobias had an attraction to Melissa? Cuz that just doesn't work.
Can't you see it? Melissa is grieving over Rachel. Tobias is grieving over Rachel. They try to heal each other but then become friends and the one night they finally kiss and realize they've fallen in love. (I've been watching WAY too many teen soaps.)
But he's not in the story anyway so what does it matter?
1. Wow, you have...it doesn't seem to work...
2. I keep forgetting he's not in the story.
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1) Jake isn't captain of an entire fleet. Just the Star Wolf/Tiger Claw
2) Yes. Connect over the loss of Rachel. But this is just a minor point ina character's life that isn't in the mian story
3) It was destroyed in Ax's rescue
4) It was just a working title
5) Wouldn't have it any other way
The first book would have Jake and the gang trying to stop one of the dying Yeerk factions from claiming the Hork-Bajir homeworld. (After The Prophecy, the last Arn successfully cloned many Hork-Bajir.)
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also don't steal the name starwolf, stick with tigerclaw
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Hmm. The plot kind of sounds like one of those direct-to-video Disney sequels to me
How so?
It reminds me of those Buzz Lightyear movies that don't really have anything to do with Toy Story, it's just Star Command fighting Emperor Zurg.
I mean, it sounds like a good plot, but to me it seems like a different or separate thing from Animorphs, especially because Tobias and Cassie aren't in the story.
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also don't steal the name starwolf, stick with tigerclaw
I didn't steal the name Star Wolf. Funny enough, I stole the name Tiger Claw from a ship in the movie Wing Commander
I mean, it sounds like a good plot, but to me it seems like a different or separate thing from Animorphs, especially because Tobias and Cassie aren't in the story.
They'll still be able to moroh...
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um...is there a reason you made the same thread in the animorphs section?
Yeah. I wasn't sure where to put this. Now my thraed over their got deleted and it was probably your fault again because you're a... Here I go on. I'm shutting up now but just know that I was ready to insult your regularly annoying self.
Can't you ever shut up and quit asking about the content of the question and actually answer the question? How does anyone here put up with you?
By the way, did any of you thrree realize that you never said if my idea was good or not?
Dude. Not cool.All I'm going to say about that. And by the way, the only question you asked in your original post, was about the title, (which I did not care for) not about your story idea.
That being said, I will try to give some feedback about your idea.
Overall, I don't like it.
First of all, leaving out the Rachel battle except for little hints can't happen. Even if it doesn't happen right away, you have to get deep into it because the fans need and want to know what happened.
I don't mind the characters being older. They would be around 30 not the 24-26 you thought. If you remember in The Beginning, there was a few years between the pool ship battle and the One, making them about 19. Anyways, this was the one idea of yours that I liked. It would definitely put a new spin on things. We spent a lot of time with kids fighting a war, lets see how they do when they're older.
Like someone else, said, I'm not sure that I can see a mixed Andalite/Human fleet. It seems awkward. Obviously there would be a lot of contact between the two races and that sort of thing which adds to the story, but it seems too soon for things to have become so integrated. Maybe just Ax and one or two other Andalites with the Human ship and vice versa. However, I think that after so long, Jake would be tired of war and wouldn't want to lead so much. But his responsibility wouldn't let him leave completely but I see him as taking more of a desk position and commanding from the back, not the frontlines.
Next, you can't cut out Tobias and/or Cassie. You just can't. Regardless of whether or not you like them, they have to be included because they are a central part of the story and have huge relationships with the other characters. It would be like when they made the Superman movie, if the screenplay writer didn't like Lois Lane, so he just didn't include her. Doesn't work. You take the whole work, or none of it. If you want to write them out somehow, like if they died, that's one thing, but you can't just leave them off in the shadows.
I don't see the Tobias/Melissa thing, I really don't. To me it just doesn't work. But Tobias' sadness/loneliness over Rachel seems to be the perfect reason for him to want to wander space, searching for answers.
As for Cassie, there are so many things possible with her character. Her past relationship with Jake could cause a lot of tension between the two whenever they are together. Jake and Cassie will always love each other no matter what they say, so there is a lot of opportunity there. Plus, if Cassie is still in politics, decisions or policies that she makes can affect her friends in the field, therefore further complicating relationships and possibly clouding her own judgement when trying to be a good politician.
Sorry about this being such a long post but you wanted feedback so there it is. I think your idea needs some serious rethinks and overhauls to make it work. But that's what writing is, editing and revising. I don't think it was all that great of an idea, but that's just me.
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And by the way, the only question you asked in your original post, was about the title, (which I did not care for) not about your story idea.
(chuckles) I don't even know how to reply to this...
First of all, leaving out the Rachel battle except for little hints can't happen. Even if it doesn't happen right away, you have to get deep into it because the fans need and want to know what happened.
Sure they need to know, Hence all the hints. I have too much respect for readers to have everything spelled out for them and to slow down the narrative for constant flashback and exposition.
Like someone else, said, I'm not sure that I can see a mixed Andalite/Human fleet. It seems awkward. Obviously there would be a lot of contact between the two races and that sort of thing which adds to the story, but it seems too soon for things to have become so integrated. Maybe just Ax and one or two other Andalites with the Human ship and vice versa.
That's the thing. I'm taking a page from Enterprise and making the alliance an uneasy, reluctant and very awkward thing for both races. Much of the drama will be how Andalite and human values clash. Also, I was planning on just having Ax and Estrid join the team with the humans Jake, Marco, Santorelli and Jeanne Gerard.
Next, you can't cut out Tobias and/or Cassie. You just can't. Regardless of whether or not you like them, they have to be included because they are a central part of the story and have huge relationships with the other characters. It would be like when they made the Superman movie, if the screenplay writer didn't like Lois Lane, so he just didn't include her. Doesn't work. You take the whole work, or none of it. If you want to write them out somehow, like if they died, that's one thing, but you can't just leave them off in the shadows.
They're the central characters of Animorophs but not the Star Wolf Chronicles. It's a completely new and different story with new heroes joining the fight. Also, I truly believe Cassie would have no interest in such a fight and be bsuy wiuth Earth conservation efforts while Tobias would have also hated the fight and want to make a new life for himself on Earth.
But Tobias' sadness/loneliness over Rachel seems to be the perfect reason for him to want to wander space, searching for answers.
It explains why he joined the rescue mission but I'm going to explain that his experiences with saving Ax made him realize that life continues and he can't feel sorry for himself forever. Also, it'd just look stupid seeing a hawk in a spaceship.
As for Cassie, there are so many things possible with her character. Her past relationship with Jake could cause a lot of tension between the two whenever they are together. Jake and Cassie will always love each other no matter what they say, so there is a lot of opportunity there. Plus, if Cassie is still in politics, decisions or policies that she makes can affect her friends in the field, therefore further complicating relationships and possibly clouding her own judgement when trying to be a good politician.
I don't believe that Jake and Cassie will love each other forever. Like I said above, Cassie would be too tired of teh fight to join another battle. And this a space adventure series so where would politics fit?
Cassie has served her purpose. Let her go.
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Cassie could possibly fit in as the voice of reason when it comes to moral issues faced on the journey. Perhaps she would be tired of the fight, but I think she might want to go along, exploring new worlds and encountering new and amazing forms of life sounds like Cassie's kind of thing. Plus she still has feelings for Jake and might want to go to help support him.
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Is there a way you could try to write a chapter of this so we see a bit more of where your going?
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Dude. I'm making all this up as a I go along
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Dude. I'm making all this up as a I go along
Dude. That's what I do when I write things. I can still manage to at least write a first chapter or whatever of something.
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I've always written my poetry in one shot, doing any necessary edits a few hours (or even days) later.
I recommend that you write as much as you can in a single go, then take a break, eat something, take a nap, and go back over it. You'll look at your own work with fresh eyes, and you'll catch things that you've missed.
I'm confident that you can do very well with this, if you really commit to it. :D
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Cassie could possibly fit in as the voice of reason when it comes to moral issues faced on the journey.
Ha! I think we're all a bit tired of hearing that... But seriously, good point concerning why she would go along.
And no one stays depressed forever (no, not even Tobias). He'd eventually get over Rachel so why not Melissa? You could justify both being on the fleet in some way and it would only seem natural that they would bond over their losses (I must insist that Melissa loses something other than just Rachel - i.e. her father or somebody).
Judging by the response, this actually might be a feasible spinoff that people would read (grudgingly or not).
But you can't totally alienate fans by marginalizing Cassie and Tobias. There is no way they would sit it out. (I also liked the comments about the tension possibilities between Cassie and Jake - lots to do there)
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They'd be 24-26 and what's wrong with that?
Same reason said previously. The whole point of the series was that they were TEENAGERS, not ADULTS. Doesn't matter if their in their 20's or 30's it still changes it.
As far as the statement about Cassie serving her purpose, whether or not that is true she was a main character. She can't completely drop out of the plot because you'll constantly have people asking "What happened to her?" Admittedly she wouldn't want to be involved, but sometimes you do something out of necessity rather than out of wanting to. If anything they're still her friends and the bonds they formed during the first war won't just vanish. And, like said, it brings up a lot of drama from her relationship with Jake which isn't a bad thing in a book.
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Same reason said previously. The whole point of the series was that they were TEENAGERS, not ADULTS. Doesn't matter if their in their 20's or 30's it still changes it.
They'd still have the scars of their younger years as a backdrop.
Admittedly she wouldn't want to be involved, but sometimes you do something out of necessity rather than out of wanting to. If anything they're still her friends and the bonds they formed during the first war won't just vanish. And, like said, it brings up a lot of drama from her relationship with Jake which isn't a bad thing in a book.
I completely agree. There's too much potential there to waste.
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Cassie could possibly fit in as the voice of reason when it comes to moral issues faced on the journey.
I halfway agree with you there but there would be many new characters that could be the voice of reason. For Tobias fans (like me) there could be a character very much like Tobias. For Rachel fans there could be a character very much like Rachel. There would be endless possibilities with this. Also I have a few suggestions for the title:
Spacemorphs
Animorphs in Space (This sounds WAY too cheesy)
Animorphs II
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Animorphs: The Next Generation
Animorphs and the Human/Andalite Federation
Animorphs vs the Universe
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Animorphs in Space (This sounds WAY too cheesy)
reminds me of power rangers in space...